subject:"system voice irritation"

Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-23 Thread jean parker

Hi Jonathan:

This sounds like something I would like to explore with my particular use case 
scenario. Perhaps for the specifics we should take it off line for now?
radiofore...@gmail.com

Thanks, Jean


> On 23 Dec 2020, at 8:34 am, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> My apologies for not answering you sooner. If all you want to do is switch to 
> a different application, that is very easy in VoiceOver. Just look at the 
> keyboard commander for left-option M start mail. If you need more specifics 
> then let me know. 
> A AppleScript can combine two or more actions in one script file, even to 
> different applications.
> So, we could tell applescript to quit, launch quicktime make it the frontmost 
> application and with about 4 lines of AppleScript, or JavaScript. 
> If you want something like this script, I am off work for the next week, and 
> would not mind writing it.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 12:02 AM jean parker  wrote:
> Jonathan:
> Would that turn on quicktime from anywhere? The problems isn’t really 
> starting play but navigating from zoom to the video player. If quick time or 
> whatever could be started from zoom that would make it possible to turn off 
> voice over thereby eliminating the possibility of the system voice 
> interfering with things. 
> VLC is a bit easier to manage. For whatever reason, the hot keys in Quicktime 
> have never worked correctly for me. 
> Jean
> 
> 
> > On 5 Dec 2020, at 7:05 pm, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> > 
> > For QuickTime, I am sure I could create an AppleScript that just tells 
> > quicktime to either toggle playing or start playing. I don't know if VLC 
> > accepts apple events, but at least you could create a automation that would 
> > tell VLC to open a file.
> > In terminal this would be something close to:
> > open -a vlc myMP3File.mp3 
> > Which could be encapsulated into a AppleScript or Automation with the "do 
> > shell script" command.
> > Feel free to write me off list if you want details on doing this.
> > 
> >   Best wishes,
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Dec 3, 2020, at 22:42, jean parker  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Sometimes the screen share doesn’t go directly to vlc or quicktime though 
> >> so it would be difficult to know where you are when command shifting 
> >> around. I will do further experiments however.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 8:16 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> When I do a screen share on Zoom, I am usually playing some kind of 
> >>> content using QuickTime Player, which I have cued-up and ready to play.  
> >>> As soon as I begin Zoom screen share, I turn off VoiceOver, and CMD + Tab 
> >>> to the QuickTime Player app, and hit the Spacebar to begin play.  when 
> >>> the program is done, I CMD + Tab back to Zoom, and stop screen share 
> >>> using the keyboard command, then I turn VoiceOver back on.
> >>> I’ve done this many times, and have the routine down.  It all goes well, 
> >>> until something goes wrong, and then I have to problem solve, which I am 
> >>> also pretty good at doing. 
> >>> 
> >>> - Brad -
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 17:10, jean parker  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> How do you keep track of where are? For example, when you share a video 
> >>> and you need to switch apps to get to the video player how do you know 
> >>> where you are if vo is off?
> >>> Once you are in the app you can use hot keys or whatever.
> >>> 
> >>> BTW, are you using Big Sur? I am having some issues, not really 
> >>> access-related but still.
> >>> 
> >>> Anyway thanks for getting back to me on this.
> >>> Jean
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On 3 Dec 2020, at 4:04 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>  
>  I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I am 
>  not experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen 
>  Share.
>  When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have been 
>  doing it this way for a long time with out any issue.
>  
>  - Brad -
>  
>  
>  On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:
>  
>  Hi:
>  
>  Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting 
>  rid of it though.
>  
>  
> > On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> > 
> > Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, 
> > does not resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, 
> > because the system voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > 
> > Speech is not VoiceOver, and is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
> > The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hello All:
> > I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The 
> > fact that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant 
> > annoyance. I have reported this to

Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-23 Thread Jonathan Cohn

My apologies for not answering you sooner. If all you want to do is switch
to a different application, that is very easy in VoiceOver. Just look at
the keyboard commander for left-option M start mail. If you need more
specifics then let me know.
A AppleScript can combine two or more actions in one script file, even to
different applications.
So, we could tell applescript to quit, launch quicktime make it the
frontmost application and with about 4 lines of AppleScript, or JavaScript.
If you want something like this script, I am off work for the next week,
and would not mind writing it.


