Re: Fremantle initialisation scripts
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 21:47 +0200, ext Graham Cobb wrote: On Tuesday 15 September 2009 19:19:34 Graham Cobb wrote: How am I supposed to install an initialisation script in Fremantle? I have worked out the answer. I heard that Fremantle includes upstart but I can't find any documentation on how to use it! Can someone point me to it? The documentation on upstart.ubuntu.com seems not to apply to the Maemo installation because there is no /etc/init directory. The upstart documentation on http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html is OK except that the jobs directory seems to be called /etc/event.d. That's right. /etc/event.d is mostly for system services that are started based on Upstart events, for stuff that should be started when the user session starts, install a script under /etc/X11/Xsession.(d| post). -Kimmo I will add section to the http://wiki.maemo.org/QA_Porting_to_Fremantle Wiki page. If anyone has more info or better recommendations for how to handle this in packages, please udpate that page. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Need sample application on Maemo 5 SDK
Hello, Can any one provide me Sample application on Maemo 5 SDK with all the predefined folder structure. I need it to understand basic structure of application. Regards Venugopal Download Tanla Mobile Marketing and Advertising Guide. http://www.tanla.com/MobileGuide.htm * This e-mail is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, then dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If received in error, please destroy the e-mail and notify the sender immediately. This mail has been checked for viruses. However recipients should undertake their own virus check. Tanla Solutions Limited and its subsidiaries will not be liable for any losses. ** ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Need sample application on Maemo 5 SDK
Are you asking about the operating system directories like /usr , /home , /etc ... Venugopal Rao Gubbala wrote: Hello, Can any one provide me Sample application on Maemo 5 SDK with all the predefined folder structure. I need it to understand basic structure of application. Regards Venugopal Download Tanla Mobile Marketing and Advertising Guide. http://www.tanla.com/MobileGuide.htm * This e-mail is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, then dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If received in error, please destroy the e-mail and notify the sender immediately. This mail has been checked for viruses. However recipients should undertake their own virus check. Tanla Solutions Limited and its subsidiaries will not be liable for any losses. ** ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Need sample application on Maemo 5 SDK
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Venugopal Rao Gubbala venugopal.gubb...@tanla.com wrote: Hello, Can any one provide me Sample application on Maemo 5 SDK with all the predefined folder structure. There are many Maemo 5 sample applications available from Garage: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/ I guess this is what you might be looking for. Dmitri ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle initialisation scripts
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 07:48:51 Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote: That's right. /etc/event.d is mostly for system services that are started based on Upstart events, for stuff that should be started when the user session starts, install a script under /etc/X11/Xsession.(d| post). Does the stuff under /etc/X11/Xsession.(d|post) run as root or as user? Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle initialisation scripts
Does the stuff under /etc/X11/Xsession.(d|post) run as root or as user? as user. cheers Daniel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Need sample application on Maemo 5 SDK
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 10:16 +0300, Dmitri Vorobiev wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Venugopal Rao Gubbala venugopal.gubb...@tanla.com wrote: Hello, Can any one provide me Sample application on Maemo 5 SDK with all the predefined folder structure. There are many Maemo 5 sample applications available from Garage: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/ I guess this is what you might be looking for. I recently updated the maemopad example that is there. It should be quite sane. -- murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Need sample application on Maemo 5 SDK
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 16:58 +0530, Venugopal Rao Gubbala wrote: Hi, Can you give link for maemopad example with your changes? Currently I am using command apt-get source maemopad Will it get me the correct maemopad example for maemo sdk 5? Yes. But the svn source code may have a few small changes. Here is some information about checking maemoexamples out from svn: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=273 Please use reply-to-all with the mailing list. Don't just take things off list. -- murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Need sample application on Maemo 5 SDK
Hi, Thanks. Sure I will use reply-to-all. Regards Venugopal From: Murray Cumming [murr...@murrayc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:14 PM To: Venugopal Rao Gubbala Cc: maemo-developers Subject: RE: Need sample application on Maemo 5 SDK On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 16:58 +0530, Venugopal Rao Gubbala wrote: Hi, Can you give link for maemopad example with your changes? Currently I am using command apt-get source maemopad Will it get me the correct maemopad example for maemo sdk 5? Yes. But the svn source code may have a few small changes. Here is some information about checking maemoexamples out from svn: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=273 Please use reply-to-all with the mailing list. Don't just take things off list. -- murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com Download Tanla Mobile Marketing and Advertising Guide. http://www.tanla.com/MobileGuide.htm * This e-mail is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, then dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If received in error, please destroy the e-mail and notify the sender immediately. This mail has been checked for viruses. However recipients should undertake their own virus check. Tanla Solutions Limited and its subsidiaries will not be liable for any losses. ** ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
How to use extras-testing correctly?
