Trouble getting Maemo to run
Hi all, i followed the instructions to get maemo to run. All went fine until i tried to get the UI up and running. The command af-sb-init.sh start failed with the following output. ---snip--- Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! Sample files present. Starting DBUS system bus Starting D-BUS session bus daemon Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher. maemo-launcher: warning raising the oom shield for pid=10336 status=5632 Starting Sapwood image server Starting hildon-desktop maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-home.launch' Xlib: extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :2.0. [msg repeated several times] sapwood-server[10348]: GLIB INFO default - server started maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-input-method.launch' Xlib: extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :2.0. [msg repeated several times] matchbox: No composite extension matchbox-window-manager: *Error* OOM? ---snip--- Is it a problem with my X-server configuration, or with Xephyrs? Would appreciate some help here. Thanks in advance, Syren baran ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Trouble getting Maemo to run
Hi. On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:13:47 +0200 Syren Baran sba...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, i followed the instructions to get maemo to run. All went fine until i tried to get the UI up and running. The command af-sb-init.sh start failed with the following output. ---snip--- Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! Sample files present. Starting DBUS system bus Starting D-BUS session bus daemon Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher. maemo-launcher: warning raising the oom shield for pid=10336 status=5632 Starting Sapwood image server Starting hildon-desktop maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-home.launch' Xlib: extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :2.0. [msg repeated several times] sapwood-server[10348]: GLIB INFO default - server started maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-input-method.launch' Xlib: extension Generic Event Extension missing on display :2.0. [msg repeated several times] matchbox: No composite extension matchbox-window-manager: *Error* OOM? ---snip--- Is it a problem with my X-server configuration, or with Xephyrs? Would appreciate some help here. A bit more of information would be nice, for example: * What version of Maemo are you using? * What target are you using to launch the GUI? ARMEL or X86? With this error I think you're running Maemo 5, and you're starting Xephyr with -extension Composite enabled, it isn't supported in Maemo 5. But well, this is just a guess with the information you're giving, and the problem could be other. Regards. -- Daniel Martin Yerga http://yerga.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Demetris demet...@ece.neu.edu wrote: Hi all, I setting off to program j2me-cdc code for the N800 for a little bit now. I am running the CVM phoneme_advanced_mr2-b18 (mixed mode) for runtime up this point. But this is a release that came about back in early 2007 and I have not seen anything after that geared towards the N800. Can someone tell me if they know the following? 1. where I can find a newer version of j2me-cdc for the N800 2. documentation on the device's hardware that I have not been able to locate 3. is maemo the only software architecture for this device? 4. has anyone been able to deploy web services on such a device (either through osgi containers or any other container)? Thanks very much in advance Demetris I share your grief and pain. But sadly, the situation with regards to Nokia's devices Nxx devices and Java borders the ridiculous. It could be summed up as abandon all (Java) hope ye who enters here. Nokia won't help you or me. Nokia is not interested in Java on the Nxx devices. Nokia is Java-hostile for all we care. You'll be told here by people whom know more than you and me that java is bloated, that the Nxx are underpowered to run Java apps (even Java ME which millions of phones run around the world), and that it's not worth it. The conspiracy theorist in me would like to think that in one of those several (some very recent) instances where Nokia got in bed with the Evil Empire of Redmondia, downplaying or de-emphasizing Java must have been on the table (or bed). Microsoft and Nokia get together on Silverlight http://scobleizer.com/2008/03/04/microsoft-and-nokia-get-together-on-silverlight/ Microsoft and Nokia bringing mobile office to Symbian http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/microsoft-and-nokia-bringing-office-to-symbian-next-year.ars Nokia to deliver Windows 7 netbook http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/08/25/nokia-to-deliver-windows-7-powered-netbook-with-12-hours-of-battery-life.aspx I call it following the path of IBM's Lotus when it helped Microsoft get NT into thousands of corporations by supporting Notes on Windows platforms first, and IBM's own OSs later, or Palm shipping Windows Mobile devices. You can't support a company that wants to see you six feet under ground. Imagine if Nokia had invested its time and money in advancing Mobile OpenOffice to Symbian and other OSs... But I digress What I see is a company that lost its soul, and deserves to sink under. In other words, no vision, just shareholders screaming for short term profits at all costs. They call it pragmatism now... http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/switched-on-microsoft-and-nokia-trade-posturing-for-pragmatism/ ... I call it Nokia's management in the pocket of Bill Gates... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Maemo 5 is it available for N810
