Re: [maemo-developers] upgrading base packages from third party repositories
Hi, Ralph Giles schrieb: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 01:45:30PM +0200, Jussi Kukkonen wrote: I finally managed to get ogg playback on my device, thanks to N770-Freak and the Getting started with multimedia-document at maemo.org. Now, I could upload the packages I put together out there (e.g. on Garage), but I'm wondering how upgrading Nokia-installed packages should be done. Cool! This is a gstreamer plugin that works with the existing audio player? There is a link to a deb package for the N770 somewhere in the thread about gstreamer-ogg-vorbis on internettablettalk.com. I have tested this plugin and it actually works with audio player, Canola, and Media Streamer. The only drawback is that it doesn't support Ogg Vorbis tags and doesn't report the track length to the player. Oh, and you have to reboot your device after installing the plugin. Regards, Martin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] upgrading base packages from third party repositories
Martin Grimme wrote: Hi, Ralph Giles schrieb: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 01:45:30PM +0200, Jussi Kukkonen wrote: I finally managed to get ogg playback on my device, thanks to N770-Freak and the Getting started with multimedia-document at maemo.org. Now, I could upload the packages I put together out there (e.g. on Garage), but I'm wondering how upgrading Nokia-installed packages should be done. Cool! This is a gstreamer plugin that works with the existing audio player? There is a link to a deb package for the N770 somewhere in the thread about gstreamer-ogg-vorbis on internettablettalk.com. I have tested this plugin and it actually works with audio player, Canola, and Media Streamer. How did you managed to have Canola show ogg files ? The only drawback is that it doesn't support Ogg Vorbis tags and doesn't report the track length to the player. Oh, and you have to reboot your device after installing the plugin. Regards, Martin Fred ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Should I change my Repo's settings?
Thanks Mike, So, should I had another instance for the maemo repos (maemo and extras) withe the scirocco distro or should I just change the existing ones (mistral) to scirocco? i.e.: If I add a new instance for the same repos with diferent distro (scirocco) - will it break the device? I am confised. Does 2.2006.39-14 = scirocco? Thanks! On 12/5/06, Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Should I change all mistral occurrences to scirocco? My questions is a general one - not specifically for the Canola install. If you have IT2006 v2.2006.39-14 installed... snip good advice about repo settings There is no good general answer for this question yet. What I've been doing is checking the repo to see if they have packages available for scirocco and using those if they do. You can check if a scirocco dist is available by visiting the repo URL in your web browser and going into the /dists/ directory. For example, repository.maemo.org is: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/ The only repos I've found that currently offer scirocco packages are repository.maemo.org, maemo.org extras, and the canola repo. Tableteer, for example, does not... although they do offer a bora dist (ooh, ahh). Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- ::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM, learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm --- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Should I change my Repo's settings?
So, should I had another instance for the maemo repos (maemo and extras) withe the scirocco distro or should I just change the existing ones (mistral) to scirocco? i.e.: If I add a new instance for the same repos with diferent distro (scirocco) - will it break the device? I don't manage any repos and you're getting outside my realm of expertise. My expectation is that you shouldn't need both mistral and scirocco selected, and that doing so might break things. The way it _should_ work is that you should select the dist that corresponds to the OS image installed on your device. Folks using 2.01.2006.26-8 should select mistral, folks using 2.2006.39-14 should select scirocco. Since that's not always possible, I've been selecting the correct dist (scirocco for me) when it is available, and mistral when that's all there is. This has been working well for me. It is always possible for a bad repo to bork your device but many folks are using the config described above and will report such breakage as a bug. I am confised. Does 2.2006.39-14 = scirocco? http://maemo.org/maemowiki/CodeNames Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] upgrading base packages from third party repositories
Hi, Fred Lefévère-Laaoide schrieb: There is a link to a deb package for the N770 somewhere in the thread about gstreamer-ogg-vorbis on internettablettalk.com. I have tested this plugin and it actually works with audio player, Canola, and Media Streamer. How did you managed to have Canola show ogg files ? It shows shared Ogg files on the UPnP server without any problems. There's also a simple hack for local Ogg files: change the extension to .mp3 ;) But don't rate the renamed Ogg files in Canola (via the stars) because Canola thinks this is an mp3 and will destroy the Ogg by writing ID3 tags. Regards, Martin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] upgrading base packages from third party repositories
On 12/6/06, Martin Grimme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But don't rate the renamed Ogg files in Canola (via the stars) because Canola thinks this is an mp3 and will destroy the Ogg by writing ID3 tags. You have tried this? I always thought that this rating info (similar to that found in Rhythmbox and Winamp) was stored in an external DB. If it is stored in the ID3 tags, is it a standard thing that will work across players? /Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] upgrading base packages from third party repositories
