N800 as usb host
Hi! I have N800 and since I need to use the kernel git version of linux-omap and in this way it is not possible to compile the WLAN driver against this kernel, I want to plug a usb hub on it (with a mini-usb connector in both of the cable) and use a usb wireless pen drive to connect to a wlan network. Did someone already do this? If I do this, will it work? Any suggestion/clue will be accepted. Thank you. -- Leandro Melo de Sales. Pervasive and Embedded Computing Laboratory http://embedded.ufcg.edu.br/ +55 083 3310-1404 (extension 208) There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, those who don't ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Mozilla browser has problem with jalimo installation?
Hallo everyone, out of excitement i have installed the new browser, and it works pretty well as far as i am concerned. But i noticed it might have problem withe jalimo packages, since i got these errors after trying to install jalimo packages after installing microb: /home/user/bin # apt-get install cacao cacao-cldc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: classpath classpath-common libltdl3 midpath midpath-cldc The following NEW packages will be installed: cacao cacao-cldc classpath classpath-common libltdl3 midpath midpath-cldc 0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded. Need to get 11.8MB of archives. After unpacking 14.6MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! classpath-common classpath libltdl3 cacao midpath midpath-cldc cacao-cldc Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y Get:1 http://jalimo.tarent.de maemo3/user classpath-common 2:0.95+cvs20070530-1 [9190kB] Get:2 http://jalimo.tarent.de maemo3/user classpath 2:0.95+cvs20070530-1 [202kB] Get:3 http://jalimo.tarent.de maemo3/user libltdl3 1.5.22-4 [170kB] Get:4 http://jalimo.tarent.de maemo3/user cacao 0.98-jalimo1 [561kB] Get:5 http://jalimo.tarent.de maemo3/user midpath 0.0+svn20070705-jalimo2 [979kB] Get:6 http://jalimo.tarent.de maemo3/user midpath-cldc 0.0+svn20070705-jalimo2 [107kB] Get:7 http://jalimo.tarent.de maemo3/user cacao-cldc 0.98-jalimo1 [541kB] Fetched 11.8MB in 55s (213kB/s) Selecting previously deselected package classpath-common. (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/classpath-common_2%3a0.95+cvs20070530-1_all.deb (--unpack): unable to open files list file for package `microb-l10n': Input/output error Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/classpath-common_2%3a0.95+cvs20070530-1_all.deb Processing was halted because there were too many errors. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) /home/user/bin # can anyone confirm this before i try to file a bug at bugzilla? thanks. regards, wahlau. -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mozilla browser has problem with jalimo installation?
ext Wahlau - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Selecting previously deselected package classpath-common. (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/classpath-common_2%3a0.95+cvs20070530-1_all.deb (--unpack): unable to open files list file for package `microb-l10n': Input/output error This unfortunately looks like a filesystem corruption. What happens when you do the following? # cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-l10n.list ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mozilla browser has problem with jalimo installation?
Hi, the file does not exist... is there anyway i can repair this? regards, wahlau On 18/07/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Wahlau - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Selecting previously deselected package classpath-common. (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/classpath-common_2%3a0.95+cvs20070530-1_all.deb (--unpack): unable to open files list file for package `microb-l10n': Input/output error This unfortunately looks like a filesystem corruption. What happens when you do the following? # cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-l10n.list -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mozilla browser has problem with jalimo installation?
Hi all, i manage to fsck the rootfs and now it seemed to be working :) wonder why my file system got screwed up :) thanks for the quick help! regards, wahlau On 18/07/07, Wahlau - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, the file does not exist... is there anyway i can repair this? regards, wahlau On 18/07/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Wahlau - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Selecting previously deselected package classpath-common. (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/classpath-common_2%3a0.95+cvs20070530-1_all.deb (--unpack): unable to open files list file for package `microb-l10n': Input/output error This unfortunately looks like a filesystem corruption. What happens when you do the following? # cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-l10n.list -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mozilla browser has problem with jalimo installation?
ext Wahlau - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 18/07/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This unfortunately looks like a filesystem corruption. What happens when you do the following? # cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-l10n.list the file does not exist... Hmm, maybe my guess was wrong about which file got the I/O error. Can you nose around a bit in /var/lib/dpkg on your own? Do things like # cd /var/lib/dpkg/ # du -sh . # tar cf - . | wc -c and watch for any error messages. is there anyway i can repair this? Once we figure out which file is corrupted, probably. You might get away by removing the offending file (so that the I/O error goes away) and re-installing some packages. But please ask here first when you don't know what you are doing. ;) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mozilla browser has problem with jalimo installation?
ext Wahlau - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i manage to fsck the rootfs and now it seemed to be working :) Ok, cool! :) wonder why my file system got screwed up :) Where is your rootfs? Internal flash or on the MMC? What filesystem format? thanks for the quick help! You are welcome! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mozilla browser has problem with jalimo installation?
