Re: [maemo-users] Next revision of 770 hardware - any idea when it willbe available?
Jason, thanks for you insights and, as a matter a fact, after further consideration prior to your response I concluded that your interpretation is the more logical one. I have been testing an ARM emulator that Microsoft now distributes primarily, but not only for developers of Windows Mobile 5.0 software. It is nice because you can run it without having to also install/run Visual Studio. It is great for conducting quick tests of the plethora of WM apps out there whether of the no-cost or of the try before you buy variety, This way you can test out the apps with running the risk of hosing your "real machine". I have not tried to do so myself but I would be curious to know what would happen if the Nokia sw for the 770 were installed on the Microsoft ARM emulator. I have to assume that the emulator is agnostic with respect to the actual target ARM processor (e.g. Intel, TI, etc) to which the OS has been compiled. Of course the emulator is not going to have any specialized HW (e.g. DSP) beyond what is standard for the Windows Mobile 5.0 environment. Actually the problem with the emulator is that, like the VMWare VMWare player, there is no provision for creating a Virtual Machine image, at least as far as I know, not having read the manual for the emulator if in fact there is manual. For anyone who is interested here is the url to the www page at the Microsoft www site where you can download it: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=C62D54A5-183A-4A1E-A7E2-CC500ED1F19Adisplaylang=en Best Regards, Best Regards, John Holmblad Televerage International GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM (H) 703 620 0672 (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (O) 410 849 2376 (has voicemail to email) primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www page for texting: www.vtext.com/users/jholmblad text email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Mills wrote: Coming from the x86 virtualization perspective... I'm pretty sure they're discussing ARM emulation on IA32/x86 (as in, during the development and testing phase), not IA/x86 emulation on ARM in the Maemo 2.0 Roadmap. :-) See here: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html "Things not yet part of Maemo SDK" and "Building for ARMEL" They already have a partial Type-III VMM implementation (via QEMU) but need to finish fleshing it out so you get a full runtime environment (like the older Palm platform emulators, and the current Windows Mobile 5.0 emulator) so you can mimic an entire device rather than specific app-run functionality. -JMills -- Jason Mills -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portal Project Manager / Administrator VMTN Turner of Knobs and Pusher of Buttons -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John B. Holmblad Sent: Fri 30-Jun-06 07:44 To: maemo-users Subject: [maemo-users] Next revision of 770 hardware - any idea when it willbe available? All, I noticed in the Maemo software roadmap on the www page whose url is http://maemo.org/platform/docs/roadmap.html a reference to x86 device emulation/virtualization but I wonder whether the performance of the current hardware would be anywhere near sufficient to allow anything useful to be accomplished in a vm environment. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Next revision of 770 hardware - any idea when it will be available?
Title: Best Regards, Devesh, your point is well taken. But what puzzles me is that with Nokia's formidable capabilities with respect to handset and related consumer products manufacturing, why is there not by now a broader family of 770 products that all take advantage the ongoing growing investment in software. The PDA market has been characterized by a very high rate of innovation/improvement in hardware and it is common for a new revision of a manufacturer's hardware baseline to occur at 18 month intervals or less. I realize that the 770 at least right now seems to be targeted to a very specific market niche (I have yet to see someone pull one out at a meeting or conference here in the U.S.) so it may be that the slow uptake of this product has caused Nokia to hold back on implementing an aggressive hardware upgrade roadmap. One factor I think that holds back this product is price. As with many consumer goods there is a price elasticity of demand for this kind of product and right now the price is well above that which is necessary for product sales to take off to the point where you actually see lots of people caring one of these around. If the price gets down to $150 or less then you may see people having several of these things laying around the house for convenient www browsing, remote (RDP/VNC) access into the home network, serving as remote controllers for Microsoft Windows and other media center systems, as well as control of home environmental/security/irrigation/lighting systems. In that sense the product could be repositioned as the "Home Network Intranet Tablet" or something like that. At the right price they could even take market share from some of the purpose specific providers on touch-screen products for high end home entertainment systems (e.g. Crestron and others) most of whom by now are using Linux any in their embedded OS environments. Here by the way is the url to some recent commentary from Ari Virtanen, vice president of convergence products at Nokia on what they are considering for future hardware revisions: http://news.com.com/2100-1044_3-6086747.html?part=rss If Ari or his team are listening on this thread then I say to him/them, don't wait for WIMAX, but get on with the next revision of hw soon, as in 6 months or less to address the deficiencies in the current hardware baseline! By adding a expresscard slot (assuming there is room) and a USB interface the product would