Re: hacker edition status and future?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Carlos Guerreiro wrote: ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Joni Valtanen wrote: Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. OK, this means hacking 2.6.16 kernel and backporting something makes sense. Alternatively time could be spent in making dual kernel booting situation working (IT2006 vs 2007 with newer kernel) so this answer helps to prioritize things, thanks :-) Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. Yes but I hope you are not completely ditching n800 kernel for future hacker edition releases (if any). If you are not planning this it would be nice to say so and also publish binary stuff needed to use newer kernels. First HE version had initfs that worked with newer kernels but it is not availabe anymore at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php The IT2006 one crashes in dsme early on boot with 2.6.18 which makes things really hard since the unstoppable (retu?) watchdog reboots device and also reading flags (like root device) from config partition with cal-tool is impossible without dsme running. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Hi Frantisek, The approach has been again to use the OS2006 initfs for the 770, including the old kernel. Indeed in the previous round we first tried to use a newer kernel but that turned out to cause many problems - Joni has the details. Problems with 2.6.18 - if I remember right: - dsp system was different - problems with sound and related programs - the biggest problem - some user space programs needed more patching than with older kernel. - problems with initfs: bme cal-tool didn't work properly - more problems that didn't come out - time to get everything work But yes. 2.6.18 is possible to get work. but there is needed some dsp+kernel guru to do this. Using 2.6.26 is just faster way to get goal. There is old archive about for more information: http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/Os2007HackerEditionArchives We're close to releasing a new version of the hacker edition, at that point let's talk about this again. With that newer version working (userspace updated to the latest release for the N800 as much as possible) we can reconsider the use of the old initfs. Cheers, Carlos - Joni ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hacker edition status and future?
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 11:51 +0300, ext Joni Valtanen wrote: There is old archive about for more information: http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/Os2007HackerEditionArchives http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007HackerEditionArchives if you want to continue the update. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hacker edition status and future?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Joni Valtanen wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Carlos Guerreiro wrote: ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Joni Valtanen wrote: Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. OK, this means hacking 2.6.16 kernel and backporting something makes sense. Alternatively time could be spent in making dual kernel booting situation working (IT2006 vs 2007 with newer kernel) so this answer helps to prioritize things, thanks :-) Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. Yes but I hope you are not completely ditching n800 kernel for future hacker edition releases (if any). If you are not planning this it would be nice to say so and also publish binary stuff needed to use newer kernels. First HE version had initfs that worked with newer kernels but it is not availabe anymore at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php The IT2006 one crashes in dsme early on boot with 2.6.18 which makes things really hard since the unstoppable (retu?) watchdog reboots device and also reading flags (like root device) from config partition with cal-tool is impossible without dsme running. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Hi Frantisek, The approach has been again to use the OS2006 initfs for the 770, including the old kernel. Indeed in the previous round we first tried to use a newer kernel but that turned out to cause many problems - Joni has the details. Problems with 2.6.18 - if I remember right: - dsp system was different - problems with sound and related programs - the biggest problem - some user space programs needed more patching than with older kernel. - problems with initfs: bme cal-tool didn't work properly - more problems that didn't come out - time to get everything work But yes. 2.6.18 is possible to get work. but there is needed some dsp+kernel guru to do this. Using 2.6.26 is just faster way to get goal. Sorry. I meant kernel 2.6.16. There is old archive about for more information: http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/Os2007HackerEditionArchives We're close to releasing a new version of the hacker edition, at that point let's talk about this again. With that newer version working (userspace updated to the latest release for the N800 as much as possible) we can reconsider the use of the old initfs. Cheers, Carlos - Joni ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hacker edition status and future?
Joni Valtanen wrote: But yes. 2.6.18 is possible to get work. but there is needed some dsp+kernel guru to do this. What would help for the start is making old initfs from first hacker edition available for download again so one could start testing kernels = 2.6.16. With initfs from IT2006 you won't get too far when booting such kernel, dsme crashes and device reboots immediately. We're close to releasing a new version of the hacker edition, at that point let's talk about this again. With that newer version working (userspace updated to the latest release for the N800 as much as possible) we can reconsider the use of the old initfs. OK, thanks. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hacker edition status and future?
ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Joni Valtanen wrote: Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. OK, this means hacking 2.6.16 kernel and backporting something makes sense. Alternatively time could be spent in making dual kernel booting situation working (IT2006 vs 2007 with newer kernel) so this answer helps to prioritize things, thanks :-) Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. Yes but I hope you are not completely ditching n800 kernel for future hacker edition releases (if any). If you are not planning this it would be nice to say so and also publish binary stuff needed to use newer kernels. First HE version had initfs that worked with newer kernels but it is not availabe anymore at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php The IT2006 one crashes in dsme early on boot with 2.6.18 which makes things really hard since the unstoppable (retu?) watchdog reboots device and also reading flags (like root device) from config partition with cal-tool is impossible without dsme running. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Hi Frantisek, The approach has been again to use the OS2006 initfs for the 770, including the old kernel. Indeed in the previous round we first tried to use a newer kernel but that turned out to cause many problems - Joni has the details. We're close to releasing a new version of the hacker edition, at that point let's talk about this again. With that newer version working (userspace updated to the latest release for the N800 as much as possible) we can reconsider the use of the old initfs. Cheers, Carlos ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
hacker edition status and future?
