Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm thinking I might do this because although I'm completely comfortable with 
mopjave I don't want to get too far behind and my Mac mini is a little older.

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Yes you still can. I would go to Safari, and do a search on something like “ 
> download Mac OS Catalina”. That’s what I did the other day, and I got a 
> direct link to the App Store. I went crazy for about half an hour trying to 
> find it in the App Store itself.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> can you upgrade to Catalina even after Big Sur has come out? I'm having 
>> second thoughts about going up to Big Sur from Mojave.
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brad is right, that’s exactly what I needed to do for both my Mac mini and 
>>> MacBook Air because I was, literally, a day late and a dollar short, as the 
>>> saying goes. I went to do the upgrade the first day High Sierra became 
>>> available. The way I found the installer was not to go to the App Store,  
>>> because finding it that way wasn’t coming easy for me. What I did was to  
>>> do a Google or whatever search engine you use in Safari to look for it, and 
>>> search for something like “download Mac OS Catalina”. You should get a 
>>> direct link to the apps store where the installer is located. 
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
 search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
 installer.
 Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS 
 by doing the same thing.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to 
 Big Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds 
 manageable.  But I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I 
 feel like my tech universe is melting down around me, due to this, and 
 some braille display issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not 
 upgrade just now if I can get my Mac back on track.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail 
> content. There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column 
> view in the finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the 
> VO key with the arrow keys.
> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification 
> will be compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first 
> click on them.
> Jonathan
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
>> because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
>> to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or 
>> just skip it and go to the new OS?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Pete De Vasto]

Yes you still can. I would go to Safari, and do a search on something like “ 
download Mac OS Catalina”. That’s what I did the other day, and I got a direct 
link to the App Store. I went crazy for about half an hour trying to find it in 
the App Store itself.

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> can you upgrade to Catalina even after Big Sur has come out? I'm having 
> second thoughts about going up to Big Sur from Mojave.
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> Brad is right, that’s exactly what I needed to do for both my Mac mini and 
>> MacBook Air because I was, literally, a day late and a dollar short, as the 
>> saying goes. I went to do the upgrade the first day High Sierra became 
>> available. The way I found the installer was not to go to the App Store,  
>> because finding it that way wasn’t coming easy for me. What I did was to  do 
>> a Google or whatever search engine you use in Safari to look for it, and 
>> search for something like “download Mac OS Catalina”. You should get a 
>> direct link to the apps store where the installer is located. 
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
>>> search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
>>> installer.
>>> Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS 
>>> by doing the same thing.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to 
>>> Big Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds 
>>> manageable.  But I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I 
>>> feel like my tech universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some 
>>> braille display issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade 
>>> just now if I can get my Mac back on track.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
 couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail 
 content. There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view 
 in the finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key 
 with the arrow keys.
 The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
 widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will 
 be compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click 
 on them.
 Jonathan
   
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
> 
> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
> because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
> to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
> skip it and go to the new OS?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Lorie McCloud]

can you upgrade to Catalina even after Big Sur has come out? I'm having second 
thoughts about going up to Big Sur from Mojave.

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Brad is right, that’s exactly what I needed to do for both my Mac mini and 
> MacBook Air because I was, literally, a day late and a dollar short, as the 
> saying goes. I went to do the upgrade the first day High Sierra became 
> available. The way I found the installer was not to go to the App Store,  
> because finding it that way wasn’t coming easy for me. What I did was to  do 
> a Google or whatever search engine you use in Safari to look for it, and 
> search for something like “download Mac OS Catalina”. You should get a direct 
> link to the apps store where the installer is located. 
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
>> search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
>> installer.
>> Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS by 
>> doing the same thing.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to 
>> Big Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds manageable. 
>>  But I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I feel like my 
>> tech universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some braille 
>> display issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade just now if 
>> I can get my Mac back on track.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
>>> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail 
>>> content. There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view 
>>> in the finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key 
>>> with the arrow keys.
>>> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
>>> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will 
>>> be compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click 
>>> on them.
>>> Jonathan
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
 MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
 
 I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
 because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
 to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
 question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
 skip it and go to the new OS?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Pete De Vasto]

Brad is right, that’s exactly what I needed to do for both my Mac mini and 
MacBook Air because I was, literally, a day late and a dollar short, as the 
saying goes. I went to do the upgrade the first day High Sierra became 
available. The way I found the installer was not to go to the App Store,  
because finding it that way wasn’t coming easy for me. What I did was to  do a 
Google or whatever search engine you use in Safari to look for it, and search 
for something like “download Mac OS Catalina”. You should get a direct link to 
the apps store where the installer is located. 

Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
> search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
> installer.
> Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS by 
> doing the same thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to Big 
> Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds manageable.  But 
> I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I feel like my tech 
> universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some braille display 
> issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade just now if I can get 
> my Mac back on track.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
>> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail 
>> content. There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view 
>> in the finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key 
>> with the arrow keys.
>> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
>> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will 
>> be compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click 
>> on them.
>> Jonathan
>>   
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>> 
>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh,I didn't know that. I thought once a new OS became available, the older OS 
was removed.  Thanks, Brad.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 14, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
> search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
> installer.
> Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS by 
> doing the same thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to Big 
> Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds manageable.  But 
> I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I feel like my tech 
> universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some braille display 
> issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade just now if I can get 
> my Mac back on track.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
>> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail 
>> content. There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view 
>> in the finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key 
>> with the arrow keys.
>> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
>> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will 
>> be compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click 
>> on them.
>> Jonathan
>>   
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>> 
>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Brad Snyder]

You can still upgrade to Catalina. You need to go to the Mac App Store and 
search for macOS Catalina. You should be able to find the most recent OS 
installer.
Installers can also be found for the last several versions of the Mack OS by 
doing the same thing.

- Brad -

On Nov 14, 2020, at 15:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to Big 
Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds manageable.  But 
I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I feel like my tech 
universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some braille display 
issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade just now if I can get 
my Mac back on track.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail content. 
> There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view in the 
> finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key with the 
> arrow keys.
> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will be 
> compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click on 
> them.
> Jonathan
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, Catalina is no longer an option, so if I do upgrade, it will be to Big 
Sur. I've seen the comments re columnn view, and that sounds manageable.  But 
I'm first going to see if I can just fix this problem. I feel like my tech 
universe is melting down around me, due to this, and some braille display 
issues that I'm dealing with, so I'd rather not upgrade just now if I can get 
my Mac back on track.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
> couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail content. 
> There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view in the 
> finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key with the 
> arrow keys.
> The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / 
> widgets Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will be 
> compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click on 
> them.
> Jonathan
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Jonathan Cohn]

A month ago, I would have told you not to upgrade. Right now, there are a 
couple of unlabeled buttons in mail between the headers and the mail content. 
There is also an issue with arrow keys not working in column view in the 
finder. This second issue can be worked around by using the VO key with the 
arrow keys.
The other think I have to get used to is the new notification center / widgets 
Just like on the iPhone lock screen, often times notification will be 
compressed to only the latest one  and then expand when you first click on them.
Jonathan
  
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 10, 2020, at 08:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
> 
> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to Catalina, 
> I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my question: how 
> stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just skip it and go to 
> the new OS?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Brad Snyder]

As I stated in my earlier post, Catalina has been out for a year, and is really 
quite stable for the most part.
For anyone not already on Catalina, I would suggest upgrading to Catalina, and 
then give it awhile before upgrading to Big Sur.  This way you will give the 
bug-hunters awhile to discover any issues, and Apple an opportunity to respond 
with a fix before you jump in head first.
This is what I always do when a new version of the OS is released.  I always 
wait until the point 1 or point 2 version before taking the jump on my primary 
Mac.

- Brad -


On Nov 11, 2020, at 09:14, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Adding to this thread…I just learned that TurboTax for 2020 is the last year 
they will make the program useable on Mojave or older. Tax year 2021 version 
requires Catalina or higher to work. So there’s the opposite concern over 
changing or not changing.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 12:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support 
> for 32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big 
> Sur, I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the 
> plunge.
> As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, 
> Voiceover doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be 
> some minor annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. 
> Other reasons why you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the 
> new security patches that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting 
> one of the new silicon based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. 
> So you should really get familiarized with the new features and changes 
> before you get your new Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
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> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
>>  • MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>  • Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac Pro.
>>  • Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>> 
>> Cheers Trevor
>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I 
>>> so far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
 I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want 
 to lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
 
