Re: Any news on N9 release?
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:41, Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr wrote: As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et al aren't actually running a Linux kernel. Linux kernel is only half the story. If I understood the explanation given to me some time ago, Android is very restricted in the sense of the APIs available to the developer. You don´t have X11 or other things you expect on a Linux system, at least without deeply hacking into it which most end-user consumers won´t do. Just my $0.02 FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nxxx camera etc.
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 00:20, Demetris demet...@ece.neu.edu wrote: is there a Java API to access the tablet's camera and/or stream video? you might want to ask the authors of Jitsi, a Java based SIP and XMPP client capable of doing voice calls and videoconference. www.jitsi.org Look for the Jitsi-developers mailing list. There´s the best knowledge you can get for Java APIs and accesing webcams. :) (Although I believe they use JNI and FFMPEG for some of the codecs) Just my $0.02 FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Does the 770 support usb host mode?
I really would like to purchase an extra Nokia tablet or two, to connect them over wired ethernet. The general idea is to use an usb-ethernet adapter wired to the Nxx miniUSB port, and enable host mode. Then I´d run a general Linux distro on it, if possible (otherwise OS2008). Is this (USB host mode) supported on the 770?. What about booting Debian?. Sorry for the question, but I only own a N800... Thanks FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Tagging mp4/m4a music files for N900
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a large collection of mp4 music files that were taged with nokiatagger [1] for use on my N95. These files play on the N900 (when renamed to m4a, see bug 8846) but the tags are not read. I tried tagging the files with EasyTag [2] which apparently uses the MP4-AAC tag format, but then the files cannot be played by the N900 at all. What tag format does N900 use for mp4/m4a music files, if any? Is there any existing tagging program that supports it? Paul, MP3 files use ID3 tags (or ID3v2). MP4/M4A files use either proprietary Applet tags A ´t´ somehow slipped there. I mean Proprietary Apple tags FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
MeeGo code coming in March, will run on Atom boards and N900
FYI... http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/meego-code-coming-in-march-will-run-on-atom-boards-and-n900.ars ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Java for Maemo 5?
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com wrote: I installed Sun's Embedded Java 1.6.0_10 when I first got my N900 back in December. I managed to get java applications to run, but didn't have any luck with java applets in a browser. If I spent more time, I suspect there may be ways to get it to work. Aldon That´s because you´re missing the Java _plug-in_. See, Java is two things. A virtual machine (VM) or JRE (runtime environment). That allows running desktop java applications. And then there´s the Java plug-in, a single file that´s installed in the browser and acts as interface between the browser and the Java runtime. In your desktop PC, open Firefox, then type about:plugins in the URL entry field. You´ll notice: Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U16 File name: npjp2.dll Next Generation Java Plug-in 1.6.0_16 for Mozilla browsers Well, that single DLL is the Java plug-in. I bet there´s no plug-in for Maemo browsers, and that´s it. If that´s the case, then it´s the same situation that happened with 64-bit Linux, which had a Sun JRE; but not a browser plug-in, for years. http://bitbud.com/tag/java-64bit-jre-firefox-proxmox/ FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Hartti Suomela har...@gmail.com wrote: There is a brainstrom on this http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/call_recording/ and a related talk.maemo.org discussion thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33296 on page 5 there are some instructions on how to do this from command line. I am not aware of an app for this yet Hartti And while Nokia brainstorms, the venerable old Palm OS has had one for years... http://www.mrgadget.com.au/gadget/2009/how-to-record-telephone-conversations-on-your-palm/ http://mobilesoftware.mrgadget.com.au/product.asp?id=1962n=CallRec Sorry, coudn´t resist... I still think a Linux based OS with backwards PalmOS compatibility would have been superb. Too bad Nokia doesn´t have the vision to snap Access Software as its Japanese management seems doomed FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: It literally took the Palm YEARS to get a call recorder. It took the N900 weeks (days :-) to get a call recorder - dictaphone - FM radio recorder - Internet radio recorder - Flash TV recorder, in AAC 128 kbps Stereo :-) Happy hacking - the N900 rocks! -Tom Has anyone managed to install the Garnet VM beta 5 on the N900?. I'm just curious if it works, as the Access Software page only mentions N800 and N810 tablets... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Facebook app is just a commercial after update