be able to accommodate almost any external device supporting one or the other interface including a future WIMAX client card that should be available in the market in the next 6-12 months. Also, how about a wall/desk mount cradle for the device so it can be charged when it is not in use? Best Regards, John Holmblad Televerage International GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM (H) 703 620 0672 (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (O) 410 849 2376 (has voicemail to email) primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www page for texting: www.vtext.com/users/jholmblad text email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Devesh Kothari wrote: ext John B. Holmblad wrote: All, has Nokia given any indication of if/when the next revision of the 770 hardware will become available? If the 770 is going to be a stable ongoing member of the Nokia product portfolio, as opposed to a one shot offering, then it would be reasonable if not prudent for Nokia to provide a hardware roadmap so that developers have an incentive to continue developing software for the platform. It is nokia policy not to give out details about future products to general public. Though such information (or some of it) is available to nokia partners who have all the confidentiality agreements in place. As for "one shot offering" , all i can say is nokia is definitely here in this space for a long haul. If it was a "one shot" thingie, why would we have taken all the trouble with creating a open development environment, working so closely/listening/contributing with community, established maemo :) I noticed in the Maemo software roadmap on the www page whose url is http://maemo.org/platform/docs/roadmap.html a reference to x86 device emulation/virtualization but I wonder whether the performance of the current hardware would be anywhere near sufficient to allow anything useful to be accomplished in a vm environment. The reference in the roadmap about virtualization is purely as a development platform, so that the developers can transform their PC into a n770 device (together with attached peripherals like usb WLAN, or USB BT dongles) in a VM and cut down development and debugging time (hopefully). No specific work has been done on that front :( yet Interestingly, and as some on this list may be aware, Microsoft has recently released an ARM device emulator that runs on Windows OS's and is entirely decoupled from the Microsoft
Re: [maemo-users] Next revision of 770 hardware - any idea when it will be available?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John B. Holmblad schreef: By adding a expresscard slot (assuming there is room) and a USB interface An expresscard slot is basically a usb 2.0 interface + a PCI-E interconnect. Looking at the OMAP specs I don't see PCI-E, so a true expresscard slot would require extra hardware. regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEt0bVMkyGM64RGpERAtXJAKCwZ/++N24dGQ9he0a38RnLhr6+ZQCfUIvf e2MXCFepFGPf5hQKvRBQCeM= =M6Ho -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Gizmo: secondary account?
Hi!I've just downloaded Gizmo on my Nokia 770: I was waiting for it for long as my ISP provides me w/ a free SIP account which let me phone any number at very low price. The problem is that I'm not able to specify my own server on the N770 version: on the Mac version, you can associate a secondary account w/ your main Gizmo account and then enter a different server for it. Do you know if I can do the same on the N770 version?TIA. -- Laurent, Nantes - FranceApple PowerBook 12"Treo 650 (unlocked GSM)Nokia 770 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Bluetooth GPS connection with closed cover? (Re: Metal case for Nokia 770)
Armin Warda wrote: To me it looks like this option indeed only affects Bluetooth/WLAN _Internet_ connections, not Bluetooth GPS connections. Well IMHO it affects all bluetooth connections and the problem is elsewhere. I haven't tested my bluetooth keyboard over kbdd with closed cover yet, but pand/bnep bluetooth connection works fine with cover closed. Also there is little diference between bluetooth network over phone and gps connected. Both are using serial rfcomm connection so it is unlikely one is working and the other is not. I unchecked this option, but still my Bluetooth GPS connection was alway disconnected when I put the cover on the device, and the device automatically reconnected when I opened the cover again. But this is not what we want! We want the Bluetooth GPS connection to remain active all the time, even when the cover is closed. Isn't this user software problem? i.e. maemo mapper or other gps sw going to sleeep properly when cover is closed and display/keys is turned off. This is recommended way of doing things to save power. Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Bluetooth GPS connection with closed cover? (Re: Metal case for Nokia 770)
Armin Warda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: probably you refer to Tools - Control panel - Connectivity - Disconnect when cover on device ? To me it looks like this option indeed only affects Bluetooth/WLAN _Internet_ connections, not Bluetooth GPS connections. IIRC, it should disconnect all bluetooth connections. To my understanding the bluetooth chip is disabled altogether. I unchecked this option, but still my Bluetooth GPS connection was alway disconnected when I put the cover on the device, and the device automatically reconnected when I opened the cover again. But this is not what we want! Actually there's a bug in disconnect when cover on feature. In certain cases (depends on the boot order of few daemons) the disconnect feature is enabled even though user has disabled it from UI. That might be the bug you are seeing. I'm working on a fix for that. -- Kalle Valo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Gizmo: secondary account?
