Re: N810 and Garmin GLO ?
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Andrew Daviel wrote: I just read a review of the Garmin GLO GPS/GLONASS receiver. Looks pretty good. I'm assuming it would work with Maemo Mapper on my N810, a lot better than the built-in chip which can have appalling acquisition times, and sucks power. Well, I bought the thing. Works fine with my E71 phone, and I thought it didn't with the N810 but then it started working when I changed the GPS settings in the control menu (as opposed to in maemo mapper). The passcode for pairing seems to be 1234 but it's not documented. I'm not sure about power drain - I'm not sure the internal chip is really turned off (the icon is on). It's certainly more sensitive and faster to acquire than the builtin. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N810 and Garmin GLO ?
I just read a review of the Garmin GLO GPS/GLONASS receiver. Looks pretty good. I'm assuming it would work with Maemo Mapper on my N810, a lot better than the built-in chip which can have appalling acquisition times, and sucks power. Anyone know any different ? https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=109827 -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: cellphone tether works from N810 but not laptop
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Hi Andrew, Fedora 9 in awfully old... Try boot off live CD with latest Fedora (17). If Fedora 17 behaves, it may be lime to upgrade system on laptop ;-) Thanks for the reply - which I'm ashamed to say I've only just got around to reading after getting back from vacation and catching up on work email first. Yes I know FC9 is old - I often follow the if it ain't broke don't fix it philosophy, and the laptop is not my primary computer and still runs Firefox and gphoto2 and mplayer just fine ... I may try your suggestion of a LiveCD - though I suspect around town I'd have trouble finding a weak enough signal. The problem appeared when I was sailing on my boat miles from any cell towers. I had the same kind of message (at least, tethering didn't work) in Nokia's PC Suite software on Vista on the same laptop. So it's not just Fedora 9 with the problem. I was wondering if anyone had any insight into differences between the N810 and x86 Linux networking software that might explain what I was seeing Andrew Good luck! Valeri On Wed, August 22, 2012 5:47 pm, Andrew Daviel wrote: I have a Nokia E71 phone, an N810 and a laptop running Fedora Core 9. The laptop has Bluetooth, also a USB cable to connect to the E71. If I have a good signal, I can use the packet data interface on the phone itself, or on the N810 via Bluetooth to get an Internet connection. But the laptop does not always work. Close to a tower, if I use the cable and select 'PC Suite' mode on the phone, the Gnome network app shows a wireless connection and syslog talks about ttyACM0 and activating my connection. Further away from a tower, the connection does not show in the app and syslog says 'ignoring due to lack of mobile broadband capability' I had naively thought the two devices used the same capability on the phone. Does anyone know what the problem is, and if it's possible to get a connection on the laptop at greater distance ? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
cellphone tether works from N810 but not laptop
I have a Nokia E71 phone, an N810 and a laptop running Fedora Core 9. The laptop has Bluetooth, also a USB cable to connect to the E71. If I have a good signal, I can use the packet data interface on the phone itself, or on the N810 via Bluetooth to get an Internet connection. But the laptop does not always work. Close to a tower, if I use the cable and select 'PC Suite' mode on the phone, the Gnome network app shows a wireless connection and syslog talks about ttyACM0 and activating my connection. Further away from a tower, the connection does not show in the app and syslog says 'ignoring due to lack of mobile broadband capability' I had naively thought the two devices used the same capability on the phone. Does anyone know what the problem is, and if it's possible to get a connection on the laptop at greater distance ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Using phone as modem
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011, Andrew Daviel wrote: Somewhat off-topic, but I suspect there's the expertise on this list. For the benefit of any search engines or other curious entities, I solved this. Sort of. Fedora 9 with the Nokia E71 phone just worked using the USB cable (which I'd left at home) using Gnome Networkmanager. Over Bluetooth, that was ignored but I could use rfcomm to talk to the modem and then pppd with chat to establish a connection, same as for my old phone with cable. My N810 uses ATD*99***1# but ATD*99# works fine; I guess a cid of 1 is the default. I didn't manage to get it to work under Windows; the Nokia OVI suite contains a big list of APNs and dial codes for hundreds of cellular networks around the world, including Rogers, but failed to connect for some reason even though it appeared to use the same settings as worked on Linux. I see that they now have a separate APN for tethering, though the internet.com APN still works for my N810 and laptop. Somewhat documented at http://andrew.daviel.org/nokiaE71-linux.html I haven't tried talking to the modem directly from the N810; a while ago with my old phone I found I could get signal strength and cell ID from the phone and used that to make a map, basically just for fun. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Using phone as modem
Somewhat off-topic, but I suspect there's the expertise on this list. A while ago I had a Nokia 6820 phone which I had working as a modem from a Linux laptop with a USB cable and pppd. Then I had it working with an N810 over Bluetooth. Then the laptop was stolen and I lost the phone. Now I have a Nokia E71 phone on the same carrier. When I paired the new phone with the N810 the modem connection worked. I have a new laptop (Dell inspiron 1525) with a Bluetooth card. I'd like to use that with the phone, too, but I'm not sure how. It's got Fedora Core 9. I assume if the N810 can connect then the laptop ought to be able to Any suggestions ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N810 slow since rebooting
My N810 seems really slow since yesterday. It had run down (nothing unusual there) and after I recharged it it seemed to run very slow. I wondered if it was short on space in /, so I deleted some files and regained several Mb, but that did not help. I had been suspicious of the battery, which did not seem to keep as much charge as when new, and did not run the SD card properly when at low charge (maemo-mapper reports unable to write map database), so I bought a new battery. It is still slow: sometimes it will not respond to menu taps, or the system menu is not shown. I am seeing: $ free total used free shared buffers Mem: 126796 124944 18520 60 Swap: 131064 10748023584 Total: 257860 23242425436 $top (by CPU) Mem: 124592K used, 2204K free, 0K shrd, 60K buff, 3552K cached Load average: 5.10 5.46 3.90 PID USER STATUS VSZ PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND 289 root SW0 6 3.9 0.0 kondemand/0 119 root SW0 6 2.1 0.0 kswapd0 1752 user RW 1960 1437 1.9 1.5 top ... (by memory) PID USER STATUS VSZ PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND 1303 user DW 128M 354 0.0103.4 alarmd 1451 user SW 87992 1 0.0 69.2 maemo-mapper 1399 user DW 67292 1383 0.0 52.9 browserd 1383 user SW 40104 1 0.0 31.5 browserd 1042 user DW38852 1012 0.0 30.5 maemo-launcher ... There are no unusual user tasks running - no memory/CPU hogs that I am aware of. I cannot remember what is normal, e.g. if it is usual for alarmd to show such a large virtual size. I have tried rebooting several times, and power-cycling by removing the battery, but it is still slow. Any suggestions ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Looking for gps logger for n810
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Tuukka Tolvanen wrote: gpsbabel does filters and conversion, e.g. for a decent gmapsible track, gpsbabel -i gpx -f bleh.gpx -x simplify,error=.05k -o kml,units=m -F bleh.kml Thanks; found it in Yum. gpsbabel -i gpx -f old.gpx -x simplify,error=1m -o gpx -F new.gpx seems to work nicely to remove redundant midpoints from Maemo Mapper tracks, at least if what I want to do is plot them, e.g. input to merkaartor for OSM. ...now I'm reminded I have a lag filter patch sitting around somewhere that does the acceleration points along a straight line thing too, whereas the filters I've found in gpsbabel only deal with the shape of the track. Should dig that up... For tagging photos I'd want to preserve the time information (and maybe in general, elevation too), i.e. only remove midpoints if they can be reconstructed by linear interpolation. Is that what you mean ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
FYI - possible GPS degradation in next few years
It is uncertain whether the Air Force will be able to acquire new satellites in time to maintain current GPS service without interruption. http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-09-670T Where does this leave the wide span of military, civil, and other user of GPS? If the Air Force does not meet its schedule goals for development of GPS IIIA satellites, there will be an increased likelihood that in 2010, as old satellites begin to fail, the overall GPS constellation will fall below the number of satellites required to provide the level of GPS service that the U.S. government is committing to providing. The performance standards for both (1) the standard positioning service provided to civil and commercial GPS users and (2) the precise positioning service provided to military GPS users commit the U.S. government to at least a 95 percent probability of maintaining a constellation of 24 operational GPS satellites. Because there are currently 31 operational GPS satellites of various blocks, the near-term probability of maintaining a constellation of at least 24 operational satellites remains well above 95 percent. However, DOD predicts that over the next several years many of the older satellites in the constellation will reach the end of their operational life faster than they will be replenished, and that the constellation will, in all likelihood, decrease in size. Based on the most recent satellite reliability and launch schedule data approved in March 2009, the estimated long-term probability of maintaining a constellation of at least 24 operational satellites falls below 95 percent during fiscal year 2010 and remains below 95 percent until the end of fiscal year 2014, at times falling to about 80 percent. See figure 1 for details. (Fig 1 shows an 85% chance of sub-optimal performance through 2013) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N810 hanging in USB host mode
I finally reinstalled scratchbox after upgradingthe OS on my desktop (64-bit Fedora Core 9, now need vdso32=0 kernel parameter as per docs) and had a go at compiling gphoto2. Which worked :-) However, my tablet keeps locking up in USB host mode, then (AFAIK) the watchdog reboots it. One time, I was able to take a photo and download it using lunkwill-canon-capture from libgphoto2 examples. But in general, USB access is fatal. I have the camera connected via 2 cables and an F-F adapter. The camera shows as self-powered in lsusb -v When I was running Chinook, I was able to quite reliably access a small USB memory stick directly (but now I can't find it). And I have a cheap powered hub that I believe I could use to access larger SD cards via an adapter. Now, under Diablo, I can't see anything on the hub at all. It works OK on my desktop. Having it almost work is quite frustrating. I would like to use the tablet to trigger the camera on a tripod, and downloading images via cable is less messy than transferring a micro SD card. Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 usbutils 0.72-8osso2 usbcontrol 1.0 libusb-0.1-4 2:0.1.12-5osso1 gphoto2-2.4.5 libgphoto2-2.4.5 Any suggestions ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
xdaliclock
