[maemo-developers] Announce: Applications for download available

2005-10-20 Thread Nils Faerber
Hello!
Since the developer program's devices are being shipped now we have
created an easy download web page for our application ports to the Maemo
platform:
http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/app-install.shtml

There you will find step by step download links that will directly
install the applications and depending packages on your new device! The
applications provided are:

GPE-Todo - A todo list application
GPE-Contacts - A contacts database
Plucker - The well known ebook reader

More to come over time (e.g. GPE-Calendar is being worked on...)

We tested the download and install procedure and it should work pretty
well with the shipped developer devices.
If you have any problem, please feel free to contact us!

Also of course any other feedback is welcome too...

Enjoy!

kernel concepts team
nils faerber
florian boor
ole reinhardt

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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: Applications for download available

2005-10-20 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 10/20/05, Nils Faerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello!
 Since the developer program's devices are being shipped now we have
 created an easy download web page for our application ports to the Maemo
 platform:
 http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/app-install.shtml

 There you will find step by step download links that will directly
 install the applications and depending packages on your new device! The
 applications provided are:

Why not a apt-repo with them?

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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: xterm

2005-10-20 Thread Ian Oliver
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jan Wildeboer wrote:
 I Just installed it and it is up and running.
 
 No problems.

Same here.

Now we just need the root password ...

Regards

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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: xterm

2005-10-20 Thread Jan Wildeboer

Ian Oliver wrote:


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jan Wildeboer wrote:
 


I Just installed it and it is up and running.

No problems.
   



Same here.

Now we just need the root password ...

Regards


 


That's simple ;-)

Crackjack on the /etc/passwd file ;-)

I would more like to see sshd and vpnc for the N770 ;-)

Especially vnpc as I could then connect to the intranet. Somebody 
working on this?


Kind regards

Jan Wildeboer
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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: xterm

2005-10-20 Thread Ian Oliver
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ian Oliver wrote:
 Now we just need the root password ...

Cancel that, the root password is easy. The user password OTOH ... 

Ian



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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: xterm

2005-10-20 Thread Ian Oliver
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jan Wildeboer wrote:
 That's simple ;-)
 
 Crackjack on the /etc/passwd file ;-)

Which is why I say the root password is simple. :-)

But the user password is elsewhere (passwd- ?) and they way that the 
busybox su works, and the way that sudo is configured, mean that 
there's no immediately obvious way for the root password to be of much 
help.

Ian



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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: Applications for download available

2005-10-20 Thread Rodrigo Parra Novo
On 10/20/05, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We could have a package called KernelConceptsRepository, that, when
 installed, it will just append your repository to apt/sources.list.

   For security reasons, Application Installer runs under user
'install', so unfortunately (or fortunately :) ) it can't update
/etc/apt/sources.list. Also, as 'install' is an ordinary user, no
files installed with Application Installer can be suid root.

 After that we can have some GUI to browse packages from
 repositories... but we should come with a clean solution to mask out
 system packages! With that user would see a pretty AbiWord - Text
 processor Gnumeric - Spread sheet ... icons in his device.
 This would be something like Linspire Click-n-Run.

 But then we have the security problem to edit /etc/apt/sources.list ... ideas?

   Give time some time, I believe it will only be a matter of time
before someone (from the Maemo community) releases an AI++ (which
installs software on the root directory).

   (again, AI++ would not be installable via AI, but at least you
would only need to gain root access only once)

   Best regards,

   Rodrigo
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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: Applications for download available

2005-10-20 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On 10/20/05, Rodrigo Parra Novo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/20/05, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We could have a package called KernelConceptsRepository, that, when
  installed, it will just append your repository to apt/sources.list.

For security reasons, Application Installer runs under user
 'install', so unfortunately (or fortunately :) ) it can't update
 /etc/apt/sources.list. Also, as 'install' is an ordinary user, no
 files installed with Application Installer can be suid root.

Couldn't maemo have a system service (app) to do request a new
mirror to be installed?
   Maybe the final version could have a few trusted sites and some PGP
keys to protect users.
   Or we could have some central place to put free maemo applications,
this would come in maemo platform and we can have a review board to
make sure the package offers no danger to people's software/device.



  After that we can have some GUI to browse packages from
  repositories... but we should come with a clean solution to mask out
  system packages! With that user would see a pretty AbiWord - Text
  processor Gnumeric - Spread sheet ... icons in his device.
  This would be something like Linspire Click-n-Run.
 
  But then we have the security problem to edit /etc/apt/sources.list ... 
  ideas?

Give time some time, I believe it will only be a matter of time
 before someone (from the Maemo community) releases an AI++ (which
 installs software on the root directory).

I don't think it's necessary.
We could use the concept of self contained packages really easy,
like Rox does and some KDE people wants to with http://klik.atekon.de/

Problem is always dependencies... however if we have a base of
applications user may want to install, we can check common
dependencies and after evaluating their size x benefit, decide if we
provide it by default. Maemo being a single device/kernel by _now_
helps a lot.

But I still want the former approach, using apt-get and a GUI to
manage user packages (not system/libraries)

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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: Applications for download available

2005-10-20 Thread Koen Kooi
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Nils Faerber wrote:
 Hello!
 Since the developer program's devices are being shipped now we have
 created an easy download web page for our application ports to the Maemo
 platform:
   http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/app-install.shtml
 
 There you will find step by step download links that will directly
 install the applications and depending packages on your new device! The
 applications provided are:
 
   GPE-Todo - A todo list application
   GPE-Contacts - A contacts database
   Plucker - The well known ebook reader

Yay!

