How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Hello, I would like the replace the default Email program that came with my n810. I have found a newer version called Modest which seems to work better, but now I have two programs (and icons) called Email in the apps menu. When i use the Application Manager, i can only uninstall software i have installed, i can't see how to uninstall default software that came with the unit. Regards, /t ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
tanguyr wrote: Hello, I would like the replace the default Email program that came with my n810. I have found a newer version called Modest which seems to work better, but now I have two programs (and icons) called Email in the apps menu. When i use the Application Manager, i can only uninstall software i have installed, i can't see how to uninstall default software that came with the unit. Regards, /t You can't. (at this time at least, there are rumors that Modest might replace the existing email app in future versions, but right now you just have to cope with two email programs.) Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
It's more than a rumor ... but we have to wait for an official Modest release and then it will likely be an option to set as was the case with MicroB when it was released. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tanguyr wrote: Hello, I would like the replace the default Email program that came with my n810. I have found a newer version called Modest which seems to work better, but now I have two programs (and icons) called Email in the apps menu. When i use the Application Manager, i can only uninstall software i have installed, i can't see how to uninstall default software that came with the unit. Regards, /t You can't. (at this time at least, there are rumors that Modest might replace the existing email app in future versions, but right now you just have to cope with two email programs.) Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
I have found that running the N800 through a ground loop isolator helps immensely - especially if you are charging the device as you use it. The Radio Shack ground loop isolator (RS #270-054) works well for this. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Ryan, Jonathan, OK, too bad - but thanks for the info. Can i assume this goes for all default apps (i also wanted to drop the default media player for Canola2)? Regs, /t On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more than a rumor ... but we have to wait for an official Modest release and then it will likely be an option to set as was the case with MicroB when it was released. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tanguyr wrote: Hello, I would like the replace the default Email program that came with my n810. I have found a newer version called Modest which seems to work better, but now I have two programs (and icons) called Email in the apps menu. When i use the Application Manager, i can only uninstall software i have installed, i can't see how to uninstall default software that came with the unit. Regards, /t You can't. (at this time at least, there are rumors that Modest might replace the existing email app in future versions, but right now you just have to cope with two email programs.) Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
at least with media player options there's no default file association and if you simply open canola it will play what's on your device. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:31 AM, tanguyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan, Jonathan, OK, too bad - but thanks for the info. Can i assume this goes for all default apps (i also wanted to drop the default media player for Canola2)? Regs, /t On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more than a rumor ... but we have to wait for an official Modest release and then it will likely be an option to set as was the case with MicroB when it was released. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tanguyr wrote: Hello, I would like the replace the default Email program that came with my n810. I have found a newer version called Modest which seems to work better, but now I have two programs (and icons) called Email in the apps menu. When i use the Application Manager, i can only uninstall software i have installed, i can't see how to uninstall default software that came with the unit. Regards, /t You can't. (at this time at least, there are rumors that Modest might replace the existing email app in future versions, but right now you just have to cope with two email programs.) Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
OK, if i can't get rid of the Email and Media player apps, is it possible to get rid of the icons from the apps menu (out of sight... out of mind)? Regs, /t On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at least with media player options there's no default file association and if you simply open canola it will play what's on your device. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:31 AM, tanguyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan, Jonathan, OK, too bad - but thanks for the info. Can i assume this goes for all default apps (i also wanted to drop the default media player for Canola2)? Regs, /t On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more than a rumor ... but we have to wait for an official Modest release and then it will likely be an option to set as was the case with MicroB when it was released. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tanguyr wrote: Hello, I would like the replace the default Email program that came with my n810. I have found a newer version called Modest which seems to work better, but now I have two programs (and icons) called Email in the apps menu. When i use the Application Manager, i can only uninstall software i have installed, i can't see how to uninstall default software that came with the unit. Regards, /t You can't. (at this time at least, there are rumors that Modest might replace the existing email app in future versions, but right now you just have to cope with two email programs.) Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Hey I tried modest and how do I voice my opinion on the delete function. One of the things I like about the builtin email client is I get the option every time I delete whether or not to delete off of the server. I use my home desktop as my forever tank. Most emails I just receive on the n810 first, delete and never care about. However for a few I like to receive them on the N810, delete from the N810 only and then archive onto the desktop the next time I download emails to that machine. I don't see a way to do this easily with modest. I know there is the setting in the account but then I would be constantly changing it back and forth and you don't also get any indication when you are going to delete which way the setting is. Any hope the modest guys will change the delete prompt to be like the builtin nokia email app, or atleast give me a setting as to whether I want the option at delete time. tim On 03/13/2008 06:18, tanguyr wrote: OK, if i can't get rid of the Email and Media player apps, is it possible to get rid of the icons from the apps menu (out of sight... out of mind)? Regs, /t On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at least with media player options there's no default file association and if you simply open canola it will play what's on your device. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:31 AM, tanguyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan, Jonathan, OK, too bad - but thanks for the info. Can i assume this goes for all default apps (i also wanted to drop the default media player for Canola2)? Regs, /t On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more than a rumor ... but we have to wait for an official Modest release and then it will likely be an option to set as was the case with MicroB when it was released. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tanguyr wrote: Hello, I would like the replace the default Email program that came with my n810. I have found a newer version called Modest which seems to work better, but now I have two programs (and icons) called Email in the apps menu. When i use the Application Manager, i can only uninstall software i have installed, i can't see how to uninstall default software that came with the unit. Regards, /t You can't. (at this time at least, there are rumors that Modest might replace the existing email app in future versions, but right now you just have to cope with two email programs.) Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Tim Ashman ha scritto: Hey I tried modest and how do I voice my opinion on the delete function. One of the things I like about the builtin email client is I get the option every time I delete whether or not to delete off of the server. I use my home desktop as my forever tank. Most emails I just receive on the n810 first, delete and never care about. However for a few I like to receive them on the N810, delete from the N810 only and then archive onto the desktop the next time I download emails to that machine. I don't see a way to do this easily with modest. I know there is the setting in the account but then I would be constantly changing it back and forth and you don't also get any indication when you are going to delete which way the setting is. Any hope the modest guys will change the delete prompt to be like the builtin nokia email app, or atleast give me a setting as to whether I want the option at delete time. It is always interesting how the view of the world are different. As my email(s) are on IMAP servers, what I *really* hate of the Nokia apps is the continous asking me if I want to delete on the server... ;-) Worse, sometimes the mail folder is not syncronized, so I find the same messages waiting unread for me... On a separate point: I have several nasty bugs on modest, not showing me emails from a configured second account; not quoting reply if original message have tables etc. The worser bug is that, if you configure modest to autocheck emails, there is no way to quit the program. It always check emails (after a formal File-Quit) and the advice opens the regular Email app... So it is completely unuseful (I keep it disabled and fire up the program to check emails). The problem is: where can I submit bugs (or asking about may be bugs) in Modest? I don't find any forum nor mailing list... TIA, gt ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Modest feedback (was: How do i uninstall the default Email program?)
Tim Ashman wrote: Hey I tried modest and how do I voice my opinion ... As usual with free software projects, there are mailing lists and a bug database: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=9 http://bugs.maemo.org (Communication/Modest) Jussi ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 02:18:50PM +0100, tanguyr wrote: OK, if i can't get rid of the Email and Media player apps, is it possible to get rid of the icons from the apps menu (out of sight... out of mind)? Since I don't use the default help or rhapsody menu items and wasn't able to find any way to delete their icons from the menu, I just added a Junk category to the end of the menu and moved them into it. They're still there, but well out of sight, since Junk doesn't appear on the screen unless I scroll down. -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:21 AM, David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found that running the N800 through a ground loop isolator helps immensely - especially if you are charging the device as you use it. The Radio Shack ground loop isolator (RS #270-054) works well for this. Yes, this is key. The n800 will transmit noise via the headphone jack if you are charging at the same time, particularly when charging from something from something that can leak tiny amounts of AC current back to the amplifier. This is pretty much the case every time when charging and connected to a AC-powered amplifier or even a DC amp where you're using 120V inverter or 12V charger connected to the same battery. That's why it's minimized when using a tape adapter; there is very little AC coupling between the tape read head and the tape adapter. Like the ground loop islolator, an audio transformer will do the trick too (You'll need a 1:1 ratio on the windings). Just my 2 cents- Larry ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Hi, ext Giacomo Tufano wrote: Tim Ashman ha scritto: Hey I tried modest and how do I voice my opinion on the delete function. One of the things I like about the builtin email client is I get the option every time I delete whether or not to delete off of the server. I use my home desktop as my forever tank. Most emails I just receive on the n810 first, delete and never care about. However for a few I like to receive them on the N810, delete from the N810 only and then archive onto the desktop the next time I download emails to that machine. I don't see a way to do this easily with modest. I know there is the setting in the account but then I would be constantly changing it back and forth and you don't also get any indication when you are going to delete which way the setting is. Any hope the modest guys will change the delete prompt to be like the builtin nokia email app, or atleast give me a setting as to whether I want the option at delete time. It is always interesting how the view of the world are different. As my email(s) are on IMAP servers, what I *really* hate of the Nokia apps is the continous asking me if I want to delete on the server... ;-) Worse, sometimes the mail folder is not syncronized, so I find the same messages waiting unread for me... On a separate point: I have several nasty bugs on modest, not showing me emails from a configured second account; not quoting reply if original message have tables etc. The worser bug is that, if you configure modest to autocheck emails, there is no way to quit the program. It always check emails (after a formal File-Quit) and the advice opens the regular Email app... So it is completely unuseful (I keep it disabled and fire up the program to check emails). The problem is: where can I submit bugs (or asking about may be bugs) in Modest? I don't find any forum nor mailing list... Click to mailing-list on Modest site: http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ And you see the mailing lists: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=9 Bugs are reported similarly to other Garage projects i.e. to garage bug tracker, see the Modest project page: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/modest/ For bug tracker: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=109group_id=9func=browse - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Navit in n810
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, For those like me that own the N810 but doesn't live in a country supported by the included Map (Wayfinder) application, there's a project called Navit (http://navit.sourceforge.net/?page=home) that supports Garmin vector maps and can be compiled and used in Nokia internet tablets. If someone lives in Argentina, there's a free project (http://www.proyectomapear.com.ar/) that provides complete maps of Argentina in Garmin format. Instructions for compilation here: (http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_n770/n800) There's an open project in garage but no deb package is available. Regards, Pictures of the program running on Scratchbox: http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6854/screenshot5fs7.png Real device: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3125/screenshot02cp3.png ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
I am very familiar with the ground loop problem, and this is not related to that. Ground loop problems are a result of noise created by other devices, whereas this noise is created by the Nokia itself. It's also a completely different kind of noise - ground loops usually cause a whine (that varies with rpm's in a running vehicle), but this is a swishing white noise that seems to vary with the sound that the Nokia is playing. Also, no other devices, including my standalone mp3 player, exhibit this noise when connected identically. The reason the cassette adapter works is not because of isolation but because of completely different power and impedance characteristics - it's a lot closer to headphones than to a line input. Mark On 3/13/08, Larry Battraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:21 AM, David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found that running the N800 through a ground loop isolator helps immensely - especially if you are charging the device as you use it. The Radio Shack ground loop isolator (RS #270-054) works well for this. Yes, this is key. The n800 will transmit noise via the headphone jack if you are charging at the same time, particularly when charging from something from something that can leak tiny amounts of AC current back to the amplifier. This is pretty much the case every time when charging and connected to a AC-powered amplifier or even a DC amp where you're using 120V inverter or 12V charger connected to the same battery. That's why it's minimized when using a tape adapter; there is very little AC coupling between the tape read head and the tape adapter. Like the ground loop islolator, an audio transformer will do the trick too (You'll need a 1:1 ratio on the windings). Just my 2 cents- Larry ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Navit in n810
This sounds like a truly killer app, as it uses vector maps rather than converting everything to raster as Maemo Mapper does. However, I can't get it to build and install, an the documentation is currently extremey thin. Mark On 3/13/08, Alfredo J. Fabretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Alfredo J. Fabretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, For those like me that own the N810 but doesn't live in a country supported by the included Map (Wayfinder) application, there's a project called Navit (http://navit.sourceforge.net/?page=home) that supports Garmin vector maps and can be compiled and used in Nokia internet tablets. If someone lives in Argentina, there's a free project (http://www.proyectomapear.com.ar/) that provides complete maps of Argentina in Garmin format. Instructions for compilation here: (http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_n770/n800) There's an open project in garage but no deb package is available. Regards, Pictures of the program running on Scratchbox: http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6854/screenshot5fs7.png Real device: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3125/screenshot02cp3.png ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark wrote: I am very familiar with the ground loop problem, and this is not related to that. Ground loop problems are a result of noise created by other devices, whereas this noise is created by the Nokia itself. It's also a completely different kind of noise - ground loops usually cause a whine (that varies with rpm's in a running vehicle), but this is a swishing white noise that seems to vary with the sound that the Nokia is playing. Also, no other devices, including my standalone mp3 player, exhibit this noise when connected identically. The reason the cassette adapter works is not because of isolation but because of completely different power and impedance characteristics - it's a lot closer to headphones than to a line input. Yoiu original complaint didn;t seemo to list that you were charging at the same time, I think that was guesses at by other respondents, which while it doesn't rule it out (you could possibly have skipped that part) it makes it a bit less likely. However, the possibility raised of impednace mismatch, that's a very large likelihood, and yes, it could possibly be corrected by the proper repeat coil (transformer) being put in the way, or even a well designed amp, though I would personally like the repeat coil idea bettter, it would be less likely to inject even more noise. I would hazard a guess that from the very superior way that those teeny little speakers sound in their native environment, they probably went to quite some bother to get a very good match there ... you'll need to be as exacting yourself if you want to maintain the quality. Nokia might respond well to a suggestion of supplying some aftermarket device to serve as an amp/volume control/impedance matcher, it wouldn't cost all that much probably, and would probably be worth it to buy. Be right up their alley, designing/building/marketing such an article. Mark On 3/13/08, Larry Battraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:21 AM, David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found that running the N800 through a ground loop isolator helps immensely - especially if you are charging the device as you use it. The Radio Shack ground loop isolator (RS #270-054) works well for this. Yes, this is key. The n800 will transmit noise via the headphone jack if you are charging at the same time, particularly when charging from something from something that can leak tiny amounts of AC current back to the amplifier. This is pretty much the case every time when charging and connected to a AC-powered amplifier or even a DC amp where you're using 120V inverter or 12V charger connected to the same battery. That's why it's minimized when using a tape adapter; there is very little AC coupling between the tape read head and the tape adapter. Like the ground loop islolator, an audio transformer will do the trick too (You'll need a 1:1 ratio on the windings). Just my 2 cents- Larry ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2WrSz62J6PPcoOkRApxHAJ9CYEmNmPCPsQ3y3VmqL8uhsIgShACgn7Bp 01QgG5Srq2DFQl12BAg0sS4= =HfSd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Navit in n810
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like a truly killer app, as it uses vector maps rather than converting everything to raster as Maemo Mapper does. However, I can't get it to build and install, an the documentation is currently extremey thin. Mark I'll try to make a deb package for OS2008 and post it somewhere. The UI needs some cleaning up but it works pretty well. I contacted the guy in charge of libgarmin and says that routing is at 90% functional, so it's a matter of time to see it working at 100% in our tablets. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
On 3/13/08, Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yoiu original complaint didn;t seemo to list that you were charging at the same time, Because it's irrelevant; the noise is the same regardless of whether I'm charging or not, and I did say that it applied in non-automotive situations, which immediately rules out ground loop anyway. By the way, I have yet to try a ground loop isolator that actually works. Some do reduce the problem, but they never eliminate it entirely. The bottom line is that the problem you're trying to solve with those is with the aftermarket component's poor design and cheap connstruction, which can't. be fixed with an external gadget. If it were actually the vehicle, then why is it that factory stereos _never_ have that problem? There clearly is a design issue that the aftermarket engineers are ignoring. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
En/na Mark ha escrit: were actually the vehicle, then why is it that factory stereos _never_ have that problem? There clearly is a design issue that the aftermarket engineers are ignoring. I connect my nokia n800 to the line input of my car stereo (the factory one) and I don't hear such a high level of noise. The sensitivity of the line level is quite low (as reported by many users on a forum dedicated to my car model, so it's not a tablet problem), so I have to crank up both the tablet volume and the stereo volume, this in itself isn't a big problem, the problem is when I switch to another source (radio or cd) forgetting to turn the volume down ;-). Once I had a loud thumping noise while charging (with a cheap car charger) and it turns out the audio jack wasn't fully inserted in the socket. Bye. -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
On 3/13/08, Luca Olivetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I connect my nokia n800 to the line input of my car stereo (the factory one) and I don't hear such a high level of noise. The sensitivity of the line level is quite low (as reported by many users on a forum dedicated to my car model, so it's not a tablet problem), so I have to crank up both the tablet volume and the stereo volume, this in itself isn't a big problem, the problem is when I switch to another source (radio or cd) forgetting to turn the volume down ;-). Once I had a loud thumping noise while charging (with a cheap car charger) and it turns out the audio jack wasn't fully inserted in the socket. Bye. -- Luca I didn't mention that in so many words, but yes, the output level of the Nokia seems to be significantly less than optimum, and less than my mp3 player. I think that amplifies the problem. When I turn all the volume settings I can find on the Nokia all the way up, the noise seems to lessen, and not just as a matter of perception because the music is louder. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
tanguyr wrote: Ryan, Jonathan, OK, too bad - but thanks for the info. Can i assume this goes for all default apps (i also wanted to drop the default media player for Canola2)? It's unfortunate that Nokia didn't try to learn from other attempts at Linux-based pocket devices, notably the Sharp Zaurus, where the same problem occurred. It is abundantly unclear to me why the builtin mail, calendar, and contacts under OS2007 were chosen when they are quite seriously lacking in key functionality compared with the obvious possibilities (eg GPE apps); especially when the web browser and other apps are pretty good. Making them non-removable merely adds unnecessarily to the problem. I believe it is even not possible to switch default behaviours (so that clicking on an email address in the browser, or clicking on Contacts in some other app, will pop up your installed replacement instead of the builtin default), but I'm happy to be corrected on that. Just a small but annoying blemish on an otherwise excellent product. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Hi Dave, That sounds like a good enough solution for now. So then my next questions becomes how do i add a junk category to the end of the menu?. Is this something i can do through the UI or will i have to go to command line mode? Apologies in advance if this is explained somewhere, i just got my tablet and i'm still at the stage where every answer just raises two more questions ;) Regs, /t On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Dave Sherohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 02:18:50PM +0100, tanguyr wrote: OK, if i can't get rid of the Email and Media player apps, is it possible to get rid of the icons from the apps menu (out of sight... out of mind)? Since I don't use the default help or rhapsody menu items and wasn't able to find any way to delete their icons from the menu, I just added a Junk category to the end of the menu and moved them into it. They're still there, but well out of sight, since Junk doesn't appear on the screen unless I scroll down. -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Peter Flynn wrote: It's unfortunate that Nokia didn't try to learn from other attempts at Linux-based pocket devices, notably the Sharp Zaurus, where the same problem occurred. Or the Mac, for that matter. I'd love to send Mail.app on a one-way boat to hades but Apple has tangled it up with iCalendar. A workspace manager (window and desktop just don't seem to be the right metaphors any more) should have clean plug-in interfaces to key apps like mail, calendar, and users should be able to switch. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
Steve Yelvington wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: It's unfortunate that Nokia didn't try to learn from other attempts at Linux-based pocket devices, notably the Sharp Zaurus, where the same problem occurred. Or the Mac, for that matter. I'd love to send Mail.app on a one-way boat to hades but Apple has tangled it up with iCalendar. A workspace manager (window and desktop just don't seem to be the right metaphors any more) should have clean plug-in interfaces to key apps like mail, calendar, and users should be able to switch. Actually it's even infecting desktop distros...just try removing Evolution from Ubuntu and replacing it with Thunderbird. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Flynn escreveu: Actually it's even infecting desktop distros...just try removing Evolution from Ubuntu and replacing it with Thunderbird. I do that all the time without any issues. If you have a poroblem doing that I suggest you open a bug at launchpad.net or jump in a ubuntu mailing list. []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2aar2cB5Bt7H7YARAlpWAJ9QHhOEK/MufzANe0/FpG+kzHe/AACgq3St CSgnjmhBqxU9jnFOjktxrcE= =5in+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How do i uninstall the default Email program?
tanguyr wrote: That sounds like a good enough solution for now. So then my next questions becomes how do i add a junk category to the end of the menu?. Is this something i can do through the UI or will i have to go to command line mode? Apologies in advance if this is explained somewhere, i just got my tablet and i'm still at the stage where every answer just raises two more questions ;) On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Dave Sherohman[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 02:18:50PM +0100, tanguyr wrote: OK, if i can't get rid of the Email and Media player apps, is it possible to get rid of the icons from the apps menu (out of sight... out of mind)? Since I don't use the default help or rhapsody menu items and wasn't able to find any way to delete their icons from the menu, I just added a Junk category to the end of the menu and moved them into it. They're still there, but well out of sight, since Junk doesn't appear on the screen unless I scroll down. apps menu - settings - control panel - customization - panels - task bar - organize. (modulo things possibly lost in translation) 't. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very familiar with the ground loop problem, and this is not related to that. Ground loop problems are a result of noise created by other devices, whereas this noise is created by the Nokia itself. It's also a completely different kind of noise - ground loops usually cause a whine (that varies with rpm's in a running vehicle), but this is a swishing white noise that seems to vary with the sound that the Nokia is playing. Also, no other devices, including my standalone mp3 player, exhibit this noise when connected identically. The reason the cassette adapter works is not because of isolation but because of completely different power and impedance characteristics - it's a lot closer to headphones than to a line input. Mark We're obviously talking about different things. Mine only occurs when charging and is a pronounce alternating hum and buzz as the n800 draws current and pauses (Easy to see on a charger w/a LED). It stops the second I remove the charger. To demonstrate my point about the coupling I've connected the n800 to a switch-mode charger connected to batteries: it removes the noise completely. I used the term ground-loop because from the reference of the receiver your input has a ground, particularly if it's hooked to a PC as mine is which has a grounded output. The charger is not grounded and so floats in reference to the receiver except for the AC current induced by the switching of the power supply and current to the n800, coupled via the mains lines going to both the receiver and charger. Hence the noise. It doesn't necessarily fit the classic definition of a ground loop but was the closest thing I could think of. I'm puzzled by your description of low output levels. If anything, with both the speaker volume and the application volume up all the way I have to turn it down a bit to avoid overdriving what I'm connected to. The only thing I can think of is that you're not resetting the device volume to the maximum after plugging something into the headphone jack since that drops the volume automatically a fair bit. I've hooked it to plain amplified speakers, a guitar effects box, a cassette adapter, a Sony receiver, and myriad other devices with and without inline volume controls. I really don't think impedance has anything to do with it; my receiver measures at around 100K ohms for the inputs which is essentially infinite compared to the internal speakers or headphones and works well outside the charger noise. I did have one thought: when you connect it to whatever amplifier you're using have you tried using a 4-conductor audio plug? I believe the tip is powered (with a pull-up resistor) to support the headset microphone and your plug might be partially contacting that, causing noise. Larry ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Audio connection problem
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Larry Battraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're obviously talking about different things. Mine only occurs when charging and is a pronounce alternating hum and buzz as the n800 draws current and pauses (Easy to see on a charger w/a LED). It stops the second I remove the charger. To demonstrate my point about the coupling I've connected the n800 to a switch-mode charger connected to batteries: it removes the noise completely. I used the term ground-loop because from the reference of the receiver your input has a ground, particularly if it's hooked to a PC as mine is which has a grounded output. The charger is not grounded and so floats in reference to the receiver except for the AC current induced by the switching of the power supply and current to the n800, coupled via the mains lines going to both the receiver and charger. Hence the noise. It doesn't necessarily fit the classic definition of a ground loop but was the closest thing I could think of. I'm puzzled by your description of low output levels. If anything, with both the speaker volume and the application volume up all the way I have to turn it down a bit to avoid overdriving what I'm connected to. The only thing I can think of is that you're not resetting the device volume to the maximum after plugging something into the headphone jack since that drops the volume automatically a fair bit. I've hooked it to plain amplified speakers, a guitar effects box, a cassette adapter, a Sony receiver, and myriad other devices with and without inline volume controls. I really don't think impedance has anything to do with it; my receiver measures at around 100K ohms for the inputs which is essentially infinite compared to the internal speakers or headphones and works well outside the charger noise. I did have one thought: when you connect it to whatever amplifier you're using have you tried using a 4-conductor audio plug? I believe the tip is powered (with a pull-up resistor) to support the headset microphone and your plug might be partially contacting that, causing noise. Larry Yes, this is definitely not a hum, buzz or whine like you get with a ground problem. It's more of a variable hissing, like a really bad tape recording and the tape has been crinkled (although the music itself is fine). I've turned the volume(s) all the way up, both the master volume and in the media player app, which makes it a little better, but the noise is still pronounced to the point of intolerability. The noise gets worse during quiet or silent passages. I'm using a regular 3-conductor plug patch cord, and it's identical to the plug on the headphones I'm using that sound fine. I have several of those cords, and they all have the same result. Also, my mp3 player, DVD player and everything else I've tried sounds just fine using the same hookup and power points. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
