USB Host mode and OS2008
How is it supposed to work? I flashed my N800 with OS2008 for N800 Beta and plugged in an USB keyword (as I've read it would work without a powered HUB) but nothing happened. Are there some settings which must be activated? Thanks, Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is it possible to make a well-behaved pyGame app with maemo-python ?
By well-behaved I mean an app which appears as an icon in the taskbar like a proper Hildon app. I have copied and modified .desktop and .service files of such apps made with PyGTK, but pyGame seems different. If the .desktop doesn't reference an osso service, the app starts from the menu, but there is no icon in the taskbar (and no xx is starting during launch). If it does, the xx is starting message appears for some time, but the app never starts. Is it possible to get this right ? If so, is there a Howto somewhere ? Yes, it's indeed possible. Kagu ( http://www.kagumedia.com ) is a pygame app; you might want to check it out. I suspect http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/#7179b7084dd3339e008879a088142aae may also be helpful. -- Tak does not require that we think of Him, only that we think. --Grag Bashfullsson http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is it possible to make a well-behaved pyGame app with maemo-python ?
Hi, ext Fred Pacquier wrote: By well-behaved I mean an app which appears as an icon in the taskbar like a proper Hildon app. I have copied and modified .desktop and .service files of such apps made with PyGTK, but pyGame seems different. If the .desktop doesn't reference an osso service, the app starts from the menu, but there is no icon in the taskbar (and no xx is starting during launch). If it does, the xx is starting message appears for some time, but the app never starts. Is it possible to get this right ? If so, is there a Howto somewhere ? For SDL (pygame), see this old bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24#c11 As to D-BUS services, if they don't register themselves after starting, D-BUS will kill them (assuming that the startup failed). - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is it possible to make a well-behaved pyGame app with maemo-python ?
Please check my article in the wiki: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/packagebuildingwithoutlinuxusingpypackager/ Hope it helps (even if you don't use pypackager) Best regards -Tom By well-behaved I mean an app which appears as an icon in the taskbar like a proper Hildon app. I have copied and modified .desktop and .service files of such apps made with PyGTK, but pyGame seems different. If the .desktop doesn't reference an osso service, the app starts from the menu, but there is no icon in the taskbar (and no xx is starting during launch). If it does, the xx is starting message appears for some time, but the app never starts. Is it possible to get this right ? If so, is there a Howto somewhere ? Yes, it's indeed possible. Kagu ( http://www.kagumedia.com ) is a pygame app; you might want to check it out. I suspect http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/#7179b7084dd3339e00887 9a088142aae may also be helpful. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
OS2008 N800 and root password
Am I wrong? Or root password on OS2008 for N800 is not rootme anymore? Thank you. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: OS2008 N800 and root password
Hi William, yep the password is rootme, just don't forget to enable RD mode. Cheers, Luca On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:53:47 +0100 william maddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I wrong? Or root password on OS2008 for N800 is not rootme anymore? Thank you. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: OS2008 N800 and root password
Hello william maddler wrote: Am I wrong? Or root password on OS2008 for N800 is not rootme anymore? Thank you. It is. However if you refer to logging in over ssh, the device needs to be in RD mode to allow you in as root. You're welcome. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: OS2008 N800 and root password
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:03:05PM +0100, Luca De Cicco wrote: :Hi William, : :yep the password is rootme, just don't forget to enable RD mode. RD Mode is still black magic to me is the any documentation on what this actually does? -Jon ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
1.) Rpc (aka web services) 2.) Dbus 3.) Direct SQLite DB interaction Whatever motivation was, I second the idea to use 770/800/810 as device as user wants. Even smaller computers have place under the sun for more ambicious tasks. Web services could be love/hate, they solve the problem making different os-s share the project or business. Talking about web, I think ajax is nowadays must-have for success at first-time-visit customers. Btw, daemons and services could be less demanding than multimedia usage of the device. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
On 11/27/07, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.) Rpc (aka web services) 2.) Dbus 3.) Direct SQLite DB interaction Whatever motivation was, I second the idea to use 770/800/810 as device as user wants. Even smaller computers have place under the sun for more ambicious tasks. Web services could be love/hate, they solve the problem making different os-s share the project or business. Talking about web, I think ajax is nowadays must-have for success at first-time-visit customers. Btw, daemons and services could be less demanding than multimedia usage of the device. I don't agree with another always-on media daemon either. But an on-demand media daemon seems like the right fit. -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
gftp port to maemo: some questions