Having got scratchbox reinstalled and trying hello-world, I found an old X11 app that was really simple to build, and maybe even useful. I wasted a bit of time making taller digits. Sorry, I didn't make a proper Debian package or installer. It starts from the command line and has no special dependencies or requirements. Now you can turn your $400 tablet into a $4 desk clock :-) Leave it on the charger and set the backlight on full-time. (It would be nice to redo this in 3D and colour, with integrated alarms, chiming the hour etc. but that's way beyond my skill...) http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/xdaliclock-arm.tar.gz Source code, 2 ARM binaries On my desktop, I can find system fonts in xlsfonts or xpaint, and say e.g. xdaliclock -fn '-urw-urw palladio l-bold-r-normal-*-*-880-*-*-p-*-iso8859-*' but on the tablet I can't find a font chooser. The builtin font works OK. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Office document support
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Rainer Dorsch wrote: Does anybody know what is the status of viewing MS office and openoffice documents on the N810? At some point I was playing with OpenOffice server mode. It's broken right now, but the idea was if you wanted to view an office document on the tablet, and it was on the Web already, you passed the URL to a web service URL and it returned a PDF If that is unfeasible right now, what would be a good alternative? EeePC? Or is there something more portable? I got my daughter an Acer Aspire One. That fits nicely in a small backpack or large handbag, and comes with OO. While my N810 fits in my pocket.. At one point (before OO) I was using strings and a Tk scroller, which would let me read most Word 97 documents. At least, the ones that should have been sent as a text message, not the ones with lots of graphics and tables. There were things like antiword and catdoc as well which did a slightly better job. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Tweaking flite vocabulary in maemo-mapper
I installed Flite to speak directions in maemo-mapper, but I can't understand what it's saying half the time. There isn't AFAIK a button to press to make it repeat the phrase, either. It is using a fairly limited set of words (turn, left, etc.) taken from Google directions (apart from street names, that is). I was wondering if it was possible to adjust the pronunciation of these common words, or even to steal sound bites from e.g. navigator. I had an idea that something was possible in rsynth (precursor to festival), or by mis-spelling words to lengthen vowels etc. The docs for Festival suggest that all sorts of things are possible, if only I understood Lisp :-) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Looking for gps logger for n810
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Mark Haury wrote: Waypoints/POIs can be entered by just tap-holding and in the resulting menu click on Tap Point-Add POI... Thank you for this .. seems the obvious tabletty thing to do so of course I didn't think of it. I'd prefer a hardware button record the current position as a waypoint as on my Garmin (press and hold enter as I recall) but don't think it appears in the config. Insert a track break does, which I recently assigned to a key, and the position can be pulled out of the track GPX with a little effort. Re. the original question, I have a script which stores a track in a binary tree database which I can later interrogate to find where I was at a given time, i.e. the timestamp on a digital photo. One thing is it takes ages to save the track from maemo-mapper (I guess convert from some internal format to GPX) so you want to do it often. I mean, every day or so. My Garmin has limited RAM and so an auto-filter feature for tracks. I'm not sure exactly what it does, but in principle if you are going mostly in a straight line at constant speed you need only save the acceleration/turn points. My photo script does interpolation to guess the actual position. I was trying to write a filter to post-process mapper tracks but it's crude. Probably there are tools out there but I haven't looked; I tend to write my own in Perl and make maps in XFig. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
command-line for Bluetooth copy ?
Is there a simple command that can be used with rsync to send files to/from the tablet over Bluetooth ? At home I give everything static ip addresses and names, and have SSH keys set up, so rsync/scp works transparently (at work, too). I have tried using ad-hoc mode on my laptop, but if it's using managed mode to e.g. a hotel network that's not possible without a second NIC. My new laptop has Bluetooth which works nicely but only from a GUI - on the tablet I must move things into ~/MyDocs/ or /media/mmc* to find them, and I have to always send not upload/download. (actually, I wonder why the BT implementation on Linux needed to reinvent the wheel, and could not just appear as another transport layer like Ethernet or FDDI. Then scp/ssh/smb etc. would just work.) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
FYI - dot tel domain = contact info in DNS
I spent the departmental doughnut budget on a .tel domain, thinking it would be a good idea. Maybe it will. I guess it depends how many people get on board, as usual. The .tel root servers are visible, and one can query them, but the delegation is missing. Unless I misunderstood and that's deliberate $ host -a yahoo.tel a0.cth.dns.nic.tel. yahoo.tel. 60 IN TXT .tsm 1 pddx 1 yahoo.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 1 1 u E2U+web:http !^.*$!http://www.yahoo.tel!; . I feel I was somewhat misled by Network Solutions. I thought it was going to be another TLD like .org, .info etc. with a normal Web page. But no - it's a way of putting contact information into the DNS so it can be easily parsed by lightweight clients in cellphones etc. It seems to be aimed at the mobile generation for personal use (central repo for AIM/jabber/cell/email etc.), but also for businesses. https://telhosting.networksolutions.com/vfs/pdf/telguide.pdf http://dev.telnic.org I've managed to enter a few basic things in triumf.tel As to what this has to do with Maemo, one of the contact fields is a GPS* location Also there is an API and development community. So far, tools for iPhone, Outlook. I only looked briefly but I think the intent is that you can update information dynamically using the API. Otherwise there is a wizard at telnic.org that updates the DNS in what seems like real time. TTL is set to 1 hour, negative caching to 10 minutes. (* using GPS as my cellular carrier seems to now, as a shorthand for geographic location in WGS84 coordinates rather than Global Positioning System). -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Maemo-mapper and Google Satellite
Recently, maemo mapper won't download Google Satellite images for me. Existing tiles in the database are OK. I rebuilt the database but no joy. Tcpdump says the tile requests are getting 404 not found. Did Google change something to keep us out, or is it just some unrelated upgrade that broke Mapper ? The other satellite views are OK, but I believe not such good resolution. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
digital clock to 0.1s accuracy
Last week the US and Canada changed to Daylight Savings Time.
Usually, I set my wristwatch from my computer (which uses NTP)
then wander around the house resetting all the clocks, correcting any
drift accumulated over the last 6 months.
This year I thought it would make more sense to use my tablet, which uses
NTP directly. Normally I type date in an xterm. Then I was thinking
what if it says 09:04:03 when it's really 09:04:03.99 ?. (which the GUI
clock apps presumably handle).
Then Can I display better than 1 second accuracy ?
So, after rejecting a version that just sat in a tight loop, I have one
that microsleeps until the next 1/10th second.
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Time::HiRes qw( gettimeofday usleep ) ;
$| = 1 ;
system(ntptrace -n -m 1); # check accuracy before starting
while (1) {
$t = gettimeofday() ;
$t2 = $t * 10 ;
$it = 1 + int($t2) - $t2 ; # time left till next tick
($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst) = localtime($t);
$dsec = $sec + $t-int($t) ;
printf(%2.2d:%2.2d:%04.1f\r,$hour,$min,$dsec) ;
$dt = usleep ($it*10) ;
}
I can't remember where ntpdate came from. One of the repositories, I
think. ntptrace is written in Perl and was missing Getopt/Std.pm
out-of-the-box. I found it in scratchbox and copied it across.
Also Time/HiRes.pm, Time/HiRes/HiRes.so.
/etc/ntp.conf seemed to be missing from ntpdate, and I think needs to be
set for ntpd to lock (unless it can find a multicast stream, maybe).
I have
driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
server 0.ca.pool.ntp.org dynamic
server 1.ca.pool.ntp.org dynamic
Maybe this has all been done before in a nice GUI. I didn't look;
simple things I find it easier to just script.
It also works as a kind of split timer - hitting return when it's
running leaves the time on the previous line.
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Re: Twitter shell for N810 ?
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Matt Emson wrote: Andrew Daviel wrote: Is there a Twitter client for the tablet ? Mauku. I wrote a simple one in Mono that works up to a point on the NIT, but Mauku is the way to go. I just installed that, and signed up to try Jaiku. But it's a GUI. What I'm looking for is something one can script, like Perl Net::Twitter with perhaps less overhead. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
to the point that the CPU load is below 100%, so you don't have dropped frames. I think I used mencoder dvd://5 -oac twolame -twolameopts br=64 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:aspect=4/3:vbitrate=512 -vf scale=480:288 -idx -ffourcc DIVX -quiet -o jackjack2.avi If Maemo Mapper would use the *vector* OSM data Navit. Well, that reads Garmin vector data. Yes, it would be nice if Maemo Mapper folded in the Navit code. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF,Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Twitter shell for N810 ?
Is there a Twitter client for the tablet ? I presume that it works fine in the browser, but I was thinking to send GPS location automatically. (e.g. when sailing alone, last known position xxx) For my desktop I found a Perl module, but it needs a lot of CPAN stuff including JSON modules which might be a problem on the tablet. Alternatively, I can use gnokii with my cellphone to send an SMS. Which might actually be easier, though a Web API would also work when on WiFI. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
FYI - Gizmo (SIP) to Skype gateway
If you didn't see this ... Now that I think about it, I believe both Gizmo and Skype applications bundled with the N810 are teasers to download the real application. I'm not sure which works better; I've not really tried either for real. Gizom has video calling, while Skype did not last I tried. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:16:56 UT From: Gizmo5 tryit...@gizmo5.com Subject: Now call Skype users from Anywhere with OpenSky! Now call Skype users from anywhere with OpenSky! Gizmo5 is now providing a free SIP to Skype gateway called OpenSky which will allow anyone from any SIP device or SIP soft client to easily make calls to Skype users. For more info go to: http://gizmo5.com/opensky As an example, you can now call user johnsmith on Skype just by dialing johnsm...@opensky.gizmo5.com. Dial echo...@opensky.gizmo5.com now to connect to Skype's echo line. Skype has 400 million registered users, an entire new audience you can now call for free! Call SIP to Skype for FREE up to 5 minutes Or get UNLIMITED calls to Skype with purchase of OpenSky for $20 Calls 1-5 minutes are free. Unlimited number of longer calls can purchased for $20 per year and includes 1333 aliases you can setup at my.gizmo5.com. Want to see all the ways you can use OpenSky? * See our video demonstrations at gizmo5.com/opensky * Make a test call right now from your browser at gizmocall.com go to http://my.gizmo5.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Control digital camera ?
