Re: N810 . Email Client / RSS Client
To be honest, the mail client is nearly three years old and has been broken for the whole of that period so it comes as no surprise it's still the same old broken piece of rubbish in the new release. Andy On 21 Oct 2007, at 13:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mail client appears to be the same and when I asked about it was told it was not a priority compared to the work that has been done in the browser... On 10/21/07, Luca Olivetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En/na Alan Williamson ha escrit: Is the Email client still p*ss poor when it comes to IMAP folders? Or have they actually fixed that? Oh, is the standard email client supposed to work? Since it couldn't even authenticate to my server (I'm using cram-md5) I just though it was there to occupy a slot in the menu and went on installing claws. A bit slow at times but it works ok[*] with imap. [*]ok as any current program that isn't really designed with imap in mind, so the constant synchronization of headers (I hope it just synchronizes those) makes it slow. Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: First release of maemo port of Claws Mail
On 17 Mar 2007, at 14:26, Zoran Kolic wrote: I have been waiting for a good client. You already have perfect mail client in repository, called mutt. Nothing against Claws. Mutt's a bit command liney isn't it? Not necessarily to everyone's taste, Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation
On Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 01:09PM, David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marius Vollmer wrote: We would like to get your feedback on these plans, both from the end-user point of view and from the point of view of package developers. Thank you for asking. That attitude is one of the reasons I like this platform. There is going to be a 'meta' package that represents the whole operating system. Updates to the OS are done by updating this meta package in the Application Manager. So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash device model? If so, then GOOD! To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point of view that if I bork my device I can reflash an image and get it working again. If it's one or the other but not both I want to stick as we are. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation
On Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 04:12PM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So are you looking to move away from the System Upgrade := reflash device model? If so, then GOOD! To be honest I prefer this route now, if only from the point of view that if I bork my device I can reflash an image and get it working again. I am not sure if there will always be flash image for each version of the meta package, but there will always be reasonably recent flash images so that upgrading from one to the latest 'patch level' should not be daunting. I suppose that depends on how reliable is the incremental flash process. If it's 100% then there should be no problems with what you suggest. My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like situation where you reinstall with XP SP1 becaude that's what came with your system and then have to install SP2 and 100+ hotfixes to get back to where you were. Microsoft have put a lot of effort into windows update to get around the fact that they can't redistribute windows CDs where with the N770/N800 we're in the reverse situation where redistribution of the firmware image is relatively painless. It also occurs to me that when you reflash, you know you have to do a backup or you lose your data. The fact that when you boot for the first time with a fresh image, the N800 sees the backups and offers to reinstall your settings makes that a relatively painless process. But if you can just apply a major firmware upgrade by accepting it in application manager and you don't think to backup first, what happens it goes wrong leaving you with an unworkable system? Andy, voting for both the old and the new approach... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation
On 15 Feb 2007, at 16:47, Paul Klapperich wrote: On 2/15/07, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like situation where you reinstall with XP SP1 becaude that's what came with your system and then have to install SP2 and 100+ hotfixes to get back to where you were. I have zero experience with Windows, so I don't know how painful it is what you describe. That, in particular, would be solved by having a somewhat recent flash image like you mentioned earlier. What he's describing would be akin to having to install Ubuntu Dapper and then having to patch your way up to Feisty Fawn, or similar. Generally not a danger, but it certainly takes a long time. With the added joys of having to authenticate your software, download a new copy of dpkg/apt-get, reboot three times, re-authenticate your licence, phone Microsoft when you fail authentication, reboot and wait an hour while all the patches install. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [maemo-users] 'Locking down' software installation
On 15 Feb 2007, at 16:39, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose that depends on how reliable is the incremental flash process. If it's 100% then there should be no problems with what you suggest. That's one thing that we have to figure out. Non-trivial I suspect. My only concern would be getting into a Windows XP-like situation where you reinstall with XP SP1 becaude that's what came with your system and then have to install SP2 and 100+ hotfixes to get back to where you were. I have zero experience with Windows, so I don't know how painful it is what you describe. Grim. One of the levels of hell. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Contacts on N800