On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 12:02 AM jean parker  wrote:

> Jonathan:
> Would that turn on quicktime from anywhere? The problems isn’t really
> starting play but navigating from zoom to the video player. If quick time
> or whatever could be started from zoom that would make it possible to turn
> off voice over thereby eliminating the possibility of the system voice
> interfering with things.
> VLC is a bit easier to manage. For whatever reason, the hot keys in
> Quicktime have never worked correctly for me.
> Jean
>
>
> > On 5 Dec 2020, at 7:05 pm, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> >
> > For QuickTime, I am sure I could create an AppleScript that just tells
> quicktime to either toggle playing or start playing. I don't know if VLC
> accepts apple events, but at least you could create a automation that would
> tell VLC to open a file.
> > In terminal this would be something close to:
> > open -a vlc myMP3File.mp3
> > Which could be encapsulated into a AppleScript or Automation with the
> "do shell script" command.
> > Feel free to write me off list if you want details on doing this.
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >
> > Jonathan Cohn
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 3, 2020, at 22:42, jean parker  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sometimes the screen share doesn’t go directly to vlc or quicktime
> though so it would be difficult to know where you are when command shifting
> around. I will do further experiments however.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 8:16 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When I do a screen share on Zoom, I am usually playing some kind of
> content using QuickTime Player, which I have cued-up and ready to play.  As
> soon as I begin Zoom screen share, I turn off VoiceOver, and CMD + Tab to
> the QuickTime Player app, and hit the Spacebar to begin play.  when the
> program is done, I CMD + Tab back to Zoom, and stop screen share using the
> keyboard command, then I turn VoiceOver back on.
> >>> I’ve done this many times, and have the routine down.  It all goes
> well, until something goes wrong, and then I have to problem solve, which I
> am also pretty good at doing.
> >>>
> >>> - Brad -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 17:10, jean parker  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How do you keep track of where are? For example, when you share a
> video and you need to switch apps to get to the video player how do you
> know where you are if vo is off?
> >>> Once you are in the app you can use hot keys or whatever.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, are you using Big Sur? I am having some issues, not really
> access-related but still.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway thanks for getting back to me on this.
> >>> Jean
> >>>
> >>>
>  On 3 Dec 2020, at 4:04 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
>  I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I
> am not experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen
> Share.
>  When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have
> been doing it this way for a long time with out any issue.
> 
>  - Brad -
> 
> 
>  On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:
> 
>  Hi:
> 
>  Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting
> rid of it though.
> 
> 
> > On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> >
> > Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset,
> does not resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because
> the system voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not
> VoiceOver, and is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
> > The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
> >
> > - Brad -
> >
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com <
> radiofore...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All:
> > I have been following the system voice thread with some interest.
> The fact that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant
> annoyance. I have reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or
> whatever they call it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen
> sharing in zoom or other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or
> other external sound card renders inconsistent results at best.
> > If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
> > Jean
> >
> >
> > --
> > The following information is important for all members of the Mac
> Visionaries

Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-05 Thread jean parker

Jonathan:
Would that turn on quicktime from anywhere? The problems isn’t really starting 
play but navigating from zoom to the video player. If quick time or whatever 
could be started from zoom that would make it possible to turn off voice over 
thereby eliminating the possibility of the system voice interfering with 
things. 
VLC is a bit easier to manage. For whatever reason, the hot keys in Quicktime 
have never worked correctly for me. 
Jean


> On 5 Dec 2020, at 7:05 pm, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> For QuickTime, I am sure I could create an AppleScript that just tells 
> quicktime to either toggle playing or start playing. I don't know if VLC 
> accepts apple events, but at least you could create a automation that would 
> tell VLC to open a file.
> In terminal this would be something close to:
> open -a vlc myMP3File.mp3 
> Which could be encapsulated into a AppleScript or Automation with the "do 
> shell script" command.
> Feel free to write me off list if you want details on doing this.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 22:42, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Sometimes the screen share doesn’t go directly to vlc or quicktime though so 
>> it would be difficult to know where you are when command shifting around. I 
>> will do further experiments however.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 8:16 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I do a screen share on Zoom, I am usually playing some kind of content 
>>> using QuickTime Player, which I have cued-up and ready to play.  As soon as 
>>> I begin Zoom screen share, I turn off VoiceOver, and CMD + Tab to the 
>>> QuickTime Player app, and hit the Spacebar to begin play.  when the program 
>>> is done, I CMD + Tab back to Zoom, and stop screen share using the keyboard 
>>> command, then I turn VoiceOver back on.
>>> I’ve done this many times, and have the routine down.  It all goes well, 
>>> until something goes wrong, and then I have to problem solve, which I am 
>>> also pretty good at doing. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 17:10, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do you keep track of where are? For example, when you share a video and 
>>> you need to switch apps to get to the video player how do you know where 
>>> you are if vo is off?
>>> Once you are in the app you can use hot keys or whatever.
>>> 
>>> BTW, are you using Big Sur? I am having some issues, not really 
>>> access-related but still.
>>> 
>>> Anyway thanks for getting back to me on this.
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3 Dec 2020, at 4:04 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I am 
 not experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen 
 Share.
 When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have been 
 doing it this way for a long time with out any issue.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting rid 
 of it though.
 
 
> On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does 
> not resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the 
> system voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not 
> VoiceOver, and is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
> The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The 
> fact that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. 
> I have reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever 
> they call it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing 
> in zoom or other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other 
> external sound card renders inconsistent results at best.
> If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
> Jean
> 
> 
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Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-05 Thread Jonathan Cohn

For QuickTime, I am sure I could create an AppleScript that just tells 
quicktime to either toggle playing or start playing. I don't know if VLC 
accepts apple events, but at least you could create a automation that would 
tell VLC to open a file.
In terminal this would be something close to:
open -a vlc myMP3File.mp3 
Which could be encapsulated into a AppleScript or Automation with the "do shell 
script" command.
Feel free to write me off list if you want details on doing this.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Dec 3, 2020, at 22:42, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Sometimes the screen share doesn’t go directly to vlc or quicktime though so 
> it would be difficult to know where you are when command shifting around. I 
> will do further experiments however.
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 8:16 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> When I do a screen share on Zoom, I am usually playing some kind of content 
>> using QuickTime Player, which I have cued-up and ready to play.  As soon as 
>> I begin Zoom screen share, I turn off VoiceOver, and CMD + Tab to the 
>> QuickTime Player app, and hit the Spacebar to begin play.  when the program 
>> is done, I CMD + Tab back to Zoom, and stop screen share using the keyboard 
>> command, then I turn VoiceOver back on.
>> I’ve done this many times, and have the routine down.  It all goes well, 
>> until something goes wrong, and then I have to problem solve, which I am 
>> also pretty good at doing. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 17:10, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> How do you keep track of where are? For example, when you share a video and 
>> you need to switch apps to get to the video player how do you know where you 
>> are if vo is off?
>> Once you are in the app you can use hot keys or whatever.
>> 
>> BTW, are you using Big Sur? I am having some issues, not really 
>> access-related but still.
>> 
>> Anyway thanks for getting back to me on this.
>> Jean
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 4:04 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I am not 
>>> experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen Share.
>>> When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have been 
>>> doing it this way for a long time with out any issue.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting rid 
>>> of it though.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:

 Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does 
 not resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the 
 system voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not 
 VoiceOver, and is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
 The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice

 - Brad -

 On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 Hello All:
 I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact 
 that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I 
 have reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever 
 they call it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing 
 in zoom or other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other 
 external sound card renders inconsistent results at best.
 If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
 Jean

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Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-03 Thread jean parker

Sometimes the screen share doesn’t go directly to vlc or quicktime though so it 
would be difficult to know where you are when command shifting around. I will 
do further experiments however.


> On 3 Dec 2020, at 8:16 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> When I do a screen share on Zoom, I am usually playing some kind of content 
> using QuickTime Player, which I have cued-up and ready to play.  As soon as I 
> begin Zoom screen share, I turn off VoiceOver, and CMD + Tab to the QuickTime 
> Player app, and hit the Spacebar to begin play.  when the program is done, I 
> CMD + Tab back to Zoom, and stop screen share using the keyboard command, 
> then I turn VoiceOver back on.
> I’ve done this many times, and have the routine down.  It all goes well, 
> until something goes wrong, and then I have to problem solve, which I am also 
> pretty good at doing. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2020, at 17:10, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> How do you keep track of where are? For example, when you share a video and 
> you need to switch apps to get to the video player how do you know where you 
> are if vo is off?
> Once you are in the app you can use hot keys or whatever.
> 
> BTW, are you using Big Sur? I am having some issues, not really 
> access-related but still.
> 
> Anyway thanks for getting back to me on this.
> Jean
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 4:04 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I am not 
>> experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen Share.
>> When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have been 
>> doing it this way for a long time with out any issue.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting rid of 
>> it though.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does 
>>> not resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the 
>>> system voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not 
>>> VoiceOver, and is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
>>> The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All:
>>> I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact 
>>> that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I have 
>>> reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever they 
>>> call it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing in zoom 
>>> or other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other external 
>>> sound card renders inconsistent results at best.
>>> If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-03 Thread Brad Snyder

