Re: Nokia netbook
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Gary wrote: Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Almost all GPRS/UMTS/HSPA modems appear to the CPU as a serial device and need standard AT commands for connection management. Oh yeah -- I forgot about that. There's a way to use those modems with OS X that involve some configuration of PPP. Is that the same way a connection is initiated under Linux? Yes. Exactly like an analog modem - a few AT commands for establishing the connection and then PPP. Again, that is how most chipsets work. I know of one counterexample, but there may be other. -- Matan. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
forgot the netbook ...
enjoy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE -- http://jonathangreene.tel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: forgot the netbook ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Em 27-08-2009 09:09, Jonathan Greene escreveu: enjoy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE /me is salivating over it! I just hope I can buy one unlocked somewhere. As a matter of fact, won't we have a developers discount like the other ones? Quim? ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqWiS8ACgkQ2cB5Bt7H7YAxugCgy0WJpCdqsirpa4UDTzLbd+Q6 AgoAoJfbQnHdFLnRbWjUgCsFEzB8aP0p =Uf/V -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 11:11 -0500 schrieb mathew: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 15:56, Dr. Nicholas Shaw d...@docharley.com wrote: Nope. Won't run and won't be available. Well, that's a shame for Nokia, 'cause I'm not about to buy a new device unless I can verify that the various deficiencies of the N800 OS have been fixed. Also, I doubt if it's feasible for open source developers and software porters to keep buying new hardware every year for the privilege of doing unpaid work for Nokia. Hopefully it will at least be possible to run the new OS under some kind of emulator on a desktop machine. For your interest the Mer project aims to provide a community backport of Fremantle for N8x0 devices. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer for more information. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 15:56, Dr. Nicholas Shaw d...@docharley.com wrote: Nope. Won't run and won't be available. Well, that's a shame for Nokia, 'cause I'm not about to buy a new device unless I can verify that the various deficiencies of the N800 OS have been fixed. Also, I doubt if it's feasible for open source developers and software porters to keep buying new hardware every year for the privilege of doing unpaid work for Nokia. Hopefully it will at least be possible to run the new OS under some kind of emulator on a desktop machine. mathew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
Andre Klapper wrote: For your interest the Mer project aims to provide a community backport of Fremantle for N8x0 devices. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer for more information. andre Is support for the 900 being considered in the development of Mer? I did not see it mentioned anywhere. Nokia will eventually toss it aside as well, like the previous models, and Mer will be the only upgrade path available. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
I don't understand why that's such a big deal. *all* hardware gets tossed aside eventually. Mobile just happens more often than others because the development space is so fast. If you want something that you can keep around for a while, get a big desktop. That probably has the longest shelf-life. Still, the N900 will be more-or-less open and hackable hardware just like the N800, so continued development of other platforms will be based upon hobbyist interest, just like everything else. K On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM, sean tech.j...@myfairpoint.net wrote: Andre Klapper wrote: For your interest the Mer project aims to provide a community backport of Fremantle for N8x0 devices. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer for more information. andre Is support for the 900 being considered in the development of Mer? I did not see it mentioned anywhere. Nokia will eventually toss it aside as well, like the previous models, and Mer will be the only upgrade path available. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: I don't understand why that's such a big deal. all hardware gets tossed aside eventually. You could not be more wrong. I'm still using my Handspring Visor Deluxe every day because it does things that *no* other device can do, even 10 years after it came out. I'm still using my 12-year-old Garmin GPS III because it still works great, is totally waterproof, has ultra-long battery life, the display is very plain and clear regardless of lighting conditions and it does some things that some newer devices don't. The devices that get tossed aside are the ones that don't have any outstanding features and so the next thing that comes along easily displaces them. The issue with the Nokia tablets is that they have so much potential, but are only living up to a tiny fraction of it because Nokia isn't giving them the attention they deserve. If Nokia would get their heads out of their behinds and *finish* the OS and software, they would blow the iPhone and all other competition out of the water for years to come. But their half-hearted attempts (and the obvious me-too OS features of Freemantle instead of concentrating on the unique strengths of the tablets) just don't cut it. Mobile just happens more often than others because the development space is so fast. No, it's because most of the manufacturers are so busy trying to copy each other instead of making truly awesome devices that the market is flooded with mediocre, interchangeable devices instead of real competition. It's become a competition of style rather than features, so of course it's subject to fads and transient trends. If you want something that you can keep around for a while, get a big desktop. That probably has the longest shelf-life. Actually, desktops probably get replaced about as often as anything else, even though they are easiest to upgrade. It's really not economically sound to upgrade (or build your own) anymore because new ones are so cheap. Still, the N900 will be more-or-less open and hackable hardware just like the N800, so continued development of other platforms will be based upon hobbyist interest, just like everything else. K And, no offense to the hobbyist developers, but the fundamental platform never gets finished, never mind the software feature set. Hobbyists only have a certain amount of time and resources to contribute, and they have far less access to the fundamental hardware and OS features than the manufacturer. It's not reasonable, as either a manufacturer or user, to expect hobbyists to finish the product for you. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: You could not be more wrong. I'm still using my Handspring Visor Deluxe every day because it does things that *no* other device can do, When is the last time you had a software update for these devices? -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