Hi, I have hildonized gFTP (see gftp.org) for my brand new N810. See screenshots here: http://www.screenshots.cc/view_image/b3e341728/shot-2007-11-27-16-53-42.png http://www.screenshots.cc/view_image/dd8fd1727/shot-2007-11-27-16-52-32.png Font size needs to be reduced to be more usable but it works. What has been done: - main window hildonized; - menu hildonized; - added hardware fullscreen button function; - obviously fixed compilation error - update debian rules to make debian package What remains to be done: - reduce font size to me more usable (UI has lots of items) My questions: 1/ When I just installed the package, the hildon theme was not applied to the application, and the icon was not appearing in the menu until a reboot. Shall I call some script in the post install script? 2/ How could this software land in the extra repository and would someone be willing to maintain this package (debian packaging is hell for me)? I need a mentor to control what I have done. For example make dist-clean breaks the compilation so I disabled it in the debian/rules (autoconf problem I think). I was not able to keep the .orig.tar.gz and generate the diff to produce nice debian source packages, etc... 3/ I can upload everything if there is a community ftp available. Regards, Nicolas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [pymaemo] new pygtk module with glade support
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:07:03 -0500 Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I just tried to run MediaBox http://mediabox.garage.maemo.org/ on chinook and it complained about not being able to import gnome.gconf. Is that a regression from bora? There is a bug with gconf module: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2007-November/000153.html You can run MediaBox if you create manually (as root user) a __init__.py file in gnome-python directory: touch /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gnome/__init__.py Cheers. - -- Daniel Martín Yerga [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://yerga.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHTE0EcnvB1T3xmfMRAjcEAJ4gM1oAHE2+FtP7CsIn45BP9xVKYQCffFr5 zILhADNdNNoSriaYpSH8eQE= =nNAC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800/OS2008 dpkg --force-all not really forcing
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:21:09PM +0100, william maddler wrote: Hi all, quick question. Just rebuilt net-tools package (I need real netstat, and also default one is not actually working bug #2389). When I try to install the new deb, using --force-all (to override Busybox) i get the following message: ... and original links are restored. Is there any way to avoid this? Any clue? My suggestion: don't use --force, make your netstat package use dpkg-divert to replace the busybox versions of the binaries. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html Marius Gedminas -- Mosher's Law of Software Engineering: Don't worry if it doesn't work right. If everything did, you'd be out of a job. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: OS2008 N800 and root password
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 10:12:54AM -0500, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:03:05PM +0100, Luca De Cicco wrote: :Hi William, : :yep the password is rootme, just don't forget to enable RD mode. I'm very surprised that this affects SSH logins. Is that's really so, how is it implemented? RD Mode is still black magic to me is the any documentation on what this actually does? There was a page in the old wiki, once. Ah, here it is: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/rdmode/ Marius Gedminas -- The typewriter was invented by Hungarian immigrant Qwert Yuiop, who left his signature on the keyboard. -- Kim signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: OS2008 N800 and root password
2007/11/27, Aleksandr Koltsoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: william maddler wrote: Am I wrong? Or root password on OS2008 for N800 is not rootme anymore? Thank you. It is. However if you refer to logging in over ssh, the device needs to be in RD mode to allow you in as root. Unless you have your ssh keys set up to allow passwordless login, it seems. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
How about a GPS daemon similar to gpsd but with the capabiltiy to speak HTTP? Would be nice if people making webapps could include a javascript source from the localhost that would give back an object with GPS info. I've already written very lightweight implementations of this in Java and Python, however both rely on gpsd. I'm guessing one for the n810 could just call to the GPS APIs. I'm sure there will be security concerns, but it should be easy to turn off and on, and wouldn't be a big deal for a mobile device. The daemon also doesn't need to give a highly accurate latitude and longitude to still be very useful. Luis Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.) Rpc (aka web services) 2.) Dbus 3.) Direct SQLite DB interaction Whatever motivation was, I second the idea to use 770/800/810 as device as user wants. Even smaller computers have place under the sun for more ambicious tasks. Web services could be love/hate, they solve the problem making different os-s share the project or business. Talking about web, I think ajax is nowadays must-have for success at first-time-visit customers. Btw, daemons and services could be less demanding than multimedia usage of the device. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Static and dynamic linkage
Is there a standard way to ask for a specific library to be linked in statically and the rest to be dynamic? Specifically, I want to statically link in the SQLite library but leave the rest of the linkage as is. -- A ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
repositories: please provide microb-gtkmozembed
Right now the repositories only include microb-engine and microb-engine-dev. However this does not provide gtkmozembed, which is necessary for building gnome-python-extras, which is necessary for embedding mozilla inside gtk python applications. If I build microb-engine from SVN, I do get a microb-gtkmozembed package, but I'm not sure it's working. It's not providing a correct pkgconfig file, for instance. Please add microb-gtkmozembed to the repositories. It also needs to be fixed to provide a correct pkgconfig file. thanks, Owen Williams ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode. Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour in any other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has preserved over changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic). Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tomi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode. Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour in any other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has preserved over changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic). Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland applications, eh? shame... -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode. Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour in any other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has preserved over changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic). Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland applications, eh? shame... -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds more like a bug that needs fixing rather than something to rule out. Luis ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode. Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour in any other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has preserved over changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic). Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland applications, eh? shame... -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds more like a bug that needs fixing rather than something to rule out. Luis This has been an issue for a long time: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so... Allan -- Allan Doyle Director of Technology MIT Museum +1.617.452.2111 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
that's typically an indicator that it needs to be fixed. On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode. Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour in any other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has preserved over changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic). Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland applications, eh? shame... -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds more like a bug that needs fixing rather than something to rule out. Luis This has been an issue for a long time: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so... Allan -- Allan Doyle Director of Technology MIT Museum +1.617.452.2111 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
Meanwhile, Microsoft teamed with Sprint 3 months ago to provide web
applications that are location aware:
http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=18020
The same sort of thing is attainable on an N810 using open standards when the
connection is live, but the point still stands that the local service should be
available offline.
Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that's typically an indicator that it needs to be fixed.
On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
What's wrong with something that runs on-demand?
A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on
demand?...but
LISCDNWiOM!! ;)
lol. what? :)
localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode.
Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour
in any
other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has
preserved over
changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic).
Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ??
Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland
applications,
eh? shame...
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Software Developer / Sys Admin
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Sounds more like a bug that needs fixing rather than something to
rule out.
Luis
This has been an issue for a long time:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html
I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so...
Allan
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Re: web based local application GUIs
Hi, This has been an issue for a long time: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so... Oh yeah, every now and then, somebody raises this issue. I originally posted this bug report back in 2005 because I just wanted to run a moinmoin wiki on my 770. I still can't do that even today. :( I totally gave up on this idea... Cheers, Martin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin md5sum
Hi, I've downloaded the RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and the MD5SUM in the same directory and the MD5SUM says 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c yet the file itself is c0bddc3b8afd88bfc2423981af566bb5. What is the correct md5sum? -- Tristan Wibberley Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
Hi,
GPS-enabled search tool has been incorporated by Google under name local search
in last few years.
Ok. Voice search makes it a minor novelty.
Major problem is if What You Want is What You Get (service mark by Darius)
really works.
Internet is not more global village as paid indexing is what generates more and
more money.
To Allan.
Do you have any items from MediaMoo, Microworlds, GNA at your MIT Museum ?
Darius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, Microsoft teamed with Sprint 3 months ago
to provide web applications that are location aware:
http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=18020
The same sort of thing is attainable on an N810 using open standards when the
connection is live, but the point still stands that the local service should be
available offline.
Jesse Guardiani wrote:
that's typically an indicator that it needs to be fixed.
On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , wrote:
Jesse Guardiani wrote:
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila wrote:
On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani
writes:
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila wrote:
On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa
writes:
What's wrong with something that runs on-demand?
A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on
demand?...but
LISCDNWiOM!! ;)
lol. what? :)
localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode.
Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour
in any
other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has
preserved over
changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic).
Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ??
Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland
applications,
eh? shame...
--
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Software Developer / Sys Admin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sounds more like a bug that needs fixing rather than something to
rule out.
Luis
This has been an issue for a long time:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html
I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so...
