Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 00:12 +, Valerio Valerio wrote: seems that is still possible to vote trough Maemo-select without login, I'm still getting a lot of rating from anonymous, most of the times a bunch of them as described by Conny. It's also possible to vote anonymously via maemo.org Downloads. I was looking into why the votes come in batches of 5-10 votes at a time and it probably has to do with the (super) slow response times of the web interface + that the backend does not check whether or not someone already voted. This check seems to be only implemented on the frontend level. So what happens it this: 1) User clicks on Vote 2) Browser sends data to server inserts it into the database sends out email etc... 3) Server needs several minutes to prepare and send back updated html (or js) to the client. Between 2) and 3) the user clicks the Vote button again because nothing happened for 10 seconds or so. Again the vote data is sent to the server, inserted in the DB etc... Then still nothing happens and the user clicks Vote again and again and again. You get lots and lots of votes, all with the same rating from the same person :) I actually tried that and gave my app 3 anonymous votes in a row without problems. The result is, that, for example, Conboy for Fremantle now has 74 votes with 284 downloads. Wow that's user participation ;) In reality I think Conboy got around 7 unique votes. Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
Just a quick note that there's a bug report at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6192 about the same issue for Maemo Select on maemo.nokia.com. Sharing proposals/workarounds/etc is probably welcome. :-) andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Cornelius Hald h...@icandy.de wrote:
It also looks like there is something wrong with the rating interface.
Just right now I got 10 anonymous ratings in just 3 minutes. Yesterday
there was also a cluster of 6 ratings in about 5 minutes.
Before yesterday I didn't even get one rating every month.
To me it looks those are multiple ratings done (accidentally) by one
person.
seems that is still possible to vote trough Maemo-select without login, I'm
still getting a lot of rating from anonymous, most of the times a bunch of
them as described by Conny.
Best regards,
Anyone else having that?
Cheers!
Conny
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 09:58 +0100, Cornelius Hald wrote:
Hi,
does anyone think those mails (see attachment) are actually useful? It
does not say who rated my app (because it's almost always anonymous), it
does not say how high this person rated my app nor what the total score
is now.
So basically it provides no information at all. I've got about 10 of
those mails since yesterday. So I would have two suggestions: 1) Don't
send out those mails or 2) Make them say something useful.
What do you think?
Conny
email message attachment, Forwarded message - page Conboy has been
commented by (anonymous)
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Subject: page Conboy has been commented by (anonymous)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:14:46 +0200 (EET)
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Mails about ratings from Downloads
Hi, does anyone think those mails (see attachment) are actually useful? It does not say who rated my app (because it's almost always anonymous), it does not say how high this person rated my app nor what the total score is now. So basically it provides no information at all. I've got about 10 of those mails since yesterday. So I would have two suggestions: 1) Don't send out those mails or 2) Make them say something useful. What do you think? Conny ---BeginMessage--- Link to page: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-9763a89cadaa11dea310251e31f6601a601a ---End Message--- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
Hello, Cornelius Hald wrote: Hi, does anyone think those mails (see attachment) are actually useful? It does not say who rated my app (because it's almost always anonymous), it does not say how high this person rated my app nor what the total score is now. So basically it provides no information at all. I've got about 10 of those mails since yesterday. So I would have two suggestions: 1) Don't send out those mails or 2) Make them say something useful. We have been wondering about the same. The component [1] that handles comments and ratings are being reworked. Niels requested a bunch of changes and new features [1]. Among those is the disabling outgoing mails for ratings. I think the changes will not be online before he returns. I will look at the component if we could do a temporary hack and save the inboxes from these messages. What do you think? Conny Cheers, ferenc [1] https://svn.midgard-project.org/midgard/branches/ragnaroek/midcom/net.nehmer.comments/ [2] http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-November/003231.html Subject: page Conboy has been commented by (anonymous) From: maemo.org admin team gar...@maemo.org Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:14:46 +0200 (EET) To: h...@icandy.de To: h...@icandy.de Link to page: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-9763a89cadaa11dea310251e31f6601a601a ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
Hallo! I'm interested in such mails (AFAIK I was possibly even the person who requested the feature ;-)). I'm intersted in getting to know that somebody rated my application since I'm intersted in improving the rating of my applications. Getting a mail makes it possible to react on ratings (without regulary polling the web pages which would be a pain for 10 packages) and for example contact the author to get more information about the reason of his rating and to find ways to change the application so that he would increase his rating. There were several case where I was able to fix/improve the application and get a higher rating in turn. I would be intersted in getting more information in the mails (currently I walk the link to get more information). So please do not remove this feature (but possibly make it configurable per user if other people are not interested) but enhance it! -- Gruß... Tim ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:10, Tim Teulings r...@edge.ping.de wrote: I'm intersted in getting to know that somebody rated my application since I'm intersted in improving the rating of my applications. Getting a mail makes it possible to react on ratings (without regulary polling the web pages which would be a pain for 10 packages) and for example contact the author to get more information about the reason of his rating and to find ways to change the application so that he would increase his rating. Except the thread is about *anonymous* ratings without comments. You will know that your overall rating may have changed, but you may not know which direction (especially if you have lots of votes already) and you do not have a mechanism for contacting the author or gaining any additional information. The emails in question are, literally, a notification that your overall popularity has either gone up a bit, down a bit or unchanged (but not which one!) Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