Is there gphoto2 or similar PTP code for the N810 ? I have a Canon Powershot SX100IS camera which one can control via USB. It would be nice to use the tablet as a trigger if doing long exposures on a tripod. My old SLR had a mechanical trigger port to screw in a cable or pneumatic trigger to avoid camera shake when pushing the shutter release, but the digital camera has only USB. Of course, I suspect that the camera USB power requirement exceeds the power budget on the tablet, so I'd need a powered hub, hence external power and more cables, so might as well just use a regular laptop. AA-battery powered hub, anyone ? If I just wanted to get photos off, it might be easier to use a micro-SD card with SD adapter in the camera, then switch to a mini-SD adapter in the tablet. Yuk. Or I should have bought a wireless-capable camera. But it would be nice to be able to email or upload photos on the road with only the tablet. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Creating GPX for Maemo Mapper from Google Maps
I like to make GPX files on my desktop then download them to my tablet for use by Maemo Mapper. After grumbling that I had to screen-scrape output from gnuite.com instead of save to file, and having to copy addresses across from Google Maps once I'd found some that worked, I've finally written my own script using the Google API and then parsing KML. It doesn't work with multiple destinations, but it will do avoid highway and walk. I think Toll would work on the onscreen map but not in GPX. The interactive map won't let you edit the route graphically, but you can paste in a link from a customized route on Google Maps and convert that to GPX. These limitations may be fixable with more work - I just copied an advanced directions example http://gpx.geotags.com/ The site also works for live downloads. I was playing with multi-homing using DNS so it's currently on 2 servers. If anyone wants to clone it onto another server, or take the code and improve it, please ask. I found examples for geocoding addresses in Python on google developers, i.e. generating a lat,long from an address in a URL and giving a developer key. But not for generating directions - only in JavaScript and Flash. So what I'm doing is asking for output from maps.google.com in KML, based on what Google Earth does, then parsing it in Perl. Seems to work. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Gary wrote: I know it's difficult to do in a production environment but have you experimented with different AP firmware revisions? 3.4.0 is still very solid but some of the interim releases between there and 3.7 broke more than it fixed. I'm not on any of their announce lists or I'd have noticed that 4.0 dropped some time in the past month, too, but I'm wary of trying it from my past bad experiences. Keep in mind, though, that this is for my home LAN and I've only one SSID and one AP -- very different from the Cisco WLAN that I manage at the office (two SSIDs) or the network you've described. You may not have the resources to reproduce a similar setup and Proxim's not likely to take much interest either but I've never contacted their support staff to know either way. We have AP-4000M v4.0.0(1257). I think we'd been advised to upgrade to fix other problems (dropping connections when people move around), though that may have been a config problem. I'm not the primary manager of the wireless network, and I forget the details. Some stuff cleared up when we went to central management so the configs are guaranteed all the same. I have had a ticket open with Proxim for months, but nothing useful yet. There was a suggestions to disable unique SSIDs. I think that fixes my problem but makes life impossible for casual users as they have to enter an SSID blind. Not an option. Kalle said he'd looked at my packet captures but I haven't heard back recently. I suspect I'd only get this fixed by locking a Proxim engineer and a Nokia engineer in a room with the devices and not letting them out till it works. Unless it's some problem with the spec itself, in which case I'd need to add an IEEE guy. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Kalle Valo wrote: First of all, sorry for taking so long. I was on vacation and had some urgent things to do first. The capture data is really helpful, thanks a lot for that. I'm looking at them right now. Did you ever find anything ? I still have the problem, after a minor Diablo update. I've taken to putting the tablet in offline mode at work unless I'm actually using it. I have a ticket open with Proxim but their engineers have not got back to the support guy. http://andrew.triumf.ca/reqauth/PSM/ (test/test) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3708 -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Gary wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Daviel wrote: measuring the battery current and setting up an AP4000 Can I assume this is a Proxim AP? The 700s may be found for a fair price these days and use the same chipsets and firmware. Of course, the Nanostation2 is a better deal and gives real time stats. How are you measuring your tablet's power consumption? I have a Kill A Watt EZ but I'd have to keep the charger plugged in to it for a while. Sorry for the delay answering - took some time to go sailing, then catchup at work .. Yes, it's a Proxim AP. Not negotiable, since that's what we have deployed at my workplace and they work just fine with most laptops (too power-hungry to notice, even if they implement PSM). We are using multiple SSIDs on different VLANs. I was measuring the battery current directly: http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/photos/100_0536.JPG -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Gary wrote: Andrew Daviel wrote: I was measuring the battery current directly: http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/photos/100_0536.JPG That isn't a 3rd party battery is it? Yes. The original Nokia one failed (I think the clips might have fatigued due to vibration in the vehicle mount on my motorcycle). I sent it back but forgot to follow up and didn't hear anything. Meantime after trying several local stores for an OEM one I found this clone which has worked nicely ever since. I wrapped a bit of electrical tape around it to make a more snug fit, so it won't rattle around (0.5mm maybe) and wreck the clips again. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Gary wrote: Andrew Daviel wrote: Meantime after trying several local stores for an OEM one I found this clone which has worked nicely ever since. I ask because the only time I had battery issues was when I'd installed one of the early canola betas. It seemed like it had some background networking task that ran on bootup as my battery drain problem on my N800 went away as soon as I uninstalled it. Are your replacement battery specs identical to the original? AFAIK, yes. Or maybe 100mAH less. I think Nokia offer two slightly different batteries. As per the rest of the thread which goes way back (before my summer conferences and vacation), my problem is that the WiFi eats power talking to the Proxim APs at work, as if Power Save mode were not enabled (which it is). It's fine talking to a Linksys AP at home, and it's fine talking to a Proxim AP with only one SSID enabled. I can see nothing wrong eyeballing the network traffic with Wireshark, but I'm not an 802.11 expert. We use the same APs for staff and visitor networks, so we need the multi-SSID feature. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Kalle Valo wrote: I have placed some capture data on my server at http://andrew.triumf.ca/reqauth/PSM/ (password test/test to keep out robots and the clueless) First of all, sorry for taking so long. I was on vacation and had some urgent things to do first. The capture data is really helpful, thanks a lot for that. I'm looking at them right now. I, also. I was at BlackHat and DEFCON in Las Vegas then on vacation. I cannot download mad26.home.no.unique.beacons.cap and mad27.home.test.beacon.cap, server gives me 403. Please fix this whenever you find the time. Done. Sorry; I forgot to check the file permissions. Also can you please file a bug for this? I really don't want to get this buried into email. Having this in bugzilla makes it much more visible. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3708 -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, David Grau Serra wrote: Capture files on http://andrew.triumf.ca/reqauth/PSM/ It is necessary an user and a pass =-O the user = passwd = test, which is in the challenge. I had creted that directory for a demo of something else, and placed the capture files there just to keep robots out currently at defcon in Las Vegas, then on vacation. may not answer quickly -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
I have done some more tests with the Proxim AP4000, but I still cannot see a problem in the protocol. I have put an ammeter inline between the N810 battery and connectors so I can see the current consumption in real time - it is pretty impressive that it can draw virtually no current at all (10mA on a 1A scale) and still respond to incoming network traffic or a cron job. I took an AP4000 home and modified the configuration to work without Radius authentication. At work, we have multiple AP4000's with 3 SSID's each, using (mostly) non-overlapping channels 1,6,11. But there may still be some in-channel interference from our or foreign APs. With the AP4000 broadcasting one SSID (which the N810 is associated with), power consumption is low in PS mode. An incoming packet, e.g. ICMP ping, gives a brief kick on the ammeter. My Linksys AP broadcasting on the same channel makes no difference - there are two beacon frames, one for each SSID, but power consumed is low. With the AP4000 broadcasting 2 or 3 SSIDs on different VLANs, then power consumption rises to an average 100mA. If broadcast unique beacon is disabled for all SSIDs, then the power consumption is low. The AP broadcasts only one beacon, with no identifier. But if it is enabled for one or more SSIDs, the consumption can rise: With beacon SSID enabled on triumf but disabled on test - 10mA With beacon SSID enabled on triumf and enabled on test - 100mA With beacon SSID disabled on triumf but enabled on test - 100mA With beacon SSID disabled on triumf and disabled on test - 10mA (The N810 is associated with triumf) Capture files on http://andrew.triumf.ca/reqauth/PSM/ I can see nothing in the capture file (madwifi libpcap -i ath0, no filters) from the tablet after it responds to the ping, but it is consuming power. I might be able to try a spectrum analyzer, but not today. This is driving me crazy .. I'd give up if there weren't such dramatic power savings when it works properly. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Andrew Daviel wrote: I may be able to get a spare Proxim AP to take home. There's a limit on what I can mess with on our production WLAN :-7, and I'd have a less noisy environment. Well, I got one. The power consumption seems normal (i.e. PS mode seems to be working). I did an HTTP GET off the tablet httpd every 20 seconds with no apparent effect on battery (1%/hour slope or whatever). If more data or DTIM bits were getting stuck I'd think that would trigger it. But as before, I can't see any problem in captured data. Foo. What's different: - at work there are multiple APs each with 3 SSIDs with VLAN tagging - at work there is way more traffic - unicast, broadcast, multicast - at work there are more clients I seem to have the same power issue on at least 2 different APs at work, and I think 2 different VLANs. Wish I could easily stick an ammeter inline instead of waiting a couple of hours ... hmm, tiny little clips from a logic analyzer lead set ... perhaps not impossible... -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Kalle Valo wrote: (packets from N810 captured with airodump-ng show as malformed) Usually missing FCS causes this. There's a setting in Wireshark under IEEE 802.11 to enable and disable FCS calculation. Try reverting that option. Yes. Edit/Preferences/Protocols/IEEE 802.11. Also lets me set WEP keys. Not sure I have that working right, but I turned off WEP/WPA to debug, anyway. I was able to get the IBM laptop into monitor mode using the madwifi instructions (thanks) - airodump did not do it as it does on the tablet. # wlanconfig ath0 destroy # wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode monitor # ifconfig ath0 up # echo '801' /proc/sys/net/ath0/dev_type then I could use tcpdump or ethereal/wireshark. If I don't suppress prism headers then I can't refilter with tcpdump wlan host node which makes it hard to sift through the traffic at work. I have placed some capture data on my server at http://andrew.triumf.ca/reqauth/PSM/ (password test/test to keep out robots and the clueless) I may be being dumb, but I can't see a problem. I can see the tablet doing a power-save poll and saying it is going to sleep after the transactions, and the more-data bit appears cleared. I can see the DTIM bits being set in the beacon before the data transactions and cleared afterwords. There is a lot more traffic at work (duh), including lots of ip broadcast traffic on a VLAN connected to our wired LAN. But that's on a different SSID. We recently created a separate VLAN SSID with encryption on, which is what I normally use on the tablet, but here I used our visitor SSID. These don't see the ip broadcasts from the wired LAN, but in any case as I understand it these should not make a substantial difference in PS mode. A battery graph is at http://andrew.triumf.ca/reqauth/PSM/batt.use2.gif I may be able to get a spare Proxim AP to take home. There's a limit on what I can mess with on our production WLAN :-7, and I'd have a less noisy environment. I'm not sure what I can tell Proxim. Send them the capture files, I guess. Setting the AP to closed mode made no difference. notes: If I want to see ping broadcasts, I can do echo 0 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts I wondered whether setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_frto helps, as per kernel ip-sysctl.txt (particularly beneficial in wireless environments) Not for the power, just for transmission errors. I thought that unicast data was buffered till the next beacon in PS mode, with broadcast/multicast buffered till the next DTIM interval, but at least on my Linksys router it looks like unicast is buffered till DTIM too. It lets me adjust both the beacon interval and DTIM; the Proxim allows only DTIM. Defaults are 100ms and 1x. If the delay (beacon interval x DTIM) exceeds about 10 seconds, the tablet won't respond to incoming data. My desktop says network not reachable. I thought that was a tunable parameter but the only one I found was a SYN timeout at 60x. If the tablet is in power-save mode, doing iwconfig wlan0 power off will momentarily revert it to non-PS, and incoming data is received. Outgoing data is unaffected. Doing a broadcast ping was interesting with DTIM the ping interval; wired stations respond every second but the wireless ones are bunched up in a group. As expected; it just looks weird. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
I opened a ticket with Proxim. They suggest turning off SSID broadcast and see if that reduces the battery use. Sounds like b/s to me, but I may be wrong. If I try that at home, I have to mark the connection as hidden otherwise I can't select it to connect to, and I suspect it would annoy people at work. I still get beacons every 100ms. I can't set the wireless chip in my IBM laptop to monitor mode (atheros/madwifi driver) but I can on an old Orinoco Gold card. That only does 802.11b. airodump-ng captures some beacons and broadcast packets, but not as many as airodump-ng on the N810, and just wireless headers, not data packets. So I'm definitely missing lots of packets, though I did see one frame from the N810 with the PSM bit set, talking to my old SMC AP on 802.11b. The Linksys lets me change the beacon interval and DTIM multiplier. The Proxim lets me change DTIM, but not beacon interval. The SMC does neither. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Andrew Daviel wrote:
Is there anything for the tablets that can log wireless traffic in enough
detail to show whether PSM is working ? airodump-ng ??