HI, wonder why my file system got screwed up :) Where is your rootfs? Internal flash or on the MMC? What filesystem format? great i have it on MMC using ext2. just a reboot back to flash, fsck.ext2 then reboot. done :) NOw i have jalimo installed and can proceed :) however i still have no idea why the file can be corrupted since this morning... thanks again. regards, wahlau. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RTCom - SIP Service
Nokia rocks again. Following yesterday's mozilla based browser announcement, today we get (beta) SIP integration into the N800 comms stack. Works fine with my VOIP provider (including calls to PSTN). Thanks Nokia, thanks very very much. After the disappointing message viz-a-viz free software and open standards with the incorporation of skype, you have done the right thing big time with this SIP integration. You've restored my confidence in the platform and the direction you're taking in. Too cool for words. -jonathan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: RTCom - SIP Service
Oh, I've been waiting on this! Can you post a link? I don't see it on the tableteer site. Jonathan Hudson wrote: Nokia rocks again. Following yesterday's mozilla based browser announcement, today we get (beta) SIP integration into the N800 comms stack. Works fine with my VOIP provider (including calls to PSTN). Thanks Nokia, thanks very very much. After the disappointing message viz-a-viz free software and open standards with the incorporation of skype, you have done the right thing big time with this SIP integration. You've restored my confidence in the platform and the direction you're taking in. Too cool for words. -jonathan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: RTCom - SIP Service
Sorry. My happiness overpowered my ability to provide anything coherent. http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ -jh On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:06:45 -0600 David Rudder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I've been waiting on this! Can you post a link? I don't see it on the tableteer site. Jonathan Hudson wrote: Nokia rocks again. Following yesterday's mozilla based browser announcement, today we get (beta) SIP integration into the N800 comms stack. Works fine with my VOIP provider (including calls to PSTN). Thanks Nokia, thanks very very much. After the disappointing message viz-a-viz free software and open standards with the incorporation of skype, you have done the right thing big time with this SIP integration. You've restored my confidence in the platform and the direction you're taking in. Too cool for words. -jonathan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: RTCom - SIP Service
Thanks so much!!! I didn't bring my tablet to work today, but I'll definitely install tonight. I see from the screenshots it supports both proxies and stun, so it should work w/ my VoIP provider! YAY! -Dave (who doesn't normally use so many exclamation points) Jonathan Hudson wrote: Sorry. My happiness overpowered my ability to provide anything coherent. http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ -jh ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: RTCom - SIP Service
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:22:54 -0600 David Rudder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks so much!!! I didn't bring my tablet to work today, but I'll definitely install tonight. I see from the screenshots it supports both proxies and stun, so it should work w/ my VoIP provider! YAY! -Dave (who doesn't normally use so many exclamation points) Jonathan Hudson wrote: Sorry. My happiness overpowered my ability to provide anything coherent. http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ I should also note that: * It appears to have removed all osso-email stuff (which is a *bonus* for claws-mail aficionados :) * Installation was non-trivial, involving - apt-get install --reinstall on evolution-data-server - dpkg -i --force-overwrite on some packages But it is (a) beta (b) wonderful -jh ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: mozilla browser
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 11:00:12 Dan Dennedy wrote: FYI - a new browser using mozilla engine: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users I've got it installed on my n800 and so far the only thing it's missing from minimo is that it doesn't do tabs (tabs are good please include tabs). Other wise it's actually more stable than either minimo or opera. Youtube keeps working etc. Kudo's to the dev team on this one. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: mozilla browser
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 14:29:05 James Sparenberg wrote: On Tuesday 17 July 2007 11:00:12 Dan Dennedy wrote: FYI - a new browser using mozilla engine: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users I've got it installed on my n800 and so far the only thing it's missing from minimo is that it doesn't do tabs (tabs are good please include tabs). Other wise it's actually more stable than either minimo or opera. Youtube keeps working etc. Kudo's to the dev team on this one. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users BTW I did file a feature request in Bugzilla for tab browsing to be included. If anyone agrees and would like to vote for the bug it can be found here. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 I've run this new browser through some of the sticky points I've had with the opera version and so far things are looking pretty good. Every site I go to recognizes the browser (Like banks) javascript is working much cleaner. All in all I think it's a really good move to go with this browser. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Anyone (especially Nokia types) going to LinuxWorld SF?
