Re: Where to use VO+Shift+J [Was, Re: What's a Menu Pop-up Link?]
Hi, just briefly added: To reach the area with the suggestions for correction you can also just press arrow down after hearing the blip sound. Anter chooses the suggested word. Press arrow up to leave that area and you are back in the text. All the best Jürgen Am 07.08.2011 um 01:54 schrieb Bryan Jones: Hello Teresa, I can try to answer your question regarding the use of VO+Shift+J to navigate pop-up items in Lion. First let me say that I'm still not sure I have this feature totally figured out myself, but hopefully this will make sense and will shed at least some light on the feature. To start with, here's the official one line definition from Apple's Lion VO quick start guide just in case you haven't seen it yet: begin quote Jump from the current location to any displayed input method or auto correction panel, and then jump back to the original location. end quote. Here's what I've found while trying to figure this feature out in more detail. I forget if you have n i-Device, but if you do you might recognize a small blip sound that is sometimes made in IOS when a popup list of spelling corrections is presented. Lion now has the ability to mimic that same behavior and the same sound when a misspelling is encountered. When you hear that sound, you can press VO+Shift+J and the VO cursor will move to the pop-up list of spelling choices where you can then use VO+left / right arrow to navigate the choices and VO will read them to you. While you are navigating that list, VO will speak the currently highlighted word, will tell you the number of possible choices in the list, and if you let the VO cursor sit on a highlighted word for a second it will spell the selection out loud. As an example, if I misspell the word the as ths I will hear the little blip sound and VO will announce six suggested corrections. If I then press VO+Shift+J VO will announce, the, suggested correction one of six, t-h-e. If I then proceed to VO-right arrow I will hear the same thing repeated for the other suggested words in the list: the, this, thus, these, and those. When I've highlighted the word I want to use, I can press Enter and it will replace the misspelled word. Now, here are a few things I still haven't figured out about this feature. 1. I'm not sure exactly what options need to be turned on or off for this to work in Lion, but I'm pretty sure the Correct Spelling Automatically feature needs to be turned on either globally or in the current application. For example, while I'm typing this message in Mail, the feature is working if I have Correct Spelling Automatically checked in Mail's Edit menu / Spelling and Grammar. However, if I uncheck that option the spelling popup and associated blip don't seem to appear. Note that I have correct spelling automatically unchecked in System Prefs / Language and Text / Text. 2. Sometimes the blip and popup will happen before I finish typing a word, as if it's acting as a sort of auto-complete feature. 3. Sometimes I can misspell a word and nothing happens, but if I left arrow back to the word I will then hear the blip and get the popup. It almost seems like I'm typing too fast for the spell checker to keep up, but I guarantee you I type slow enough for a turtle to easily keep up. grin. 4. I'm not sure if VO+Shift+J gives access to any other sort of popup. I haven't found any yet, but also haven't really looked around much. If you have any questions or thoughts about this, please email me off-list as I'm unsubscribing. HTH, Bryan On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Perhaps a related question: I notice that the keystroke VO-shift-J will go to pop-up item. I can't for the life of me find an example of a context in which to use this particular command. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
What's a Menu Pop-up Link?
Hi, all, Voiceover has changed some of its terminology with, the Lion release. What is a menu-pop-up link? I'm guessing it's a expandable menu on a webpage, but I'm not entirely sure. I found some examples on the Google Plus site. Perhaps a related question: I notice that the keystroke VO-shift-J will go to pop-up item. I can't for the life of me find an example of a context in which to use this particular command. Thanks, Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Where to use VO+Shift+J [Was, Re: What's a Menu Pop-up Link?]
Hello Teresa, I can try to answer your question regarding the use of VO+Shift+J to navigate pop-up items in Lion. First let me say that I'm still not sure I have this feature totally figured out myself, but hopefully this will make sense and will shed at least some light on the feature. To start with, here's the official one line definition from Apple's Lion VO quick start guide just in case you haven't seen it yet: begin quote Jump from the current location to any displayed input method or auto correction panel, and then jump back to the original location. end quote. Here's what I've found while trying to figure this feature out in more detail. I forget if you have n i-Device, but if you do you might recognize a small blip sound that is sometimes made in IOS when a popup list of spelling corrections is presented. Lion now has the ability to mimic that same behavior and the same sound when a misspelling is encountered. When you hear that sound, you can press VO+Shift+J and the VO cursor will move to the pop-up list of spelling choices where you can then use VO+left / right arrow to navigate the choices and VO will read them to you. While you are navigating that list, VO will speak the currently highlighted word, will tell you the number of possible choices in the list, and if you let the VO cursor sit on a highlighted word for a second it will spell the selection out loud. As an example, if I misspell the word the as ths I will hear the little blip sound and VO will announce six suggested corrections. If I then press VO+Shift+J VO will announce, the, suggested correction one of six, t-h-e. If I then proceed to VO-right arrow I will hear the same thing repeated for the other suggested words in the list: the, this, thus, these, and those. When I've highlighted the word I want to use, I can press Enter and it will replace the misspelled word. Now, here are a few things I still haven't figured out about this feature. 1. I'm not sure exactly what options need to be turned on or off for this to work in Lion, but I'm pretty sure the Correct Spelling Automatically feature needs to be turned on either globally or in the current application. For example, while I'm typing this message in Mail, the feature is working if I have Correct Spelling Automatically checked in Mail's Edit menu / Spelling and Grammar. However, if I uncheck that option the spelling popup and associated blip don't seem to appear. Note that I have correct spelling automatically unchecked in System Prefs / Language and Text / Text. 2. Sometimes the blip and popup will happen before I finish typing a word, as if it's acting as a sort of auto-complete feature. 3. Sometimes I can misspell a word and nothing happens, but if I left arrow back to the word I will then hear the blip and get the popup. It almost seems like I'm typing too fast for the spell checker to keep up, but I guarantee you I type slow enough for a turtle to easily keep up. grin. 4. I'm not sure if VO+Shift+J gives access to any other sort of popup. I haven't found any yet, but also haven't really looked around much. If you have any questions or thoughts about this, please email me off-list as I'm unsubscribing. HTH, Bryan On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Perhaps a related question: I notice that the keystroke VO-shift-J will go to pop-up item. I can't for the life of me find an example of a context in which to use this particular command. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
