Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
ds wrote: What about pressing + and - at the same time? At least if I remember correctly the N800 was able to signalize this. If + and - are beside each other on N900 this might be comparable to the place where N800 had the button (between + and -) The N900 hardware does not allow that. The button is build in a way that you can press + or -, not both at the same time. Personally I think I like Ctrl+Space and I don´t know any application which is using it already. I didn´t do extensive checks, though :) Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
I think that any combination of CTRL+hardware button of your choice would be a little awkward (CTRL is in the slideing keybord, other buttons are on the sides of the device). I would prefer an all-with-the-keyboard combination. Luca Donaggio On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nathan Anderson nat...@andersonsplace.netwrote: Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. That way you aren't actually taking overriding a existing used key. And it could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used for some other hotkey. Nathan -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM To: ext ds Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer Hi, ext ds wrote: Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it should not be a big deal:-) But first I want to have it running an the N900. I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list allows that). Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. I got a message from maemo admin: After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or toggle full screen anymore? Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as proposed in another mail. - Eero PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or closing the application from the power menu End task button). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Full Screen Hotkey?
Luca, You would already have to have the keyboard open if you used Ctrl-S or Ctrl-Shift-F, Ctrl-F could be used for Find. Ctrl-S could be Save. Using Ctrl-key is hazardous since different apps have different requirements. My guesses for universal keys that all apps could accept for full screen would be: (It would be good if we make it as universal as possible so as not to confuse end users) Ctrl-Volume (Would possibly be used by a music program to switch mp3's tracks playing) Ctrl-Camera (could be used by a camera app to do something different (HDR?)) Ctrl-Power (If Possible, this might be imo the best one -- I can't think of any reason for any other program to use as a hotkey) Ctrl-Space (I can't think of any reason a app would need to map this as a normal hotkey either) Anything else on the keyboard (http://www.nokian900.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Nokia-N900-front-open-k eyboard.jpg) would be easily up for application control and I can't see how we could make is a universal recommendation. Nathan. _ From: Luca Donaggio [mailto:donag...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:17 AM To: Nathan Anderson Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Full Screen Hotkey? I think that any combination of CTRL+hardware button of your choice would be a little awkward (CTRL is in the slideing keybord, other buttons are on the sides of the device). I would prefer an all-with-the-keyboard combination. Luca Donaggio On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nathan Anderson nat...@andersonsplace.net wrote: Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. That way you aren't actually taking overriding a existing used key. And it could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used for some other hotkey. Nathan -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM To: ext ds Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer Hi, ext ds wrote: Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it should not be a big deal:-) But first I want to have it running an the N900. I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list allows that). Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. I got a message from maemo admin: After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or toggle full screen anymore? Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as proposed in another mail. - Eero PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or closing the application from the power menu End task button). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
What about pressing + and - at the same time? At least if I remember correctly the N800 was able to signalize this. If + and - are beside each other on N900 this might be comparable to the place where N800 had the button (between + and -) Detlef Am Mittwoch, den 21.10.2009, 09:53 -0500 schrieb Nathan Anderson: Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. That way you aren't actually taking overriding a existing used key. And it could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used for some other hotkey. Nathan -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM To: ext ds Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer Hi, ext ds wrote: Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it should not be a big deal:-) But first I want to have it running an the N900. I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list allows that). Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. I got a message from maemo admin: After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or toggle full screen anymore? Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as proposed in another mail. - Eero PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or closing the application from the power menu End task button). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
On 10/21/09, Nathan Anderson nat...@andersonsplace.net wrote: Luca, You would already have to have the keyboard open if you used Ctrl-S or Ctrl-Shift-F, Ctrl-F could be used for Find. Ctrl-S could be Save. Using Ctrl-key is hazardous since different apps have different requirements. You have a point here. My guesses for universal keys that all apps could accept for full screen would be: (It would be good if we make it as universal as possible so as not to confuse end users) Ctrl-Volume (Would possibly be used by a music program to switch mp3's tracks playing) Ctrl-Camera (could be used by a camera app to do something different (HDR?)) Ctrl-Power (If Possible, this might be imo the best one -- I can't think of any reason for any other program to use as a hotkey) Ctrl-Space (I can't think of any reason a app would need to map this as a normal hotkey either) I think that both would do, but for the reason I stated before, I like Ctrl+Space the better. Anything else on the keyboard ( http://www.nokian900.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Nokia-N900-front-open-keyboard.jpg) would be easily up for application control and I can't see how we could make is a universal recommendation. Nathan. -- *From:* Luca Donaggio [mailto:donag...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* Nathan Anderson *Cc:* maemo-developers@maemo.org *Subject:* Re: Full Screen Hotkey? I think that any combination of CTRL+hardware button of your choice would be a little awkward (CTRL is in the slideing keybord, other buttons are on the sides of the device). I would prefer an all-with-the-keyboard combination. Luca Donaggio On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nathan Anderson nat...@andersonsplace.net wrote: Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. That way you aren't actually taking overriding a existing used key. And it could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used for some other hotkey. Nathan -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM To: ext ds Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer Hi, ext ds wrote: Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it should not be a big deal:-) But first I want to have it running an the N900. I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list allows that). Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. I got a message from maemo admin: After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or toggle full screen anymore? Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as proposed in another mail. - Eero PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or closing the application from the power menu End task button). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