Not at all. The complaint I responded to was that Nokia would drop software updates for the N900 as soon as the next hardware came out, which it may or may not do. But it doesn't really matter because the tech moves so fast, older hardware just isn't useful anymore. Maybe the Visor is fine for you, but I no longer live in 1998 and require a bit more functionality from the portable electronics I carry around. This is yet another classic example of Mark taking one comment and then turning it in a different direction to prove his point. Which you didn't because both my phone and my N800 can do everything the handspring visor can do. K On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: You could not be more wrong. I'm still using my Handspring Visor Deluxe every day because it does things that *no* other device can do, When is the last time you had a software update for these devices? Ha ha, that's exactly my point: their software was *finished* - by the manufacturers - so current updates aren't necessary in order for them to still be useful at this late date. You walked right into that one... Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: Not at all. The complaint I responded to was that Nokia would drop software updates for the N900 as soon as the next hardware came out, which it may or may not do. But it doesn't really matter because the tech moves so fast, older hardware just isn't useful anymore. Maybe the Visor is fine for you, but I no longer live in 1998 and require a bit more functionality from the portable electronics I carry around. That statement is patently untrue. The counterarguments are so obvious and plentiful that I'm not even going to start listing them. This is yet another classic example of Mark taking one comment and then turning it in a different direction to prove his point. Slinging mud is an obvious sign of someone who knows he's on the losing end of an argument. You can't defeat the facts or the logic, so you attack the character. Unfortunately, my character is irrelevant; my logic holds. Which you didn't because both my phone and my N800 can do everything the handspring visor can do. K Wrong. Neither your phone nor your N800 can be used as a consumer learning IR remote, with unlimited devices and commands, completely customizable screens, sophisticated macros and unlimited timers. (Frankly, not even the commercially available $2500.00 remotes can do any better.) Neither have the full PIM functionality, especially the tablet. Neither can be nearly as easily read outdoors in direct sunlight, or even in some artificial light. Neither has anything like the battery life, or cheap, universally available and easily replaceable batteries. Neither can be expanded with hardware modules. Certainly there are lots of things that your phone and tablet can do that the Visor can't, and their hardware's speed and power are much greater (but not more flexible), but the point here is that neither your phone nor your tablet has approached anything but a tiny portion of their potential, whereas the Visor's capability has been exploited to the nth degree. That's what makes your phone and tablet so easily replaceable (which you even said yourself). Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
Kevin T. Neely wrote: I don't understand why that's such a big deal. /all/ hardware gets tossed aside eventually. Mobile just happens more often than others because the development space is so fast. If you want something that you can keep around for a while, get a big desktop. That probably has the longest shelf-life. Still, the N900 will be more-or-less open and hackable hardware just like the N800, so continued development of other platforms will be based upon hobbyist interest, just like everything else. K True, all hardware gets tossed aside, eventually, but not as fast as some recent items, like these tablets. I bought my Palm Tungsten C, (to replace another very old Palm,) when it first came out, back in 2003 I think, and it is still in heavy use by me, because it had everything I needed right out of the box. There are/were third party add-ons I found to to make things even more useful, and later I wandered onto other things I originally had no plans for it to fill. The wireless/Internet stuff was weak, but as a PIM and more, it could be used completely right out of the box. Palm put out updates for what seemed like ages. Only recently has my Palm C started to show some age, and that is what brought me to purchasing a N800. Out of the box, the N800 is severely software crippled. It can do many things, but it does nothing really as well as it could, and should. Don't get me wrong I think it could be an excellent mobile device, but it is not, at least not like it is in its present state. I am still trying to find applications so that it will work for me so that it can ultimately replace my Palm. I had to do no such searching to put my Palm right to useful work. Also, for the price of these devices, especially if you bought them new, which I did not, they should last and be supported better than they have been. Till Palm fell into a sad state, and now took a new direction with their Pre, I would always look to them for a replacement. I would not look to them any more, and so far Nokia has not really earned that support from me either. I see many potential Maemo apps that have started that now seem in limbo. Many of these applications could have filled the holes on the tablet, but they need to mature a bit more, if they are even still being worked on. I have tried out Mer, and early signs it has potential, though I am not using it of late. Currently not enough useful apps, and far to many bugs. But that is to be expected, it is still early in the life cycle. Hopefully Mer will reach its potential, and bring software developers to create the needed applications. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Em 27-08-2009 18:27, sean escreveu: The wireless/Internet stuff was weak, but as a PIM and more, it could be used completely right out of the box. Palm put out updates for what seemed like ages. I truly hope Nokia adds a good PIN in it. Currently, my E71 is better than the N devices for that. []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqW/GQACgkQ2cB5Bt7H7YCR/gCeM4muc75zcYK0wdSGriuWTNPy fn4Anjkl2UGyVFfMmBPHvGIj+jvei4DG =ZfEl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