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I see that this tweaks the image app and enhace it with facebook on the service space. I was thinking more of a an actual facebook client like the ones on blackberry and Iphone which are different from the N900 widget. For example I cant send msg to facebook from the widget, nor post on my friends wall's. But I guess this is good enough. If you don't want to use the normal Facebook site you can also try these more mobile-friendly versions: http://touch.facebook.com/ http://m.facebook.com/ Or you could attempt to download and install the Garnet OS VM for Maemo (latest is beta5 dated December 2009, I think) from the access software web page and then install the Facebook client for Palm OS on the N900... see how /if it works. :) (I don´t have a N900 to test, just a N800). FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 without a SIM card
2010/1/11 Alejandro López listas@googlemail.com: Hi all, I'm considering buying one, but I'm not interested in using it as a phone, so I plan to put no SIM card. Some time ago I read on this same list that the N900 had some problems when no SIM card was inserted but I can't find that mail. Is this problem still true? Is there a fix planned? What exactly is not working? Thanks. Alejandro. Are you sure you can´t get a SIM card? ANY SIM card?. Down here in Argentina, you can have a cheap pay-as-you-go mobile phone line, where you buy and load credit for it wiith $15 cards you buy everywhere. Those lines often feature voice service, but no data plans. AND they come with a SIM card. The cost of getting one of those phone lines is next to nothing*, as the business for the telcos is selling you credit (the price-per-minute ends up beying sky-high but you´re not interested in that). Just get one of those phone lines with the cheapest possible phone, then swap the SIM card with the N900. Bingo, you have a sim card on your N900. *Down here the cheaoest is often the Motorola F3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_FONE_F3 According to its very low price (starting from 20 to 30 €/$) the F3/F3c is mainly sold with prepaid (pay-as-you-go) SIM cards n Brazil, this phone (without SIM-lock) is sold for BRL 99.00 as of February 2008 (approx. USD 57.00) In the UK, this phone is being sold by Home Bargains (as of 29/04/2008) and £-Stretcher (as of 07/06/2008) with a Virgin Mobile SIM (T-Mobile network) for £7.99 FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Slow writes from linux to N900 in USB Mass Storage Mode
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr wrote: I don't think LKML will appreciate debugging a problem in a kernel with closed-source components. I don´t think what you say matters, at all. Let´s post the problem first, see what happens later, when/if it happens. AFAIK Nokia complies with the GPL and provides kernel source code. http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: New N900 user - Few ideas...
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Craig Woodward wo...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Most of the major bugs (issues) I've had involve the GPS/Mapping system. It's the one area that's just majorly lacking. My biggest issue is that the GPS startup has major issues. When enabled without Network Positioning turned on it almost never gets a lock before the requesting app (Ovi, camera, OmWeather) gives up. On a few occasions I've had it tell me I was somewhere in Spain, which I'm guessing is how an error-ed return is being interpreted. I have a Palm Centro, and using Google Maps with my location (triangulation of position based on GSM tower signal levels) I routinely get I´m near the Nairobi General Hospital, in Africa, when in fact I´m in the middle of Buenos Aires, Argentina, South America. :) I think this has to do with the names given to cell towers by the phone co. When the phone can only see one tower, and if that tower name has been used elsewhere, the map tells you the first instance of that name that it can find in its database. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Can´t believe N900 doesn´t support 850/1900 UM TS...
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: N900 doesn't have variations, every device has similar frequencies. Ossipena There is nothing else to do except wait Wait for what? A version with updated radio?. I think that might happen sooner than the government auctioning the 2100 Mhz band for WCDMA/UMTS... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Can´t believe N900 doesn´t support 850/1900 UM TS...
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: Wait for what? A version with updated radio?. I think that might happen sooner than the government auctioning the 2100 Mhz band for WCDMA/UMTS... FC Wait for something to happend to the situation. Aka hope for the best from n900's successor or frequency changes to 3g network. There is nothing more to do. This is unfortunate but everybody in the world can't be pleased because there are so many standards etc. Ossipena Well, at least RIM did something.. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/02/26/rim-releases-a-quad-band-3g-bold-in-japan/ the Japanese Bold that went on sale over the weekend is a quad-band 3G device containing the 2100, 1900, 850 and 800 MHz bands of UMTS/HSDPA FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Dream of the Daily Mail It is the Holy Grail And then the BBC Your life would be complete -Manic Street Preachers, Royal Correspondent ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Can´t believe N900 doesn´t support 850/1900 UM TS...