With Linux World a couple of weeks away just wondering who's going James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find a workaround!
Dear friends, Let me begin my saying that I *love* by N800 and I wonder how I have ever lived without it in the past. I use it all day long, to check my emails, get the news, listen to music, calculate my weekly spending, read ebooks, etc. I looked long and hard for something like a internet-capable, ebook-reading handheld device and after careful consideration I choose the N800 and it is way better than my expectations. I love of OS, the interface, and I have found many truly excellent third party software. So please do not take offense at what follows, but I am also really frustrated with the N800. I want to tell you what bugs me so much and ask you whether you found a way around the two issues which make me grind my teeth and get gastric reflux. 1) OS updates and backups I am totally appalled that an operating system based on Debian was re-designed so much that the only way to update the OS is to download a file, use a flasher, then loose all the data and configuration on the unit and, even worse, use all the downloaded applications. Not only that, but it turns out that the backup application does not always work between the backups and that when it works it does not really backup the configuration at all. Holy cow! How does one take something as beautiful as apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade and reduce it to such a total disaster?! To cap it all, there are entire threads on the Internet Tablet Forumshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/which discuss all the crashes, bugs, and other problems with new version of the OS! That is, in my mind, the single worst design flaw in the N800. I have 15 third party applications (taken from 12 'application catalogs), I have Xterm with such things as mc and wget installed, I have ssh installed and configured to give me root access when needed, I have 12 RSS feeds I use daily, I have a well-filled contacts list, a long internet radio list, etc. IF I flash my unit it is going to take me hours to get all this back. I will need to backup and restore /etc/apt/source.list manually only to try to remember where I got which app (but I still will not be able to apt-get). It is going to take me hours... 2) Repositories: Nokia followed a rather strange repo policy. There are the basic Nokia catalog and the Nokia 3rd party catalog. And after that, you are on your own. For example, one of the most amazing application on the N800 is the FBReader which has its own repo. There is also a Maemo repo, and a maemo-hackers repo. And a bora-extras. And claws-mail repo. And many more. That's just crazy! Why did Nokia not follow Ubuntu's policy of having a Main, Restricted, Universe and Multi-universehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubunturepos in one place. Multiple repos are just an stability/security risk for the unit, IMO. It would take Nokia just a couple of employees to maintain such a one-place repository and it would immensely improve the capability of the unit. Debian can boast that it now has 19000+ applications. Of course, having a different architecture the N800 could not do that, but would it not be a good selling point to say, for example, the iPhone offers you 10 applications (or whatever, I made this number up), the N800 offers 127 (or whatever number). These two issues are, of course, linked and my best guess is that the folks who designed the N800 either were not truly used to the GNU/Linux way of doing things, or were overruled/micromanaged by a bunch of suits. I just cannot imagine anyone who has 'walked' the Debian way settling for this kind of nightmarish updating scenario... So here is my question to you: Has anyone figured a safe and easy way around all this mess? Has anyone written an application which would *really* backup all the data, applications, source list and settings from an N800 to a single file which could then be used to restore? Then the unit could be flashed, the OS updated, this one script downloaded and a real one-step (if not one click) backup would follow. Is there another workaround hack which would make it possible to update the OS safely, rapidly and painlessly? How are you all handling this? Last but not least, is there any hope at all to see an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -capable N800 in the future? Many thanks for any pointers, Andrei ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find a workaround!