Michael Wiktowy schrieb: On 12/6/06, Martin Grimme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But don't rate the renamed Ogg files in Canola (via the stars) because Canola thinks this is an mp3 and will destroy the Ogg by writing ID3 tags. You have tried this? I always thought that this rating info (similar to that found in Rhythmbox and Winamp) was stored in an external DB. If it is stored in the ID3 tags, is it a standard thing that will work across players? All I know for sure is that rating an Ogg file with Canola corrupts the Ogg file. But when I write-protect the file, Canola still lets me rate it. So maybe Canola stores the rating in its DB and if possible writes an ID3 tag. Maybe somebody from the Canola team can shed some light on it. :) Regards, Martin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Canola: other apps won't start
On 5 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Canola (great app btw) and noticed that other apps won't start anymore, even when there is enough swap space available. For example: I have Opera and the mail client runing and want to launch a third app. I see a high cpu load which fades away after some seconds but the app will not start. Before I installed Canola I was able to run as many apps as I wanted until I ran out of swap space. I still use itos 2006 28-6, have a 40mb swap partition and the urgend feeling that something has changed! This unwanted new behavior is annoying. My n770 behaves as if it is running out of memory. Did anyone noticed a similar behavior? If so I would like to track this down and add a bug report to garage. I open many windows all the time when Canola is NOT running. The applet doesn't interfere. 5-10 web browser windows, plus RSS Reader. I have 64MB swap. With Canola running, I can't open more than one app (RSS Reader). Ted ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Canola: other apps won't start
Hi people, Please take a look at our project page in garage : garage.maemo.org/projects/canola this could be happening to you because the canola applet, or better the canola-conf is scanning in the background and there's a lot of content on your mmc or something. We have solved that, and we are close to release an update that solves not only that but other issues reported by the users. If it hangs in the startup, please wait.. maemo mapper users need to wait a little bit until the scanner finishes the indexing for the database. Solution for you problem: go to the web configure tool, click on media collection remove the folder /media/mmc1/ and add only the folder of your media in the mmc e.g: /media/mmc1/photos /media/mmc1/music We realize that users need to have more options in this field on the configure but it will take a little bit more of time and testing to assure everything is fine and we will give users more options to set exclude folders. About the cpu usage: With canola, the obvious thing was to be the more eye-candy ready as possible, and that takes a lot of cpu, but we did some mistakes in some screens, with the cpu higher then it should be. In the soon to be released update, the cpu usage was drammatically reduced and better : the app now fells a little speeded up =) Sorry for the incovenience, and we are in garage.maemo.org for any problems and also on #canola in irc.freenode.net for any canola-only related problems. you can talk to following guys _Handful_me andrunko k-s chencarek Anything else, please fell free to drop me another email! BR Marcelo Oliveira On 12/5/06, Zrz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I installed Canola (great app btw) and noticed that other apps won't start anymore, even when there is enough swap space available. For example: I have Opera and the mail client runing and want to launch a third app. I see a high cpu load which fades away after some seconds but the app will not start. Before I installed Canola I was able to run as many apps as I wanted until I ran out of swap space. I still use itos 2006 28-6, have a 40mb swap partition and the urgend feeling that something has changed! This unwanted new behavior is annoying. My n770 behaves as if it is running out of memory. Did anyone noticed a similar behavior? If so I would like to track this down and add a bug report to garage. Thanks and regards Krischan PS: Canola runs great as stand alone app! Krischan Keitsch sip: 1-747-671-3372 im: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Marcelo Eduardo Moraes de Oliveira - Just Handful of nothing http://www.marceloeduardo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Canola: other apps won't start
Ted, Everything has a price, and to be able to give users the experience that we planned of course we will need more resources than the usual. But even with that said, we worked hard this week to really improve this. But again: you're in the developers list so you know the device limitations. We already cut the cpu usage in more than 50% but if you need to draw smooth graphic movements, no way you can do this (like pixel by pixel scrolling text) without using more cpu than a static gtk application. Browser is one of the hungriest application, but I was able to open it with Canola even without closing canola. Of course this depends on the site you're visiting.. how many images / flash it has and of course how many cpu / memory this behavior will consume. So, if any help is need in order to improve the usage, just contact us in the #canola channel on irc.freenode.net or via our garage project : http://garage.maemo.org/projects/canola/ BR Marcelo On 12/6/06, Ted Zlatanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Canola (great app btw) and noticed that other apps won't start anymore, even when there is enough swap space available. For example: I have Opera and the mail client runing and want to launch a third app. I see a high cpu load which fades away after some seconds but the app will not start. Before I installed Canola I was able to run as many apps as I wanted until I ran out of swap space. I still use itos 2006 28-6, have a 40mb swap partition and the urgend feeling that something has changed! This unwanted new behavior is annoying. My n770 behaves as if it is running out of memory. Did anyone noticed a similar behavior? If so I would like to track this down and add a bug report to garage. I open many windows all the time when Canola is NOT running. The applet doesn't interfere. 5-10 web browser windows, plus RSS Reader. I have 64MB swap. With Canola running, I can't open more than one app (RSS Reader). Ted ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Marcelo Eduardo Moraes de Oliveira - Just Handful of nothing http://www.marceloeduardo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Canola: other apps won't start
