Re: Python startup desktop icon
Hi, ext Tony Maro wrote: I'm trying to follow the instructions at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html I have the icon launching my app just fine, but when I use the X-Osso-Service and a .service dbus file, I get something odd. It tells me Starting app in the top right, and the application starts just fine. Then, after about 20 seconds, the app closes. If I launch it without using X-Osso-service, it of course gives no notification that the app is opening, but it opens and stays open. If D-BUS service doesn't register to D-BUS daemon after it was started, the daemon assumes that starting failed and terminates the started process. (Why to start something with D-BUS if it doesn't use it?) Libosso initialization does also D-BUS registration. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: do we need garage sandbox repos?
Ferenc Szekely wrote: On 8/9/07, Vlad Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil raised a very important point in his mail: categories and control of the repository. We could experiment with the categories in this extras-testing repository. First we would need a proposal of categories. The best would be to write this on a wiki page. Neil, would you mind coming up with a draft? From this initial list that I see on my N800 today: Accessories Too general? Includes evince, would Office be a better choice? Applications Again, too general? cli All lowercase, and pretty meaningless Communication Only contains VNC, and gets it about right connectivity Again all lowercase, contains mnotify... hmmm Communication?? Daemon Only dropbear, maybe Communication? Daemons Can never have enough Daemons extras Lowercase again, contains microb-refui whatever that is... Games graphics Contains an image viewer (mirage) - Image Viewers as a category? home-applet So good it needed it's own home-applet category instantmessaging --- Bless you, Pidgin but what's wrong with Communication? Locales Is this really necessary? Again, it's Pidgin misc Insightful (not) Multimedia Office Other Mostly gaming related (fceu, visualboyadvance, xmame etc.)! Programming Python, could have gone in Support maybe? Protocols More Pidgin! religion ! sound kmplayer, what's wrong with the Multimedia category?! Support Would seem like a good category for locales, runtimes and other stuff Themes Tools ---\ Utilities Tools/Utilities/utils... one category to rule them all? utils ---/ web privoxy... how about Daemon, Communication or connectivity? Web wordpress... Communication or Applications perhaps I've produced the following subset of broad categories for consideration: Communications Games Graphics Multimedia Office (or perhaps Business Tools?) Programming Support Themes Utilities (or perhaps Tools?) Something like FBReader should probably go in the Office category (as it relates to document viewing though not necessarily Word/Excel format), which suggests Office may not be a good title... maybe a Document Viewer category (distinct from document creation tools which should be in Office). Applications such as xterm would be categorised as Utilities. Dropbear and ssh could be categorised as Utilities *OR* Communications - should all command line tools be placed in a single category for that purpose or treated the same as GUI packages? Perhaps a Command Line category would be appropriate. Pidgin would be categorised as Communications, however Pidgin protocols might be categorised as Support, as would any locales (eg. Skype). However in order to simplify installation for the user there may be an argument to keep all packages associated with the main application in the same category, such that all Pidgin sound and protocol packages are categorised as Communications too. Any thoughts? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: do we need garage sandbox repos?
Also fully support this. I hope a lot of projects/developers will start using this sandbox instead their own corners -- Romaxa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 8/8/07, Ferenc Szekely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It has been a long time, so time to write to all of you :) We had a good chat with some of the microb folks here in my room yesterday. The conclusion was that we should perhaps offer a 'sandbox' repository for garage projects. This would be a place where any project could upload packages, make sure that they are installable on the environment they are targeting for (like stock Nokia N800) etc. The sandbox would serve as a staging environment before pushing the packages to extras. The repo will not be on repository.maemo.org, but on garage. This would hopefully hide it enough from users who could accidentally run into troubles using this sandbox on their tablets. The repo maintenance would be done with volunteers. I could establish the basic environment, make sure that your uploaded packages are processed etc, but I would like to get your help cleaning up the sandbox every now and then. Yeah, it is yet another repository, I know. But it could perhaps take away some work from those of you who are running an own repo today. So what do you think? -ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: dbus api for wlancond
nic wrote: Hi Kalle, Thanks for the response. However I had looked at the source for wlancond previously. In the source the strings for the DBUS api can't be seen since they are stored in header files (wlancond-dbus.h or wlancond.h) that aren't included in the source osso-wlan. Do you know where these are? I saw a message by Patrik Flykt Patrik.Flykt[at]nokia.com on this message board saying these files were in fact in osso-wlan-dev. But this does not seem to be in repository.maemo.org/ from what I could see. In that same discussion Kalle Valo promises to get back to the issue of missing header files (April 4th) :) Filed a bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1790 -- Jussi Kukkonen signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Now *that*'s what I call a changelog...
