Re: scratchbox ide
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, ext Frank Banul wrote: I use vi. I have not had the pleasure of learning Emacs. For my understanding, is it possible to define a list of files or directories in a project and then search for instances of used variables and how they are used? Same question for functions. I did a quick google search and didn't find either of these capabilities illustrated. For emacs (and, mutatis mutandis, for vim), see: http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/01/navigating-through-source-code-using.html I see color syntax support. I know vi has auto indentation and I assume emacs does as well but can they go as far as selecting blocks of code and auto indent? Well, if you have to select first it's not really auto-indent -- but yeah, just select and C-M-\ (ie., Control-Alt-backslash). Emacs is a very powerful editor, but it can be a harsh mistress in the beginning. When you put in the effort, most people seem to hang on -- 'Stockholm Syndrome' :-) To bring back the Maemo-angle: with Emacs it's easy (though probably not if you've never used emacs) to integrate with the environment, run compilers, debuggers in scratchbox or even on device. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CompileInsideScratchbox Best wishes, Dirk. -- Dirk-Jan C. Binnema dirk-jan.binn...@nokia.com NRC / Helsinki ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:34:39PM -0600, Frank Banul wrote: I use vi. I have not had the pleasure of learning Emacs. For my understanding, is it possible to define a list of files or directories in a project and then search for instances of used variables and how they are used? Same question for functions. GNU id-utils is great for that. Run mkid to build a keyword database, use gid/lid on the command line for searching. This integrates with vim's built-in :grep facility, see :help quickfix.txt, section 5.4 Using :grep with id-utils. ctags is the complement to that: it finds definitions rather than uses. See :help tags. I've been told that cscope can do the same thing (find both definitions and uses), but I'm not personally familiar with it. I did a quick google search and didn't find either of these capabilities illustrated. I see color syntax support. I know vi has auto indentation and I assume emacs does as well but can they go as far as selecting blocks of code and auto indent? Absolutely. '=' is the vim command for reindentation, and it works in visual mode. I don't know about Emacs (tab reindents the current line; I've never figured out how to reindent larger blocks -- I only ever use Emacs when pair-programming with an Emacs user). Another killer feature of both vim/emacs is keyword completion: start typing a name, then hit a key to complete it, from the corpus of all the names used in the current file/included files/the whole project (if you've built a ctags db). Sort of a dumb, but lightning-quick IntelliSense. (vim also has smart autocompletion, called omnicomplete, but I rarely use that -- Python programs are *very* hard to statically analyze). Marius Gedminas -- One picture is worth 128K words. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:46:23PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/1/20 Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com: I'm curious what development tools you use? Textedit is nice and all but I'm sure that there are better tools. I would be interested in an editor that supported more code oriented tasks. Any suggestions? Emacs? I have pretty extensive code-oriented needs, and it meets all of those (and more). And vim :) Vim and Emacs are incredibly great, if you're willing to invest the time in learning to use them well (a couple of days for basic tasks, weeks for real proficiency, and then you'll still be learning new tricks for years). It'll pay off in the end, if you do a lot of coding (or other kinds of text editing). It's sort of like learning to touch-type. Marius Gedminas -- Those who can't write, write manuals. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: Vim and Emacs are incredibly great, if you're willing to invest the time in learning to use them well (a couple of days for basic tasks, weeks for real proficiency, and then you'll still be learning new tricks for years). It'll pay off in the end, if you do a lot of coding (or other kinds of text editing). It's sort of like learning to touch-type. This is going *way* off topic for maemo (time for yet another classic emacs vs. vi bikeshed flamewar, eh? ;-) , but it's questionable whether using emacs is going to pay up in the long run: http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca/opinions/editors.html One contraindication for using emacs is the very bad intellisense support. I followed the semantic bovinator for a *years*, expecting it to provide intellisense on par with other closed open source offerings, which proved highly disappointing. I don't know where it's now, but if something takes years to realize, it's probably a futile effort in the first place. I cut my own emacs addiction ~ 3 years ago, and wouldn't require anyone to acquire the same willingly; you may well end up spending more time tinkering / customizing than getting actual work done. -- Ville M. Vainio http://tinyurl.com/vainio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