Should have tried before posting. I have a couple of capture files made
with airodump-ng --beacons, which I can view in wireshark.
Lots of detail I don't understand. I can see the beacon interval on the
Proxim APs is 100ms (same as the Linksys default), and see the DTIM info
(whether data is being held).
IEEE 802.11 Beacon frame, Flags:
Type/Subtype: Beacon frame (0x08)
Frame Control: 0x0080 (Normal)
Flags: 0x0
...0 = PWR MGT: STA will stay up
IEEE 802.11 wireless LAN management frame
Fixed parameters (12 bytes)
Beacon Interval: 0.102400 [Seconds]
Capability Information: 0x0421
...1 = ESS capabilities: Transmitter is an AP
0... = Automatic Power Save Delivery: apsd not
implemented
home and work have the same flags, except at home
short preample is allowed. I.e. PWR MGT is 0 at home, too.
We have multiple APs at work; I assume that in normal operation the
tablet is registered with only one and will ignore beacons from
the others.
All the packets from home, and most from work, show as malformed packet
for some reason. airodump didn't offer a capture length and the packets
are fairly small (85 bytes) so I don't think truncated
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Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Kalle Valo wrote: I recently noticed that my tablet battery runs down faster at work than at home, with the WiFi enabled but otherwise sitting idle (12%/hour vs 1%/hour). What do you mean by 12%/hour? That the battery will run out in eight hours? I guess. I was using the battery-status application which reports percentage of battery left, and measuring the slope. Yes, multicast and broadcast traffic will increase WLAN power consumption. But there has to be a lot of traffic going on to really notice it. I tried doing a broadcast ping every 200ms at home (the tablet sees it if I run tcpdump) but it had no noticable effect on the battery consumption graph. If the AP is behaving correctly, the power consumption in PSM on a idle N800/N810 are mostly affected by these: o beacon interval (longer has smaller power consumption) o DTIM interval (same as above) o broadcast/multicast traffic I'll have a look at the AP config tomorrow and see if I can find anything. My linksys at home has beacon interval 100ms, DTIM=1 (i.e. default values). The Linksys docs suggest that DTIM data is only sent if there are broadcast packets waiting, so perhaps setting this larger would have little effect if I don't have much broadcast traffic. Besides, the problem is at work, not home. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Power consumption and WLAN APs
Excellent writeup, thanks :-) So, what devices apart from the Nokia tablets use PSM ? iPhone ? Palm ? Windows Mobile devices like the UTstarcom PocketPC ? I opened a ticket with Proxim; not sure if our contract includes support but maybe I'll get a reply. Is there anything for the tablets that can log wireless traffic in enough detail to show whether PSM is working ? airodump-ng ?? How about on laptops ? Airmagnet drivers perhaps (which we don't have) - I have an ancient Orinoco Gold card on a Dell Latitude, and a slightly less old Thinkpad with (I think) madwifi driver, and a new Lenovo on the way (Windows, though) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
apt-get vs. hildon-application-manager in Diablo
In Chinook, I gave up using the hildon-application-manager GUI and started using apt-get from the command line via ssh; it seemed easier. I also added some packages directly with dpkg and wget/scp Now with Diablo there is a scheduled update that keeps flashing at me if everything is not up-to-date. I just figured out (I think) what is going on, and still have to sort out my catalogues properly. hildon-application-manager reads a catalogue list out of /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues (an XML file), and creates /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list each time. hildon-application-manager-config dump dumps out the XML hildon-application-manager-config set blows it away (duh) hildon-application-manager-config set xx.xml resets it to the contents of xx.xml apt-get reads /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* If you add more lists, or edit hildon-application-manager.list (as I did) you will have a sync problem and perhaps duplicate entries. E.g. yesterday hildon-application-manager wanted to upgrade rsync 2.6.9-2 to 2.6.9-2 maemo-recorder 0.2.0 to 0.2.0 maemo-mapper 2.4.1-os2008 to 2.4.1-os2006-os2007 while apt-get -s -V upgrade said The following packages have been kept back: maemo-mapper (2.4.1-os2008 = 2.4.1-os2006-os2007) maemo-recorder (0.2.0 = 0.2.0) The following packages will be upgraded: less (394-4osso1 = 394-4osso2) rsync (2.6.9-2 = 2.6.9-2) I'm a bit confused why it would want to upgrade rsync to the same version, and why it would want to downgrade maemo-mapper. Perhaps something to do with my having had a Bora repository in the catalogue - the newer Nokia repositories have a sort-weight entry which the older and 3rd-party ones don't, which may affect which repositories are searched for updates first. maemo-mapper 2.4.1-os2008 is from Chinook while 2.4.1-os2006-os2007 is from Bora. Right now I managed to blow away my XML catalogue completely and but saved most of it by copying the dump from my xterm window. But I'm missing some off the end, such as the notifier entry and perhaps some of the keys. - does anyone know where I can download a clean copy from (without flashing!) or can send me a copy ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Power consumption and WLAN APs
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One possibility is a WLAN AP with broken power management I recently noticed that my tablet battery runs down faster at work than at home, with the WiFi enabled but otherwise sitting idle (12%/hour vs 1%/hour). I thought the issue might be that there's more broadcast/multicast traffic at work, which would get through the filters in the ethernet chip and into the kernel, but then I found a reference to your post on the list. At home I have a Linksys WRT54; at work I think Orinoco-AP2000 where I may be able to change some settings (writing this at home I can't login to check). What power-management issues have you seen affecting battery life ? Would it affect other laptops as well or just the tablets ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (AGPS)
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Nils Faerber wrote: Using the ephimeris data from ublox a ublox Antaris 5 receiver can have a time to first after cold start of less than three seconds! Now that's impressive! (thanks for the info; I stand corrected re. AGPS in non-cellphone devices..) We already wondered what this GUI is good for ;) Choosing your region? Oh well... From running supld on the command line (it normally runs as a daemon from startup) : SUPL daemon version is Mon May 5 12:12:24 UTC 2008 SLP address: supl.nokia.com SLP port: 7275 A-GPS srv address: supl.nokia.com Position timestamp: 1214410112.00 Position latitude: 49.162067 Position longitude: -123.119614 Position uncertainty: 300 Previous A-GPS req time: 0 Previous A-GPS req status: 0 A-GPS support: 1 NW INIT enabled: 0 Cached assistance data support: 1 Packet data for assistance data allowed: 1 Preferred connection id: Rogers Internet SetId NAI: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PSK EMSK: Wimax BSID: GSM Cell ID by BT support: 0 Debug SLP IP source: provisioned Debug mode: 0 Debug log folder: /media/mmc2/supllog/ agps-ui allows you to choose the preferred connection id (it only offered my EDGE connection), but supld downloaded data over the WLAN. agps-ui also has a checkbox to enable Packet data ... I presume it means do you want to incur cellular data charges for downloading an ephemeris?. I don't know how to turn on debugging (DBUS?); nothing is written to /media/mmc2/supllog/. I'm not sure where the positions came from; I suspect from the last position saved by gpsdriver. It's more accurate than geosearching my ip address. I think that supld is exchanging data on DBUS with gpsdriver; the new version links libsupld.so I presume from this that some location data is available from WiMax on the new device, and also from the GPS cell ID. I know the cell ID is available from my Nokia cellphone (I had gnokii running on my laptop via USB, and I built it for the tablet), and I believe Google has been mapping cell locations by driving around (Rogers told me the tower locations were confidential when I asked a couple of years back). Pointing a browser at supl.nokia.com doesn't get you far; I don't know the path, and it may be using a client-side SSL certificate for authentication. I haven't actually tried this much in real life so far. From what you say about ephemeris lifetime, I would hope to get a 30-second fix going outside from somewhere with WLAN but no sky (like my home, or office). I would hope that one could also take an 8-hour plane trip, then use agps-ui to set my approximate location, and get a fix in a minute or two instead of never. If true, it should go a long way to fixing the GPS woes (thanks, Zoltan). -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (AGPS)
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, GROG! (Jeff Howie) wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800 with a bluetooth GPS? I have to agree with Josh. AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device. Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online. Hmm... as per http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186839postcount=641 there's an app agps-ui beta from http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/ It uses supl-daemon to download something from https://supl.nokia.com:7275 Not sure at this point what effect this has - I'm indoors with too weak a satellite signal to get a fix. Looks interesting ... certainly agps-ui lets you choose your estimated position. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Wayfinder Navigator vs Garmin
FAQ re. Bluechart on the Nuvi. It says it works, so I presume my comments about vector-based maps, transparency, etc. on Garmin are still valid. The GPSmap is waterproof, the Nuvi is not. (or the tablet..) There is a whole other thread about time-to-first-fix in the N810 - in brief, it can be very long compared to other devices. www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap76 Can't get the compare feature to do marine vs. automobile :-( -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Wayfinder Navigator vs Garmin
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Mark wrote: The built-in Map app *is* the Wayfinder app, you just have to pay and get a code to activate the routing feature. dpkg identifies it as map - Map Application for Nokia Internet Tablet OS. But yes, that's the one. My *really* old Garmin GPS III doesn't do routing, and has only a very sketchy basemap with no possibility of loading street-level maps, but even that easily loads points-of-interest as waypoints as well as routes (based on waypoints, not streets). Many different apps support uploading and downloading waypoints and routes to Garmin units. I found one that works on Linux - gd2, which I rewrote as gd276 to support my gpsmap76 (slightly different data format). Not GPX, though. I have a script to take a Google Map URL and upload a waypoint, and another to geotag my photos. Correct. It supports Garmin format maps, but not actual Garmin maps because they are encrypted. It also supports OpenStreetMaps. BlueChart is encrypted. Some of the other actual Garmin maps like enhanced basemap, roads and recreation and topo are not encrypted. Or they didn't used to be. You used to be able to download the basemap off Garmin's site in case you deleted it by accident, or reflashed the unit and lost it. Presumably the N810s can work with bluetooth GPSRs just as well. It would be cool if somebody could work out a way to use a bluetooth and the internal receivers simultaneously to increase accuracy. Yes, the N810 works with external b/t GPS. It's just ** annoying that we paid extra $$ for a built-in GPS and Nokia customer support tell me that I should buy one of their external units if I want good TTFF. I hear a rumour that there is a software enhancement in the next release to speed things up, maybe by downloading an ephemeris over the net. Having 2 receivers will not improve accuracy by itself. My Garmin has WAAS (North America only apparently; I hadn't realized - maybe EGNOS in Europe). The N810 probably doesn't. Using a b/t receiver with WAAS/EGNOS or DGPS capability (needs external radio receiver) would give better accuracy, though I hadn't noticed my N810 being wildly off. http://www8.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: passing arguments to hildon applications