All, is Maemo 5 , available for download for our Nokia N810 ? if so, where is the link ? Thank you for the replies Regards Samer -- __ http://geek2live.blogspot.com/ http://www.siteheed.com - You pick the level of your suffering yourself - Budha- - There is nothing noble in being superior to some other man. The true nobility is in being superior to your previous self.-- Hindu proverb - Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.-Abraham Lincoln - Live Free or Die-Kernel The Canine- - Without music, life would be a mistake.- Nietzsche - He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king.-- John Milton - The best portion of a good man's life is the little, nameless,unremembered acts of kindness and love.-- William Wordsworth (1770-1850) English poet -- - The higher type of man clings to virtue, the lower type of man clings to material comfort. The higher type of man cherishes justice, the lower type of man cherishes the hope of favors to be received.-- Confucius (551-479 BC) Chinese Philosopher ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo 5 is it available for N810
Maemo 5 won't be available for N8x0 nor N770. Several Maemo 5 features aren't supported in that hardware, or would be unusable. Take a look at Mer, however, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, which intends to keep supporting that devices, besides several others. 2009/8/29 Samer Azmy samer.a...@gmail.com: All, is Maemo 5 , available for download for our Nokia N810 ? if so, where is the link ? Thank you for the replies Regards Samer -- __ http://geek2live.blogspot.com/ http://www.siteheed.com - You pick the level of your suffering yourself - Budha- - There is nothing noble in being superior to some other man. The true nobility is in being superior to your previous self.-- Hindu proverb - Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.-Abraham Lincoln - Live Free or Die-Kernel The Canine- - Without music, life would be a mistake.- Nietzsche - He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king.-- John Milton - The best portion of a good man's life is the little, nameless,unremembered acts of kindness and love.-- William Wordsworth (1770-1850) English poet -- - The higher type of man clings to virtue, the lower type of man clings to material comfort. The higher type of man cherishes justice, the lower type of man cherishes the hope of favors to be received.-- Confucius (551-479 BC) Chinese Philosopher ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
Hi Fernando, there's Jalimo https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo for Java on Maemo, but I don't know how actively it is maintained... On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Demetris wrote: The conspiracy theorist in me would like to think that in one of those several (some very recent) instances where Nokia got in bed with the Evil Empire of Redmondia This is the point where I realized that I will waste my time by continuing reading your troll posting. In contrast to you, some companies out there might not have unlimited human and financial resources to officially support every single computer language (like Java) that you currently favor. It's even their right to make such decisions (if this means losing some customers is another question). However, some companies (like Nokia) are kind enough to give interested third parties the freedom to port and install virtual machines for any other computer languages on their platform, while others aren't. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
Sigh. HTML postings obviously destroy proper quoting. So my Jalimo comment was meant for Demetris, and the quote came from Fernando instead. Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 14:38 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: Hi Fernando, there's Jalimo https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo for Java on Maemo, but I don't know how actively it is maintained... On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Demetris wrote: The conspiracy theorist in me would like to think that in one of those several (some very recent) instances where Nokia got in bed with the Evil Empire of Redmondia This is the point where I realized that I will waste my time by continuing reading your troll posting. In contrast to you, some companies out there might not have unlimited human and financial resources to officially support every single computer language (like Java) that you currently favor. It's even their right to make such decisions (if this means losing some customers is another question). However, some companies (like Nokia) are kind enough to give interested third parties the freedom to port and install virtual machines for any other computer languages on their platform, while others aren't. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 14:38 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: Hi Fernando, there's Jalimo https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo for Java on Maemo, but I don't know how actively it is maintained... GCC (or more precisly GCJ) can compile Java sources into native linux binaries. Dont know if that works on Maemo, havent had a look at the build environment yet. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How to buy an N900 the soonest possible ?