On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 12:20PM, Jens Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i want to install contacts0.3 from opened hand. Unfortunately there are no debs available. Can somebody tell me, how to compile them for my device? I've tried it on my n800 but he didn't found a c compiler. Any help would be fine, There's a one-click install link at Maemo.org here: http://tinyurl.com/2v5cyl Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Contacts on N800
Don't they just. Both already look very polished. Because I had GPEContacts installed and had imported my contacts from a vcf (?) file, I found that Contacts was pre-populated with those contacts. As a dumb user I guess they use the same db. No such luck with dates and no import process which I look forward to. Andy On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 12:32PM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those apps look nice -- I also found their repository info here: http://maemo.o-hand.com/ On 2/7/07, Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 12:20PM, Jens Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i want to install contacts0.3 from opened hand. Unfortunately there are no debs available. Can somebody tell me, how to compile them for my device? I've tried it on my n800 but he didn't found a c compiler. Any help would be fine, There's a one-click install link at Maemo.org here: http://tinyurl.com/2v5cyl Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Contacts on N800
On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 12:52PM, Luca Donaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Contacts and Dates use the Evolution Data Server which is built in on IT OS=2006. So Contacts share the same data as the built in contacts app from Nokia, for example. You can import a calendar from a desktop Evolution installation (default on every Linux GNOME desktop) by simply copying its calendar.ics file over the same file on your N770/800 and rebooting the device (to let EDS rescan its database). I will try anyway but do you know if it works with a iCal calendar from OSX? I tried once but didn't do the reboot so perhaps that's why it didn't get picked up. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Contacts on N800
On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 01:07PM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/07, Luca Donaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/2/7, Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't they just. Both already look very polished. Because I had GPEContacts installed and had imported my contacts from a vcf (?) file, I found that Contacts was pre-populated with those contacts. As a dumb user I guess they use the same db. No such luck with dates and no import process which I look forward to. Both Contacts and Dates use the Evolution Data Server which is built in on IT OS=2006. So Contacts share the same data as the built in contacts app from Nokia, for example. You can import a calendar from a desktop Evolution installation (default on every Linux GNOME desktop) by simply copying its calendar.ics file over the same file on your N770/800 and rebooting the device (to let EDS rescan its database). Luca Donaggio I realize they are very early versions - but yeah they look great. I just installed both Dates and Contacts. I can't figure out what you can import contact-wise... there's no mention of supported formats. The dates app looks quite polished, but only seems to support day view and no import or subscribe option - so pulling in a published .ics (Google Calendar for example) looks tough for now. OK - so there is week, month and year view -- you tap the zoom out button. It also works in 24-hour time by default which should please the group here. Me included on the 24 hour bit :)) I do like the zoom paradigm as well. Different to the day/week/month method but fewer controls and as easy to use. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Contacts on N800
On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 01:14PM, Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, at 12:52PM, Luca Donaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Contacts and Dates use the Evolution Data Server which is built in on IT OS=2006. So Contacts share the same data as the built in contacts app from Nokia, for example. You can import a calendar from a desktop Evolution installation (default on every Linux GNOME desktop) by simply copying its calendar.ics file over the same file on your N770/800 and rebooting the device (to let EDS rescan its database). I will try anyway but do you know if it works with a iCal calendar from OSX? I tried once but didn't do the reboot so perhaps that's why it didn't get picked up. Just tried with an old copy of my Mac Calendar and it works as you suggest and I can now see my calendar in Dates on my n880. Nice :)) OK, so being picky, I have to copy the file to a specific directory that file manager doesn't brows to and then reboot but as my personal diary doesn't change that much, that's not what I call a major hardship. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Contacts on N800
On 7 Feb 2007, at 20:15, Jonathan Greene wrote: On 2/7/07, Levi Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dates app looks quite polished, but only seems to support day view The zoom in/out buttons on the toolbar let you expand or narrow the scope. Noted that right after my post. thanks. and no import or subscribe option - so pulling in a published .ics (Google Calendar for example) looks tough for now. We recently did a little playing with this. You can overwrite your Dates calendar with a GC .ics, but I couldn't find an option to merge the info from an .ics into an existing calendar (although I was able to do so by hand using a text editor). Gpe-calendar, on the other hand, was able to directly import .ics files into existing calendars, or add them concurrently as new calendars. Ideally we'd be able to sync two-way, but I would be very happy with the ability to subscribe to a published .ics file like you can in GPE Cal. I'd be more than happy with that as an option, Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] RSS News Reader application only shows a few articles