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Eero Tamminen wrote: Just use mime summon utility from Tuomas: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=687 I looked into that and fix seems to be simple. Add a sec or two wait before exiting the main(). D-BUS seems to do something funky if sender exits before the message is forwarded to the receiver. Thanks! I added sleep(2) and it worked with the PDF viewer http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/mime-open.deb -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Lock, sleep, power-down
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Ryan Abel wrote: Just ask lcuk, connecting to an access point that doesn't support powersaving will bring your battery life down to about 2 hours. I get about 60 hours out of my N800 with Bluetooth on and wifi connected (WRT54G with tomato). I had some problems where the battery connections shook loose inside the battery pack, causing my tablet to reboot unexpectedly and not charge properly etc. So I was looking at the charging process trying to figure out what was wrong, and then out of curiosity using the battery-status script from http://nitapps.com/ and logging the output. I hadn't realized that the AP is part of the power-saving scheme; there is a power-save option on the tablet under advanced/other in the connection manager. If unchecked, battery life drops from 100 hours to 7 hours on my APs (Dlink at home, Proxim at work). I tried setting the WiFi to 10mW but it didn't make much difference. I agree; the backlight should turn off. With the light on, I estimate 9 hours battery life. http://andrew.daviel.org/N810-FAQ.html#battlast -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery checks on N810 tablet
Thanks for the reply. On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Eero Tamminen wrote: ext Andrew Daviel wrote: I read your post on maemo users re. startup when you say RD mode disables some battery checks. What checks are those? AFAIK Battery type/safety ones, disabling them allows connecting e.g. adjustable power source[1] to the device for RD purposes. I think the checks are there so that device doesn't try to use a battery that could be dangerous to the device or the user (I've understood that bad counterfeit/forged lithium batteries could burn). [1] Industrial power sources naturally don't have these issues, but then again, you really cannot call them mobile :-) /AFAIK I see in another forum that the third battery terminal is probably connected to a temperature sensor, and I presume this is what is disabled : http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/Li_Ion_reconstruct/ Device is not intended to be run in RD mode longer than is necessary. I've disabled RD mode and gone back to a hacked gainroot; I'd been thinking that setting RD in the Nokia flasher tool was somehow preferable to a user hack... -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Yet another N810 FAQ
FYI, I wrote up some of my N810 discoveries as a FAQ - mostly things I figured out for myself but some courtesy members of this list (thanks again) http://andrew.daviel.org/N810-FAQ.html Corrections appreciated. Or questions with answers, preferably ones I can verify myself, or at least a definitive URL. (as to why it's not a Wiki .. I *still* find it easier to edit on my own servers with vi than to use a browser as an editor ...) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Andrew Daviel wrote: All I need now is a script to do wget and mail ... something like Babelfish would be good - translate this URL except to PDF not German. I don't actually need the Office files on the tablet at all. I could use my desktop machine if I figured out OpenOffice server mode ... I found http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/batch-command-line-file-conversion-with.html and wrote said Babelfish-style converter. If anyone wants to try it, see http://home.daviel.org/cgi-bin/ms2pdf No guarantees it will stay up, and the bandwidth's not great (this is not a production server). I called it MS to PDF but it will also do ODT, SXW etc. to PDF or HTML. I have OpenOffice 2.4 running in headless server mode and pass it documents retrieved with wget. Currently it caches converted documents indefinitely so I'm not bothered if someone hits reload a few times. Point taken about wanting to work on documents offline, but what I wanted was to check out the slides at a conference to see what stream I wanted to attend, or follow links in the presentation in real time. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
FYI, Nokia N810 user survey
As per the Internet Tablet Talk post by dkwatts, http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/redir.xhtml?source=promoapplet Nokia is asking about our experiences and suggestions for the N810. 20 min. web survey on a scale of 1-10, how important is IM to you? etc. plus a few free-form comment boxes. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Giacomo Tufano wrote: Try to send an Office attach to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it SHOULD answer with a pdf of the attach. If it works, I could try to find in Sun if the service is really public and, therefore, if it can be used by anyone. Just make of know if it works for you. Hth, gt Cool! I guess it is public .. it says This service courtesy of?Sun Microsystems, the leader in open source and networked systems. Powered by?StarOffice?Server and Java Mail. I sent a 1-page Word doc and a 26-slide powerpoint with embedded photos. The PDF from the powerpoint bombed my old Xpdf 2.01 but was OK on the tablet, if a bit slow. All I need now is a script to do wget and mail ... something like Babelfish would be good - translate this URL except to PDF not German. I don't actually need the Office files on the tablet at all. I could use my desktop machine if I figured out OpenOffice server mode ... -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Adding/changing browser helper applications in N8*0
Does anyone know how to change the helper applications in Firefox on the N810 ? On my desktop, it's gotten slightly messy since Netsscape 2 but Firefox still reads standard /etc/mailcap and ~/.mailcap and uses those, even if it does have an XML/RDF file in preferences.. On the tablet, strace shows the browser reading these files but it ignores the contents. I found it reading /etc/gnome/defaults.list. If I add an entry to use mplayer, it doesn't work. However, if I copy /usr/share/applications/hildon/mplayer.desktop to /usr/share/applications/hildon/hildon-mplayer.desktop, then the browser will start mplayer with the graphical interface. But it doesn't have open the file or URL. On my desktop, I had been playing with streaming and playlists; to get this to work, I had to create a script to parse video/quicktime files to see if they were playlists (with an RTSP URL), or actual media - they have the same MIME type. Other types such as MPEG and MP3 usually have a different MIME type for the playlist or redirector, so I can launch mplayer directly: video/x-mpegurl;mplayer -playlist %s; video/x-ms-wvx;mplayer -playlist %s; video/x-ms-wmv;mplayer %s video/x-msvideo;mplayer %s etc. I'm not sure such a thing would even work on the tablet; it looks like all helpers have to be fully hildonized so an intermediate script will not work. (mplayer is more efficient than Nokia's media player - it will play larger formats without skipping, and it has more codecs so will play some AVIs and MPEGs that the Nokia one won't) - is there Plugger or equivalent for the tablets ? Generally I find it easier to use helpers from a link as often pages with embedded objects assume you have the standard Windows plugin with some particular size, interface etc. but on occasion Plugger has worked for me. The other thing I had wanted to do was run different profiles - one for connecting via a cellphone (no images), and one via WiFi. And maybe one via open WiFi (tunnel though SSH to a proxy elsewhere) as I do on my laptop. But browser -P does not work. I found /home/user/.browser which I might be able to tweak to change the image settings. Proxy settings are tweakable via about:config though I haven't got an equivalent to profile changing yet. Andrew Daviel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Mark wrote: Actually, there *is* an armel port of OpenOffice, I'm just not savvy enough to get it installed. Besides, if a full word processor like Abiword can work, it's not much of a stretch. I don't want to create documents, I just want to view PowerPoint. And maybe Word. And maybe**2 Excel. Not all in one huge app. For when I'm at a multi-stream conference and want to review the slides to figure out which session to attend. Anything that does that ? Come to think of it, I don't need it actually in the tablet. Some service that converted it to PDF online would be great (Google's HTML version of PowerPoint is I guess part of their indexing process and doesn't seem to preserve the layout/graphics particularly well). -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: launching scripts/apps from desktop icons
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a huge fan of the Command Navigator app. It replaces the silly Contacts taskbar app, and can be configured to launch arbitrary command line programs via a menu. I tried installing that on my N810 with apt-get, also personal-menu_0.4-2 with dpkg (the latest wants a later libglade). But I can't see how to start them. I don't get a popup on the tablet asking which menu I want it in. I see the configuration in settings/control panel/personalisation and can add a command, but I can't find an icon anywhere in the menus. I didn't change sudoers; the docs said it wasn't necessary if I didn't need to run a command as root. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
launching scripts/apps from desktop icons
On my desktop I don't have much time for the GUI; I find it much easier to type ls -lt foo* than wait for some app to paint 2000 icons I'm supposed to choose from. But I have a few Gnome toolbar icons I have tied to commands like xterm -e ssh -i foo [EMAIL PROTECTED] using create launcher. Is it possible to do this in maemo/Hildon on the Nokia tablets ? One page I looked at seemed to be saying applications needed to be rewritten to use the hildon manager, which seems a lot of effort just to get a launcher button. Apart from wanting to have a button to do scripts like the above, I was trying to run example_camera (from garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/) from a button. Works from the command line; doesn't start properly from a button (or maybe I just haven't got the files set up properly) Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
writing HTML for tablets