Andrre, that is probably a software developer's October, which means October 31. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Andre Klapper wrote: Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 16:25 +0200 schrieb Xavier Bestel: I know, I know, it's supposed to be out in october at best. But I can't resign waiting for that long. I know there will be some in Stuttgart next week. Is it possible to buy one ? Or is there any other mean ? As I don't think that the software for it is already finished I don't think that you can buy one either. And yes, Nokia press release said October. Probably they meant October by that. ;-) andre ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
Mark, it was surely a RD cost driven decision for Nokia to not provide a version of Freemantle that would work on the N800 and N810. Of course, technically speaking, they could have done something to provide a back-port to older hardware, even if some Freemantle features had to be suppressed. Obviously, however, the Nokia management team decided that the cost of doing this was higher than the implicit cost to their market place reputation in the opinion of the relatively modest number of users of the older N series internet tablet products due to Nokia dead ending prior versions of the Internet Tablet products. It is an implicit tough luck message to those users from Nokia. Apple itself did this (and made a big mistake in my opinion) in the early 90's when, after converting over to the Power PC processor platform, they dead ended a large and enthusiastic base of converts to initial versions of the the new Power PC based product family, by not backporting the OS to that initial Power PC hardware baseline. I and my family were among those converts (although I had already been using MAC's in business for 10 years by then), and, we have not been back (to Apple) since, although I am often tempted now that Apple has converted to X64 processor architecture. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Mark wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Garyg...@eyetraxx.net wrote: Mark wrote: That's an excuse (and a poor one), not a reason. When they never get around to actually finishing the OS or software for the N9X0, you'll be hearing I told you so... Mobile processors are is going through upgrade cycles much faster than the desktop and server processor market. 1st and 2nd gen iPhone users can't record videos like the 3 GS -- why? It's probably a matter of changing a config file to allow it on older hardware but can it handle the workload well enough that it won't furstrate a few million end users? I can run Windows 7 on a seven year old DELL notebook but do you think can play the latest video games on it? Or even games from 5-7 years ago? Probably not. So if you'd like to develop your own Freemantle port for N8X0 and N700 tablets we can all help you QA your efforts and file lots of bugs for modern software that can't run efficiently on legacy hardware. -Gary ___ That's a straw-man fallacy. If an N800 can run real Debian (and it definitely can), then leaving it out of Freemantle is inexcusable. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Trouble getting Maemo to run
Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 15:52 +0200 schrieb Syren Baran: With this error I think you're running Maemo 5, and you're starting Xephyr with -extension Composite enabled, it isn't supported in Maemo 5. Tried starting Xephyr with and without that option, no difference. Amusingly enough the Hello world gtk-program works fine. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Saturday 29 August 2009 13:38:22 Andre Klapper wrote: In contrast to you, some companies out there might not have unlimited human and financial resources to officially support every single computer language (like Java) that you currently favor. It's even their right to make such decisions (if this means losing some customers is another question). While I don't agree with Fernando's rant, I must admit that I haven't checked but I just assumed that, as aphone, the N900 supports J2ME MIDP out of the box. Is that not the case? It would seem very strange for Nokia to ship the N900 without J2ME. I know that Apple did with the iPhone (and Google did with Android), and I understand that decent J2ME implementations are closed source and cost money (a licence per phone) but if the N900 is to be positioned as an iPhone competitor it needs access to a **lot** of neat applications at Day 1. How is that going to happen? The Maemo community does not provide that today (I wish we did) but there are a lot of J2ME apps in the world. Or is the N900 not really intended to be an iPhone competitor at all? Is it just a bridge between the hacker toy N8xx and a future real Maemo smartphone which will inherit the array of apps to be developed over the next 12 months or so (or, maybe, even be able to run S60 apps)? Graham ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