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: Wait for what? A version with updated radio?. I think that might happen sooner than the government auctioning the 2100 Mhz band for WCDMA/UMTS... FC Wait for something to happend to the situation. Aka hope for the best from n900's successor or frequency changes to 3g network. There is nothing more to do. This is unfortunate but everybody in the world can't be pleased because there are so many standards etc. Ossipena Well, at least RIM did something.. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/02/26/rim-releases-a-quad-band-3g-bold-in-japan/ the Japanese Bold that went on sale over the weekend is a quad-band 3G device containing the 2100, 1900, 850 and 800 MHz bands of UMTS/HSDPA Another one, this one from Nokia. I couldn´t have said things better myself: It’s good to see Nokia (NYSE: NOKhttp://finance.intomobile.com/intomobile?Page=QUOTETicker=NOK) finally making true world phones. By this I mean a single device that sings on both 900/2100MHz and 850/1900 MHz, used in Europe/Asia and North America, respectively. On that note, the Nokia N97 mini has been spotted at the FCChttps://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=ExhibitsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=375667fcc_id=%27QVVRM-553%27with a quad-band 3G radio, meaning you’ll be able to use it both in the U.S. and Europe, which is cool. You know rest of the mini’s specs, so I won’t repeat them here. I’ll only add that I’m hoping this will be the Finnish giant’s practice for all high-end devices in the future. No one wants to have a special phone when travelling, right? http://www.intomobile.com/2009/09/29/nokia-n97-mini-with-quad-band-3g-radio-is-at-the-fcc.html FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Can´t believe N900 doesn´t support 850/1900 UM TS...
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just pissed off about this iwannahaveallandifidontgetitinthreesecondsiwillbeverypissedandwriteangryblognotesandtrollatforumsandcallcompanyxxxnames -attitude. I bet quad band were left out because there was no time to get it working at the first place and it probably will be added to successors..(atleast if there are good experiences from n97 minis implementation) Ossipena Getting it to work on a given geographical region is not featuritis (I want this and that and that too). As Jamie Zawinsky once said about software Shipping is a feature. Your product should have it. I agree. But also getting it to work on all frequencies is a feature, your phone should have it. ;-) I bet it comes down to the radio chipset used. The little I know about smartphones, the radio part is more or less an isolated section. The manufacturer can choose which radio chipset to use. Of course, multi-band radios cost more. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Can´t believe N900 doesn´t support 850/1900 UMTS.. .
Sheesh, I was ready to order the N900 but then I found it only supports WCDMA at 900-1800-2100. Down here in Argentina 3G uses 850 and 1900 Mhz. Was it too difficult for Nokia to include worldwide 3G compatibility? Oh well... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: IDEA: make N800 emulate a USB CD-ROM, possible? yes/no?
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Frantisek Dufka duf...@seznam.cz wrote: Frantisek Dufka wrote: It shouldn't be too hard to backport it to 2.6.21 (OS2008) or .18 (OS2007) kernel. The specific diff is here http://tinyurl.com/nn92vn Did the last step too. Here is patched kernel module for OS2008/diablo http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/g_file_storage.ko. No idea whether it works or not. Quickest way to try is to check how it is done in /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-*.sh scripts and add 'cdrom' to insmod line and point it to iso image instead of mmc card. Frantisek EXCELLENT Fran, thanks !!! I´ll take a look at this later this week. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
IDEA: make N800 emulate a USB CD-ROM, possible? yes/no?
Hi there, Once upon a while, I have a crazy idea and this time I think this one is good... Here´s it: create some software that would make the N800 impersonate a USB CD-ROM. I really really really hate having to burn CDs and DVD-Rs to test new linux versions. If I could just download the ISO images to from my N800 and then enable some software that takes control of the USB port and impersonates a CD-ROM accesing the contents of .iso (iso 9660) images on one of the SD cards, it would be GREAT There is a Palm OS software that is VERY close to what I want: Softick Card Export for Palm OS... it takes control of the Treo / Centro USB port and fakes a USB MASS STORAGE (pen drive, thumb drive, card reader call it whatever you want) to the PC connected to it, so the PC side thinks it has a pen drive plugged in, while in fact it´s a virtual USB Mass Storage device done in software on the PalmOS side, which reads contents of internal memory and maps it as a usb drive. Of course this ovverrides the USB device ID sent by the Palm OS (otherwise the PC side detects it as what it is, a phone). Well, I envision a Nxx piece of software could do the same mounting iso9660 cd images and faking a USB CD/DVD-rom unit to the USB side. How difficult would it be to implement this? any volunteers?. FC -- Dream of the Daily Mail It is the Holy Grail And then the BBC Your life would be complete -Manic Street Preachers, Royal Correspondent ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: IDEA: make N800 emulate a USB CD-ROM, possible? yes/no?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Gary g...