When I do a screen share on Zoom, I am usually playing some kind of content 
using QuickTime Player, which I have cued-up and ready to play.  As soon as I 
begin Zoom screen share, I turn off VoiceOver, and CMD + Tab to the QuickTime 
Player app, and hit the Spacebar to begin play.  when the program is done, I 
CMD + Tab back to Zoom, and stop screen share using the keyboard command, then 
I turn VoiceOver back on.
I’ve done this many times, and have the routine down.  It all goes well, until 
something goes wrong, and then I have to problem solve, which I am also pretty 
good at doing. 

- Brad -


On Dec 3, 2020, at 17:10, jean parker  wrote:

How do you keep track of where are? For example, when you share a video and you 
need to switch apps to get to the video player how do you know where you are if 
vo is off?
Once you are in the app you can use hot keys or whatever.

BTW, are you using Big Sur? I am having some issues, not really access-related 
but still.

Anyway thanks for getting back to me on this.
Jean


> On 3 Dec 2020, at 4:04 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I am not 
> experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen Share.
> When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have been 
> doing it this way for a long time with out any issue.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting rid of 
> it though.
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does not 
>> resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the system 
>> voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not VoiceOver, and 
>> is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
>> The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact 
>> that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I have 
>> reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever they call 
>> it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing in zoom or 
>> other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other external 
>> sound card renders inconsistent results at best.
>> If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
>> Jean
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
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Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-03 Thread jean parker

How do you keep track of where are? For example, when you share a video and you 
need to switch apps to get to the video player how do you know where you are if 
vo is off?
Once you are in the app you can use hot keys or whatever.

BTW, are you using Big Sur? I am having some issues, not really access-related 
but still.

Anyway thanks for getting back to me on this.
Jean


> On 3 Dec 2020, at 4:04 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I am not 
> experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen Share.
> When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have been 
> doing it this way for a long time with out any issue.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting rid of 
> it though.
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does not 
>> resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the system 
>> voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not VoiceOver, and 
>> is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
>> The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact 
>> that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I have 
>> reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever they call 
>> it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing in zoom or 
>> other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other external 
>> sound card renders inconsistent results at best.
>> If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
>> Jean
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Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-03 Thread Brad Snyder

I have never enabled the voice through, Accessibility > Speech, so I am not 
experiencing any issues with silencing speech during a Zoom Screen Share.
When Screen Sharing, I turn off VoiceOver until I am done, and have been doing 
it this way for a long time with out any issue.

- Brad -


On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:56, jean parker  wrote:

Hi:

Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting rid of it 
though.


> On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does not 
> resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the system 
> voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not VoiceOver, and 
> is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
> The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact 
> that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I have 
> reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever they call 
> it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing in zoom or 
> other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other external sound 
> card renders inconsistent results at best.
> If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
> Jean
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Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-03 Thread jean parker

Hi:

Yes, I read your message and followed the directions. No luck getting rid of it 
though.


> On 3 Dec 2020, at 3:54 pm, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does not 
> resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the system 
> voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not VoiceOver, and 
> is not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
> The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact 
> that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I have 
> reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever they call 
> it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing in zoom or 
> other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other external sound 
> card renders inconsistent results at best.
> If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
> Jean
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Re: system voice irritation

2020-12-03 Thread Brad Snyder

Routing VoiceOver to an external sound device or bluetooth headset, does not 
resolve the issue of speech during a Zoom Screen Share, because the system 
voice that has been enabled in Accessibility > Speech is not VoiceOver, and is 
not affected by rerouting VoiceOver.
The issue can only be resolved by turning off the accessibility voice

- Brad -


On Dec 3, 2020, at 16:04, radiof...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hello All:
I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact that 
the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I have reported 
this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever they call it. This is 
particularly problematic when doing screen sharing in zoom or other platforms. 
Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other external sound card renders 
inconsistent results at best.
If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
Jean


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system voice irritation

2020-12-03 Thread radiof...@gmail.com

Hello All:
I have been following the system voice thread with some interest. The fact 
that the system voice can not be turned off is a constant annoyance. I have 
reported this to Apple and asked for a feature request or whatever they 
call it. This is particularly problematic when doing screen sharing in zoom 
or other platforms. Rerouting voiceover to a usb headset or other external 
sound card renders inconsistent results at best.
If others feel the same way please let Apple know.
Jean

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