It was mentioned in list just a few days ago I think that next firmware would provide for backup/restore functionality of apps. I also believe apt-updates for all was in future roadmap too. mike andrei raevsky wrote: Dear friends, Let me begin my saying that I *love* by N800 and I wonder how I have ever lived without it in the past. I use it all day long, to check my emails, get the news, listen to music, calculate my weekly spending, read ebooks, etc. I looked long and hard for something like a internet-capable, ebook-reading handheld device and after careful consideration I choose the N800 and it is way better than my expectations. I love of OS, the interface, and I have found many truly excellent third party software. So please do not take offense at what follows, but I am also really frustrated with the N800. I want to tell you what bugs me so much and ask you whether you found a way around the two issues which make me grind my teeth and get gastric reflux. 1) OS updates and backups I am totally appalled that an operating system based on Debian was re-designed so much that the only way to update the OS is to download a file, use a flasher, then loose all the data and configuration on the unit and, even worse, use all the downloaded applications. Not only that, but it turns out that the backup application does not always work between the backups and that when it works it does not really backup the configuration at all. Holy cow! How does one take something as beautiful as apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade and reduce it to such a total disaster?! To cap it all, there are entire threads on the Internet Tablet Forums http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ which discuss all the crashes, bugs, and other problems with new version of the OS! That is, in my mind, the single worst design flaw in the N800. I have 15 third party applications (taken from 12 'application catalogs), I have Xterm with such things as mc and wget installed, I have ssh installed and configured to give me root access when needed, I have 12 RSS feeds I use daily, I have a well-filled contacts list, a long internet radio list, etc. IF I flash my unit it is going to take me hours to get all this back. I will need to backup and restore /etc/apt/source.list manually only to try to remember where I got which app (but I still will not be able to apt-get). It is going to take me hours... 2) Repositories: Nokia followed a rather strange repo policy. There are the basic Nokia catalog and the Nokia 3rd party catalog. And after that, you are on your own. For example, one of the most amazing application on the N800 is the FBReader which has its own repo. There is also a Maemo repo, and a maemo-hackers repo. And a bora-extras. And claws-mail repo. And many more. That's just crazy! Why did Nokia not follow Ubuntu's policy of having a Main, Restricted, Universe and Multi-universe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu repos in one place. Multiple repos are just an stability/security risk for the unit, IMO. It would take Nokia just a couple of employees to maintain such a one-place repository and it would immensely improve the capability of the unit. Debian can boast that it now has 19000+ applications. Of course, having a different architecture the N800 could not do that, but would it not be a good selling point to say, for example, the iPhone offers you 10 applications (or whatever, I made this number up), the N800 offers 127 (or whatever number). These two issues are, of course, linked and my best guess is that the folks who designed the N800 either were not truly used to the GNU/Linux way of doing things, or were overruled/micromanaged by a bunch of suits. I just cannot imagine anyone who has 'walked' the Debian way settling for this kind of nightmarish updating scenario... So here is my question to you: Has anyone figured a safe and easy way around all this mess? Has anyone written an application which would *really* backup all the data, applications, source list and settings from an N800 to a single file which could then be used to restore? Then the unit could be flashed, the OS updated, this one script downloaded and a real one-step (if not one click) backup would follow. Is there another workaround hack which would make it possible to update the OS safely, rapidly and painlessly? How are you all handling this? Last but not least, is there any hope at all to see an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -capable N800 in the future? Many thanks for any pointers, Andrei ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org
Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find a workaround!
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 17:41:23 Mike Klein wrote: It was mentioned in list just a few days ago I think that next firmware would provide for backup/restore functionality of apps. I also believe apt-updates for all was in future roadmap too. mike Note that the question on apt-get was why it was broken/avoided, not if it would be included, as to not use it required the greater effort. On the other hand, the backup problem has been brought up since at least last summer... I understand Andrei's frustration and could offer him two stop gaps. 1 is the rsync backup program in the garage, and the other is using dselect with dpkg and having it automate the install of all of your programs. Beyond that I've always been curious as to why the default file manager can't see /usr/home/user, but can see /usr/home/user/Mydocs? Part of the problem (I'm peering in, not in the know on this) I can surmise surrounding the lack of a single 3rd party repository comes with Nokia (the company not individuals) and their legal Dept still working on getting a handle on OSS and what people are used to. I can see where legal may have problems with liability in relation to what people install, if they perceive that Nokia endorses it. (which the company supplied repo would imply) This is why RH Mandriva Ubuntu etc require you to submit 3rd party packages in source form for them to build/vet as well as often requiring some means of verification as to who you really are. Nokia really does need a Dag Wiers for this I think. I too would like some formality around some of this. Perhaps a consensus on package categories. Since clicking all and then scrolling is the only practical way to find out what is installable it seems that every dev has a different type of category and a different way of spelling it. ;) and a simpler way of retaining the all important /etc/apt/sources.list (which btw does get retained on the n800 most of the time.) for the 770 I'm not pitching this to argue but discuss so please don't take offense to what I'm pointing out. James andrei raevsky wrote: Dear friends, Let me begin my saying that I *love* by N800 and I wonder how I have ever lived without it in the past. I use it all day long, to check my emails, get the news, listen to music, calculate my weekly spending, read ebooks, etc. I looked long and hard for something like a internet-capable, ebook-reading handheld device and after careful consideration I choose the N800 and it is way better than my expectations. I love of OS, the interface, and I have found many truly excellent third party software. So please do not take offense at what follows, but I am also really frustrated with the N800. I want to tell you what bugs me so much and ask you whether you found a way around the two issues which make me grind my teeth and get gastric reflux. 