On Friday, February 02, 2007, at 03:56PM, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just looking for a sanity check here. I've raised bug #953 (https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=953) which questions why the N800 RSS news reader application only displays the most recent one or two articles from each feed, even though each feed may have 40+ articles available. Subscribed to the BBC's News feed I see more than that - somewhere in the region of 30+ articles. According to the RSS specification (comment #2 - is this specification available online?) this behaviour is correct, which in my mind leaves the news reader application fundamentally broken. When using regular updates, the application will only ever display a handful of the latest articles, deleting any previous articles you may not have read, which is useless!! :) It seems to do that - some from this morning have scrolled but there are no stats to allow me to tell how many are cached. I'd appreciate any feedback here (or in the bug - even a vote) to confirm if you believe the current behaviour is correct (in which case it's just myself and Jakub that have issues!) or if you agree with myself and Jakub - the news reader is broken. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: RSS News Reader application only shows a few articles
On Friday, February 02, 2007, at 04:26PM, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Mulhearn wrote: Subscribed to the BBC's News feed I see more than that - somewhere in the region of 30+ articles. Andy - are you using auto-refresh, and if so what interval do you have set? I'm not using autorefresh because I'm in rarely connected mode. It seems that the application is removing old articles with each refresh, so if you have a very slow refresh (eg. 4 or 8 hours) it's possible the feed reader may show 30+ articles, but if the refresh interval is rapid (eg. 30 minutes) then it will only display a couple of articles - the other 28+ will be deleted! Yup, you're right. I just refreshed and the article count is now down to 3. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Wired keyboard and N800
PSP Keyboard? If you mean the PlayStation Portable then is there one? Andy On Wednesday, January 31, 2007, at 04:47PM, Kahlil Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read on a tutorial on the web that you can use the PSP keyboard. I think the tutorial is on youtube. On 1/31/07, Luca Donaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody tried to use a USB keyboard (attached to a modified USB hub for power injection, of course) with the N800 in USB host mode? It doesn't work for me, keybord led doesn't even light up! Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: [maemo-users] Some Thoughts Regarding IT OS 2007 and the N800
Jakub, I'm not Mike so this is my view: Why do you want the 24 hour clock for UK/US users? Well one reason is because as a user I want it. If that's not enough, then I prefer the lack of ambiguity between 4am and pm which is resolved by referencing 04:00 and 16:00. It does seem odd to me that there seems to be some specific rule implemented for US/UK times when I've lived here for 46 years and not run into any specific format spec for UK times. Is it just for the clock application or do you equally strongly need to have 24 hour clock when file manager shows file timestaps or email shows the received time(date) field, etc.? For me, I'd say the latter. If you are running the UI in English but living in e.g. Germany you could also just go to the Control Panel, launch Language and region applet, set your UI to English, your regional settings to Deutchland and off you go. That sounds like a horrible hack to me. And I don't live in Germany and want a 24 hour clock. And I'm still wondering where this UK = am/pm clock style only comes from. I do not see this as something that would be high enough on our agenda right now. For me it's lower priority that getting an email client that works so I don't have to online and paying Orange's outrageous data charges to read my mail. Having said that, I'd be interested to know why the original implementation is broken and on what basis the decision was made. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] n800 standard email application
On Tuesday, January 16, 2007, at 03:30PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 02:01:51AM -0800, Andy Mulhearn wrote: On Tuesday, January 16, 2007, at 09:53AM, Simon Opelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all lucky owners of the new N800! I am not one of them :((yet...) Can any of you tell me if the bundled email application has been improved over the IT2006 version? In particular, does it mange IMAP folders this time? See [1] for a quite useful intro/overview on the N800. The mail client seems to be exactly the same .. product .. like the one shipped with IT2006 So completely broken then. I wouldn't call it completely broken. It does the things it was designed to do. Now, completely unusable is a fitting description. A semantic difference that I won't argue over. But perhaps Nokia would have been better balancing the resources comitted to getting the 800 to market against making sure it went to market with usable software. osso-xterm + ssh + mutt beats the crap out of the built-in email client. I used the browser to access .Mac, on the odd occasion I used mine which hasn't been for some time now. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: Battery Benchmarking?
