Re: Strange Surfing Problem

2008-01-31 Thread Tilman Vogel
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Hi!

Could you maybe specify which device and which exact OS version you are
using? Also, is it web page specific or does no web page at all open
directly from the bookmarks?

Tilman
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Re: installing Debian packages on N810

2008-01-31 Thread Martin Grimme
If you can satisfy all dependencies without messing up the system, it
should be possible.
It worked this way with Debian ARM packages on OS 2005 which used to
be ARM instead of EABI ARM.


Cheers,
Martin

2008/1/30, Jeffrey Mark Siskind [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Is it possible to install Debian armel (EABI ARM) packages from sid (unstable)
 on an N810? The particular packages in question are emacs21 and texlive.

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Re: installing skype on N810

2008-01-31 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Erik Hovland wrote:
 That is the cause. Flash the updated version of the OS and skype will
 install without issue.
   

 Since maemo is loosely based on Debian, what are the chances we'll ever 
 see an incremental upgrade path akin to an 'apt-get upgrade' instead of 
 being required to flash the device every time a minor release comes out? 

The chances are quite high.  It's the obvious thing to do.  I can't
make any promises about just when it will happen, but if it doesn't
happen this year, I would blame myself personally.

 I can maybe understand going from 2007 to 2008 but a dot release 
 shouldn't have to be such a hassle to move to, should it? It is tedious 
 to have to reinstall all my other applications in the event that I might 
 want to install something like Skype that requires the latest libraries. 
 And if it's the new app's fault, why can't the libraries be upgraded 
 instead as with any other standard Linux distro?

There are at least two points here, and maemo can improve with regard
to both:

- the libraries could be more relaxed (but still correct) in
  specifying what dependencies applications should use that link to
  them,

- and we could make newer versions of libraries available to everyone
  so that applications can drag them in on demand.

Newer versions of dpkg-shlibdeps will compute more relaxed shlibs
dependencies so that a newer version of a library will only be
required when the new features in it are actually used[1].

But even when packages use the most-relaxed-but-still-correct
dependencies, we should have a better way to roll out API additions
and let applications use them.

Right now, when an application needs a newer system library than what
you have on your device, you need to upgrade your whole operating
system by re-flashing.

What is going to happen next is that you still need to upgrade your
whole operating system even if you only want a single newer library,
but you can do it by installing a bunch of packages from a repository.
It will very likely be so that you still need to initiate this upgrade
explicitly, but the Application Manager will hopefully tell you very
clearly that you need to do it in order to install the application
that needs the newer library.

The usual way is that apt-get would just upgrade the library along
with the application, without making any big fuss about it.  I (at
least) am not very comfortable with this right now, since it would
mean that you get operating system configurations on your device that
Nokia has never tested.


Yeah, I need to sit down and precisely specify the upgrade computation
performed by the Application Manager.  Right now, it's not nearly as
smart as apt-get or aptitude, but I don't want to just use their
algorithms either since they are prone to killing the system by
accidentally removing important packages.  (I don't really blame that
on apt-get or aptitude, I'd say it's more a problem of maemo not
telling apt what is important.)


[1] http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps
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Re: installing Debian packages on N810

2008-01-31 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Jeffrey Mark Siskind [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Is it possible to install Debian armel (EABI ARM) packages from sid
 (unstable) on an N810?

Only by accident.  There is no defined relationship between maemo and
Debian.

 The particular packages in question are emacs21 and texlive.

Yay, academics on the run, ready to toss out a paper wherever they
go... :-)
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Myself

2008-01-31 Thread Don Birdsall
If you can satisfy all dependencies without messing up the system, it
should be possible.
It worked this way with Debian ARM packages on OS 2005 which used to
be ARM instead of EABI ARM.


Cheers,
Martin

2008/1/30, Jeffrey Mark Siskind [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Is it possible to install Debian armel (EABI ARM) packages from sid (unstable)
 on an N810? The particular packages in question are emacs21 and texlive.

 Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi)
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About Audio Video Player on Nokia 770

2008-01-31 Thread Sharath Mudalamane
Hello,

 

Is the Audio  Video Player on Nokia 770 based on gstreamer and
gst-plugins? If so, where can I find the source code for the same!

 

Thanks and regards,

Sharath

 



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Re: pairing N810 with Freedom Mini Duo

2008-01-31 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 03:45:24PM -0500, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote:
 I have managed to pair my N810 with a (brand new) Freedom Mini Duo bluetooth
 keyboard in HID mode. But while most keys seem to work, the four keys
 7/ u/U k/K ./ (coincidentally along a diagonal) don't work. When I press
 them (shifted or unshifted) no keystroke appears. (This is just from typing
 into vi, I don't have xev installed to determine for sure what is happening.)
 Does anybody have any experience with this? Is this likely to be a faulty
 keyboard or some software quirk?
 
 Also, can anybody point me to an OS2008 port of xev?

http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/xev_1.0.2-0ubuntu1mg1_armel.deb

Yes, I should upload it to Maemo Extras.

What's the proper Section: to use for a power-user command-line package
like this?