Hi,I think that feature was avaible on Gizmo 2.0 and the N770 seems to be version 1.0 (?). That feature was what I also was expecting from Gizmo N770, but maybe it will come to the future versions.- Teemu On 7/14/06, Laurent MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi!I've just downloaded Gizmo on my Nokia 770: I was waiting for it for long as my ISP provides me w/ a free SIP account which let me phone any number at very low price. The problem is that I'm not able to specify my own server on the N770 version: on the Mac version, you can associate a secondary account w/ your main Gizmo account and then enter a different server for it. Do you know if I can do the same on the N770 version? TIA. --Laurent, Nantes - France Apple PowerBook 12Treo 650 (unlocked GSM) Nokia 770 ___maemo-users mailing listmaemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Teemu Harjuhttp://www.teemuharju.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Problem installing OpenSSH using ITOS2006 Application manager
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 00:45 -0400, Tony K. wrote: I have installed IT OS 2006 this evening, all appears O.K. I installed osso-xterm using the following repositories without problems: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt Distribution mistral Componentsmain http://repository.maemo.org Distribution mistral Componentsfree Then, I tried installing OpenSSH from... http://repository.maemo.org Distribution : mistral-beta Component : free But got the following message when trying to refresh the package list... Unable to refresh list. Last refresh list is shown. Is it a problem to mix the two distributions mistral and mistral-beta? Or is mistral-beta no longer active? don't mess the distribution... just use mistral. dropbear is a good openssh replacement (both server and client) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Adi Roiban Technical University of Cluj Napoca Pusztai Kalman Communication Center address: Room 29, Gh. Baritiu St., 400027, Cluj-Napoca tel: +40 264 401247 web: http://cc.utcluj.ro signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Bluetooth GPS connection with closed cover? (Re: Metal case for Nokia 770)
Hi!
Eactly!
If your connect to your GPS using rfcomm and then make a cat on the
rfcomm device and then close the cover you will recognise that the
connection happily stays connected and produces data (look at the
timestamps).
This is just a feature of Maemo-Mapper.
Cheers
nils
Armin Warda schrieb:
Hi Frantisek,
probably you are right, because in
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18259postcount=122
the author of Maeomo-Mapper, John Costello alias 'gnuite', writes:
Maemo Mapper currently detects when the cover is put on, turning off the
scanning when that occurs
I had a look at the Maemo Mapper source:
static void
osso_cb_hw_state(osso_hw_state_t *state, gpointer data)
{
[...]
if(state-system_inactivity_ind)
{
if(_must_save_data)
_must_save_data = FALSE;
else if(_conn_state RCVR_OFF)
{
set_conn_state(RCVR_OFF);
rcvr_disconnect();
[...]
}
}
[...]
}
It seem like this is the place I have to patch if I want Maemo-Mapper to
keep recording GPS track info even when I close the cover.
regards, Armin.
On 7/14/06, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Armin Warda wrote:
To me it looks like this option indeed only affects Bluetooth/WLAN
_Internet_ connections, not Bluetooth GPS connections.
[...]
Isn't this user software problem? i.e. maemo mapper or other gps sw
going to sleeep properly when cover is closed and display/keys is turned
off. This is recommended way of doing things to save power.
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Re: [maemo-users] Next revision of 770 hardware - any idea when it will be available?
On 7/13/06, John B. Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here by the way is the url to some recent commentary from Ari Virtanen, vice president of convergence products at Nokia on what they are considering for future hardware revisions: What I'd really like to see is them use a more powerful processor that would better be able to decode MPEG4 and H.264 at LCD resolution and full frame rate. If they are going to put a camera on the next version, then being able to encode MPEG4 would be useful as well. Why just do voice over IP when you can do video over IP. The 770 such a nice display but nowhere near the computes to be able fully take advantage of it. I realize that the computes vs power trade is a difficult one, but it really seems that the 770 is underpowered for many of the applications that platform invites. Maybe moving from the current processor to something like the TMS320DM644[36] would to the trick. I guess other then cost, the biggest question would be how well it would with power consumption. But if they adjust the PLLs and core voltage based on CPU usage, I would think that it wouldn't be much worse then what they have now. --Clem ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Next revision of 770 hardware - any idea when it will be available?
Title: Best Regards, Clem, I would be really surprised and dismayed if the next hw revision did not address issues of processor performance and max memory capacity as a first order of priority. That should be a given as it is with virtually all other consumer products when there is a hardware "turn" after a year or so. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM (H) 703 620 0672 (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (O) 410 849 2376 (has voicemail to email) primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www page for texting: www.vtext.com/users/jholmblad text email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/13/06, John B. Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here by the way is the url to some recent commentary from Ari Virtanen, vice president of convergence products at Nokia on what they are considering for future hardware revisions: What I'd really like to see is them use a more powerful processor that would better be able to decode MPEG4 and H.264 at LCD resolution and full frame rate. If they are going to put a camera on the next version, then being able to encode MPEG4 would be useful as well. Why just do voice over IP when you can do video over IP. The 770 such a nice display but nowhere near the computes to be able fully take advantage of it. I realize that the computes vs power trade is a difficult one, but it really seems that the 770 is underpowered for many of the applications that platform invites. Maybe moving from the current processor to something like the TMS320DM644[36] would to the trick. I guess other then cost, the biggest question would be how well it would with power consumption. But if they adjust the PLLs and core voltage based on CPU usage, I would think that it wouldn't be much worse then what they have now. --Clem ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] pine mail client for maemo2?
I've upgraded to 2006 OS recently, but am missing a suitable EABI build of pine, my favourite mail client on the 770. Is anyone with the knowledge to create such a build willing to do so? I guess there are a few others out there that use pine on the 770? Regards Matthias ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