 Lorie
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
> present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
> good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
> not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
> their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
> words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
> can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
> Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by 
> the bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that 
> very specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
> operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
> apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
> the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
> don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
> effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
> text. Thank you very much for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general 

Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Dave Carlson]

Adding to this thread…I just learned that TurboTax for 2020 is the last year 
they will make the program useable on Mojave or older. Tax year 2021 version 
requires Catalina or higher to work. So there’s the opposite concern over 
changing or not changing.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 12:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support 
> for 32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big 
> Sur, I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the 
> plunge.
> As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, 
> Voiceover doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be 
> some minor annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. 
> Other reasons why you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the 
> new security patches that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting 
> one of the new silicon based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. 
> So you should really get familiarized with the new features and changes 
> before you get your new Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
>>  • MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>  • Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac Pro.
>>  • Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>> 
>> Cheers Trevor
>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I 
>>> so far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
 I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want 
 to lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
 
 Lorie
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
> present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
> good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
> not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
> their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
> words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
> can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
> Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by 
> the bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that 
> very specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
> operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
> apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
> the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
> don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
> effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
> text. Thank you very much for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is 
>> to consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might 
>> be done with greater ease?
>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
>> then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
>> next os might bring you more? then wait.
>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>> best,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd 
>>> see what others 

Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you, Shawn. This is exactly what I wanted to know. I remember that when 
Catalina first came out, there were a lot of issues. That was my original 
reason for delaying the upgrade. So, if Big Sur is stable, I think I’ll just 
skip Catalina altogether.
Cheers,
Donna
 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:02 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support 
> for 32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big 
> Sur, I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the 
> plunge.
> As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, 
> Voiceover doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be 
> some minor annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. 
> Other reasons why you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the 
> new security patches that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting 
> one of the new silicon based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. 
> So you should really get familiarized with the new features and changes 
> before you get your new Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
>>> MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
>>> MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
>>> MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>> Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
>>> iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
>>> iMac Pro.
>>> Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>> 
>>> Cheers Trevor
>>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I 
>>> so far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
 I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want 
 to lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
 
 Lorie
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
> present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
> good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
> not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
> their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
> words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
> can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
> Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by 
> the bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that 
> very specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
> operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
> apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
> the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
> don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
> effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
> text. Thank you very much for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is 
>> to consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might 
>> be done with greater ease?
>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
>> then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
>> next os might bring you more? then wait.
>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>> best,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd 
>>> see what others think.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 

Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support for 
32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big Sur, 
I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the plunge.
As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, Voiceover 
doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be some minor 
annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. Other reasons why 
you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the new security patches 
that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting one of the new silicon 
based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. So you should really get 
familiarized with the new features and changes before you get your new Mac.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
your contact information and I'll happily add you.

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   
> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
> MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
> MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
> MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
> Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
> iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
> iMac Pro.
> Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
> 
> Cheers Trevor
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I so 
>> far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
>>> I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to 
>>> lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
>>> 
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines >>> > wrote:
 
 I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
 it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
 present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
 good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
 not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
 their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
 words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
 can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
 Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by the 
 bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that very 
 specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
 operating system.
 
 Sincerely Maurice Mines.
 Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
 apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
 the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
 don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
 effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
 text. Thank you very much for reading this.
 
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
> done with greater ease?
> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
> then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
> next os might bring you more? then wait.
> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
> best,
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd 
>> see what others think.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via 

Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['user' via MacVisionaries]

Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
iMac Pro.
Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.

Cheers Trevor

> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I so 
> far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
>> I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to 
>> lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
>> 
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
>>> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to present, 
>>> send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a good idea at 
>>> all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should not remember 
>>> the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all their operating 
>>> systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other words the bad guys 
>>> look for is running old operating system so that they can fine with 
>>> compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, Meaning current 
>>> operating systems are much harder to be compromised by the bad guys. In 
>>> other words long story short I always upgrade. For that very specific 
>>> reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current operating system.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using apples 
>>> built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in the above 
>>> text. If there's something that I've written above that you don't 
>>> understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every effort 
>>> to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above text. Thank 
>>> you very much for reading this.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
 consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
 done with greater ease?
 If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
 then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
 next os might bring you more? then wait.
 Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
 best,
 Kare
 
 
 
 On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 
> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
> what others think.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to 
>> it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
>> because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
>> to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or 
>> just skip it and go to the new OS?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Christina]

I'm still on Mojave because of the Overdrive app. I probably should upgrade, 
but I keep holding back because I'll have to learn windows if I want to use the 
Overdrive app.