1) OS updates and backups I am totally appalled that an operating system based on Debian was re-designed so much that the only way to update the OS is to download a file, use a flasher, then loose all the data and configuration on the unit and, even worse, use all the downloaded applications. Not only that, but it turns out that the backup application does not always work between the backups and that when it works it does not really backup the configuration at all. Holy cow! How does one take something as beautiful as apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade and reduce it to such a total disaster?! To cap it all, there are entire threads on the Internet Tablet Forums http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ which discuss all the crashes, bugs, and other problems with new version of the OS! That is, in my mind, the single worst design flaw in the N800. I have 15 third party applications (taken from 12 'application catalogs), I have Xterm with such things as mc and wget installed, I have ssh installed and configured to give me root access when needed, I have 12 RSS feeds I use daily, I have a well-filled contacts list, a long internet radio list, etc. IF I flash my unit it is going to take me hours to get all this back. I will need to backup and restore /etc/apt/source.list manually only to try to remember where I got which app (but I still will not be able to apt-get). It is going to take me hours... 2) Repositories: Nokia followed a rather strange repo policy. There are the basic Nokia catalog and the Nokia 3rd party catalog. And after that, you are on your own. For example, one of the most amazing application on the N800 is the FBReader which has its own repo. There is also a Maemo repo, and a maemo-hackers repo. And a bora-extras. And claws-mail repo. And many more. That's just crazy! Why did Nokia not follow Ubuntu's policy of having a Main, Restricted, Universe and Multi-universe
RE: RTCom - SIP Service
I don't see it on the tableteer site. Tableteer is a site for end users and this software is under development, intended to developers and power users knowing what are they doing. Therefore http://maemo.org/ is the place. Please read the announcement before installing this software. Thank you. Quim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!
Hi Andrei, How does one take something as beautiful as apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade and reduce it to such a total disaster?! We can't compare Nokia with the Debian project just because both use .deb packages. The software development process is different, the end users are different, the guarantees are different, the deadlines are different and etc. crashes, bugs, and other problems with new version of the OS! One problem with the backups caused trouble to some users in the last release, yes. The dist-upgrade is not exempt of risks and trouble either. Since the times of Woody I have suffered some troublesome upgrades, both with Debian and Ubuntu. Haven't you? So it's not that simple, specially if you are Nokia and you have to provide perfect dist-upgrade's to your customers under guarantee. Nokia followed a rather strange repo policy. We have to sort out our repositories in the maemo space (the packages for developers) but the rest (that is what concerns you) is more or less ok, although needs some improvement as well. You mention several repositories that don't belong to us. We don't respond of them. We can't and won't stop developers from creating their own repositories. We offer a single repository extras to the maemo community. Perhaps we can do better, so some of them prefer to come to extras instead of creating their own repos: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558 Why did Nokia not follow Ubuntu's policy of having a Main, Restricted, Universe and Multi- universe Because the Internet Tablet OS and the maemo SDK are not formed by a full distribution. In fact it's not that different (don't take this as literal): Main: more or less the Internet Tablet OS released as image, no packages. Restricted (+ Canonical Commercial?): http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ Universe: http://repository.maemo.org/extras Multiverse: probably something in the extras repositories could fall here Then we have the maemo repositories, for developers, that need a better organization. We put them separate from tableteer or extras not to confuse end users. And there are multiple 3rd party repositories, which might be confusing. But well, Ubuntu users can also get lots of them i.e. http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-reposito ry-list-file.html It depends on how far you want to go from what is stable and officially supported. Your choice. the iPhone offers you 10 applications (or whatever, I made this number up), the N800 offers 127 (or whatever number). Playing evil's advocate we could say that Symbian or Windows CE have a lot more without needing repositories. ;) Good tools for developers and a stable and attractive platform are heavier factors to get a wide collection of 3rd party applications. Imagine that we decide to put the 2 persons improving this instead of administrating a distro. But yes, got your point and we share your view on the benefits a distribution based on packages would bring. We probably have a more accurate idea of the effort and risks it takes, though. the folks who designed the N800 either were not truly used to the GNU/Linux way of doing things I must say that in our team there are several pharisees in the Debian APT doctrines, not to go in details about other corners of the GNU/Linux spectrum. or were overruled/micromanaged by a bunch of suits. Sorry, no suits involved. Last but not least, is there any hope at all to see an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -capable N800 in the future? Yes: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-July/010860.html Quim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