Here's the list of official section names:
http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html#sections

I'm thinking about Tools or Other.

Marius Gedminas
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Re: installing skype on N810

2008-01-31 Thread Gary
Marius Vollmer wrote:
 The chances are quite high.  It's the obvious thing to do.  I can't
 make any promises about just when it will happen, but if it doesn't
 happen this year, I would blame myself personally.
   

Thank you for giving this some serious thought, Marius. I have to say 
that my experience with the Nokia tablet has been quite pleasant and 
I've been recommending it to several friends over the past couple of 
years (has it really been that long since the 770 came out?). Despite 
being a regular Mac user and unix sysadmin, I'm personally not too fond 
of the iPhone model of use and development; comparatively small 
all-in-one device, (for now) closed SDK w/o hacking, etc. So I'm pretty 
excited to see where maemo ends up in the future. If nobody has said it 
enough, I appreciate all the hard work of the various OS and application 
developers out there making this such a fun device to use.

-Gary
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Re: installing skype on N810

2008-01-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, short of Skype being available on the 2008 OS n8xx platform, there 
is the 'almost free' option to use Gismo project and just phone out 
whoever isn't on Gismo with minutes you buy for a notch less than 2 
cents a minute.   I'm not sure how it all works, but apparently 
according the Gismo web site you can also use the same minutes for video 
conversations with various messenger services that support video such as 
Windows Messenger Live (or whatever it's called), if you really want the 
video option instead of pidgin IM.  Twenty bucks gets you 1000 minutes.  
Not free, but pretty close.  Also, the minutes don't disappear at the 
end of the month... 

Gary wrote:
 Marius Vollmer wrote:
   
 The chances are quite high.  It's the obvious thing to do.  I can't
 make any promises about just when it will happen, but if it doesn't
 happen this year, I would blame myself personally.
   
 

 Thank you for giving this some serious thought, Marius. I have to say 
 that my experience with the Nokia tablet has been quite pleasant and 
 I've been recommending it to several friends over the past couple of 
 years (has it really been that long since the 770 came out?). Despite 
 being a regular Mac user and unix sysadmin, I'm personally not too fond 
 of the iPhone model of use and development; comparatively small 
 all-in-one device, (for now) closed SDK w/o hacking, etc. So I'm pretty 
 excited to see where maemo ends up in the future. If nobody has said it 
 enough, I appreciate all the hard work of the various OS and application 
 developers out there making this such a fun device to use.

 -Gary
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Re: installing skype on N810

2008-01-31 Thread Luca Olivetti
En/na [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrit:

 Not free, but pretty close.  Also, the minutes don't disappear at the 
 end of the month... 

According to
http://www.gizmoproject.com/e-commerce-policies.html
credit expires 180 days after purchase.

Bye
-- 
Luca
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switching windows

2008-01-31 Thread Jeffrey Mark Siskind
I installed openssh on an N810. I logged into a remote Linux machine,
tunneling X, and ran emacs. The window came up on my N810 and I was able to
use the remote emacs (the very little that I tried). But I then clicked on the
V (i.e. the underlined down caret icon next to the X icon at the top of the
 -
window, which I presume is minimize). And then I was not able to reexpose and
reselect the window. While native app windows have icons that appear on the
left side of the root window, this did not. And when I click on the icon at
the llower left of the screen it popped up a menu of two windows but did not
include the remove X window.

Is there are way to reexpose/reselect/refocus a remove X window with the
default Maemo window manager?

Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi)
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how do I find out the IP address assigned?

2008-01-31 Thread Jeffrey Mark Siskind
I noticed that ifconfig is not installed on OS2008. How do I find out the IP
address assigned by DHCP?

Also, will anything break in the standard software if I change the hostname
and/or domain?

Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi)
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Re: how do I find out the IP address assigned?

2008-01-31 Thread Jonathan Greene
Open connection manager  - menu - internet connection - ip address 

- Original message -
I noticed that ifconfig is not installed on OS2008. How do I find out the IP
address assigned by DHCP?

Also, will anything break in the standard software if I change the hostname
and/or domain?

    Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi)
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Elektex bluetooth SPP keyboard

2008-01-31 Thread Jeffrey Mark Siskind
I'm trying to use an Elektex bluetooth SPP keyboard (aka RoKy2) with the N810.

   http://www.elektex.com

(click on Mobile Computing then either Just Mobile or G-Tech)

I've obtained the driver from

   http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#kbdd

I've been able to pair the device and have tried several (but not all) of the
keyboard type settings and none of them seem to work with the Elektex.

Has anybody modified this driver to work with the Elektek keyboard? Can
someone tell me how to contact the author (Frantisek Dufka)?

Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi)
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Re: how do I find out the IP address assigned?

2008-01-31 Thread Wayne Fiori
From the shell

/sbin/ifconfig -a

/sbin isn't in the users' path.
--
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On 1/31/08, Jeffrey Mark Siskind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I noticed that ifconfig is not installed on OS2008. How do I find out the IP
 address assigned by DHCP?

 Also, will anything break in the standard software if I change the hostname
 and/or domain?

 Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi)
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