Just a small detail: the old and new version number (and package name) should be mentioned. :) Laurent On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 13:25 +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: Hi, With all the recent discussion about release notes and changelogs, *this* is what I like to see in a changelog: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/4/ Congratulations to timeless for putting the effort into the release notes for the new version of microb: I can already see a number of things which are worth the upgrade. Cheers, Andrew ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Microphone Input Sensitivity
All, is there a way to control the input sensitivity of the Microphone on the N800? I was using Skype today and It would have been helpful to the other parties on the call if I were able to tone down the input volume. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Obtaining flash memory serial numbers on Nokia N800
I've been trying, without success, to find some documentation that will tell me how to go about reading, from within an application, the serial number for any of the storage memory in an N800. What I need to do is, given a directory path: - Determine which storage memory this corresponds with (whether it be the built-in memory, or an SD card in either of the memory slots that are available) - Obtain the serial number of that memory device, if it has one (or determine that it hasn't got a serial number, if this is the case). Can anyone suggest how I can do this? David Hazel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Now *that*'s what I call a changelog...
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 01:25:45PM +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: With all the recent discussion about release notes and changelogs, *this* is what I like to see in a changelog: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/4/ Congratulations to timeless for putting the effort into the release notes for the new version of microb: I can already see a number of things which are worth the upgrade. Except for the categorisation (and HTML format, instead of text), what you then want is essentially /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: do we need garage sandbox repos?
On 8/9/07, Vlad Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Bartosh wrote: extras-testing would be even better. It's clearly says that this repository is for testing applications on their way to extras. This is a good idea. I need such mechanism for wide testing the my deb packets. Thanks for the replies. It looks like that some of us would benefit from this repository, so let's go for it.. The name proposal extras-testing is more down to the point. Although it may confuse people who are familiar with Debian processes. The name may also suggest there is some QA for extras etc. Well, we can have QA and all that together as a community effort. I mean that we can not expect that Nokia will do quality checks for extras packages. Neil raised a very important point in his mail: categories and control of the repository. We could experiment with the categories in this extras-testing repository. First we would need a proposal of categories. The best would be to write this on a wiki page. Neil, would you mind coming up with a draft? Then we should document how to make use of the categories, ie. how to prepare your debs to belong to a certain cat. This is not a big deal, I could write a page on that (adding it to the current ExtrasRepository page [1]. The tricky part is how to enforce the categories. We need to change the tool that processes the packages and here I may need Ed's help. Ed, you are probably familiar enough with the queue-manager, right? If not, then I can do the changes, but I have to look some free slot in the calendar for that. How does it sound? -ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
manually install sdk 3.1 cause apt-get fail
Hi, According to steps in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt, I mannualy installed the 3.1 sdk. After installation finished I found apt-get failed with error about name resolving. I modified the /etc/nsswitch.conf, the apt-get can do update, but there's new problem, I apt-get install libxslt1 will cause packages confict, if force install, many packages will be removed. After failing I use the sdk intall scipt to reinstall the rootfs, all problems dissapeared. Regards dave ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 is USB Host mode (Compiling kernel with CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HOST)
Michael Lapinski wrote: Does anyone have any ideas why this would happen? Also can anyone tell me what the USB chipset is on the 800? Was discussed here in the list few times. Search list archives for details [1] or check this http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ Frantisek 1. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Obtaining flash memory serial numbers on Nokia N800
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 22:52 +0300, Igor Stoppa wrote: I don't know about MMC/SD (isn't that something that is not public available?) I would hope that the serial number of an SD card can be read on the Nokia. It can certainly be read from an SD card that is installed on a Windows Mobile device. Thanks for the pointer to the Samsung website. I'll see what I can find from there. David Hazel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: do we need garage sandbox repos?