I write the occasional web page, and I was thinking about screen size as it relates to web content. In the past I had not given it much consideration, except that when I made some pages for a cellphone (128x128 pixels, $0.02/kb data charges) I made them much smaller with no or tiny graphics. The Nokia tablets are 800x480, and I can't see pocket PC displays getting much bigger than 1000x500. If they were physically larger, they would not fit in a pocket, and if the pixels were smaller you would need reading glasses (I already need 3 diopter glasses; I only need 1.0 for a PC screen or paperbacks in good light...). Regular laptops have about reached the limit; too. Any bigger and they would not fit in a briefcase or on an aircraft tray. On the other hand, desktops can get physically larger (we have some 2x4 panel arrays) and wall displays can get even bigger. Mainstream LCD panels are changing to 16x9 aspect ratio and HDTV 1920x1080 for single panels. So what are we to write content for ? Not so much a problem for legacy HTML which just flows to fit the width, but the modern graphic-rich stuff assumes a width of about 1024 or more. Maybe we can dynamically adjust the images to fit. I was playing with this at http://andrew.triumf.ca/js/alternate.cssxi.html But really, we don't want to send so much data over 3G in the first place, so the content needs to be available in smaller pages for tablets and cellphones. Which needs some kind of size-sensitive CMS system to handle it. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: writing HTML for tablets
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 07:55:15PM +0200, Olivier Ricou wrote: You have the feeling your eyes cannot see a higher resolution but you are wrong (*). For usual text I agree low resolution is ok however if you read a PDF or any antialiasing text, if you look at a movie, you will appreciate to have a better resolution. Think that 300dpi printers have been replaced by 600dpi ones when most screen are less than 100dpi. I have a 1600x1200 15 screen and before I had a 1400x1050 for the same size. I do appreciate the difference and since my computer is quite old, I look for higher resolution. Hm. Maybe.. Some years ago when my eyes were better and Linux did X11 the hard way I had a 0.26mm dot CRT carefully set up so that the X11 pixel size matched the phosphor dot size. X11 fonts looked really crisp and I could read maybe 10pt with no problem. But antialiased fonts as used on Windows looked smeared and I had to use a bigger font size and sit further away from the screen. Which seemed like another good reason not to use Windows, if one had a quarter of the usable display area compared to the same hardware using Linux. The only limit I can see is the size of the text in mm (or inches) which is quite different since you always can increase the size of the font if your resolution increase. OK, for pixels substitute point size. The basic issue of not being able to fit so much text on a pocket tablet compared to a desktop remains. The big problem is that a lot os servers ignore the user's settings, so they specify the sizes of text boxes explicitly in pixels based on their specified font sizes, regardless of the browser's minimum font size. So in practice, I often don't have the option of increasing font size to make text readable. This has long seemed a problem with HTML style. Images are specified in pixels, while text is in point size. What fits on one platform (Windows, generally) doesn't fit on others (X11), even if the same fonts are available (Microsoft released web fonts including Arial, then withdrew them, but I think they are still around for free or maybe even included in distros; I haven't checked recently). And that, as you say, is regardless of the user having changed their font size away from the system default. Re. servers, as I recall some versions of IE send a display size (in pixels) in the User-Agent header. But Mozilla does not. So the server does not, in general, know the user's preferences. Except for language, used in Apache error messages and not much else as far as I can tell. In my demo I used JavaScript (running in the browser) to check the display size. In pixels, not pointsize. I'm not even sure if it's possible to find what the user's display is really set to. Using ctrl+, ctrl- in Firefox on my desktop seems to change the size in pixels of a particular pointsize, different from the script below which changes the pointsize in an element. But I tend to write legacy HTML and don't usually do this stuff, so I may have missed something http://eriwen.com/javascript/change-text-size-onclick-with-javascript/ That said, my glasses are approximately -7 diopters. I can see all the pixels I want by taking my glasses off and holding my n800 about 12 cm from my nose. :-) I could do that when I was 12. Now I need a microscope to solder surface-mount chips. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: gpsd command line
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Chris wrote:
I have the same question. Would love to try NavT.
http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_connectivity_guide_bora.html
http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/gpsbt/group__gpsbt__api.html
I tried this; it started but stopped right away, though some doc says
that gpsd is supposed to keep running as long as there is a client
Then I built the tracker from the connectivity guide, which seems to
start it up and keep running. Disable the track logging if you don't need
it.
#include gpsbt.h
#include errno.h
int main () {
int s ;
char error_buf[100] ;
gpsbt_t ctx ;
s = gpsbt_start(NULL, 0, 0, 0, error_buf, 100, 0, ctx);
if (s) {
perror(gpson) ;
printf(%s\n,error_buf) ;
}
sleep(100) ;
}
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Re: signedness of char on ARM vs x86
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008, Juha Kuikka wrote: Char is indeed unsigned on ARM by default. http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/docs/faqs/signedchar.php You could try to give -fsigned-char to gcc when you build your library. - Juha Yes, thank you. That clears up the few failures in make check and the application works properly, too. For opencv I did export CFLAGS=-fsigned-char; export PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.5; ./configure ; make ; make check cc. to maemo-users in case others run into this porting packages from x86 On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Andrew Daviel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find some compiler warnings such as warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type warning: converting of negative value `-0x1' to `char' By which I presume that char is signed on the 386 and unsigned on the ARM. -- Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Python versions, build in scratchbox
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, José Luís wrote: Yes, rebuilding qemu with arm-eabi patches ( http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/) will fix this problem. And sorry because the link that I passed to you was in portuguese. - tried reading with Babelfish; not so bad, but this is better :-) But the steps are simple: 1. You have to install gcc-3.4 and zlib1g-dev - (sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 zlib1g-dev) No compat-gcc-3.4 for my Fedora Core 4; I had compat-gcc-3.2 .. I forced in 3.4 from FC6 .. seems to work, but still gave the FUTEX error etc. below. Maybe 3.2 would have worked equally.. Also had to install SDL-devel 2. Get the patched qemu-arm-eabi sources available in http://sourceforge.net/projects/qemu-arm-eabi/ - svn co https://qemu-arm-eabi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/qemu-arm-eabi/trunkqemu-arm-eabi 3. Compile - cd qemu-arm-eabi - ./configure --target-list=arm-linux-user --static - make I had errors compiling linux-user/syscall.c: 59:25: warning: sys/inotify.h: No such file 409: undefined reference to `inotify_rm_watch' 3311: error: `FUTEX_LOCK_PI' undeclared I commented out the conditional code for inotify_rm_watch etc. and removed the check for FUTEX_LOCK_PI (leave FUTEX_WAIT) and it seems to work. 4. Update the scratchbox - sudo cp arm-linux-user/qemu-arm /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 - sudo vim /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/etc/cputransp-methods - add the line: qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 - vim /scratchbox/users/USERNAME/targets/SDK_ARMEL.config - change the variable value SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD to /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 I have CHINOOK_ARMEL.config not SDK_ARMEL.config The syscall errors will disappear. Yes :-) (have not tried running the code .. various other dependencies to be resolved first ..) Andrew___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mouse button 2/3 on N8*0 ?
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Martin Grimme wrote: If the app supports the additional mouse buttons, it should do so on the tablet as well without modifications. E.g. I'm able to scroll through lists with the mouse wheel on the tablet via vnc. Am I being dumb ? AFAIK my N810 doesn't have a mouse wheel or mouse buttons - I can tap on the screen = mouse 1, and there's a joystick ring on the slide-out keyboard mapped to Up, Down, Left, Right and Enter. Various other buttons (fullscreen, zoom in etc.) map to F5, etc. (I meant that I was using the tablet to access an app on a server or desktop, not using the desktop to access an app on the tablet. Or, I might port some desktop app to the tablet that uses mouse 2/3) (does it, perchance, support a Bletooth mouse ? I presume it would if one can use a BT keyboard) AFAIK, tap-and-hold doesn't technically emulate any mouse button. It's handled on the application level (GTK, Hildon), not by the X server. Well, yes. I just meant that if I wanted to save an image I could do tap-and-hold to bring up the menu that I would get with mouse-3 on my desktop. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Python versions, build in scratchbox
I was just trying to build a Python package (mxDateTime from http://downloads.egenix.com/python/egenix-mx-base-2.0.6.tar.gz); not something I often do. While I've been able to compile various C packages with configure;make install, the python setup.py install recipe failed, first trying to run /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/gcc, which didn't exist, and then trying to install in /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/mx instead of /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/ If I try python2.4 setup.py install, it fails with various errors such as sem_post: Function not implemented I installed scratchbox with the maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh script a few weeks ago, which got me AFAIK 2008SE_2.2007.52.0. That has Python 2.3 and Python 2.4 I'm a bit confused as to which gets used; if I just type python, I get 2.3.4, although /usr/bin/python is a link to python2.4. If I type python2.4, I get 2.4.2 My N810 now has OS2008 51-3, with Python 2.5.1. I'd kind of assumed that OS2008 scratchbox would have the same version as the tablet... and that setup.py install would work. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Python versions, build in scratchbox
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, José Luís wrote: Hi, you have to install python2.5-dev package in scratchbox (apt-get install python2.5-dev). OK - that gets python2.5 and libffi4, too. To install your package you can use python2.5-dev setup.py install command. I guess you mean python2.5 setup.py install This message sem_post: Function not implemented is a qemu problem (http://setanta.wordpress.com/2007/11/20/qemu-arm-eabi-no-scratchbox/), but compilation should work. python2.5 setup.py build works, but I get things like qemu: Unsupported syscall: 0 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting error: command '/usr/bin/python2.5' failed with exit status 252 when I do python2.5 setup.py install. Tt seems to fail after a certain time, so by re-running the script multiple times, eventually it finishes. Would rebuilding quemu fix this problem, too ? Andrew___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: where is crontab ?