@eyetraxx.net wrote: Fernando Cassia wrote: I really really really hate having to burn CDs and DVD-Rs to test new linux versions. If I could just download the ISO images to from my N800 and then enable some software Assuming the maemo kernel includes support for ISO9660 and loopback devices, one could just 'mount file.iso /path -t iso9660 -o loop'. Someone else here would have to confirm or deny if it's supported by the stock kernel. q.v. the emelFM2 file manager with IsoMount: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20809 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2 http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/emelfm2/EmelInfo.htm -Gary Gary: that would be half the story. You´re missing the point, and the most important part of my idea: creating a piece of software on the N800 that takes control of the USB port and impersonates a USB CD-ROM device, so you can just mount a Iso9660 image, run the software, and then plug the N800 to a PC and have the PC bios boot from the USB CD-ROM when in fact data is being sent from the n800 reading from a iso9660 file on one of the sd cards. In fact, mounting the iso9660 on the N800-Linux side is not even needed. What is needed is the code to make the N800 appear to the USB bus as a USB CD-rom, and then read contents from the iso image and send those as cd blocks of data down the usb wire. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: IDEA: make N800 emulate a USB CD-ROM, possible? yes/no?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Wayne Fiori dev9n...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't this: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ be an easier solution? -- =Wayne No it won´t. I have several old systems that do not recognize pen drives but do boot from USB CD-ROMs... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Peter Flynn peter.fl...@mars.ucc.iewrote: [Java not only a language but a platform] Thats part of Suns stupid marketing strategy. Its a language and a platform. C++ is a language. QT is a platform. Oh hell, according to the marketing Java is an OS as well. It's a language. There are platforms and OS-like applications built with it, but it's a language. No, you´re wrong. It´s a platform AND a language. In fact in the Java 1.x days Sun CLEARLY promoted it like that. Then the language jihad got over and the platform issue mostly disappeared from marketing. But it´s STILL a platform. You can write code in Python or Ruby and run it in the java platform thanks to Jython and JRuby. H*ck, you can even use IBM´s Netrexx and write Rexx code and end up with Java bytecode... Both GTK and QT are plattforms which are just as powerfull as Java. The need for Java on Maemo is pretty limited. Possibly, but essential in my case. It's a deal-breaker: no Java means I can't do my work, which requires several applications currently requiring Java. If Java isn't available for the N900, I won't buy it, and nor will any of my colleagues in the same business, several of whom bought N8*0s after seeing mine do what it does. Exactly my point. Nokia has a LOT to win by shipping the device with a Sun Java VM preinstalled. But they won´t listen, I´ve been saying this to anybody that would hear -both at Nokia and elsehwere- but it seems to me they´re too cozy with MSFT now... Ironically, Symbian has better Java support than Maemo... http://developer.symbian.com/main/documentation/runtime_environments/java/ Of course, that´s because that decision was made a lot of time before the current Nokia-MSFT honeymoon. I bet they´d drop Java support from Symbian if they could. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Demetris demet...@ece.neu.edu wrote: Hi all, I setting off to program j2me-cdc code for the N800 for a little bit now. I am running the CVM phoneme_advanced_mr2-b18 (mixed mode) for runtime up this point. But this is a release that came about back in early 2007 and I have not seen anything after that geared towards the N800. Can someone tell me if they know the following? 1. where I can find a newer version of j2me-cdc for the N800 2. documentation on the device's hardware that I have not been able to locate 3. is maemo the only software architecture for this device? 4. has anyone been able to deploy web services on such a device (either through osgi containers or any other container)? Thanks very much in advance Demetris I share your grief and pain. But sadly, the situation with regards to Nokia's devices Nxx devices and Java borders the ridiculous. It could be summed up as abandon all (Java) hope ye who enters here. Nokia won't help you or me. Nokia is not interested in Java on the Nxx devices. Nokia is Java-hostile for all we care. You'll be told here by people whom know more than you and me that java is bloated, that the Nxx are underpowered to run Java apps (even Java ME which millions of phones run around the world), and that it's not worth it. The conspiracy theorist in me would like to think that in one of those several (some very recent) instances where Nokia got in bed with the Evil Empire of Redmondia, downplaying or de-emphasizing Java must have been on the table (or bed). Microsoft and Nokia get together on Silverlight http://scobleizer.com/2008/03/04/microsoft-and-nokia-get-together-on-silverlight/ Microsoft and Nokia bringing mobile office to Symbian http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/microsoft-and-nokia-bringing-office-to-symbian-next-year.ars Nokia to deliver Windows 7 netbook http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/08/25/nokia-to-deliver-windows-7-powered-netbook-with-12-hours-of-battery-life.aspx I call it following the path of IBM's Lotus when it helped Microsoft get NT into thousands of corporations by supporting Notes on Windows platforms first, and IBM's own OSs later, or Palm shipping Windows Mobile devices. You can't support a company that wants to see you six feet under ground. Imagine if Nokia had invested its time and money in advancing Mobile OpenOffice to Symbian and other OSs... But I digress What I see is a company that lost its soul, and deserves to sink under. In other words, no vision, just shareholders screaming for short term profits at all costs. They call it pragmatism now... http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/switched-on-microsoft-and-nokia-trade-posturing-for-pragmatism/ ... I call it Nokia's management in the pocket of Bill Gates... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.comwrote: Hi Fernando, there's Jalimo https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo for Java on Maemo, but I don't know how actively it is maintained... On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Demetris wrote: The conspiracy theorist in me would like to think that in one of those several (some very recent) instances where Nokia got in bed with the Evil Empire of Redmondia This is the point where I realized that I will waste my time by continuing reading your troll posting. I'm not a troll. Trolls enter mailing lists to discourage use of a given product. I like my N800 and I'd buy a N900 if I had the money. I want to see Nokia succeed and beat Microsoft's software monoculture with Open Source. I just don't like to see it commit suicide like so many other IT companies in the past that think they can win a short-term edge by partnering with the IT industry's biggest monopolist. A convicted one, repeatedly, on several jurisdictions. In contrast to you, some companies out there might not have unlimited human and financial resources to officially support every single computer language (like Java) that you currently favor. It's not only a language: it's a platform. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Syren Baran sba...@gmx.de wrote: Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 18:43 -0300 schrieb Fernando Cassia: The need for Java on Maemo is pretty limited. No, I want to be able to run Google's Java ME Gmail Java app for mobiles on the Nxx. It's much nicer than IMAP and better than using the AJAX interface... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kenneth Loafmankenn...@loafman.com wrote: that would be awesome! Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows? ...Ken It's the IBM OS/2 story all over again a company that doesn't have faith in its own OS is a company doomed to FAIL in the software space. In the case of IBM, you had a division (IBM Software) with an excellent piece of software (32-bit OS/2 2.x - Warp 3.x-4.x) and the rest of the company in bed with Microsoft (specially the IBM PC Co. and Lotus in charge of fake war hero Jeff Papows). So the first battle IBM software had to do was convincing the rest of the company on the virtues of its software. In the case of Nokia, you have a good OS (Maemo) that could run across the whole range of the firms' devices, yet the top managers and the rest of the company are not sold on the virtues of having its own OS, much less on the faith in open source software. Do you see Microsoft isntalling a non-Microsoft OS on its systems? NO. Do you see Apple vouching the ease of use virtues of Windwows Vista or Seven? NO. Yet, we do see the likes of Palm shipping Windows Mobile devices and Nokia shipping a Windows based Netbook. That speaks volumes about the fath of Nokia on its own OS's merits Market share my *ss. If it was for market share alone Apple would be selling Windows systems... and Sun Microsystems would be promoting Windows Server instead of OpenSolaris... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia netbook
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Gadsbystephen.gad...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft hires an advertising firm, surely. Showing they'll use an appropriate tool for a job and not kill themselves with NIH. My point in the end was that one of the several reasons of microsoft's market dominance is that WINDOWS is their internal software religion Everything they do is aimed at increasing Windows' market share. I wish other firms realized that and stopped giving Microsoft a hand by shipping Windows-based devices... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Eugene Antimirov tur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I'm sure all of you are eager to look at the newest N900. Here is the first review of the device by Eldar Murtazin, Russian mobile columnist. In English - http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml Russian version - http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900.shtml Looks very exciting. I remember telling on this very same list that what killed the Nxx tablet series was basically that it lacked a GSM radio, in other words, a phone. Hence the device didn't fit Nokia's product line, as the phone guys saw it as an odd device not a real phone and comparisons with UMPC were unfair. One question comes to mind any idea of the amount of RAM in this device?. That would affect what kind of software we can run on it. And I'm still hoping to see Java / JavaFX on these devices sooner rather than later, despite's Nokia's dealings with the Evil Empire of Redmondia... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: Good luck with that. The processing power on these things is deliberately modest, at least partly because there is a very valid power conservation issue, and Java can be sluggish even on a fast PC. This is a myth. I've run Java apps on ARM CPUs since I first used the HomePod internet radio/mp3 player FIVE YEARS ago. Heck, PalmOS on my Palm Centro with the IBM J9 VM runs Java ME apps just fine, including the GMail Java client. The Centro runs a ~ 300Mhz ARM9 based CPU. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Fernando Cassiafcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: Good luck with that. The processing power on these things is deliberately modest, at least partly because there is a very valid power conservation issue, and Java can be sluggish even on a fast PC. This is a myth. I've run Java apps on ARM CPUs since I first used the HomePod internet radio/mp3 player FIVE YEARS ago. Heck, PalmOS on my Palm Centro with the IBM J9 VM runs Java ME apps just fine, including the GMail Java client. The Centro runs a ~ 300Mhz ARM9 based CPU. FC As with anything, it depends on the app. Sure, small, light apps designed for cellphones will run on anything. But real Java apps are quite different. I can assure you that the Java apps that run sluggishly on my current desktop workstation will not even begin to run on your Centro. That also goes for a lot of general Web content that is not specifically designed for phones. Mark I was thinking Java ME and JavaFX Mobile. Both of which are designed to run on smartphones. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Skype or Gizmo