I'm using Monodevelop for Vala development. It has project management, syntax highlighting, code completion, build customization, SVN integration and is lighter than Eclipse. I've set it up on F5 to run WAF build in Scratchbox, transfer with scp and run with ssh directly on the tablet. Easy and simple :) Downside is that you need to use 2.0 alpha 2 to have Vala support and is not easy to get it running if you're not on openSUSE. Regards: Bundyo On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: Vim and Emacs are incredibly great, if you're willing to invest the time in learning to use them well (a couple of days for basic tasks, weeks for real proficiency, and then you'll still be learning new tricks for years). It'll pay off in the end, if you do a lot of coding (or other kinds of text editing). It's sort of like learning to touch-type. This is going *way* off topic for maemo (time for yet another classic emacs vs. vi bikeshed flamewar, eh? ;-) , but it's questionable whether using emacs is going to pay up in the long run: http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca/opinions/editors.html One contraindication for using emacs is the very bad intellisense support. I followed the semantic bovinator for a *years*, expecting it to provide intellisense on par with other closed open source offerings, which proved highly disappointing. I don't know where it's now, but if something takes years to realize, it's probably a futile effort in the first place. I cut my own emacs addiction ~ 3 years ago, and wouldn't require anyone to acquire the same willingly; you may well end up spending more time tinkering / customizing than getting actual work done. -- Ville M. Vainio http://tinyurl.com/vainio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
Frank Banul wrote: I suppose I should have added that I still compile for OS2006. It appears that ESbox doesn't support Gregale. Can Eclipse be used just for source editing? Yes, it is a very good editor for C/C++. I usually edit code on Eclipse and launch a custom Makefile from a console within Scratchbox when I want to compile, run or upload something. Regards, Felipe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
scratchbox ide
Hi all, I've got scratchbox installed on an Ubuntu host for compiling tablet programs. I'm curious what development tools you use? Textedit is nice and all but I'm sure that there are better tools. I would be interested in an editor that supported more code oriented tasks. Any suggestions? thanks, Frank ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
Hi,
You can use ESbox eclipse plugin (http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/index.html).
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José Luís
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 13:26, Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've got scratchbox installed on an Ubuntu host for compiling tablet
programs.
I'm curious what development tools you use? Textedit is nice and all but
I'm sure that there are better tools. I would be interested in an editor
that supported more code oriented tasks. Any suggestions?
thanks,
Frank
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Re: scratchbox ide
Hi,
I suppose I should have added that I still compile for OS2006. It appears
that ESbox doesn't support Gregale. Can Eclipse be used just for source
editing?
Frank
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM, José Luís jlu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
You can use ESbox eclipse plugin (http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/index.html
).
Att,
José Luís
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 13:26, Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've got scratchbox installed on an Ubuntu host for compiling tablet
programs.
I'm curious what development tools you use? Textedit is nice and all but
I'm sure that there are better tools. I would be interested in an editor
that supported more code oriented tasks. Any suggestions?
thanks,
Frank
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Re: scratchbox ide
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious what development tools you use? Textedit is nice and all but I'm sure that there are better tools. I would be interested in an editor that supported more code oriented tasks. Any suggestions? If you want to do just source code editing and navigation, I recommend kscope, especially if you have/want to browse a large codebase. It says it's for C, but C++ works just fine as well. You can easily add tons of source files (e.g. platform sources you acquire via apt-get source). KDevelop is good as well, but sort of loses the point when you can't use it for debug/build. -- Ville M. Vainio http://tinyurl.com/vainio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/1/20 Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com: I'm curious what development tools you use? Textedit is nice and all but I'm sure that there are better tools. I would be interested in an editor that supported more code oriented tasks. Any suggestions? Emacs? I have pretty extensive code-oriented needs, and it meets all of those (and more). And vim :) -- Felipe Contreras ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