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Andrew Flegg wrote: There's no cron shipped as standard with ITOS or Maemo; and I don't recall having seen a good port. I'm not so sure about good, but I built a small cron I found on the Web. Seems to run OK, but it uses sleep() to schedule wakeups. It would probably be better to rewrite it to use the alarmd that is already running. cron expects to send stdout/stderr via mail, which doesn't exist either, so I modified nbsmtp-1.00 to emulate binmail. http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/cron-0.9.deb http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/sources/cron-0.9.tar.gz http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/nbsmtp-1.00m.deb http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/sources/nbsmtp-1.00m.tar.gz -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
GPE ICS/WebDAV/CalDAV
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, James Knott wrote: Is it possible to sync the GPE calendar with Google calendar? On a closely related topic, is is possible to connect GPE to a standards-based online calendar, as with Mozilla Sunbird ? (I haven't actually tried GPE yet, so please excuse if it's obvious) We have spent some time trying to decide on a sitewide shared caledaring system, and finally picked Bedework as being standards-based (CalDAV) with a Web interface as well. I've also been playing with WebDAV and CalDAV servers, and have some read-only calendars in ICS v2.0 format (there's a ton on the Web). Of course, I should be able to just use the Bedework Web interface, but it would be nice to download events to a local client for going out of WiFi range.. As I recall, Google support HTTP/ICS download but use their own API for upload - maybe CalDAV was not mature enough at the time. CalDAV in theory is more efficient than WebDAV as calendars can be updated with a single event rather than uploading the entire thing, and also supports scheduling via a free/busy mechanism - theoretically, across multiple servers so that you can schedule meetings between groups at two different institutions. As to why not everyone use Google - some organizations and countries forbid storing private information offsite/offshore, espcially somewhere subject to the Patriot Act. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
hildon-libs0 - osso-af conflict
I was just trying to install vncviewer on OS2008 on my N810. Along the way dpkg said there was a conflict between hildon-libs0 and osso-af, but when I look at the package lists they are orthogonal (osso-af is a metapackage with no installed files; the docs are stripped). I forced it in. Is there any reason I should not have ? # apt-get install vncviewer (from extras/bora) The following packages have unmet dependencies: vncviewer: Depends: hildon-libs0 (= 0.14.11-1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages # dpkg -i hildon-libs0_0.14.11-1_armel.deb osso-af conflicts with hildon-libs0 # dpkg -i vncviewer_0.6_armel.deb vncviewer depends on hildon-libs0 (= 0.14.11-1); however: Package hildon-libs0 is not installed. vncviewer depends on libdbus-1-2 (= 0.61); however: Package libdbus-1-2 is not installed. # vncviewer vncviewer: error while loading shared libraries: libhildonwidgets.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory # dpkg --force-conflicts -i hildon-libs0_0.14.11-1_armel.deb dpkg: regarding hildon-libs0_0.14.11-1_armel.deb containing hildon-libs0: osso-af conflicts with hildon-libs0 hildon-libs0 (version 0.14.11-1) is to be installed. dpkg: warning - ignoring conflict, may proceed anyway ! # dpkg -i libdbus-1-2_0.61-osso28_armel.deb (from bora) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Mouse button 2/3 on N8*0 ?
Is there any way to map something to a mouse key ? I don't see how to do it with xmodmap, or maybe I didn't read the right docs. If I connect to a *nix box with ssh/X11 or Xvnc, I might run some app that needs button 2 or 3 (e.g. Xfig needs button 2 to end a polyline). (I notice from some RTFM - help - that button 3 in the browser is implemented as tap-and-hold : save link as etc.) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 gps troubles
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote: Once you get the almanac downloaded, fix time can be shorter (5 minutes to 10 minutes in bad conditions). And if you got a fix in the Any idea where the almanac is stored ? In the GPS chip itself ? Does it survive power-down or dead battery ? I gather it's a Texas device (GPS5300) with not a lot of info on the Web (contact TI if you're a cellphone maker wanting millions of the things, hobbyists need not apply). The 2-page teaser suggests that it communicates over a serial bus, maybe native NMEA0183. It also says ..enables a rapid time to first fix from weak satellite signals exceeding the A-GPS requirements for 3GPP operation It's possible that there are some layout issues affecting the performance in the N810 - the chip requires an antenna and 11 passive components (capacitors, resistors..), so it's possible the design is sub-optimal. e.g. compromised to fit it in the space available. A-GPS being apparently assisted GPS used with a signal from cell towers which I had not previosuly heard of. Perhaps in a true cellphone application the cell system sends some approximate location to speed up the time to fix (for 911 calling in the US) I had noticed that, compared to my Garmin GPSmap76 (now several years old), that the N810 takes longer to acquire a fix but having got one, is able to keep it with less signal (indoors in my wood-framed house), at least for a while. For the Garmin, initial setup required priming it with an approximate position but I see no means to do that on the N810. Perhaps it is now considered unnecessary. Also remember GPS antenna is located under the zoom in/out button, so try to not hold your n810 with your hand over them (at least for initial GPS fix). I had assumed it was the little plastic square just above the camera, so that the best orientation was screen side upwards with a good view of the sky. Once I had a fix, then I could put it in my pocket riding a bike. There seems an awful lot of metal in the N810 case, and radio waves traditionally don't penetrate. At least, that's what I learned at school but the modern devices seem awfully sensitive and the signal can diffract through small holes... I'm not sure Maemo Mapper really has more information available. As far as I can figure, gpsd translates NMEA from the device to a generic format and makes it available to multiple clients on localhost:2947. The NMEA includes $GPGSV GPS Satellites in View. You can see this if you connect to the socket with netcat and give an r (raw) command, or q or y. In Nokia Map the gps view shows signal levels and satellite position graphically, I presume derived from this information. - I'm curious. What time-to-first-fix are people experiencing ? (I guess I should quantify my own experience..) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?
If I should take both my N810 and a laptop to some unwired location (my boat), how can I have them communicate ? Bringing a WiFi hub (+ power supply, + inverter...) seems like overkill. If I could set my laptop in Ad-Hoc or Master mode (which I'm not sure I can, or even if the chip supports it; the iwconfig option is rejected in Linux and I just get confused in Windows between duelling Microsoft and IBM managers), could the N810 connect ? Or, is it possible to connect via the USB cable and get a shell so I can use the laptop keyboard ? Otherwise, posting files through the SD card would work OK, but no keyboard. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Connecting N8*0 to laptop - USB or Ad-Hoc WiFi ?
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Ryan Pavlik wrote: You should be able to join (or even create!) an ad-hoc (Computer-to-Computer) network with the N810 - I see them all the time on my network list. OK, yes - my old Dell with an Orinoco card will do ad-hoc in both Windows and Linux. The N810 shows an icon with a little blob over it to differentiate it from AP. My not-quite-so-old IBM Thinkpad with internal Atheros chip doesn't want to do ad-hoc in Linux (with the atheros driver). In Windows I just got confused as there are IBM and Microsoft managers fighting to control the card. The Orinoco manager on the Dell was easy. BT might work; I'd have to buy a BT adapter as neither laptop has it, plus at this point I don't have much experience with BT (beyond buying Logitech's nice Denovo keyboard+basestation and pressing a button to pair them...) Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 gps troubles
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Frederic Crozat wrote: No, the plastic square is the light sensor ;) So, where is the GPS antenna and how does it get a signal ... (my first (near-useless) GPS had a pivoting antenna about 2cm * 2cm * 6cm and marine people were recommending an external antenna about 10cm across if mounting a set on a boat .. my Garmin has an internal antenna, but still a jack for an external one, and works fine through the fiberglass roof) (I guess I should quantify my own experience..) Outside my house I was seeing about 7 satellites with good signals from 4. My Garmin got a first fix in 48 seconds vs. 176 seconds for the N810. After powering off, the Garmin got a second fix in about 2 seconds. The N810 took about 20 seconds. For a much newer device, that's kind of disappointing. I tried moving the tablet to various orientations but didn't see any clear affect on the signal strength, having got a fix. I take it back about the metal .. the case is plastic painted to look like metal, apart from the battery cover and the front fascia, and the dark grey panel at the top back is all plastic. I just popped it .. holds the funny-looking speakers with audio ducts to the side, and an odd floating single contact - maybe it's conductive plastic for EMI shielding ... http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810.spkr.jpg http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810.back1.jpg http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810.back2.jp (video grab from fixed-focus minicam, excuse the blurring..) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cross-compiling for the N800
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Peter Flynn wrote: All installed, but compiling the utility with cc -o foo foo.c bar.c produces a binary which executes perfectly inside the VMware dev img window, but whe uploaded to the N800 says Personally, I installed scratchbox as per http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt then have to start the environment up and login. Then I get a prompt [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] and can do gcc, make etc., then copy binaries to the tablet with scp. Sometimes, the binary segfaults in scratchbox but runs OK on the tablet. I haven't investigated. I'm not sure this is the same as you have; I'm not running VMware AFAIK. I don't normally use GUI on Linux and may or may not have an icon on ny FC4 system. Probably not. Described (including caveat about not heeding warnings...) at http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810-blog.html#scratchbox Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
QR (mobile codes)
Anybody played with mobile codes (2D barcodes) ? Apparently they are a big deal in Japan I was browsing Nokia's site and found the following: http://mobilecodes.nokia.com/index.htm Of course, my 6820 cellphone is too old/small to have a reader, and my new N810 is Linux not Symbion and doesn't have Java :-( After following various links on Google about formats and patents and people saying not for Linux yet I found a couple of sites saying QR was royalty-free and http://trac.koka-in.org/libdecodeqr http://megaui.net/fukuchi/works/qrencode/index.en.html I managed to build libdecodeqr and the simpletest demo under both FC4 and Maemo. But it won't decode images on maemo (status 4200 imagereader error). On FC4 I can decode many of the test images, also images made with qrencode. Also a photograph of an image made with qrencode (which is the whole point of the exercise). http://andrew.triumf.ca/59_48_15-260308.jpg But QR images made with Nokia's online tool give 2009 CODEDATA_NOT_SUPPORT_ECI, which is somewhat annoying. I was starting to think this was kind of cool ... we could put QR codes on museum displays etc. and if every Japanese cellphone out-of-the-box, and most others with an app download, can read them and link to a website for more information, it would be neat. But now I'm wondering about interoperability. Has anyone played with this on a cellphone ? Can anyone read my QR image ? (a while back there was a fad in Japan to have T-shirts with English text, but mostly it was gibberish. Interestingly, I think I had a T-shirt with Kanji text, and a Japanese friend said that was gibberish, too. Now Nokia suggests we have machine-readable gibberish on our shirts, which opens the door to some interesting abuse with people wearing messages they don't understand (see me naked on www...), much like the legend of the Chinese take-out in Britain whose sign apparently read death to the round-eyes or some such ) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Locked out of my own machine?!?!?