On 13 Jan 2007, at 11:33, Neil MacLeod wrote: Nicola Larosa wrote: Simon Budig wrote: I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. That's exactly how I feel about it. Me too, and I'm getting the impression from this thread that Nokia are trying to insist the customer is wrong in this case (pun not intended!) :) I'm happy to be always ON at home, always ON when I'm on the train into the office but when I get off that train I want to be OFF! To achieve this flexibility I want/need a quick (and I mean really quick - no faffing about with multiple button presses and/or menu options) way to put the N800 into the same state of slumber the 770 goes into when the cover is put on. The current Lock touchscreen... option leaves the screen iluminating the inside of my pocket, and Soft Poweroff hack doesn't disable WiFi/BT. Also, I want to avoid using the Power button to instigate the cover- on event as the Power button is not designed for regular use. To this end I've raised bug #943 (https://maemo.org/bugzilla/ show_bug.cgi?id=943) but it seems the Nokia devs (or is it Nokia marketing?) are pretty hard core about telling us how *we* should be using *our* new friend, so I'm not entirely sure where this will get us. :( Absolutely nowhere would be my guess. I raised two bugs in december 2005 about the email app and they're still not fixed. Considering one of them renders the mail app unusable (message removal from another system is not recognised by the app) I'd say your chances of getting a fix are close to none. Andy ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] email application Error occurred
I reported a bug in bugzilla about exactly this problem. The developer tested it using a trial IMAP account (on Apple's .Mac service) and was unable to reproduce the problem so my bug has been closed. Apparently it is resolved in a later build but I have said I will reopen the bug if I find it isn't fixed. Andy - Original message - From: Erik Bågfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: maemo-users maemo-users@maemo.org Sent: Thu 15 Dec 2005 11:07:03 GMT Subject: [maemo-users] email application "Error occurred" Hi. The email application worked fine (well, it worked) for me yesterday. Today it dies with "Error occurred" as soon as it needs to check email. If I empty my mailbox, it works, but as soon as there is a mail in it, this happens. Has anyone else seen this? Anyone know why this happens? Will the source code to the email app be released? I started to try to port sylpheed to maemo yesterday and it definitely seems to be possible, but I'd rather solve the problem in the real email app instead! Regards, Erik Attachment: ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] email application Error occurred
Nope, it supports both. Andy - Original message - From: Andrew Diller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andy Mulhearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Erik Bågfors [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-users maemo-users@maemo.org Sent: Thu 15 Dec 2005 14:03:15 GMT Subject: Re: [maemo-users] email application Error occurred On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Andy Mulhearn wrote: I reported a bug in bugzilla about exactly this problem. The developer tested it using a trial IMAP account (on Apple's .Mac service) and was unable to reproduce the problem so my bug has been closed. Apple's .Mac email service is POP only- so I don't know what he tested. -andy diller ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] email application Error occurred
I guess not, we have to wait for the release :( Andy On Thursday, December 15, 2005, at 10:23PM, Erik Bågfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Attached Is that later build something that I can get to? I really need it. /Erik tor 2005-12-15 klockan 12:53 + skrev Andy Mulhearn: I reported a bug in bugzilla about exactly this problem. The developer tested it using a trial IMAP account (on Apple's .Mac service) and was unable to reproduce the problem so my bug has been closed. Apparently it is resolved in a later build but I have said I will reopen the bug if I find it isn't fixed. Andy - Original message - From: Erik Bgfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: maemo-users maemo-users@maemo.org Sent: Thu 15 Dec 2005 11:07:03 GMT Subject: [maemo-users] email application Error occurred Hi. The email application worked fine (well, it worked) for me yesterday. Today it dies with Error occurred as soon as it needs to check email. If I empty my mailbox, it works, but as soon as there is a mail in it, this happens. Has anyone else seen this? Anyone know why this happens? Will the source code to the email app be released? I started to try to port sylpheed to maemo yesterday and it definitely seems to be possible, but I'd rather solve the problem in the real email app instead! Regards, Erik Attachment: ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