Hi, i have been asked to upload osm2go to extras-testing. It's not quite clear to me how this is actually supposed to work. I see several possibilities: 1) Just upload something. Others will do some testing and i can upload a fixed version of they see problems. The new version will then go though the same testing again. This is how i think it was initially meant to work. 2) Upload only things that have gone through my own testing to increase the likeliness that it will go straight through testing without any problems. This is the way i will use it. I see several problems with 1): - If something broken doesn't pass the tests and i keep uploading new versions people will likely get tired of me and my perhaps perfect version will stay in testing forever because nobody wants to test my app over and over again - If something broken actually passes the testing things get even worse as a bug fix has to go through testing again and the broken version will stay there until the bug fix passes testing To me this means two things: 1) don't update too often, so people/testers don't get bored 2) put some extensive internal testing before promoting something to extras-testing This also means that i will delay the promotion of osm2go as i am currently running my own tests. I somehow think this is not the way it should work ... Any ideas how to use it in a more efficient way? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: How to use extras-testing correctly?
From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Till Harbaum Sent: 16 September, 2009 15:16 To: maemo-dev Subject: How to use extras-testing correctly? Hi, i have been asked to upload osm2go to extras-testing. It's not quite clear to me how this is actually supposed to work. I see several possibilities: 1) Just upload something. Others will do some testing and i can upload a fixed version of they see problems. The new version will then go though the same testing again. This is how i think it was initially meant to work. 2) Upload only things that have gone through my own testing to increase the likeliness that it will go straight through testing without any problems. This is the way i will use it. I see several problems with 1): - If something broken doesn't pass the tests and i keep uploading new versions people will likely get tired of me and my perhaps perfect version will stay in testing forever because nobody wants to test my app over and over again I rather see it as a chance to try out the latest versions. And as a tester a way to do my bit for the community. I'm not an excellent developer, but I can test applications. And you are right, broken stuff shouldn't pass into the hands of the average high end consumer (because yes, the N900 will not only be in the hands of oss hackers, but a lot of other people). That's why there's the testing phase. People most likely get tired if the application is of no use and broken. A repeated upload of a broken Hello world, might get disregarded soon. But something that people consider usefull and that has been downloaded over 10 000 times... A few broken versions in the middle will hardly matter. Actually it would be worse to push those broken versions directly to extras, that would hurt all those people, not just the testers. The social dynamics of the system will make sure that things get tested. If an app gets a vote (up or down), others are likely to out of curiosity see what the tester said, and maybe even try it out themselves. - If something broken actually passes the testing things get even worse as a bug fix has to go through testing again and the broken version will stay there until the bug fix passes testing Some bugs will go through naturally. Perfect software doesn't exits. Don't even think so. The thing is that testing weeds out bugs that would be considered blockers or major issues. I can live with a lot of minor issues, and I won't even notice them most of the time. When I do, I'll report them as bugs. To me this means two things: 1) don't update too often, so people/testers don't get bored Keeping changes to yourself increases the likelyhood that there are issues that you don't find. The author of the software is never the best tester. The best tester is completely independent, something which strangely enough we can achieve in the community. Release often and release early. It does not say release broken. Early so that the tester knows what is coming in. The worst testing experience will be the first time; new software, massive feature list and no base on which to work. Often so that the tester can check the changed part fast and that the delta doesn't grow too much from the previous version. 