Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
This kind of plan wouldn't raise priority on a specific task the way that traditional incentive programs aspire to (and often fail to anyway), but it would reward active development on the project space in general. It also removes the demeaning aspect of traditional incentives (I'll give you $4 to spend 50 hours of your free time working on this!), replacing it with more of a Good job! I appreciate the hard work you put in! feeling. I like that idea very much. The question remains if there are people ready to pay bounties or fulfill them. Don't hesitate to give input things you would like (this can also be to me directly if you don't want to post to on the list) I guess it will be more the end users who will want to get a certain functionality implemented. I see that some of the item in 2006Wishlist where performed. http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006Wishlist What would it take to change this idea into action? greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
On 1/11/07, Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking at the responses to the Developer Program Application with great interests. It looks like people are ready to invest time in maemo if they get rewarded. I enjoy spending time developing but I would also be ready to pay bounties if some piece of software can be developed or ported to maemo. Indeed. I am ready to pay as much as 99 euro :) if gcompriz is ported to hildon and made available for the 770 and 800. I guess that even with smaller amounts that are added it might be a good reward for getting things done(like a python home applet component /java etc). :-) my offer stands. And I am very interested to know if there is animo to startup such a bounty program or if other people are ready to pay something for some functionality Sounds like a good idea. It wouldn't take much either, some form of central website where bounties could be registered and other people top them up; view of the most popular by # people and most popular by amount of cash are simple. Presumably there'd need to be moderation ability so the community could merge bounties if projects overlapped. Also, an ability to record if anyone was working towards it so resources could be pooled. Looking around for off-the-shelf software we could customise shows up GNOME's Bounties programme (the bounties are vetted by committee): http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ ... and Nat Friedman's thoughts on what I've just described above: http://nat.org/2005/january/#bountysystem Thoughts? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Aw: Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
If you host a project in the maemo garage you can activte a bounty plugin. - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Gesendet: Do., 11. Jan. 2007 10:07:21 CET Betreff: Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program? On 1/11/07, Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking at the responses to the Developer Program Application with great interests. It looks like people are ready to invest time in maemo if they get rewarded. I enjoy spending time developing but I would also be ready to pay bounties if some piece of software can be developed or ported to maemo. Indeed. I am ready to pay as much as 99 euro :) if gcompriz is ported to hildon and made available for the 770 and 800. I guess that even with smaller amounts that are added it might be a good reward for getting things done(like a python home applet component /java etc). :-) my offer stands. And I am very interested to know if there is animo to startup such a bounty program or if other people are ready to pay something for some functionality Sounds like a good idea. It wouldn't take much either, some form of central website where bounties could be registered and other people top them up; view of the most popular by # people and most popular by amount of cash are simple. Presumably there'd need to be moderation ability so the community could merge bounties if projects overlapped. Also, an ability to record if anyone was working towards it so resources could be pooled. Looking around for off-the-shelf software we could customise shows up GNOME's Bounties programme (the bounties are vetted by committee): http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ ... and Nat Friedman's thoughts on what I've just described above: http://nat.org/2005/january/#bountysystem Thoughts? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
On 1/11/07, Mathias Uebelacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you host a project in the maemo garage you can activte a bounty plugin. Interesting. Something for Ferenc to investigate? It's kind of backwards, though as often the bounty will be for a project to be created (e.g. Kees' gcompriz bounty) or for some random hack rather than tied to an existing project. It could make an interesting starting point. I suppose at the worst case we could have a bounty project with the moderation team being the admins which exists solely to co-ordinate bounties. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
Not that I'm against or in favour of bounties (depends on the context and particular circumstances, I guess) but... On 1/11/07, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking around for off-the-shelf software we could customise shows up GNOME's Bounties programme (the bounties are vetted by committee): http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ This programme was discontinued, it's worth knowing why. ... and Nat Friedman's thoughts on what I've just described above: http://nat.org/2005/january/#bountysystem Let's not forrget Luis Villa's research on the same topic, far less optimistic: http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/06/18/crowding-out-of-intrinsic-motivations-aka-the-bounty-problem/ Quim ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
On 1/11/07, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I'm against or in favour of bounties (depends on the context and particular circumstances, I guess) but... Agreed. [http://www.gnome.org/bounties/] This programme was discontinued, it's worth knowing why. [snip] http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/06/18/crowding-out-of-intrinsic-motivations-aka-the-bounty-problem/ Thanks for that - very interesting reading. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:45:37AM +0100, ext Quim Gil wrote: Not that I'm against or in favour of bounties (depends on the context and particular circumstances, I guess) but... Indeed, conceptually it seems okay, but it seems that very limited, targeted, bounties should be offered, instead of a larger program. On 1/11/07, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking around for off-the-shelf software we could customise shows up GNOME's Bounties programme (the bounties are vetted by committee): http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ This programme was discontinued, it's worth knowing why. Ditto Ubuntu's. ... and Nat Friedman's thoughts on what I've just described above: http://nat.org/2005/january/#bountysystem Let's not forrget Luis Villa's research on the same topic, far less optimistic: http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/06/18/crowding-out-of-intrinsic-motivations-aka-the-bounty-problem/ I don't know that this was the exact problem. Ours wasn't analysed quite so heavily, but it semeed that[0]: a) for motivated, talented, community members, either the small amounts on offer weren't enough to have them able to leave their job for a while and throw large amounts of time at it, or they'd already do it for the love of it; b) so you got a lot of random ring-ins coming in, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the code was often not great quality, and usually didn't comply to the community norms, meaning it took a great deal of work to fix anyway; c) most of these people didn't seem to stick around: they took their bounty money and simply disappeared. So it was more of a community-building problem, but quite an alarming one at that. Cheers, Daniel [0]: Speaking from my POV, not Canonical's, Ubuntu's, Nokia's, etc. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
Hello, On 1/11/07, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/07, Mathias Uebelacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you host a project in the maemo garage you can activte a bounty plugin. Interesting. Something for Ferenc to investigate? Hmm, sounds good :) It's kind of backwards, though as often the bounty will be for a project to be created (e.g. Kees' gcompriz bounty) or for some random hack rather than tied to an existing project. It could make an interesting starting point. I suppose at the worst case we could have a bounty project with the moderation team being the admins which exists solely to co-ordinate bounties. Actually I wrote that simple plugin for garage (GForge) and the idea was that a) either single project can use it or b) we could open 1 single project, e.g. maemo bounties which project will only use this plugin as a garage resource. Cheers, Andrew Cheers, ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] bounty program?
On 1/11/07, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking around for off-the-sh http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/06/18/crowding-out-of-intrinsic-motivations-aka-the-bounty-problem/ I don't know that this was the exact problem. Ours wasn't analysed quite so heavily, but it semeed that[0]: a) for motivated, talented, community members, either the small amounts on offer weren't enough to have them able to leave their job for a while and throw large amounts of time at it, or they'd already do it for the love of it; b) so you got a lot of random ring-ins coming in, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the code was often not great quality, and usually didn't comply to the community norms, meaning it took a great deal of work to fix anyway; c) most of these people didn't seem to stick around: they took their bounty money and simply disappeared. I have tried not to spend to much time reading all this stuff. It seems that the reward should not be be to high. People should not stop working to get bounties. Perhaps just like the Developers program people should get nokia points (100 points = xxx discount on the next generation internet device). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