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Re: web based local application GUIs
local search will not talk to the GPS unit connected to a 770,800,or 810. You can go to local.google.com and put in a location, then do something like search for the nearest pizza point. Works great. Also some windows mobile and j2me phones/PDAs can download a google maps app that talks to the gps device. But what I'm talking about is a standard that any website can use automatically by embedding something like script src=http://localhost:2947/gpsinfo; into their page and getting back a javascript object with the latitude longitude info. Luis Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GPS-enabled search tool has been incorporated by Google under name local search in last few years. Ok. Voice search makes it a minor novelty. Major problem is if What You Want is What You Get (service mark by Darius) really works. Internet is not more global village as paid indexing is what generates more and more money. To Allan. Do you have any items from MediaMoo, Microworlds, GNA at your MIT Museum ? Darius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, Microsoft teamed with Sprint 3 months ago to provide web applications that are location aware: http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=18020 The same sort of thing is attainable on an N810 using open standards when the connection is live, but the point still stands that the local service should be available offline. Jesse Guardiani wrote: that's typically an indicator that it needs to be fixed. On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle wrote: On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , wrote: Jesse Guardiani wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode. Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour in any other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has preserved over changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic). Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland applications, eh? shame... -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds more like a bug that needs fixing rather than something to rule out. Luis This has been an issue for a long time: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so... Allan -- Allan Doyle Director of Technology MIT Museum +1.617.452.2111 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin md5sum
On Nov 27, 2007 6:10 PM, Tristan Wibberley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've downloaded the RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and the MD5SUM in the same directory and the MD5SUM says 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c yet the file itself is c0bddc3b8afd88bfc2423981af566bb5. What is the correct md5sum? For the one I downloaded and installed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Download]$ md5sum RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and this matches the MD5SUMS file on the Nokia site. So it is possible that your download got corrupted somehow. /Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin md5sum
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 19:06 -0500, Michael Wiktowy wrote: On Nov 27, 2007 6:10 PM, Tristan Wibberley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've downloaded the RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and the MD5SUM in the same directory and the MD5SUM says 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c yet the file itself is c0bddc3b8afd88bfc2423981af566bb5. What is the correct md5sum? For the one I downloaded and installed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Download]$ md5sum RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 900353c77fc7357a8a6a40b0b9483c2c RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and this matches the MD5SUMS file on the Nokia site. So it is possible that your download got corrupted somehow. I downloaded twice in a row and failed the test twice (although I don't know what the md5 was the first time). The download was unusually slow (about dialup speeds) and I once got a proxy error, so maybe something is up. -- Tristan Wibberley Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
Hi, why not ? It's a very popular gps monitoring application to send gps data to www server from gps-enabled cell phone, over GPRS. It works fine for car, personal monitoring. 2 years ago I run such server and could watch tracks of 100 car live in maps application. There is nothing special to send gps data that way. To have local search you can run middle-server communicating with Google local and Nokia tablet, residing gps data and query string and sending back search results. Why do you mean to introduce your idea as a standard ? Some ppl need some privacy from time to time. There is another solution. Under latest EUC proposal operator of cell phone and manufacturer of sim card could be obliged to incorporate gps chip into sim card to let operators of alarm phone to know exact geoposition of a calling party on a map. Another idea and solution already known in PDA +cell phone + gps market. I see no problem to incorporate your ideas into N770, N800, N810 (not smartphones). Darius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: local search will not talk to the GPS unit connected to a 770,800,or 810. You can go to local.google.com and put in a location, then do something like search for the nearest pizza point. Works great. Also some windows mobile and j2me phones/PDAs can download a google maps app that talks to the gps device. But what I'm talking about is a standard that any website can use automatically by embedding something like into their page and getting back a javascript object with the latitude longitude info. Luis Darius Jack wrote: Hi, GPS-enabled search tool has been incorporated by Google under name local search in last few years. Ok. Voice search makes it a minor novelty. Major problem is if What You Want is What You Get (service mark by Darius) really works. Internet is not more global village as paid indexing is what generates more and more money. To Allan. Do you have any items from MediaMoo, Microworlds, GNA at your MIT Museum ? Darius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile, Microsoft teamed with Sprint 3 months ago to provide web applications that are location aware: http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=18020 The same sort of thing is attainable on an N810 using open standards when the connection is live, but the point still stands that the local service should be available offline. Jesse Guardiani wrote: that's typically an indicator that it needs to be fixed. On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle wrote: On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , wrote: Jesse Guardiani wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) localhost inet sockets do not work in offline mode. Which, btw, is pretty weird (IMHO). I have not seen this behaviour in any other unix system; results of ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 has preserved over changes in any other interfaces (static and dynamic). Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Yeah, well, I guess that rules out web interfaces for userland applications, eh? shame... -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds more like a bug that needs fixing rather than something to rule out. Luis This has been an issue for a long time: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so... Allan -- Allan Doyle Director of Technology MIT Museum +1.617.452.2111 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