2) put some extensive internal testing before promoting something to extras-testing Sure, but which one do you like more, developing or testing? If you are one of the few people (I know two) who utterly love both, then test until you think the test is exhaustive. Then give out and let others test too. However my guess (and experience) is that people who write oss software love developing more than testing. Extras-testing provides testing as a service to the developer. This also means that i will delay the promotion of osm2go as i am currently running my own tests. Well, right now is a special time. There is practically no hardware available (some developer units in the hands of Nokia personnel and a few selected people). Right now it is hard to get ten votes at all. That just happened 30 minutes ago for the first time (rootsh 1.5 is considered good for extras, a fitting package to go first). And there is no stopping people from keeping their stuff in extras-devel for as long as they want. Once there is hardware available, I think that the limit is the quaranteen time that the app has to stay in extras-testing. Knowing the community, my guess is that there will be enough testers for the apps. (some people code well, others like to test) I somehow think this is not the way it should work ... Any ideas how to use it in a more efficient way? The idea is to make sure that the end user gets good software. Tero Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 13:15:59 Till Harbaum wrote: 1) don't update too often, so people/testers don't get bored 2) put some extensive internal testing before promoting something to extras-testing My conclusions are similar but maybe a little different. I am not promoting GPE to extras-testing until I have done some testing in extras-devel. But I am not waiting for the app to be of releasable quality before I promote it. I have divided the problems I know about into 3 categories: 1) things which have to be fixed before going into extras-testing as they either make the app non-functional or carry some risk for the tester (e.g. a bug preventing switching to another app) 2) things which are high priority to fix and will probably be commented on by testers but which do not prevent doing useful testing 3) things which may not be fixed for the first release I will promote once all the problems in category 1 are fixed. This also means that i will delay the promotion of osm2go as i am currently running my own tests. So, I am delaying promotion until I think the application is (i) usable, and (ii) not putting testers at risk of major problems. This involves some amount of both testing and bugfixing -- probably a delay of about a couple of weeks in my case. I somehow think this is not the way it should work ... Any ideas how to use it in a more efficient way? I do share your concern about how the frequency of updates will work. Once I promote, and people do some testing and find problems which I need to fix, how often do I update? If I do it one-by-one for each report, testers may find themselves testing the same features several times in one week! My plan is to try to update about once a week -- but that may mean quite slow progress. The bottom line is that we need to try to use the process and see how well it works. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Fwd: How to use extras-testing correctly?
Sorry, sent to the wrong list. Begin forwarded message: From: Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com Date: September 16, 2009 3:48:59 PM GMT+02:00 To: List for community development maemo-commun...@maemo.org Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly? Reply-To: List for community development maemo-commun...@maemo.org On Sep 16, 2009, at 14:15, Till Harbaum wrote: Hi, i have been asked to upload osm2go to extras-testing. It's not quite clear to me how this is actually supposed to work. I see several possibilities: 1) Just upload something. Others will do some testing and i can upload a fixed version of they see problems. The new version will then go though the same testing again. This is how i think it was initially meant to work. Yes, this is what happens. Please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing for more information. 2) Upload only things that have gone through my own testing to increase the likeliness that it will go straight through testing without any problems. This is the way i will use it. Sounds good. I see several problems with 1): - If something broken doesn't pass the tests and i keep uploading new versions people will likely get tired of me and my perhaps perfect version will stay in testing forever because nobody wants to test my app over and over again The testing is designed to check policy (at least my testing is, there are other tests as well) but it will not necessarily stop your upload, just produce a report indicating 'best practices'. Best practices are something we can all agree on; things that ease the user's experience of installing packages and make the developer's life easier too. - If something broken actually passes the testing things get even worse as a bug fix has to go through testing again and the broken version will stay there until the bug fix passes testing To me this means two things: 1) don't update too often, so people/testers don't get bored 2) put some extensive internal testing before promoting something to extras-testing This also means that i will delay the promotion of osm2go as i am currently running my own tests. I somehow think this is not the way it should work ... Any ideas how to use it in a more efficient way? I think if we emulate the debian quality assurance methodology that might be good. Ideally, you'll run the tests on your package locally _before_ you upload to the builder, this would be like using linitan in debian. I am not sure how the builder tests and Niel's tests will work, but I am certain those can be explained by the people working on them. Jeremiah ___ maemo-community mailing list maemo-commun...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Considering /opt and MyDocs in your packages
