Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Why is this?
Can you talk to the main apple team instead?
I don’t understand why the french translators wont talk to the blind community.
That is very very bad.
/A

> 11 dec. 2017 kl. 15:59 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello Anders,
> 
> It seems to happen with just one voice installed and only French set as a 
> language. I don’t often use our French-language computer, except to answer 
> questions and when I know I’m going to have to teach something specific. My 
> own MacBook Air runs in English with a French voice installed, and I’m still 
> running Sierra as I don’t like the voice switching in High Sierra.
> As for the bad localisation into French, I assume that each country’s 
> subsidiary checks the localisation for their particular language and, 
> although for sighted people, the French localisation is fine, VoiceOver has 
> been acquiring more and more translation errors with each new level of the OS 
> since the betas became public.
> I know that Apple France won’t talk to any organisation working with 
> visually-impaired users of Apple products as many of us have tried to 
> communicate with them over the years.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne!
>> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
>> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
>> I try to understand what’s going on really.
>> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for 
>> VoiceOver on the mac.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another 
>>> language other than English.
>>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver 
>>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a 
>>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in 
>>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending 
>>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its 
>>> localisation?
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Oriol Gómez]

i reportedthis to Apple during the beta but... it didn't make it into
the final release I guess. report it as well please

On 12/11/17, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Oriol,
>
> Thank you for this. So it would seem to be a bug in High Sierra for
> languages other than English but something of a random one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
>> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:32, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> This happened to me on high sierra 13.2 eta. not sure if it happens in
>> final version because I clean installed the system completely in
>> English. I don't use French localization but Spanish.
>>
>> Hth.
>>
>> On 12/11/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi Anne!
>>> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
>>> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts
>>> installed?
>>> I try to understand what’s going on really.
>>> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for
>>> VoiceOver on the mac.
>>> /A
>>>
 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :

 Hello everyone,

 This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another
 language other than English.
 Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with
 VoiceOver
 switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a
 perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
 Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in
 another language, or is it just another example of Apple France
 pretending
 that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its
 localisation?
 Cheers,

 Anne



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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Oriol,

Thank you for this. So it would seem to be a bug in High Sierra for languages 
other than English but something of a random one.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:32, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> This happened to me on high sierra 13.2 eta. not sure if it happens in
> final version because I clean installed the system completely in
> English. I don't use French localization but Spanish.
> 
> Hth.
> 
> On 12/11/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> Hi Anne!
>> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
>> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
>> I try to understand what’s going on really.
>> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for
>> VoiceOver on the mac.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another
>>> language other than English.
>>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver
>>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a
>>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in
>>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending
>>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its
>>> localisation?
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Anders,

It seems to happen with just one voice installed and only French set as a 
language. I don’t often use our French-language computer, except to answer 
questions and when I know I’m going to have to teach something specific. My own 
MacBook Air runs in English with a French voice installed, and I’m still 
running Sierra as I don’t like the voice switching in High Sierra.
As for the bad localisation into French, I assume that each country’s 
subsidiary checks the localisation for their particular language and, although 
for sighted people, the French localisation is fine, VoiceOver has been 
acquiring more and more translation errors with each new level of the OS since 
the betas became public.
I know that Apple France won’t talk to any organisation working with 
visually-impaired users of Apple products as many of us have tried to 
communicate with them over the years.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 11 Dec 2017, at 15:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne!
> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
> I try to understand what’s going on really.
> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for 
> VoiceOver on the mac.
> /A
> 
>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another 
>> language other than English.
>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver 
>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a 
>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in 
>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending 
>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its 
>> localisation?
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Oriol Gómez]

Hi
This happened to me on high sierra 13.2 eta. not sure if it happens in
final version because I clean installed the system completely in
English. I don't use French localization but Spanish.

Hth.

On 12/11/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi Anne!
> I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
> Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
> I try to understand what’s going on really.
> Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for
> VoiceOver on the mac.
> /A
>
>> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another
>> language other than English.
>> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver
>> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a
>> perfectly good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
>> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in
>> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending
>> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its
>> localisation?
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
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Re: Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Anne!
I have not seen this issue in Hi Sierra with swedish localization.
Does it happens randomly and is it with multiple or just one tts installed?
I try to understand what’s going on really.
Its  strange that apple wont bother with the french localization for VoiceOver 
on the mac.
/A

> 9 dec. 2017 kl. 18:57 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another 
> language other than English.
> Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver 
> switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a perfectly 
> good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
> Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in 
> another language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending 
> that VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its 
> localisation?
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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