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:14 AM, COURTAUD Didierdidier.court...@cea.fr wrote: Hi all I would want to configure my N810 tablet pour SIP calls. But i wonder what is the best SIP client : Skype or Gizmo ? In terms of usability, openness and ... free ? Thanks by advance for your answers DC _ DC: Skype doesn't do SIP, AFAIK. Skype uses its own proprietary protocol, that lets you connect to other Skype users or phones through the Skype gateway. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Abiword
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Peter Flynn peter.fl...@mars.ucc.ie wrote: My updater icon flashed yesterday and it turned out to be Abiword. Amazing. The new version fixes the scrolling bug on the N800, and adds a sheaf of new file formats supports, including .docx Serious congratulations to them all. ///Peter Great!. Maybe Abiworth is worth another look then. Where you installed it from?. I´ll have to dust off my N800. I don´t even remember if I have it configured for third party repositories. Also, is OS2008 still the last version? Or is an OS2009 in the pipeline?. The Java situation is the same? (no Java, not even OpenJDK?). FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Mark wrote: All flavors of Windows since 3.11 came with telnet pre-installed. My Psion Series 5 (circa 1997) had telnet out of the box, and it certainly doesn't have anything like the storage or any other resources the ITs have. Are you sure it was in Windows 3.11? That was before MS embraced the internet, with W95. Windows 3.1 had no TCP/IP stack whatsoever. People used to install Trumpet Winsock to get on-line. Back then the first x86 desktop OS to be released which included a TCP/IP stack and web browser was IBM OS/2 Warp 3.0, released in 1994. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, sometimes I *don't* care about sending my credentials in plaintext, because there's no possibility of anyone using them against me in any way that matters. I just don't use credentials that I use anywhere else. In fact, that can be a *good* thing, as in misdirection... I can lug my wallet around in a safe if I'm that paranoid, but personally I think I have bigger things to worry about than my wallet if I'm being mugged, and someone can still take the whole safe and crack it at their leisure. Overkill is overkill, and paranoia is seldom useful. I can understand being careful about preventing ID theft/fraud (I am myself), but being paranoid about every little thing is absurd. I mean, really, why do you care if somebody reads your emails or overhears your conversations, unless you're doing something you shouldn't? There's a big difference between being reasonably careful and being paranoid. And if you live somewhere that you're being oppressed for things that are perfectly acceptable, that's you're fault. You have options: either take an active role in changing things, or move somewhere else. Bitching, moaning and complaining to people who can't do anything about it and being paranoid all the time isn't going to solve anything and in fact only makes things worse. Mark, I will print your comment, frame it, and hang it on the wall. Just to have it ready to be copied the next time I run into one of those security zealots with cold war mindset. Kudos for the common sense. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Mark wrote: All flavors of Windows since 3.11 came with telnet pre-installed. My Psion Series 5 (circa 1997) had telnet out of the box, and it certainly doesn't have anything like the storage or any other resources the ITs have. Are you sure it was in Windows 3.11? That was before MS embraced the internet, with W95. Windows 3.1 had no TCP/IP stack whatsoever. People used to install Trumpet Winsock to get on-line. Back then the first x86 desktop OS to be released which included a TCP/IP stack and web browser was IBM OS/2 Warp 3.0, released in 1994. FC Not quite right. I had Windows for Workgroups, version 3.11 (as opposed to 3.1), which was obviously intended for network/Internet use and had additional components. I didn't have to install anything extra beyond the Workgroup extras. I do recall later having to do some troubleshooting that involved delving into Trumpet Winsock, but that was long after I was online. Windows 3.0 had no winsock out of the box, but it was available. Sorry, I missed the 3.11 in your statement. Yet, I assumed, and continue to think that WfW (which we in the Team OS/2 referred to as Windows for Warehouses) included only NETBIOS/Netbeui/IPX protocols as the base for Peer to peer LAN networking (printer sharing, disk sharing), but not TCP/IP. Where to get TCP/IP for WfW 3.11 ? http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/1998-July/007965.html http://stason.org/TULARC/os/windows-winsock/11-Microsoft-TCP-IP-32.html This is Microsoft's stack for use with Windows NT or Windows for Workgroups 3.11. Unfortunately, this stack does NOT support dialup connections. Free for owners of Windows NT or Windows for Workgroups. Available