Re: VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I’m also having the same experience.


> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:41 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Mine is an M1 MBP with TouchBar as well.  And, no,I did not accidentally 
> touch the TouchBar either.  Curiouser ad curiouser.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 11:37, Brian Hansen > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m running the latest MacOS, and it’s doing the same thing to me. I haven’t 
>> found a pattern to it as of yet, but it seems to be taking place when I 
>> delete a mail message after reading it.
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee 
>>> that I did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and 
>>> I had just hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle 
>>> finger.  All other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also 
>>> did some testing yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the 
>>> Trackpad purposely with my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the 
>>> behaviour seems to do.
>>> 
>>> Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
>>> happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
 Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
 /A
 
> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler  >:
> 
> I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
> touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Correction to my shortcuts:
>> 
>> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right 
>> arrows.  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus 
>> location within the Music window is not as picky.
>> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the 
>> above.  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
>>> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
>>> the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  
>>> Often, VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
>>> 
>>> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
>>> 
>>> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns 
>>> that are created easier to navigate in/through.
>>> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last 
>>> item in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
>>> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
>>> 
>>> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
>>> these are not commonly found in menus.
>>> 
>>> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
>>> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
>>> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
>>> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish 
>>> to play.
>>> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to 
>>> rewind within.
>>> 
>>> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are 
>>> simply built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved 
>>> out of the music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of 
>>> the Music app screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring 
>>> focus close to somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start 
>>> working again.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> 

Re: VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

['Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries]

I may one day have a newer Mac without a Touch Bar. But as long as I have it I 
love using the Touch Bar. I will miss it when it is gone. I really don’t think 
that is causing any focus issues.
Merv


> On Feb 4, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Kliph  wrote:
> 
> I had this issue before the last beta cycle, but I can say, since 12.3 I 
> haven’t had this issue anymore.  BTW, I don’t use a trackpad or Touch Bar.
> 
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>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:37 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This has started happening to me on my M1 MBP ever since MonteRay. I don’t 
>> even have the track pad enabled because I do not generally use it. I like 
>> the Touch Bar and use it often but have never made a practice of using the 
>> track pad. I also never had this focus issue before MonteRay.
>> I just didn’t bother chiming in because experience has taught me that 
>> opinions will vary on certain topics and I am not going to change anyone’s 
>> mind with my experience.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 1:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee 
>>> that I did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and 
>>> I had just hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle 
>>> finger.  All other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also 
>>> did some testing yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the 
>>> Trackpad purposely with my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the 
>>> behaviour seems to do.
>>> 
>>> Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
>>> happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
 Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
 /A
 
> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler  >:
> 
> I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
> touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Correction to my shortcuts:
>> 
>> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right 
>> arrows.  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus 
>> location within the Music window is not as picky.
>> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the 
>> above.  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
>>> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
>>> the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  
>>> Often, VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
>>> 
>>> Some other hits for easier 

Re: VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

[Kliph]

I had this issue before the last beta cycle, but I can say, since 12.3 I 
haven’t had this issue anymore.  BTW, I don’t use a trackpad or Touch Bar.

Follow my Podcast 
 and 
Youtube  Channels where 
you will find a variety of great shows to listen to
My Christian Show 
,
 Sports Talk show 
, 
TechTalk show 
.
Also our MacOS12 
, And 
IOS15  
play lists with great step by step tutorials
You can always Follow us on Twitter  or email 
us  with topic ideas that you want to 
hear
Follow the show you like, or the entire channel 
  to 
be entertained on demand!

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:37 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This has started happening to me on my M1 MBP ever since MonteRay. I don’t 
> even have the track pad enabled because I do not generally use it. I like the 
> Touch Bar and use it often but have never made a practice of using the track 
> pad. I also never had this focus issue before MonteRay.
> I just didn’t bother chiming in because experience has taught me that 
> opinions will vary on certain topics and I am not going to change anyone’s 
> mind with my experience.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 1:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee 
>> that I did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and 
>> I had just hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle 
>> finger.  All other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also 
>> did some testing yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the 
>> Trackpad purposely with my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the 
>> behaviour seems to do.
>> 
>> Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
>> happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
>>> Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
>>> /A
>>> 
 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler >>> >:
 
 I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
 touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Correction to my shortcuts:
> 
> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right 
> arrows.  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus 
> location within the Music window is not as picky.
> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the 
> above.  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
>> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
>> the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  
>> Often, VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
>> 
>> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
>> 
>> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns 
>> that are created easier to navigate in/through.
>> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last 
>> item in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
>> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
>> 
>> Know that there’s tons of keyboard 