Gary wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: You appear to be ignoring the power of numbers. Nokia's netbook, bundled with Windows will sell far more units with than without. The larger quantity sold with Windows will allow Nokia to produce sell their netbook for less than otherwise, perhaps more than $25 less. Besides, having to manage a smallish inventory for a Windowless version would be a hassle (expense) for Nokia and sellers. So get over the $25 cost of Windows. If you want an Ubuntu netbook, just install it when you get it. The hassle you speak of comes from dealing with an 800 pound gorilla that has historically only been reigned in by the Commission of the European Communities. ... The hassle has little to do with Microsoft, everything to do with production realities, mass markets and managing inventory. Asus plowed the road for everyone with their eee netbook which first came out with a Linux distro. While the eee was popular new format, the eee-netbooks only really took off when Windows XP was offered as the OS of choice. When bundled with Windows, the cost of netbooks actually dropped because production numbers increased allowing development costs to being shared amongst thousands more units. Like many, I wish the market would embrace one of the Linux versions instead of Windoze. MS (author of the world's largest computer virus) seems to be doing all it can do to promote the development of other OSs with it's Vista debacle, soon to be replaced by a W7 debacle (IMHO). Seems to me, the primary technical thing that is probably holding adoption of Linux back has more do with the lack of a strong gaming/video platform on Linux to fill the DirectX niche. Beyond that, Linux folks need to learn to better embrace the marketplace. Freeware (like the 400 or so apps of varied utility and use populating the n810 and Maemo) is all fine and good, but average endusers are much more inclined to the comfort of marketplaces like the AppleStore where then can click and download 'almost' free games and apps for about the price of a latte or less. Contrary to common Linux beliefs, there's nothing wrong with offering a simple cost effective marketplace for folks to buy software. It helps pay developers to develop more and better software. Linux is again way behind the curve in marketplace savy. Witness how the n800 series came without (and still pretty much lacks) a decent PIM. Like what the reward for someone to port a PIM to this small market niche? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
Mark Haury wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: But $25 is nothing to sneeze at. I would still rather pay $25 less and install kubuntu on the entire drive than pay $25 more and end up with dual-boot. Either way, it's still Linux I'll be using, so why should I have to pay extra for something I neither want nor need? You appear to be ignoring the power of numbers. Nokia's netbook, bundled with Windows will sell far more units with than without. The larger quantity sold with Windows will allow Nokia to produce sell their netbook for less than otherwise, perhaps more than $25 less. Besides, having to manage a smallish inventory for a Windowless version would be a hassle (expense) for Nokia and sellers. So get over the $25 cost of Windows. If you want an Ubuntu netbook, just install it when you get it. You're not making any sense whatsoever. It doesn't cost anything for them to maintain a small inventory of OS-less machines - all they have to do is skip a few steps in manufacturing - and the number of Windows machines they sell just makes it that much easier for them to give a discount for OS-less machines. After all, you don't actually think they're making Windows available at cost, do you? Spoken like someone who's never produced anything, nor had to manage inventory. For those making and selling netbooks, the cost of the OS is probably some variation of a 'loss leader'. Bundled with Windows one may sell a lot more product, which allows production, development and marketing costs per unit to be significantly reduced, more than the cost of adding Windows. It costs plenty for everyone from Nokia to the computer store to create and maintain a small inventory of OS-less machines that might otherwise be sold bundled with Windows. For one, banks (and/or production/outsource folks) don't sit around waiting for months for a small inventory of Linux units to be sold to get paid off. If it were a hassle to install Ubuntu on a Windows netbook, you might have a point, but such isn't the case. If you want Linux netbook, buy a Windows netbook, download Ubuntu and install (perhaps 3 clicks?). It's not rocket science. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 10:23 -0700, Kevin T. Neely wrote: I don't understand why that's such a big deal. all hardware gets tossed aside eventually. Mobile just happens more often than others because the development space is so fast. If you want something that you can keep around for a while, get a big desktop. That probably has the longest shelf-life. Still, the N900 will be more-or-less open and hackable hardware just like the N800, so continued development of other platforms will be based upon hobbyist interest, just like everything else. I will have to second this. I still have a 770, two n800's along with my n810. Each one has brought new and different things to the table, apparently not possible with the previous hardware. Each upgrade has made my life easier as well. While I use my n810 exclusively, all of the others get used regularly for one use or another. In the case of the 770, it's loaded with games for the kids. One of the n800's is my backup in case I break my n810. Best Regards, -- Peter Bart pe...@petertheplumber.net Peter The Plumber ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Duplicate contacts
hi I have an issue of duplicate contact on the maemo IM, is there a way to fix this. I still use diablo and I havent applied the latest update suite. I would love to hear this bug is fixed if I apply this update. Thanks -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