from: ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/peropsys/windows/Public/tcpip/; Download TCP/IP for Windows 3.11b http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;99891 FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009, Mark wrote: Sigh... would you please read the references before relying on your memory? NetBIOS/NetBEUI was included in the *basic* Windows 3.1; WFW 3.11 added features, including Winsock. Actually, the link you gave specifically says that WfW 3.11 shipped without TCP/IP support. So I WAS RIGHT!. I win. GRIN ;-) Now let's please return to the regular Nokia grilling. :-) FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:26 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Any reason why you're using telnet instead of ssh? Ssh has many advantages over telnet. I've had this argument before in the Neuros OSD (LInux based PVR) mailing list. Basically, the security argument is ridiculous. Most pocket devices do not have CPU cycles to spare like a desktop. Thus, it's kinda ridiculous to do 3DES encryption to log-in to a local router or network device in the local LAN. If you can't trust your local home LAN, then you have biggest problems to begin with. So YES, Telnet is very useful for me to use on my home LAN with network centric devices (Axis print server, Intel InBusiness storage station, Maxtor NAS) that have telnet but no SSH available. Just my $0.02. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N8xx ponderings
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:21 PM, lakestevensdental lakestevensden...@verizon.net wrote: After using a variety of small internet communication/computing devices, (n800, n810, netbook-eee PC on Xandros, Ubuntu and now XP, plus and Ipod Touch), I've come to some conclusions that might be worth sharing. 1. None of these devices is a truly one size fits all solution for small computing/communication needs. They've all got strengths and weaknesses. 2. For 'serious' portable use, an XP netbook is great. Good browsing, media player, typing, etc. It's limits are with casual use -- you can't carry it in your pocket and you've got to be sitting up in bed to use it. Nothing that a Dell Mini 9 with Ubuntu can't do with VLC,MPlayer, and OpenOffice.org 3.0.1 :) It's no wonder 30% of current Netbooks are selling with Linux and increasingly threatening Microsoft´s dominant position... http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_layoffs_netbooks_sales_are_killing_us Just my $0.02 FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, OgnenD og...@naniteworld.com wrote: Not even going to comment. I think you need to re-read your email and reflect on your communication skills. Pretty uncivilized, in my opinion. Thanks, Ognen Ognen, OK I apologize. I didn´t know you had a CS degree and knew the difference between RISC and CISC CPUs, by reading your original comment, it seemed you had little clue about the technical differences between a Netbook and a N8xx internet tablet. Perhaps I get emotional after the messages like I will never buy a Nokia product again from people who act with outrage as if someone sold them a faulty item that breaks in a millon pieces in the first week of use. The device is a 300+ Mhz ARM PDA-like device with Wi-Fi and with an open software stack, which runs a Mozilla derivative browser and can run plenty of Linux software. It also comes with a decent selection of proprietary software like Skype... Then people come here and complain like stabbeds pigs saying their Asus EEE running WinXP provides more functionality and that hence, Internet Tablets suck and are doomed. That smells like trolling to me. It's the non-Windows products that always get that kind of spontaneous criticism. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N8xx ponderings
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:19 PM, kenneth marken kemar...@broadpark.no wrote: Cedric Cellier wrote: funny then how more and more of the companies are dropping linux... I start to wonder if all these Asus/Acer/etc don't ship a Linux version first to obtain better OEM deal with microsoft later :-) would not be the first time, it also made microsoft keep xp alive longer (and attempt to make win7 a more lean os, from what i understand it works nicely on atom based netbooks). would not be the first time microsoft bends over backwards to keep linux out of a market. Heard of the Microsoft lawsuit against TomTom? Guess what operating system TomTom uses in some of its GPS units? Linux, you bet... http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl The real reason for TomTom Microsoft lawsuit http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=1953blogid=14 FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N8xx ponderings
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM, kenneth marken kemar...@broadpark.no wrote: iirc, when first launched the linux variant was the lowest spec-ed one, and the windows variants both came with rebates that made them as cheap or cheaper then the start out config of the linux one. March 1, 2009 Dell offers Ubuntu-loaded Mini 9 netbook for $199 http://www.cheaplaptops.org.uk/20090301/dell-offer-mini-9-netbook-for-just-199/ An upgrade to XP adds $100 to the price FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a great combination. A couple points: 1. Apple makes proprietary, closed solutions. Try to reverse engineer Apple´s firmware for compatibility reasons and you´ll see Apple lawyers coming to get you. 2. Apple makes expensive, not cheap, hardware. 3. Apple does not support Free Software in general (if you know any Apple software released under the GNU GPL Free Software license, let me know) that puts it at odds with the N8xx tablets Linux OS foundation. 4. Apple continues pretending Linux doesn´t exist (Quicktime for Linux, anyone). 