lakestevensdental lakestevensden...@verizon.net writes: But $25 is nothing to sneeze at. I would still rather pay $25 less and install kubuntu on the entire drive than pay $25 more and end up with dual-boot. Either way, it's still Linux I'll be using, so why should I have to pay extra for something I neither want nor need? You appear to be ignoring the power of numbers. Nokia's netbook, bundled with Windows will sell far more units with than without. The larger quantity sold with Windows will allow Nokia to produce sell their netbook for less than otherwise, perhaps more than $25 less. Besides, having to manage a smallish inventory for a Windowless version would be a hassle (expense) for Nokia and sellers. So get over the $25 cost of Windows. If you want an Ubuntu netbook, just install it when you get it. You're not making any sense whatsoever. It doesn't cost anything for them to maintain a small inventory of OS-less machines - all they have to do is skip a few steps in manufacturing - and the number of Windows machines they sell just makes it that much easier for them to give a discount for OS-less machines. After all, you don't actually think they're making Windows available at cost, do you? Spoken like someone who's never produced anything, nor had to manage inventory. For those making and selling netbooks, the cost of the OS is probably some variation of a 'loss leader'. Bundled with Windows one may sell a lot more product, which allows production, development and marketing costs per unit to be significantly reduced, more than the cost of adding Windows. It costs plenty for everyone from Nokia to the computer store to create and maintain a small inventory of OS-less machines that might otherwise be sold bundled with Windows. For one, banks (and/or production/outsource folks) don't sit around waiting for months for a small inventory of Linux units to be sold to get paid off. If it were a hassle to install Ubuntu on a Windows netbook, you might have a point, but such isn't the case. If you want Linux netbook, buy a Windows netbook, download Ubuntu and install (perhaps 3 clicks?). It's not rocket science. ___ So, how do you explain other companies selling netbooks with Linux? They don't know what they are doing? -- The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
lakestevensdental lakestevensden...@verizon.net writes: You appear to be ignoring the power of numbers. Nokia's netbook, bundled with Windows will sell far more units with than without. The larger quantity sold with Windows will allow Nokia to produce sell their netbook for less than otherwise, perhaps more than $25 less. Besides, having to manage a smallish inventory for a Windowless version would be a hassle (expense) for Nokia and sellers. So get over the $25 cost of Windows. If you want an Ubuntu netbook, just install it when you get it. The hassle you speak of comes from dealing with an 800 pound gorilla that has historically only been reigned in by the Commission of the European Communities. ... The hassle has little to do with Microsoft, everything to do with production realities, mass markets and managing inventory. Asus plowed the road for everyone with their eee netbook which first came out with a Linux distro. While the eee was popular new format, the eee-netbooks only really took off when Windows XP was offered as the OS of choice. Right. I thought MS jumped on the wagon, because netbooks with Linux became popular. Apparently not so... When bundled with Windows, the cost of netbooks actually dropped because production numbers increased allowing development costs to being shared amongst thousands more units. OK. Then me seeing Linux-based EEE PC cheaper than Windows-based ones is probably a problem with my eyes. Funny thing, MS had to convince Asus that selling EEE PC based on Windows exclusively is in Asus' own interest. I guess Asus didn't know what they were doing... Like many, I wish the market would embrace one of the Linux versions instead of Windoze. MS (author of the world's largest computer virus) seems to be doing all it can do to promote the development of other OSs with it's Vista debacle, soon to be replaced by a W7 debacle (IMHO). Seems to me, the primary technical thing that is probably holding adoption of Linux back has more do with the lack of a strong gaming/video platform on Linux to fill the DirectX niche. Not everyone is playing games on PCs. Looking at the size of the gaming industry and PCs share of it, it definitely isn't so. The majority of users are not playing games. Beyond that, Linux folks need to learn to better embrace the marketplace. Linux folks don't really care about the marketplace. Or I can say it differently, the market share is not a priority for Linux. Linux is not a company. It's not making money. It doesn't have to report revenue. People are involved in Linux development because they themselves use it. So, as long as there will be a minimum number of people, number enough to continue development and support it, Linux will exist. Market share is not important here. One mln users or 10mln doesn't really help Linux development, because the majority of users are not involved in its development. Of course, market share increases hardware support. But as Apple's