Ferenc Szekely wrote: Neil raised a very important point in his mail: categories and control of the repository. We could experiment with the categories in this extras-testing repository. First we would need a proposal of categories. The best would be to write this on a wiki page. Neil, would you mind coming up with a draft? I can certainly propose an initial subset of preferred category titles, probably based on categories I've seen so far in which case others can also suggest additions. I'll put together an initial list later today and post them to the mailing list for consideration. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Obtaining flash memory serial numbers on Nokia N800
On 8/10/07, David Hazel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 22:52 +0300, Igor Stoppa wrote: I don't know about MMC/SD (isn't that something that is not public available?) I would hope that the serial number of an SD card can be read on the Nokia. It can certainly be read from an SD card that is installed on a Windows Mobile device. This is very useful if you're just trying to tell one card from another. For instance, if you're storing a database on a specific card, have your application recognize when that card is in your device verses the card from your camera, or another card with a similar database. Normally you would get this from /proc/scsi/ or similar, but there doesn't appear to be any entries for it... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: dbus api for wlancond
Hi Kalle, Thanks for the response. However I had looked at the source for wlancond previously. In the source the strings for the DBUS api can't be seen since they are stored in header files (wlancond-dbus.h or wlancond.h) that aren't included in the source osso-wlan. Do you know where these are? I saw a message by Patrik Flykt Patrik.Flykt[at]nokia.com on this message board saying these files were in fact in osso-wlan-dev. But this does not seem to be in repository.maemo.org/ from what I could see. Any suggestions? Nic ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Now *that*'s what I call a changelog...
On 8/10/07, Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 01:25:45PM +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: With all the recent discussion about release notes and changelogs, *this* is what I like to see in a changelog: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/4/ Except for the categorisation (and HTML format, instead of text), what you then want is essentially /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz. Effectively, yes. Although I find the categorisation helpful, this doesn't need to be done after the fact. As had already been pointed out, there are pages which list the variation in packages; assuming they have good changelogs, from a Maemo point of view it should be possible to auto-generate a decent changelog. I'd try to do it this afternoon, but would need some more information: * What's the difference between the Content Comparison Table[1] and the Content Changes Table[2]? * Are these sorts of tables going to be released for future updates? (I'm not writing a tool for a one-off) * For this release, are there finally no differences between the packages in the IT OS and the corresponding SDK? If not, are their equivalent tables for the packages which make up an IT OS release? * What's the definitive place to get the source for a given package? * Where's the equivalent for the open IT OS packages which aren't part of Maemo[3], such as osso-rss-feed-reader? Having a quick look at some of the random entries, however shows that not all the debian/changelog entries have the same level of thought that timeless has put in, for example from libconic: * Fixed freeing of a GError. Fixes: NB#49308. Admittedly, if that bug was accessible the description of it could also be pulled out into the complete changelog. Unfortunately, even the open source components of an IT OS release are closed developments, but this is a long rant for another day (which I don't think we're ever going to get solved satisfactorily). Cheers, Andrew [1] http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.2/content_comparison.html [2] http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.2/content_changes.html [3] http://maemo.org/news/view/1186118712.html -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
CONFIG_LOCALVERSION causing non-boot was Re: N800 is USB Host mode (Compiling kernel with CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HOST)
I figured out the issue. It was totally unrelated to the USB patching. I was changing CONFIG_LOCALVERSION compile variable to be able to identify which kernel (of the several that I have tried) is loaded by using uname -a. Apparently doing this is a no no because the device goes into an endless loop of rebooting. Keeping it a fixes the issue. -mtl Frantisek Dufka wrote: Michael Lapinski wrote: Does anyone have any ideas why this would happen? Also can anyone tell me what the USB chipset is on the 800? Was discussed here in the list few times. Search list archives for details [1] or check this http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ Frantisek 1. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Microphone Input Sensitivity
On Fri, 2007-10-08 at 14:17 -0400, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: All, is there a way to control the input sensitivity of the Microphone on the N800? I was using Skype today and It would have been helpful to the other parties on the call if I were able to tone down the input volume. No kidding I have the same problem with Skype. It's almost unusable. -- George Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