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes: So, given all the controversy and discussion, why don't we start with the simple hack. Yep. How shall we start? I noticed that the vor package is already optified. Nice! I just ran maemo-optify over all extras-devel packages. The result is here: deb http://zagadka.vm.bytemark.co.uk/optify/opts-2k/ ./ Please test your package if you are curious. (But please be gentle with that little server.) Some data is here: http://zagadka.vm.bytemark.co.uk/optify/opts-2k/DATA.filtered It has the format: packagen-links kilobytes-saved The top ten entries are: mysql-server-5.0 753 60770 libicu40 8 16469 enigma 19 16276 mysql-client-5.032 15756 libqt4-webkit2 15508 pokerth 7 12548 glom54 10569 glom-sqlite 62 10565 libqt4-gui 7 10039 cmake79173 The 700+ symlinks in mysql-server are certainly excessive and need manual intervention, mysql-client, glom and glom-sqlite could need some tuning, but the rest looks reasonable, I'd say. The **really** interesting question is going to be whether someone can come up with a solution which Nokia can (and will agree to) apply in a Fremantle update! Indeed! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
In many 3rd party apps, buttons/check boxes/menuitems use mnemonics (=underlined letter in a word that can be used together with the Alt key for the sake of accessbility). In every official Fremantle screenshot I have seen there are no mnemonics though. Is there any should not use mnemonics guideline? I could not find anything in the HIG at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/ andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
I think the mnemonics are shown in N810 only if the keyboard is slid open. Maybe the same thing applies to Fremantle? Regards: Bundyo On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.comwrote: In many 3rd party apps, buttons/check boxes/menuitems use mnemonics (=underlined letter in a word that can be used together with the Alt key for the sake of accessbility). In every official Fremantle screenshot I have seen there are no mnemonics though. Is there any should not use mnemonics guideline? I could not find anything in the HIG at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/ andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
Sure, but the point is that the N900 has no Alt key; keyboard slid open or not. :) Best Regards, Faheem On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Kamen Bundev bun...@gmail.com wrote: I think the mnemonics are shown in N810 only if the keyboard is slid open. Maybe the same thing applies to Fremantle? Regards: Bundyo On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com wrote: In many 3rd party apps, buttons/check boxes/menuitems use mnemonics (=underlined letter in a word that can be used together with the Alt key for the sake of accessbility). In every official Fremantle screenshot I have seen there are no mnemonics though. Is there any should not use mnemonics guideline? I could not find anything in the HIG at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/ andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 17:10 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: In many 3rd party apps, buttons/check boxes/menuitems use mnemonics (=underlined letter in a word that can be used together with the Alt key for the sake of accessbility). All Gtk stock items get mnemonics by default. In every official Fremantle screenshot I have seen there are no mnemonics though. Is there any should not use mnemonics guideline? I could not find anything in the HIG at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/ I thought it's discouraged (but it was only mentioned on tmo), so I filed this bug[1] some time ago. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5128 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 18:12 +0300, Kamen Bundev wrote: I think the mnemonics are shown in N810 only if the keyboard is slid open. Maybe the same thing applies to Fremantle? No, looks like they are always shown :( ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 17:16 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: I thought it's discouraged (but it was only mentioned on tmo), so I filed this bug[1] some time ago. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5128 Ah, that was the one that I had in mind (I thought it was on a mailing list though, that's why I didn't find it before posting this). As you state discouraged by HIG, where exactly is it in the HIG? Or was that more like an expectation? :-) andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Embedded browsers