case shows a couple of percent is enough for that. Freeware (like the 400 or so apps of varied utility and use populating the n810 and Maemo) is all fine and good, but average endusers are much more inclined to the comfort of marketplaces like the AppleStore where then can click and download 'almost' free games and apps for about the price of a latte or less. Again, I am not sure Linux developers actually care about the average enduser so much. It's not the priority. Contrary to common Linux beliefs, there's nothing wrong with offering a simple cost effective marketplace for folks to buy software. It helps pay developers to develop more and better software. Linux is again way behind the curve in marketplace savy. Witness how the n800 series came without (and still pretty much lacks) a decent PIM. Like what the reward for someone to port a PIM to this small market niche? Never heard about this common Linux belief. Probably missed it... -- Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. - Unknown ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
Mark wolfm...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kevin T. Neelyktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: Not at all. The complaint I responded to was that Nokia would drop software updates for the N900 as soon as the next hardware came out, which it may or may not do. But it doesn't really matter because the tech moves so fast, older hardware just isn't useful anymore. Maybe the Visor is fine for you, but I no longer live in 1998 and require a bit more functionality from the portable electronics I carry around. That statement is patently untrue. The counterarguments are so obvious and plentiful that I'm not even going to start listing them. This is yet another classic example of Mark taking one comment and then turning it in a different direction to prove his point. Slinging mud is an obvious sign of someone who knows he's on the losing end of an argument. You can't defeat the facts or the logic, so you attack the character. Unfortunately, my character is irrelevant; my logic holds. Which you didn't because both my phone and my N800 can do everything the handspring visor can do. K Wrong. Neither your phone nor your N800 can be used as a consumer learning IR remote, with unlimited devices and commands, completely customizable screens, sophisticated macros and unlimited timers. (Frankly, not even the commercially available $2500.00 remotes can do any better.) Neither have the full PIM functionality, especially the tablet. Neither can be nearly as easily read outdoors in direct sunlight, or even in some artificial light. Neither has anything like the battery life, or cheap, universally available and easily replaceable batteries. Neither can be expanded with hardware modules. Certainly there are lots of things that your phone and tablet can do that the Visor can't, and their hardware's speed and power are much greater (but not more flexible), but the point here is that neither your phone nor your tablet has approached anything but a tiny portion of their potential, whereas the Visor's capability has been exploited to the nth degree. That's what makes your phone and tablet so easily replaceable (which you even said yourself). So, why are Visor PDAs dead then ? -- People always get what they ask for; the only trouble is that they never know, until they get it, what actually is that they have asked for. - Aldous Huxley ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.comwrote: Hi Fernando, there's Jalimo https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo for Java on Maemo, but I don't know how actively it is maintained... On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Demetris wrote: The conspiracy theorist in me would like to think that in one of those several (some very recent) instances where Nokia got in bed with the Evil Empire of Redmondia This is the point where I realized that I will waste my time by continuing reading your troll posting. I'm not a troll. Trolls enter mailing lists to discourage use of a given product. I like my N800 and I'd buy a N900 if I had the money. I want to see Nokia succeed and beat Microsoft's software monoculture with Open Source. I just don't like to see it commit suicide like so many other IT companies in the past that think they can win a short-term edge by partnering with the IT industry's biggest monopolist. A convicted one, repeatedly, on several jurisdictions. In contrast to you, some companies out there might not have unlimited human and financial resources to officially support every single computer language (like Java) that you currently favor. It's not only a language: it's a platform. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 18:43 -0300 schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com wrote: Hi Fernando, there's Jalimo https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo for Java on Maemo, but I don't know how actively it is maintained... On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Demetris wrote: The conspiracy theorist in me would like to think that in one of those several (some very recent) instances where Nokia got in bed with the Evil Empire of Redmondia This is the point where I realized that I will waste my time by continuing reading your troll posting. I'm not a troll. Trolls enter mailing lists to discourage use of a given product. I like my N800 and I'd buy a N900 if I had the money. I want to see Nokia succeed and beat Microsoft's software monoculture with Open Source. So? Its what they are doing. I just don't like to see it commit suicide like so many other IT companies in the past that think they can win a short-term edge by partnering with the IT industry's biggest monopolist. A convicted one, repeatedly, on several jurisdictions. Well, i know MS are assholes. Probably Nokia knows as well. So does Asus, HP, Dell and a lot of others. Point is, MS has pretty much a monopoly in some areas. Of course Nokia has to cooperate in some areas, what do you expect? In contrast to you, some companies out there might not have unlimited human and financial resources to officially support every single computer language (like Java) that you currently favor. It's not only a language: it's a platform. Thats part of Suns stupid marketing strategy. Its a language and a plattform. C++ is a language. QT is a platform. Oh hell, according to the marketing Java is an OS as well. Well, marketing aside, Java is is pretty good beginners language. The plattform itself is nice (even if it does not offer support for as many languages as .net). Well, might as well get to the point. Both GTK and QT are plattforms which are just as powerfull as Java. The need for Java on Maemo is pretty limited. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
What will make the Nokia Netbook any more unique then some other model? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Syren Baran sba...@gmx.de wrote: Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 18:43 -0300 schrieb Fernando Cassia: The need for Java on Maemo is pretty limited. No, I want to be able to run Google's Java ME Gmail Java app for mobiles on the Nxx. It's much nicer than IMAP and better than using the AJAX interface... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
Gary, your response suggests that the initial release of the N900 will not support HSDPA. If that is the case then it would seem that the N900 will have poor network performance due to a bandwidth limitation when the device is used on mobile networks. I must be misinterpreting your remarks and I find it hard to believe that Nokia would in late 2009 release a product that does supports neither HSDPA nor EVDO. Also is there any built in capability to use the N900 as a tethering device (modem) between, say a netbook (Nokia;s own netbook product perhaps) and a mobile broadband data service such as I have today with my trusty old Windows Mobile handset and my RIM/blackberry. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Gary wrote: Jason Edgecombe wrote: I prefer Verizon's coverage area, but they don't do GSM, :( Not yet. They're already working on a hybrid EV-DO/HSPA modem (http://tr.im/nX3C) and are moving fast on building out their HSPA buildout (http://tr.im/nX47). I've also read that some test markets will be in place by the end of this year (http://tr.im/nX5z). How else can they expect to have the iPhone next year? It's nice that the N900 has an internal SD card slot for the larger capacity cards but an easily accessible microSD card slot would probably make me and a lot of other folks happy. -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
Hi all, interesting conversation you guys got into ;) Thanks for the info Andre, Syren and Fernando - I appreciate it. I know about Jalimo, which is based on the GNU classpath libs and which attempts to run versions of Java runtime that are very close to the standard J2SE runtimes. However I had some incompatibility problems with it when running axis bundles within osgi containers and the p2p jxta platform. I imported my baseline into J2ME CDC since I could run the PhoneME on the N800 and things worked fine. However, this version of PhoneME was released 3 years ago and and any upgrades to my software bundles has issues with it and that's why I wondering if there is any newer J2ME CDC runtime for the N800 amd Maemo 2008. Regarding the other Qs I had anyone has any more info? 2. documentation on the device's hardware that I have not been able to locate 3. is maemo the only software architecture for this device? 4. has anyone been able to deploy web services on such a device (either through osgi containers or any other container)? Thanks again Syren Baran wrote: Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 14:38 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: Hi Fernando, there's Jalimo https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo for Java on Maemo, but I don't know how actively it is maintained... GCC (or more precisly GCJ) can compile Java sources into native linux binaries. Dont know if that works on Maemo, havent had a look at the build environment yet. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