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Arnaud Patard wrote: Joni Valtanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi ! Hello, since now the project is revived and some work is going on, I'd like to raise this again. It would be nice if someone involved in this project could comment this http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010280.html Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. :( I guess this project is not exactly top secret like regular firmwares so more open process would be nice. Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. why ? afaik upstream omap tree is supporting n770 and n800 so it's technically feasible. If it's a matter of resources, I'm sure you'll find people here that will be happy to help you in this task. If it's a matter of userspace breakages, imho there should not be too much. fwiw when running my custom 2.6.21-rc kernel, events like usb cable plug and no wifi were the only breakages I've noticed. Kernel with first HE was the same as in n800. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007On770 have some notes about this. Person who 'fight' with these kernels comes back to track in two weeks. He knows all the problems with this. - Joni ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hacker edition status and future?
Joni Valtanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi ! On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Arnaud Patard wrote: Joni Valtanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi ! Hello, since now the project is revived and some work is going on, I'd like to raise this again. It would be nice if someone involved in this project could comment this http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010280.html Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. :( I guess this project is not exactly top secret like regular firmwares so more open process would be nice. Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. why ? afaik upstream omap tree is supporting n770 and n800 so it's technically feasible. If it's a matter of resources, I'm sure you'll find people here that will be happy to help you in this task. If it's a matter of userspace breakages, imho there should not be too much. fwiw when running my custom 2.6.21-rc kernel, events like usb cable plug and no wifi were the only breakages I've noticed. Kernel with first HE was the same as in n800. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007On770 have some notes about this. I know this page. I was hoping that the situation had improved. Also, when I talked about the userspace, I was thinking about things like ke-recv [1] Person who 'fight' with these kernels comes back to track in two weeks. He knows all the problems with this. ok Thanks, Arnaud [1] http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009442.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hacker edition status and future?
Joni Valtanen wrote: Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. OK, this means hacking 2.6.16 kernel and backporting something makes sense. Alternatively time could be spent in making dual kernel booting situation working (IT2006 vs 2007 with newer kernel) so this answer helps to prioritize things, thanks :-) Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. Yes but I hope you are not completely ditching n800 kernel for future hacker edition releases (if any). If you are not planning this it would be nice to say so and also publish binary stuff needed to use newer kernels. First HE version had initfs that worked with newer kernels but it is not availabe anymore at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php The IT2006 one crashes in dsme early on boot with 2.6.18 which makes things really hard since the unstoppable (retu?) watchdog reboots device and also reading flags (like root device) from config partition with cal-tool is impossible without dsme running. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hacker edition status and future?
Joni Valtanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi ! Hello, since now the project is revived and some work is going on, I'd like to raise this again. It would be nice if someone involved in this project could comment this http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010280.html Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. :( I guess this project is not exactly top secret like regular firmwares so more open process would be nice. Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. why ? afaik upstream omap tree is supporting n770 and n800 so it's technically feasible. If it's a matter of resources, I'm sure you'll find people here that will be happy to help you in this task. If it's a matter of userspace breakages, imho there should not be too much. fwiw when running my custom 2.6.21-rc kernel, events like usb cable plug and no wifi were the only breakages I've noticed. Arnaud ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
hacker edition status and future?
Hello, since now the project is revived and some work is going on, I'd like to raise this again. It would be nice if someone involved in this project could comment this http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010280.html I guess this project is not exactly top secret like regular firmwares so more open process would be nice. I have also raised it here https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=612 , feel free to answer where it is appropriate. Opinions can differ but I still think this list would be better for such discussion due to bigger audience http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010283.html Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
hacker edition status and future?
Hello, since now the project is revived and some work is going on, I'd like to raise this again. It would be nice if someone involved in this project could comment this http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010280.html Next version is coming as rootfs. There is no kernel updates. I guess this project is not exactly top secret like regular firmwares so more open process would be nice. Same components are used as in n800 version, but the kernel is older 2.6.16. There is lot of work if n800 version of the kernel is used. I have also raised it here https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=612 , feel free to answer where it is appropriate. Opinions can differ but I still think this list would be better for such discussion due to bigger audience http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010283.html To discussion yes, patches to garage-project. Frantisek I'll try to check to day those mail. - Joni ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