Hi Antonio, I just wanted to find out if anybody else came across this behavior. I will then add a bug report to the canola-garage site. Did you install canola? If so, can you run several apps (web and mail client) and then launch e.g. xterm and even more apps? Regards Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2006 21:08 schrieben Sie: zrz, it is better to feedback indt canola guys about it ?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] regards On 12/5/06, Zrz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I installed Canola (great app btw) and noticed that other apps won't start anymore, even when there is enough swap space available. For example: I have Opera and the mail client runing and want to launch a third app. I see a high cpu load which fades away after some seconds but the app will not start. Before I installed Canola I was able to run as many apps as I wanted until I ran out of swap space. I still use itos 2006 28-6, have a 40mb swap partition and the urgend feeling that something has changed! This unwanted new behavior is annoying. My n770 behaves as if it is running out of memory. Did anyone noticed a similar behavior? If so I would like to track this down and add a bug report to garage. Thanks and regards Krischan PS: Canola runs great as stand alone app! Krischan Keitsch sip: 1-747-671-3372 im: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] Re: [maemo-developers] Canola: other apps won't start
On 6 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything has a price, and to be able to give users the experience that we planned of course we will need more resources than the usual. Sure, I wasn't complaining, just stating my experience. But even with that said, we worked hard this week to really improve this. But again: you're in the developers list so you know the device limitations. We already cut the cpu usage in more than 50% but if you need to draw smooth graphic movements, no way you can do this (like pixel by pixel scrolling text) without using more cpu than a static gtk application. Yes. Canola definitely pushed the 770's limits. It reminds me a lot of applications on the Amiga, actually--same kind of dynamic fun feel to all the Canola interface elements. This is a good thing :) Ted ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] extras repository
ext Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Carlos Guerreiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah. That's the way to go: proper archive management with something like DAK (we'll look into that at least for sardine and herring once there's some time) and a build system to go with it. I think we are more in need of a clue than in need of proper tools. :-) Absolutely correct! I read Marius email [1] at least 5-6 times, and I wanted to keep almost all the sentences in my reply too. But just to return back to the topic let me update you about the situation: snip The distributions would be divided into components, and extras would simply be one of those components. I agree. The maemo distros must have a fine grained component breakdown and to start with I second Marius and propose to add 'extras' to each of our distros: -mistral extras -- currently the only one available :( -scirocco extras -- the next one to implement -sardine extras -- comes later (or should this be done 1st?) -herring extras -- after sardine perhaps My proposal about the next steps: We have to setup an intelligent build environment. The rough plan for this is: -get a descent hardware -install Scratchbox 1.x -setup sbuild together with our existing queue-manager (no DAK for now) If all is done then the package_maintainers/developers don't have to bother with compiling their sw for the various maemo releases. They only need to upload the signed Debian source package(s) to the current extras queue, like some of you do it today. The build environment should be clever to spot the problems and send reports to the package_maintainer/developer in case an uploaded source does not build. The cause of the build failure can be anything from an error in the code, error in the Debian specific files to a missing build dependency. Upon successful compilation the queue-manager will install the package to the archive and inform all of us (RSS feed, mailing list, whatever). I think for the time being we will skip checking if the newly installed package have all its runtime dependencies in the same archive. The ultimate goal (as Marius stated) is to have self contained repositories. So let's go for it, but let's take one step at a time ;) Timeline? Well, if this looks sane to you, then a testing environment could be established still this year (I am always optimistic ;). Any comments on this proposal? The existing 'Tableteer' catalogue would turn into a component as well (but it might continue to be hosted in a different way than extras.) Yes, I will suggest that to the Tableteer owners. However I do not think that the content of Tableteer will be built by the build system I drafted above, because we got no sources from there :( Cheers, Ferenc [1]http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-November/006480.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