 
 More to come over time (e.g. GPE-Calendar is being worked on...)

Something like gpe-today would be nice to have. I suspect Philippe will
update http://handhelds.org/~philippe/maemo/ with new gpe-mini-browser
bits soon too.

 
 We tested the download and install procedure and it should work pretty
 well with the shipped developer devices.
 If you have any problem, please feel free to contact us!
 
 Also of course any other feedback is welcome too...

What do you think about shipping a .tar (or .zip) containing the latest
bits? That way I don't have to click on 9 different links to get all
this goodness :)

regards,

Koen

 
 Enjoy!
 
 kernel concepts team
   nils faerber
   florian boor
   ole reinhardt
 

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Re: [maemo-developers] Mono on Nokia 770

2005-10-20 Thread Günter Wolter

Hi,

I tried to get it work on my device, but I got the following error message:

# ~/mono/mono-nokia/mono button.exe
--
The assembly mscorlib.dll was not found or could not be loaded.
It should have been installed in the 
'/usr/local/lib/mono/1.0/mscorlib.dll' directory.

--

The next problem is, that I can't create a new folder under '/usr' to 
copy the needed files into, because I have not the permissions to do 
that. (as root) ?!


   // Günter

Paolo Molaro wrote:


I guess people on this list would be interested:
Mono runs on the Nokia 770, including Gtk# apps.
There is a tarball of the binaries here:
http://primates.ximian.com/~lupus/mono-nokia.tgz

It includes a README with a couple of instructions to setup
env vars.
You should be able to just copy a Gtk# app and have it run.
There is no support yet for Hildon-specific widgets.
Happy hacking!

lupus

 


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[maemo-developers] Hot to get a Nokia 770 Device for Developing

2005-10-20 Thread Victor Romero
Hi,

I'm interested in software development for mobile compiting, so then I
decided to buy a Nokia 770 device, but I cant find it in the stores in
my country, someone knows how or where can I buy a N770
device?.(I live in Mexico City)

Thanks for the information that you can provide me.

Victor Romero



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Re: [maemo-developers] Announce: Applications for download available

2005-10-20 Thread Nils Faerber
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Koen Kooi schrieb:
 Nils Faerber wrote:
Since the developer program's devices are being shipped now we have
created an easy download web page for our application ports to the Maemo
platform:
 http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/app-install.shtml
There you will find step by step download links that will directly
install the applications and depending packages on your new device! The
applications provided are:
 GPE-Todo - A todo list application
 GPE-Contacts - A contacts database
 Plucker - The well known ebook reader
 Yay!

I take that as positive respone ;)

More to come over time (e.g. GPE-Calendar is being worked on...)
 Something like gpe-today would be nice to have. I suspect Philippe will
 update http://handhelds.org/~philippe/maemo/ with new gpe-mini-browser
 bits soon too.

Yes, that would be nice too.

We tested the download and install procedure and it should work pretty
well with the shipped developer devices.
If you have any problem, please feel free to contact us!
Also of course any other feedback is welcome too...
 What do you think about shipping a .tar (or .zip) containing the latest
 bits? That way I don't have to click on 9 different links to get all
 this goodness :)

The intention of the page was to make application installation using the
device's application installer as easy as possible.
To my knowledge the app-install does not eat tar balls and without shell
it is almost impossible for a normal user to unpack tar.

When the AI learn about dependencies this will become easier (hopefully).

But yes, your idea is perfectly right and valid, but I think ATM not
practical for normal users.

 regards,
 Koen
Cheers
  nils faerber

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Re: [maemo-developers] Hot to get a Nokia 770 Device for Developing

2005-10-20 Thread Nils Faerber
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Victor Romero schrieb:
 Hi,
Hi!

 I'm interested in software development for mobile compiting, so then I
 decided to buy a Nokia 770 device, but I cant find it in the stores in my

Good decision!

 country, someone knows how or where can I buy a N770 device?.(I live in
 Mexico City)
 Thanks for the information that you can provide me.

Well, that is easily answered: You cannot buy it yet!

The people here on the list describing their experiences with their
devices are lucky developers that applied since about four months ago at
Nokia for the developer program - which has ended about two weeks ago.
Obviously the developer device program members get their devices
earlier than regular customers - probably to beta test the software ;)

But the official release must be any time soon - maybe next week, maybe
the week after - but not very much longer, I guess/hope.

After that you will be able to order the devices from the next Nokia
web-shop. AFAIK there will be, at least at first, no store sale, i.e.
you will only be able to buy the device online directly from Nokia.

 Victor Romero
Cheers
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Re: [maemo-developers] Hot to get a Nokia 770 Device for Developing

2005-10-20 Thread Nils Faerber
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Victor Romero schrieb:
 Hi,
Hi!

 Thanks the information, I will wait unpatienly (because I cant resist to
 havve one device in my hand whit all the experience that I hace read today)
 the day when I can buy the N770 device in a web-shop.

He, I can very well understand this and feel with you ;)

Oh, BTW: Please be cautious with the names... it is *not* N770, it is
called Nokia 770. There is also a mobile phone series of Nokia which is
the N* series and must not be confused with the 770 internet tablet
device... just as a hint...

  Victor Romero
Cheers
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