I have now tried installing python2.5-gnome2-extras on 3 other N8x0's. In every case I get: Nokia-N800-23-14:/etc/apt# apt-get install python2.5-gnome2-extras Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: python2.5-gnome2-extras: Depends: python-support (= 0.3.4) but it is not installable E: Broken packages and Nokia-N800-23-14:/etc/apt# apt-get install python-support Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package python-support is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package python-support has no installation candidate Although the installation worked for Kamen in scratchbox, it still appears that the package is broken. I would report a bug except for two things: 1. There does not seem to be a category for reporting bugs of this nature. 2. Nokia plans no further releases for diablo, so I presume that the bug will never be fixed. I also tried Mer. Under Mer it is possible to install the package and it is then possible to import gtkmozembed. However, when I run my program, I get the message SystemError: dynamic module not initialized properly Anyone know how to fix this problem? -- Jeffrey Barish ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
El mié, 16-09-2009 a las 17:10 +0200, Andre Klapper escribió: In many 3rd party apps, buttons/check boxes/menuitems use mnemonics (=underlined letter in a word that can be used together with the Alt key for the sake of accessbility). In every official Fremantle screenshot I have seen there are no mnemonics though. Is there any should not use mnemonics guideline? I could not find anything in the HIG at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/ We are currently disabling them in the theme layout gtkrc files. Application developers don't need to worry about that. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mnemonics (Access keys) usage in Fremantle
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 17:37 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 17:16 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: I thought it's discouraged (but it was only mentioned on tmo), so I filed this bug[1] some time ago. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5128 Ah, that was the one that I had in mind (I thought it was on a mailing list though, that's why I didn't find it before posting this). As you state discouraged by HIG, where exactly is it in the HIG? Or was that more like an expectation? :-) Well, now looks more like an expectation. I think it was kanishou on tmo who mentioned it. But I'm really not sure anymore and my five minute search didn't show anything. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Once there is hardware available, I think that the limit is the quaranteen time that the app has to stay in extras-testing. Knowing the community, my guess is that there will be enough testers for the apps. (some people code well, others like to test) Is it possible to predict or set the actual moment when a package goes into extras? For example, if I liked to make a grand announcement of my new software, how could I time my announcement when the control of the release date and time is not in my own hands? BR, Henrik -- Henrik Hedberg - +358 (0)40 574 5087 - http://www.henrikhedberg.net/ Innologies - Innovative Technologies - http://www.innologies.fi/ Oulu, Finland - FI19934487, VAT reg. - http://www.innologies.com/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Embedded browsers
No, I tried in the armel SDK and part of the packages are in the SDK repo, so its possible that it isn't installable on the device. Regards: Bundyo On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Jeffrey Barish jeff_bar...@earthlink.netwrote: On Monday 14 September 2009 11:20:02 pm you wrote: Well, it seems you have an older version of python-support installed, so there must be something else wrong. Just tried: apt-get install python2.5-gnome2-extras and it installed flawlessly in my Diablo scratchbox. Regards: Kamen Is it possible that the package works for x86 but not armel? Did you ever try installing on a N8x0? -- Jeffrey Barish ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
- Original message - tero.k...@nokia.commailto:tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Once there is hardware available, I think that the limit is the quaranteen time that the app has to stay in extras-testing. Knowing the community, my guess is that there will be enough testers for the apps. (some people code well, others like to test) Is it possible to predict or set the actual moment when a package goes into extras? For example, if I liked to make a grand announcement of my new software, how could I time my announcement when the control of the release date and time is not in my own hands? I understood the process to be such that the package owner get's notified of the pass, but can/has to press the promotion button to extras. That would enable the grand entrance with fanfare and timing. Niels can correct me if I'm lost on this one. Tero BR, Henrik -- Henrik Hedberg - +358 (0)40 574 5087 - http://www.henrikhedberg.net/ Innologies - Innovative Technologies - http://www.innologies.fi/ Oulu, Finland - FI19934487, VAT reg. - http://www.innologies.com/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.orgmailto:maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia PUSH N900. Now open for submissions.