Hello, Tim Teulings wrote: snip I would be intersted in getting more information in the mails (currently I walk the link to get more information). So please do not remove this feature (but possibly make it configurable per user if other people are not interested) but enhance it! OK, agreed. Making it configurable per user and beefing up the content is probably the right way to go. Thanks Tim for the mail. Any other comments? -- Gruß ... Tim Cheers, ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 10:15 +, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:10, Tim Teulings r...@edge.ping.de wrote: I'm intersted in getting to know that somebody rated my application since I'm intersted in improving the rating of my applications. Getting a mail makes it possible to react on ratings (without regulary polling the web pages which would be a pain for 10 packages) and for example contact the author to get more information about the reason of his rating and to find ways to change the application so that he would increase his rating. Except the thread is about *anonymous* ratings without comments. You will know that your overall rating may have changed, but you may not know which direction (especially if you have lots of votes already) and you do not have a mechanism for contacting the author or gaining any additional information. The emails in question are, literally, a notification that your overall popularity has either gone up a bit, down a bit or unchanged (but not which one!) Exactly, thanks Andrew :) If there is any useful information inside the mail, I'm super happy to receive it. But right now there is just no information. So maybe at least add to the mail the rating that this person (even if it's anonymous) gave. And thanks Ferenc for the information in you first mail! Also instead of making it user configurable it could be enough to give those mails a distinctive title. Then people can easily filter them if they are not interested. Right now its not easy to find out if this email provides a comment or not. Thanks! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
Hi, I like the idea of the rating mails. In fact the rating mail notified me that my software got an auto-created page on downloads.maemo.org. But it's true that these mails are pretty useless spam without the actual rating. Martin 2009/11/11, Cornelius Hald h...@icandy.de: On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 10:15 +, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:10, Tim Teulings r...@edge.ping.de wrote: I'm intersted in getting to know that somebody rated my application since I'm intersted in improving the rating of my applications. Getting a mail makes it possible to react on ratings (without regulary polling the web pages which would be a pain for 10 packages) and for example contact the author to get more information about the reason of his rating and to find ways to change the application so that he would increase his rating. Except the thread is about *anonymous* ratings without comments. You will know that your overall rating may have changed, but you may not know which direction (especially if you have lots of votes already) and you do not have a mechanism for contacting the author or gaining any additional information. The emails in question are, literally, a notification that your overall popularity has either gone up a bit, down a bit or unchanged (but not which one!) Exactly, thanks Andrew :) If there is any useful information inside the mail, I'm super happy to receive it. But right now there is just no information. So maybe at least add to the mail the rating that this person (even if it's anonymous) gave. And thanks Ferenc for the information in you first mail! Also instead of making it user configurable it could be enough to give those mails a distinctive title. Then people can easily filter them if they are not interested. Right now its not easy to find out if this email provides a comment or not. Thanks! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mails about ratings from Downloads
It also looks like there is something wrong with the rating interface. Just right now I got 10 anonymous ratings in just 3 minutes. Yesterday there was also a cluster of 6 ratings in about 5 minutes. Before yesterday I didn't even get one rating every month. To me it looks those are multiple ratings done (accidentally) by one person. Anyone else having that? Cheers! Conny On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 09:58 +0100, Cornelius Hald wrote: Hi, does anyone think those mails (see attachment) are actually useful? It does not say who rated my app (because it's almost always anonymous), it does not say how high this person rated my app nor what the total score is now. So basically it provides no information at all. I've got about 10 of those mails since yesterday. So I would have two suggestions: 1) Don't send out those mails or 2) Make them say something useful. What do you think? Conny email message attachment, Forwarded message - page Conboy has been commented by (anonymous) Forwarded Message From: maemo.org admin team gar...@maemo.org To: h...@icandy.de Subject: page Conboy has been commented by (anonymous) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:14:46 +0200 (EET) Link to page: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-9763a89cadaa11dea310251e31f6601a601a ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