I've searched the site, and the root password on my N800 with OS2008 2.2007.51-3 is *NOT* rootme. How the heck do I get root access on my own @#!$%^ machine!?!? On my N810 with OS2008, the root password in /etc/passwd was encrypted with crypt() and disabled (with a ! in front). John the Ripper cracked it to rootme in a couple of minutes. So, yours might indeed be rootme but it won't work because it's locked. On a normal system, usermod -U root would unlock it. YMMV. After beating myself over the head a few times, I decided that the best way to get root is probably what Nokia intended in the first place - use the flasher to enable RD mode then do sudo gainroot. Flasher 3.0 is quite nice and surprisingly painless, in terms of restoring backups, re-installing registered packages etc. Red Pill mode does not work on OS2008 (on the N810). Otherwise as others have said, install openssh-server + openssh-client then ssh to localhost. (openssh-server instal prompts for a new root password). IMO, one should then set up ssh keys and add PermitRootLogin without-password to /etc/ssh/sshd_config in view of the number of SSH bruteforcing attacks on the Internet. After doing sudo gainroot, you can then do su - to set root's environment. Otherwise it inherits user's. I now have openssh-server.deb saved on the SD card, so if I shoot myself in the foot (again) I can do # ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode # ./flasher-3.0 -b $ sudo gainroot # apt-get install /media/mmc1/openssh-server.deb then use scp and rsync to get back to where I was (apt-get over ssh from a desktop being a bit easier than poking application-manager with the stylus) Ramblings and documented mistakes at http://andrew.triumf.ca/andrew/n810-blog.html -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Encrypted filesystem/containers on N8*0 ?
Are there any encrypted filesystems that work on the Nokia tablets ? With all the buzz about people losing laptops with reams of HR records etc. it seems having an encrypted FS on an eminently losable device such as a tablet would be a good idea. While gpg can be used to encrypt single files, it is a real pain if you have lots of temporary files like a browser cache, and you have to remember to clean up plaintext with shred -u. I've used BestCrypt on my Linux desktop and laptops for the last few years. At the time it seemed the only thing that worked, and I've kept going out of inertia, but it's nonfree on Windows and uses x86 precompiled kernel modules (taints the kernel). How it works is that you create an encrypted container file (or a raw device), then create a filesystem on it (ext2, VFAT, etc.) and mount it. You give a password to mount the container, after which you have a normal-looking filesystem which can contain things like .mozilla/xyzdefault/cache and /tmp. I guess you could put /home on it, but earlier versions were insufficiently robust to risk it. (For the paranoid, there was recent buzz about people pulling data such as disk encryption keys out of RAM by cooling it, power-cycling then booting an alternate low-footprint OS - e.g. if someone steals your laptop when it's suspended or on) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Resetting the screen lock number on Nokia N8*
I have not (yet) shot myself in this particular foot ... :-7 When working on a password policy, I identified three categories of passwords (passwords should not be shared between categories, but that's another issue..) : - weak passwords that you don't write down because all you have to do is fill in your email address and it will be sent to you in clear - strong passwords that you don't write down, and if you forget it there's a way to reset it without knowing what it is (ask an administrator, remove the battery etc.). E.g. online banking, Linux shell passwords. - strong passwords that you write down and store in a couple of safes, because if you forget it you or your heirs are totally screwed. E.g. encryption keys, some Windows administrator passwords I'm wondering what category the Nokia N810 lock number falls in. It survives battery removal and OS reflashing, and AFAIK sshd won't start up until you have entered the number after booting. Anyone know how to reset the number if you really have to ? -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Resetting the screen lock number on Nokia N8*
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Austin Che wrote: How exactly would you get past the lock ? You should be able to use the flasher to set the default root device to the external card and then put on the card an OS that ignores the device lock on startup. OK. Of course it must be an ARM OS not some random Knoppix image... In terms of the original question, for ordinary mortals the answer seems to be write it down and keep it safe, unless you know a wizard spiced with but don't use a sensitive number, because a wizard can read it. Until someone places a foolproof 1-step rescue image on the Web and documents exactly how to install and boot it. I presume one might copy an image to the SD card over USB then use the Nokia flasher to boot it. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
shift-notifier in osso-xterm on N810
Does anyone know if one can disable the shift notifier in osso-xterm ? On the N810, if I maximize osso-xterm and slide out the keyboard, I have the full screen available, which is almost as good as xterm on my desktop. But as soon as I hit a key, it takes about 5 lines worth of vertical to put a shift notifier (abc/Abc/ABC/Fn) in the corner, and leaves it there till I close and re-open the keyboard. Not that it isn't useful, I just begrudge it 15% of the screen. It might be better as a pop-up that goes away after a second or so. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: shift-notifier in osso-xterm on N810
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Austin Che wrote: Does anyone know if one can disable the shift notifier in osso-xterm ? Control panel-Text input-Languages-Settings and uncheck word completion and next word prediction. You can also selectively show/hide it with shift-space. Thanks. Now all I have to do is swap characters I never use, such as the Yen symbol, for ones I use every few minutes, like '|' I find I keep opening and closing the keyboard .. Oops! Bad move ... I made .Xmodmap with keysym semicolon = semicolon colon bar bar bar keysym plus = plus equal Tab Tab Tab keysym m = m M Escape Escape Escape and put if [ -x /usr/bin/xmodmap -a -s .Xmodmap ] ; then xmodmap .Xmodmap fi in ~user/.profile, and now it won't boot. Keeps looping. I have the key lock on so sshd won't come up. Bah! Back to the flasher, I guess, unless anyone's got any suggestions. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is there an implementation of diff for OS2008?
Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote on Tue Mar 4: Is there an implementation of diff for OS2008? I recently ported diffutils from my home desktop (Fedora Core 4). I'm still trying to get my head around Debian packaging and .install files (Fedora uses RPM and Yum. Debian's easier, but different) so my .install doesn't work. Maybe it just needs to be user instead of free. So far, I have ported a few odd things I can't do without: diffutils - diff,sdiff,diff3 bc - arbitrary precision calculator bzman - emulates man using preformatted, bzipped pages cron - kind of works, but is missing mail gnuplot - X based plotting program less lynx - text-mode web browser nc - netcat tcp/udp client/server http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/ Now that I look, diff and less were probably in /scratchbox/tools/bin all along, but I couldn't find them on my N810 with apt-get install less. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Stale timezone rules for Canada
Yesterday was clock-forward time for most of the US and Canada, but my N810 failed to switch. I only bought it a few weeks ago, AND I upgraded to the latest OS2008 53.1 or whatever. Canada decided to follow the US on this province-by-province, but BC decided on 31 March 2006 and the Linux zone sources were updated the next day. So I'm wondering why Nokia has failed to update given nearly 2 years notice. In Maemo, timezones are in the libc6 package. I have maemo-scratchbox-4.0.1 and the zones weren't all correct there, either. But I was able to update libc and that seemed to fix Vancouver. Prior to that, I was able to recompile the North American rules with zic and copy the Vancouver zone to my N810, solving my immediate problem, as per my page http://andrew.triumf.ca/dst.html I have made a stab at collecting updated Canadian zones from my FC4 system (just because I've got it. It should really be done from source) and made http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/tzdata-canada-2006.deb this wants to overwrite files from libc6 but is not a complete replacement for libc6. Not sure how to do it in apt-get, but this works: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/tzdata-canada-2006_2006g_armel.deb so now $ zdump -v America/Yellowknife|grep 2008 gets America/Yellowknife Sun Mar 9 08:59:59 2008 UTC = Sun Mar 9 01:59:59 2008 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200A instead of America/Yellowknife Sun Apr 6 08:59:59 2008 UTC = Sun Apr 6 01:59:59 2008 MST isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200 -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Nokia N810 and Google Maps
FYI I just noticed that if I have Fit width to view checked in the browser on my N810, that Google Maps won't display. Well, it does, but the maps are blank. As I had had it checked the first time I tried Google Maps, I thought **! it, it won't work! (the Google Map API is something I want to play with using the GPS). (It might be nice to have a mobile version for the N8* tablets, not that the regular one won't work, but because I'd like to use less bandwidth if I'm connected via my cellphone and paying byte charges. But I think it's only available for Symbion, Windows Mobile and Java. Actually, what I really want is to overlay the Google results on the Nokia or Maemo-mapper maps that I already have, rather than downloading tiles over GPRS) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