Re: VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Mine is an M1 MBP with TouchBar as well.  And, no,I did not accidentally touch 
the TouchBar either.  Curiouser ad curiouser.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 11:37, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> I’m running the latest MacOS, and it’s doing the same thing to me. I haven’t 
> found a pattern to it as of yet, but it seems to be taking place when I 
> delete a mail message after reading it.
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee 
>> that I did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and 
>> I had just hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle 
>> finger.  All other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also 
>> did some testing yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the 
>> Trackpad purposely with my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the 
>> behaviour seems to do.
>> 
>> Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
>> happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
>>> Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
>>> /A
>>> 
 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler >>> >:
 
 I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
 touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Correction to my shortcuts:
> 
> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right 
> arrows.  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus 
> location within the Music window is not as picky.
> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the 
> above.  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
>> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
>> the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  
>> Often, VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
>> 
>> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
>> 
>> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns 
>> that are created easier to navigate in/through.
>> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last 
>> item in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
>> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
>> 
>> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
>> these are not commonly found in menus.
>> 
>> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
>> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
>> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
>> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish 
>> to play.
>> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to 
>> rewind within.
>> 
>> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are 
>> simply built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved 
>> out of the music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of 
>> the Music app screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring 
>> focus close to somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start 
>> working again.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In regards to the  

Re: VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

[Brian Hansen]

I’m running the latest MacOS, and it’s doing the same thing to me. I haven’t 
found a pattern to it as of yet, but it seems to be taking place when I delete 
a mail message after reading it.

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee that 
> I did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and I had 
> just hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle finger.  
> All other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also did some 
> testing yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the Trackpad 
> purposely with my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the behaviour 
> seems to do.
> 
> Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
> happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
>> Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler >> >:
>>> 
>>> I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
>>> touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Correction to my shortcuts:
 
 •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right 
 arrows.  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus 
 location within the Music window is not as picky.
 • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the 
 above.  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
> the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, 
> VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
> 
> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
> 
> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns 
> that are created easier to navigate in/through.
> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item 
> in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
> 
> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
> these are not commonly found in menus.
> 
> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to 
> play.
> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to 
> rewind within.
> 
> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are 
> simply built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out 
> of the music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the 
> Music app screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus 
> close to somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start working 
> again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and 
>> interact, you can find the search field again and VO space which should 
>> let you write.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the 

Re: VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

['Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries]

This has started happening to me on my M1 MBP ever since MonteRay. I don’t even 
have the track pad enabled because I do not generally use it. I like the Touch 
Bar and use it often but have never made a practice of using the track pad. I 
also never had this focus issue before MonteRay.
I just didn’t bother chiming in because experience has taught me that opinions 
will vary on certain topics and I am not going to change anyone’s mind with my 
experience.
Merv


> On Feb 4, 2022, at 1:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee that 
> I did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and I had 
> just hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle finger.  
> All other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also did some 
> testing yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the Trackpad 
> purposely with my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the behaviour 
> seems to do.
> 
> Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
> happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
>> Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler >> >:
>>> 
>>> I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
>>> touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Correction to my shortcuts:
 
 •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right 
 arrows.  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus 
 location within the Music window is not as picky.
 • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the 
 above.  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
> the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, 
> VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
> 
> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
> 
> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns 
> that are created easier to navigate in/through.
> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item 
> in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
> 
> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
> these are not commonly found in menus.
> 
> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to 
> play.
> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to 
> rewind within.
> 
> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are 
> simply built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out 
> of the music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the 
> Music app screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus 
> close to somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start working 
> again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and 
>> interact, you can find the search field again and VO space which should 
>> let you write.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg >> 

VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee that I 
did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and I had just 
hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle finger.  All 
other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also did some testing 
yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the Trackpad purposely with 
my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the behaviour seems to do.

Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
> Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
> /A
> 
>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler > >:
>> 
>> I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
>> touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Correction to my shortcuts:
>>> 
>>> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right arrows. 
>>>  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus location within 
>>> the Music window is not as picky.
>>> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the above. 
>>>  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
 search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
 the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, 
 VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
 
 Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
 
 • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns 
 that are created easier to navigate in/through.
 • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item 
 in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
 • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
 
 Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
 these are not commonly found in menus.
 
 • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
 • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
 • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
 • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to 
 play.
 • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to 
 rewind within.
 
 Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are 
 simply built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out 
 of the music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the 
 Music app screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus 
 close to somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start working 
 again.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
> 
> In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and 
> interact, you can find the search field again and VO space which should 
> let you write.
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to 
>> the result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart 
>> it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen