Cell Phone As Modem
When wireless connectivity isn't available, I've connected my N800 to the Internet through my Motorola Razr v3 through Bluetooth. It was slow (Edge) but it worked. But the Razr had to be replaced. I decided not to replace it with another Razr because I wanted a real keyboard AND I wanted the much faster 3G data transfer capability (it still has Edge if 3G isn't available). Based upon user reviews, I narrowed my search to two phones - the Motorola Moto Q and the Samsung Black Jack II. Both are smartphones and each has the above requirements plus they're both quad-band for world travel (another requirement). In the end, I bought the Black Jack II because it's smaller. When I got the phone, I paired it through Bluetooth to the Black Jack II. What I didn't do, however, was actually attempt to connect to the Internet (you know what they say about assumptions...). On a recent trip I discovered that I'm unable to connect my N800 to the Internet through the Black Jack II and according to ATT, the Black Jack II doesn't have that ability using Bluetooth. This past Friday, I again contacted ATT and they're willing to switch out the Black Jack II for the Moto Q since I'm within the 30-day grace period. So I have two questions that I'm hoping someone can answer: 1. Just to verify, has anyone used Bluetooth to connect a N770/800/810 device to the Internet through a Black Jack II? If so, maybe we can communicate the differences in our setups offline. 2. Has anyone used Bluetooth to connect a N770/800/810 device to the Internet through the Motorola Moto Q? I don't want to get the Moto Q if it won't work although I'm guessing it will if the Motorola Razr did. In advance - THANKS! Nick. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cell Phone As Modem
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: When wireless connectivity isn't available, I've connected my N800 to the Internet through my Motorola Razr v3 through Bluetooth. It was slow (Edge) but it worked. But the Razr had to be replaced. I decided not to replace it with another Razr because I wanted a real keyboard AND I wanted the much faster 3G data transfer capability (it still has Edge if 3G isn't available). Based upon user reviews, I narrowed my search to two phones - the Motorola Moto Q and the Samsung Black Jack II. Both are smartphones and each has the above requirements plus they're both quad-band for world travel (another requirement). In the end, I bought the Black Jack II because it's smaller. When I got the phone, I paired it through Bluetooth to the Black Jack II. What I didn't do, however, was actually attempt to connect to the Internet (you know what they say about assumptions...). On a recent trip I discovered that I'm unable to connect my N800 to the Internet through the Black Jack II and according to ATT, the Black Jack II doesn't have that ability using Bluetooth. This past Friday, I again contacted ATT and they're willing to switch out the Black Jack II for the Moto Q since I'm within the 30-day grace period. So I have two questions that I'm hoping someone can answer: 1. Just to verify, has anyone used Bluetooth to connect a N770/800/810 device to the Internet through a Black Jack II? If so, maybe we can communicate the differences in our setups offline. 2. Has anyone used Bluetooth to connect a N770/800/810 device to the Internet through the Motorola Moto Q? I don't want to get the Moto Q if it won't work although I'm guessing it will if the Motorola Razr did. In advance - THANKS! Nick. Hi Nick, I've had problems connecting my 770 to a phone from ATT. The customer service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. I was at the end of my contract and so, I switched to T-Mobile. It not only connects vis Bluetooth to do GPRS, I am also able to use Bluetooth to dial out to a 56K modem pool. Its slow, but works in a pinch. Now, this may not apply to you, because you seem to have purchased the Edge package, but for me, it was one more reason to not go with ATT. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cell Phone As Modem
I tether on average 2 hours a day (train commute) on ATT using my iPhone SIM and used the ATT MediaNet package previous to the iPhone. I am currently switching between the N82 and N95-3. The WinMo phones require PAN not DUN for bluetooth connectivity. You might try installing PAN support ... on Garage there are two projects, not sure which works best as I have not used either... https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/whitejack/ On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: When wireless connectivity isn't available, I've connected my N800 to the Internet through my Motorola Razr v3 through Bluetooth. It was slow (Edge) but it worked. But the Razr had to be replaced. I decided not to replace it with another Razr because I wanted a real keyboard AND I wanted the much faster 3G data transfer capability (it still has Edge if 3G isn't available). Based upon user reviews, I narrowed my search to two phones - the Motorola Moto Q and the Samsung Black Jack II. Both are smartphones and each has the above requirements plus they're both quad-band for world travel (another requirement). In the end, I bought the Black Jack II because it's smaller. When I got the phone, I paired it through Bluetooth to the Black Jack II. What I didn't do, however, was actually attempt to connect to the Internet (you know what they say about assumptions...). On a recent trip I discovered that I'm unable to connect my N800 to the Internet through the Black Jack II and according to ATT, the Black Jack II doesn't have that ability using Bluetooth. This past Friday, I again contacted ATT and they're willing to switch out the Black Jack II for the Moto Q since I'm within the 30-day grace period. So I have two questions that I'm hoping someone can answer: 1. Just to verify, has anyone used Bluetooth to connect a N770/800/810 device to the Internet through a Black Jack II? If so, maybe we can communicate the differences in our setups offline. 2. Has anyone used Bluetooth to connect a N770/800/810 device to the Internet through the Motorola Moto Q? I don't want to get the Moto Q if it won't work although I'm guessing it will if the Motorola Razr did. In advance - THANKS! Nick. Hi Nick, I've had problems connecting my 770 to a phone from ATT. The customer service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. I was at the end of my contract and so, I switched to T-Mobile. It not only connects vis Bluetooth to do GPRS, I am also able to use Bluetooth to dial out to a 56K modem pool. Its slow, but works in a pinch. Now, this may not apply to you, because you seem to have purchased the Edge package, but for me, it was one more reason to not go with ATT. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cell Phone As Modem
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:09:07PM +0300, Sameer Verma wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. I was at the end of my contract and so, I switched to T-Mobile. It not only connects vis The what? I'm sorry, that's just funny. I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that. You either have a data plan or you don't. Either way, if your phone is capable, you should be able to tether to it. Never listen to anything the ATT service people say. Firstly, one will usually tell you something completely different from what the next will say, and secondly, they're usually /both/ wrong. Like Jonathan, I use an N-series handset. It works perfectly for me and seems pretty quick on the 3g network. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cell Phone As Modem
Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:09:07PM +0300, Sameer Verma wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. The what? I'm sorry, that's just funny. I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that. You either have a data plan or you don't. Either way, if your phone is capable, you should be able to tether to it. It would be funny if it weren't true. Several providers hamstring their handsets to prevent tethering unless you sign up for it as an added feature. Verizon has bee doing this for years, I don't have experience with ATT but it wouldn't surprise me. Verizon calls it Broadband Access, it's an extra $15/month. If you do successfully workaround the block and tether your phone without the feature, you're in violation of your TOS. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Cell Phone As Modem
All, I have the 10MB plan and connection via Bluetooth worked with my Razr. What I'm interested in knowing is if anyone has connected to the Internet, via Bluetooth, with either the Black Jack II or Moto Q. I have the Black Jack II and it doesn't work and ATT doesn't believe it will work. They want to give me a Moto Q but I'm trying to verify if anyone has done this with the Moto Q before going ahead. If, as has been suggested (and I've experienced before), ATT technical support is wrong, then I just need to know how they do it. :-) Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lococo Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 14:46 To: Kevin T. Neely Cc: Dr. Nicholas Shaw; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Cell Phone As Modem Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:09:07PM +0300, Sameer Verma wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. The what? I'm sorry, that's just funny. I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that. You either have a data plan or you don't. Either way, if your phone is capable, you should be able to tether to it. It would be funny if it weren't true. Several providers hamstring their handsets to prevent tethering unless you sign up for it as an added feature. Verizon has bee doing this for years, I don't have experience with ATT but it wouldn't surprise me. Verizon calls it Broadband Access, it's an extra $15/month. If you do successfully workaround the block and tether your phone without the feature, you're in violation of your TOS. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cell Phone As Modem
Nick - It's a DUN vs PAN thing ... WinMo killed off DUN in favor of PAN connectivity. You need to install something (prior email with links) on the tablet to get it going. On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I have the 10MB plan and connection via Bluetooth worked with my Razr. What I'm interested in knowing is if anyone has connected to the Internet, via Bluetooth, with either the Black Jack II or Moto Q. I have the Black Jack II and it doesn't work and ATT doesn't believe it will work. They want to give me a Moto Q but I'm trying to verify if anyone has done this with the Moto Q before going ahead. If, as has been suggested (and I've experienced before), ATT technical support is wrong, then I just need to know how they do it. :-) Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lococo Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 14:46 To: Kevin T. Neely Cc: Dr. Nicholas Shaw; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Cell Phone As Modem Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:09:07PM +0300, Sameer Verma wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. The what? I'm sorry, that's just funny. I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that. You either have a data plan or you don't. Either way, if your phone is capable, you should be able to tether to it. It would be funny if it weren't true. Several providers hamstring their handsets to prevent tethering unless you sign up for it as an added feature. Verizon has bee doing this for years, I don't have experience with ATT but it wouldn't surprise me. Verizon calls it Broadband Access, it's an extra $15/month. If you do successfully workaround the block and tether your phone without the feature, you're in violation of your TOS. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Cell Phone As Modem
Jonathan, I know PAN; however, I had no problems using my Razr phone (Motorola) and Bluetooth to connect my N800 to the Internet. So I don't think my issue is a DUN vs. PAN issue. I think the issue is on the phone side. The N800 is paired with the Black Jack 2, it just can't connect. The Bluetooth symbol on the N800 briefly changes then the connection drops. In looking at the N800 phone section in the control panel, the Black Jack 2 has only one supported profile (OPP) while the Razr had three although I didn't write them down before I erased the Razr connection from the N800. I'm wondering (haven't done the research yet, still recovering from the trip) if the OPP profile is the limiting factor, e.g. I'm missing a supported profile in order to make it work. Thanks! Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Greene Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 17:52 To: Dr. Nicholas Shaw Cc: Mike Lococo; Kevin T. Neely; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Cell Phone As Modem Nick - It's a DUN vs PAN thing ... WinMo killed off DUN in favor of PAN connectivity. You need to install something (prior email with links) on the tablet to get it going. On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I have the 10MB plan and connection via Bluetooth worked with my Razr. What I'm interested in knowing is if anyone has connected to the Internet, via Bluetooth, with either the Black Jack II or Moto Q. I have the Black Jack II and it doesn't work and ATT doesn't believe it will work. They want to give me a Moto Q but I'm trying to verify if anyone has done this with the Moto Q before going ahead. If, as has been suggested (and I've experienced before), ATT technical support is wrong, then I just need to know how they do it. :-) Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lococo Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 14:46 To: Kevin T. Neely Cc: Dr. Nicholas Shaw; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Cell Phone As Modem Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:09:07PM +0300, Sameer Verma wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. The what? I'm sorry, that's just funny. I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that. You either have a data plan or you don't. Either way, if your phone is capable, you should be able to tether to it. It would be funny if it weren't true. Several providers hamstring their handsets to prevent tethering unless you sign up for it as an added feature. Verizon has bee doing this for years, I don't have experience with ATT but it wouldn't surprise me. Verizon calls it Broadband Access, it's an extra $15/month. If you do successfully workaround the block and tether your phone without the feature, you're in violation of your TOS. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cell Phone As Modem
I have (I think) exactly this problem with my new WinMo T-mobile phone. For the, ahem, less technical among us, once I have this package downloaded installed, what do I do with it? Start it up when I want to connect? Set it up to run always (how?) Thanks, Beth am currently switching between the N82 and N95-3. The WinMo phones require PAN not DUN for bluetooth connectivity. You might try installing PAN support ... on Garage there are two projects, not sure which works best as I have not used either... https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/whitejack/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cell Phone As Modem
Nick - I am almost positive it's because you don't have a phone that supports DUN which is the only method supported between a phone and the tablet. Just because they are paired does not mean they can connect for a tethered connection. OPP is Object Push - http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Technology/Works/OPP.htm There's a link here - http://palmsolo.jaiku.com/presence/21231832 - for an app to install on your winmo device to get it to work. Or you can try installing http://www.wmwifirouter.com/ which will let you create an adhoc hotspot from your mobile phone using the data connection and your tablet connects over wifi. I use JoikuSpot on my Nokia phones sometimes and this method is actually more reliable than DUN most of the time... though the phones get pretty hot and it does seem to use more battery as well. JG On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, I know PAN; however, I had no problems using my Razr phone (Motorola) and Bluetooth to connect my N800 to the Internet. So I don't think my issue is a DUN vs. PAN issue. I think the issue is on the phone side. The N800 is paired with the Black Jack 2, it just can't connect. The Bluetooth symbol on the N800 briefly changes then the connection drops. In looking at the N800 phone section in the control panel, the Black Jack 2 has only one supported profile (OPP) while the Razr had three although I didn't write them down before I erased the Razr connection from the N800. I'm wondering (haven't done the research yet, still recovering from the trip) if the OPP profile is the limiting factor, e.g. I'm missing a supported profile in order to make it work. Thanks! Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Greene Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 17:52 To: Dr. Nicholas Shaw Cc: Mike Lococo; Kevin T. Neely; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Cell Phone As Modem Nick - It's a DUN vs PAN thing ... WinMo killed off DUN in favor of PAN connectivity. You need to install something (prior email with links) on the tablet to get it going. On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I have the 10MB plan and connection via Bluetooth worked with my Razr. What I'm interested in knowing is if anyone has connected to the Internet, via Bluetooth, with either the Black Jack II or Moto Q. I have the Black Jack II and it doesn't work and ATT doesn't believe it will work. They want to give me a Moto Q but I'm trying to verify if anyone has done this with the Moto Q before going ahead. If, as has been suggested (and I've experienced before), ATT technical support is wrong, then I just need to know how they do it. :-) Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lococo Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 14:46 To: Kevin T. Neely Cc: Dr. Nicholas Shaw; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Cell Phone As Modem Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:09:07PM +0300, Sameer Verma wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: service would keep telling me that I could not use Bluetooth because I had not purchased the tethering package. The what? I'm sorry, that's just funny. I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that. You either have a data plan or you don't. Either way, if your phone is capable, you should be able to tether to it. It would be funny if it weren't true. Several providers hamstring their handsets to prevent tethering unless you sign up for it as an added feature. Verizon has bee doing this for years, I don't have experience with ATT but it wouldn't surprise me. Verizon calls it Broadband Access, it's an extra $15/month. If you do successfully workaround the block and tether your phone without the feature, you're in violation of your TOS. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