The hackers' guide mentions the light sensor, proximity sensor, and IR port. Can someone from Nokia already anwer some questions about these three interfaces? Glancing at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/System_Software#Mode_Control_Entity_.28MCE.29, it seems that MCE is used to control light sensor and proximity sensor. While it seems that some parts of MCE are available through D-Bus according to http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mce-dev/ (LED, vibrator), the control light sensor and proximity sensor are not mentioned. Are/will the be available through D-Bus, too? Or is there another preferred method to communicate with MCE for these sensors? What kind of values or information can the proximity sensor offer? What is the exact specification and intended purpose of the IR port? (It seems to be a bit of an easter egg, but Irreco is already available for Maemo 5, so I guess the port is available as a serial device - source isn't available yet, however). And: Any range information? For happy hacking, it would be nice to have this information available. Thanks! (and special thanks to the persons getting the IR port onboard!!!) -Tom Hacker's Guide released: http://bit.ly/3epzBN Any info if the sample projects will make it to the Maemo Summit? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: I've installed the Maemo 5 development environment, then what?
Thanks, Daniel! That extras-devel repo you pointed out helped a bit but a lot of packages returns errors like: *** [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] apt-get install mcalendar Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mcalendar: Depends: python2.5-osso but it is not installable Depends: python-sqlite but it is not installable Depends: python-dateutil but it is not installable E: Broken packages *** Also I can't find the mozilla based web browser microb, is it not available? I have not dived in to this too deeply yet but I guess all this is to blame on the beta state the SDK is in at the moment. On the other hand the n900 is soon out on the market and the developers at nokia (hopefully) must have a more mature SDK (don't they?) so I am a bit surprised. I'm feeling I'm sliding out of topic here but I just believe that completeness of the SDK is essential for the community around maemo 5 based products such as the n900 to gain momentum. I just hope it's not too late. Anyhow again thanks, I can still work on my apps backend. Regards Peter Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:45:39 +0300 From: daniel.wi...@nokia.com To: peter.fo...@hotmail.com CC: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: I've installed the Maemo 5 development environment, then what? Hi Peter, the SDK you are using is still in beta state. But anyway you can run your applications in the X86 target and the Fremantle UI within the SDK. Instructions how to start it, you will find in the installation instructions [1], even though unfortunately the address book is not part of it. But it will be there in the final version. So please have a little bit of patience. For the address book API, you could check out this page out of the documentation [2]. In general you can add applications in the SDK by using aptitude. For example if you add this line to your sources list (/etc/apt/sources.list): deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free and run apt-get update and finally: apt-get install application-name you can install and test some applications in the SDK, but in some cases with limited functionality. Your own app you can test and run as well with the command run-standalone.sh excecutable file [1] http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#StartUI [2] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API I hope this helped you a bit, Cheers Daniel ext Peter Follo wrote: I guess I'm missing something pretty obvious here but I've been looking for an answer for a few days now without success. :-/ Worth to mention I'm a totally maemo newbie. I've followed the instructions on how to setup the maemo 5 SDK on ubuntu and it went just fine (I think) but I was ecxpeting more, greedy as I am. How do I add apps. Lets say I want to develop an app for the upcomming nokia n900 that brings up the address book for the user to pick a contact in it. Ok, I found the libosso-abook package and I guess it will do the trick but I miss the actual adressbook application to be launched. Can I get it somewhere? Is there a repo to add or some downloads to get a n900 emulator? Med Windows Live kan du ordna, redigera och dela med dig av dina foton. http://www.microsoft.com/sverige/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx _ Med Windows Live kan du ordna, redigera och dela med dig av dina foton. http://www.microsoft.com/sverige/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