One of our original ideas for the MWOW project (http://museum.mit.edu/mwow ) was to have the local web app talk to a local web proxy which then adds location info to the HTTP request and sends the request to a remote server. That way you can use the on-board linux tools to query a GPS, use wifi location, bluetooth beacons, etc. The thing that immediately got in the way (on the 770) was that if you were actually connected to a WiFi access point, the ability to read signal strengths from the wifi radio got worse. Also, using the iwtools would cause the connection to drop some of the time. Regarding standards - there is the GeoClue project (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue ) which tries to hide the locationing device details under a uniform interface. On the search side, there are no real standards for how to construct the geo portion of a search. OpenSearch does have a geo extension proposal (http://www.opensearch.org/Specifications/OpenSearch/Extensions/Geo/1.0/Draft_1 ) And, Darius, regarding your question about the MIT Museum, no we don't have anything from those projects/groups but we do have other cool stuff. Stop by if you're in the Boston area! Allan On Nov 27, 2007, at 19:29 , Darius Jack wrote: Hi, why not ? It's a very popular gps monitoring application to send gps data to www server from gps-enabled cell phone, over GPRS. It works fine for car, personal monitoring. 2 years ago I run such server and could watch tracks of 100 car live in maps application. There is nothing special to send gps data that way. To have local search you can run middle-server communicating with Google local and Nokia tablet, residing gps data and query string and sending back search results. Why do you mean to introduce your idea as a standard ? Some ppl need some privacy from time to time. There is another solution. Under latest EUC proposal operator of cell phone and manufacturer of sim card could be obliged to incorporate gps chip into sim card to let operators of alarm phone to know exact geoposition of a calling party on a map. Another idea and solution already known in PDA +cell phone + gps market. I see no problem to incorporate your ideas into N770, N800, N810 (not smartphones). Darius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: local search will not talk to the GPS unit connected to a 770,800,or 810. You can go to local.google.com and put in a location, then do something like search for the nearest pizza point. Works great. Also some windows mobile and j2me phones/PDAs can download a google maps app that talks to the gps device. But what I'm talking about is a standard that any website can use automatically by embedding something like into their page and getting back a javascript object with the latitude longitude info. Luis Darius Jack wrote: Hi, GPS-enabled search tool has been incorporated by Google under name local search in last few years. Ok. Voice search makes it a minor novelty. Major problem is if What You Want is What You Get (service mark by Darius) really works. Internet is not more global village as paid indexing is what generates more and more money. To Allan. Do you have any items from MediaMoo, Microworlds, GNA at your MIT Museum ? Darius [... rest cut to stay below the 20K limit imposed by lists.maemo.org ...] -- Allan Doyle Director of Technology MIT Museum +1.617.452.2111 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: repositories: please provide microb-gtkmozembed
https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/libgtkembedmoz/ ? regards -- --Antonio Gomes ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our original ideas for the MWOW project (http://museum.mit.edu/mwow) was to have the local web app talk to a local web proxy which then adds location info to the HTTP request and sends the request to a remote server. That way you can use the on-board linux tools to query a GPS, use wifi location, bluetooth beacons, etc. What are you using for a local web app? Anything I can play with? Using a proxy is pretty hard core. I probably would have been lazy and just used an iframe. -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
microb feature requests?
I'm sure I'll catch a lot of flames on these, but I was playing with an iphone today and while I think that microb is absolutely brilliant, I also think that completing these tickets would take microb to a whole new level of total brilliant amazingly awesomeness-ism: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2407 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2408 -- Jesse Guardiani Software Developer / Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: repositories: please provide microb-gtkmozembed
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 23:42 -0400, tonikitoo (Antonio Gomes) wrote: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/libgtkembedmoz/ ? regards but apt-get can only find microb-engine and microb-engine-dev, neither of which provide gtkmozembed. I should be able to run: apt-get install microb-gtkmozembed and have it work owen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
On Wed 28 Nov 2007 00:21, Aleksandr Koltsoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For some reason can't find the mail that had the below quoted part, but anyways: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Tested on N810 just a moment ago: 1) put device in flight mode 2) /sbin/ifconfig loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:38 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:38 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:14929 (14.5 KiB) TX bytes:14929 (14.5 KiB) The lo interface is UP and running. If by inet socks not working you mean localhost not resolving to 127.0.0.1, then say so. The lo interface seems to be running and well. You're right! By a coincidence I have both 770 and 800 on my desk now, neither running the latest OS version and both, indeed, have localhost interface up like the above (/sbin/ifconfig gives same output) So I remember incorrectly -- the real reason is (probably) that when socket(2) system call is started, these Internet Tablets tries to make internet connection up (either via wlan, or bt-connected phone) and if that cannot be made, socket(2) fails. There is no way knowing at socket(2) time that user wants to connect(2) 127.0/8 addresses. There is probably good reason to wrap socket() instead of connect(), bind() (and some other system calls.. timeouts maybe...). Well, I'm (quickly) writing this without checking earlier discussion of the matter. The situation is probably well-explained there (?). ak. Tomi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