Christina

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> I will be very interested in your findings as well if/when you do in fact 
> make the move. I’m running Mojave, and haven’t upgraded mostly because I was 
> concerned about the fact that anything higher doesn’t support 32-bit apps, 
> and I didn’t want to bother figuring out exactly what, if anything, I was 
> gonna lose by upgrading.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 6:12 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
>> what others think.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>> 
>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Pete De Vasto]

Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in what 
others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I so far can 
do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work situation 
where I would depend on it more than I am now.

Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
> I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to 
> lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
>> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to present, 
>> send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a good idea at 
>> all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should not remember the 
>> bad guys out there are looking for machines with all their operating systems 
>> a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other words the bad guys look for 
>> is running old operating system so that they can fine with compromise them. 
>> Machines running new operating system's, Meaning current operating systems 
>> are much harder to be compromised by the bad guys. In other words long story 
>> short I always upgrade. For that very specific reason. Ausel accessibility 
>> chance to follow the current operating system.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using apples 
>> built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in the above 
>> text. If there's something that I've written above that you don't 
>> understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every effort 
>> to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above text. Thank 
>> you very much for reading this.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
>>> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
>>> done with greater ease?
>>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, then 
>>>  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the next os 
>>> might bring you more? then wait.
>>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>>> best,
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
 what others think.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Catalina is extremely stable.
> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
> 
> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
> because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
> to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
> skip it and go to the new OS?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Phil Halton]

I’m running Catalina on a 2013 MacBook Air with no problems whatsoever.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 10, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
> I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to 
> lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
>> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to present, 
>> send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a good idea at 
>> all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should not remember the 
>> bad guys out there are looking for machines with all their operating systems 
>> a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other words the bad guys look for 
>> is running old operating system so that they can fine with compromise them. 
>> Machines running new operating system's, Meaning current operating systems 
>> are much harder to be compromised by the bad guys. In other words long story 
>> short I always upgrade. For that very specific reason. Ausel accessibility 
>> chance to follow the current operating system.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using apples 
>> built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in the above 
>> text. If there's something that I've written above that you don't 
>> understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every effort 
>> to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above text. Thank 
>> you very much for reading this.
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
>>> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
>>> done with greater ease?
>>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, then 
>>>  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the next os 
>>> might bring you more? then wait.
>>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>>> best,
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
 what others think.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Catalina is extremely stable.
> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
> 
> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
> because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
> to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
> skip it and go to the new OS?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Lorie McCloud]

what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? I'm 
currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to lag too 
far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.

Lorie

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware it's 
> older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to present, send 
> certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a good idea at all 
> times unless there's some extreme reason why you should not remember the bad 
> guys out there are looking for machines with all their operating systems 
> a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other words the bad guys look for is 
> running old operating system so that they can fine with compromise them. 
> Machines running new operating system's, Meaning current operating systems 
> are much harder to be compromised by the bad guys. In other words long story 
> short I always upgrade. For that very specific reason. Ausel accessibility 
> chance to follow the current operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using apples 
> built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in the above 
> text. If there's something that I've written above that you don't understand, 
> please ask me what my original intent was? I make every effort to clear up 
> any misunderstandings that may arise from the above text. Thank you very much 
> for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
>> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
>> done with greater ease?
>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, then  
>> moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the next os 
>> might bring you more? then wait.
>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>> best,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
>>> what others think.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Catalina is extremely stable.
 I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
 Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
 MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
 
 I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
 because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
 to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
 question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
 skip it and go to the new OS?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
 
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['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Maurice.
Donna


> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware it's 
> older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to present, send 
> certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a good idea at all 
> times unless there's some extreme reason why you should not remember the bad 
> guys out there are looking for machines with all their operating systems 
> a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other words the bad guys look for is 
> running old operating system so that they can fine with compromise them. 
> Machines running new operating system's, Meaning current operating systems 
> are much harder to be compromised by the bad guys. In other words long story 
> short I always upgrade. For that very specific reason. Ausel accessibility 
> chance to follow the current operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using apples 
> built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in the above 
> text. If there's something that I've written above that you don't understand, 
> please ask me what my original intent was? I make every effort to clear up 
> any misunderstandings that may arise from the above text. Thank you very much 
> for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
>> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
>> done with greater ease?
>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, then  
>> moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the next os 
>> might bring you more? then wait.
>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>> best,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
>>> what others think.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Catalina is extremely stable.
 I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
 Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
 MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
 
 I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part 
 because work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade 
 to Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
 question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
 skip it and go to the new OS?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[maurice Mines]

I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware it's 
older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to present, send 
certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a good idea at all times 
unless there's some extreme reason why you should not remember the bad guys out 
there are looking for machines with all their operating systems a.k.a. machines 
point security holes. In other words the bad guys look for is running old 
operating system so that they can fine with compromise them. Machines running 
new operating system's, Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be 
compromised by the bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. 
For that very specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
operating system.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be done 
> with greater ease?
> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, then  
> moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the next os 
> might bring you more? then wait.
> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
> best,
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
>> what others think.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>> 
>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Donna,
Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
done with greater ease?
If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
next os might bring you more? then wait.

Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
best,
Kare



On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see what 
others think.
Cheers,
Donna



On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

Catalina is extremely stable.
I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big Sur. 
Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.

- Brad -

On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new MacOS, 
without violating disclosure, of course.

I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to Catalina, 
I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my question: how stable 
is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just skip it and go to the new 
OS?
TIA,
Donna


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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks. I do use my Mac for work, but often without braille.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 10, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna!
> I think you should upgrade to Big Sur if you can.
> The operating system is pretty stable and there are some braille issues in 
> safari with Catalina.
> But that depends on how much you need your Mac for work.
> But it should work right out of the box when its released.
> /A
> 
>> 10 nov. 2020 kl. 14:24 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
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>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Donna!
I think you should upgrade to Big Sur if you can.
The operating system is pretty stable and there are some braille issues in 
safari with Catalina.
But that depends on how much you need your Mac for work.
But it should work right out of the box when its released.
 /A

> 10 nov. 2020 kl. 14:24 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
> 
> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to Catalina, 
> I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my question: how 
> stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just skip it and go to 
> the new OS?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Pete, 

Given the Apple event today, I'm probably going to download Catalina this 
morning, since it seems likely that it will be disappearing immanently. I'll 
keep you posted.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> I will be very interested in your findings as well if/when you do in fact 
> make the move. I’m running Mojave, and haven’t upgraded mostly because I was 
> concerned about the fact that anything higher doesn’t support 32-bit apps, 
> and I didn’t want to bother figuring out exactly what, if anything, I was 
> gonna lose by upgrading.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 6:12 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
>> what others think.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>>> 
>>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Pete De Vasto]

Donna,

I will be very interested in your findings as well if/when you do in fact make 
the move. I’m running Mojave, and haven’t upgraded mostly because I was 
concerned about the fact that anything higher doesn’t support 32-bit apps, and 
I didn’t want to bother figuring out exactly what, if anything, I was gonna 
lose by upgrading.

Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 6:12 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see 
> what others think.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big Sur. 
>> Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
>> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
>> 
>> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
>> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to 
>> Catalina, I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my 
>> question: how stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just 
>> skip it and go to the new OS?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd see what 
others think.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Catalina is extremely stable.
> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big Sur. 
> Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new 
> MacOS, without violating disclosure, of course.
> 
> I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
> work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to Catalina, 
> I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my question: how 
> stable is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just skip it and go to 
> the new OS?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Brad Snyder]

Catalina is extremely stable.
I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big Sur. 
Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to it.

- Brad -

On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

I would love to hear from any of you who are running the Beta of the new MacOS, 
without violating disclosure, of course.

I’m still running High Sierra, in part out of laziness, and in part because 
work is crazy busy. It’s occured to me that if I want to upgrade to Catalina, 
I’d better get on it before the new OS is released. So my question: how stable 
is the new OS? Should I upgrade to Catalina, or just skip it and go to the new 
OS?
TIA,
Donna


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