5. Apple charges an arm and a leg for software upgrades 6. Apple doesn´t like people tinkering with its OS. 7. Apple is just a Microsoft with a sense of style. There´s plenty of not invented here syndrome, like Microsoft does with WMV, Apple does with Quicktime. Why not embrace OpenOffice.org? Not invented at Apple, so it must suck, right?. So please don´t. I wouldn´t buy any device from Apple corp. FC not do acquisitions and they have never been good at it. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * *GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GAWN, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM*** *Cisco Select Certified Partner and SMB Specialist | **Microsoft Small Business Specialist | Speakeasy Certified VOIP Partner | Linksys Authorized LVS Partner | Qualys Certified Qualysguard Specialist* * * (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (W) www.acadiasecure.com primary email address: jholmb...@acadiasecure.com mailto:jholmb...@acadiasecure.com backup email address: jholmb...@verizon.net mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: Ognen Duzlevski a écrit : Hello, I am curious to find out what people use their Nokias for. If anyone could share their usage patterns, it would be appreciated. Hello, I own a N770. a N800 and a N810. I use a Nokia 6600 Slide for call, SMS, photo, agenda and modem. I hope that the next internet Tablet will make the use of the phone obsolete. I alway carry the N810 with me. My usage is for: - Browsing the Internet, even if the amount of ads in more and more sites make it barely usable. I found hard to open a link in a new tab (I like to do so). Script execution should be stoppable easily from the interface because some site abuse of it and it's painful to wait the dialog that propose to stop the script. On reasonable sites, it work very well and make it a far more useful tool than the browsers of the phone. - Playing music. One of the task that work the best. - Taking notes using Maemopad+. I found the concept useful but need more work. Saving more than a dozen of nodes are too slow. I like the way it can save the result into HTML page. - Connecting to other computers with SSH to make remote work. For me this is the most productive feature of the N810. Having a xterm by default is sweet. - Reading PDF document. Very good result. I suggest to keep the last horizontal position of the page when passing one page to an other in zoom mode, because many documents have small font and large space on the left of the text. - I use MaemoMapper with the internet GPS when I don't have a bluetooth GPS with me. The result with the internal GPS is very frustrating comparing to the result with the external one in the same condition. Switching from the external to the internal GPS is absolutely a nightmare (sometime it work only after a full reboot). Using real map is an excellent feature of MaemoMapper with his ability to store them for reuse. I never success using point of interest. The auto-center mode is too easily to disable compared to to operation the enable it (require the menu or the keyboard). The GPS fix should be indicated into the GPS info box instead of a system message, because it can stay for long time (especially with the internal GPS). The AGPS should work out of the box. - Programming some python script. Sadly, i found no small code editor that is comfortable in text mode (vi is ok, but I am not a big fan of it). Too many of them use the CTRL key that it so painful to use, even with the toolbar in the xterm. I tested pygtkeditor but found it too slow as file get bigger. I hope that one day it would be possible to have a native GCC on the tablet, so I could program in C. - Transfer files from my phone using bluetooth. This work great and is very useful. - Transfer file with my computer using bluetooth work, but file browsing is not available. This require to use rsync or the SD card. I have tested to use the N810 as a USB storage, but I ended too often with a corrupted file system, so I don't use this feature any more. - Showing photos to others. This work and the images are
Re: sync with google calendar?
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Laura Conrad su...@laymusic.org wrote: I got the 810 bacause I was really satisfied with the 770 as an ebook reader and the 770 died. I was looking forward to having support for some of the other applications. Playing audio does work a lot better than it did on the 770, but since I hate headphones, I don't really use that a lot. The one PIM application that I was really hoping would work better was the calendar. It looks like ermina is supposed to do exactly what I want -- sync betewen google calendar and the local gpe calendar when connected and let you use the local calendar when not connected. Since someone got Thunderbird already working on Maemo http://blog.mozilla.com/dolske/2008/07/24/thunderbird-on-maemo/ it would be really really really nice to have the full Sunbird calendar built in the same way... http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ognen Duzlevski og...@naniteworld.com wrote: Hello, I am curious to find out what people use their Nokias for. If anyone could share their usage patterns, it would be appreciated. This is like asking what do peope use their bikes for? I bought one and can't find any use for it. Well if it's of no use for you, sell it. It's ridiculous to ask others for guidance, obviously if you haven't found a need for it, then you don't need it. I bought an N800 thinking that it was a very cool gadget (which it seems to be). However, I am having trouble justifying the expense to myself, even after a year of owning the thing. Another reason to sell it. Here is my list of complaints: It is too slow when browsing the net (compared to, for example, my Asus EEE or my laptop). Oh great, you are comparing an ultra low-power 320MHZ ARM CPU (RISC) vs a 1Ghz x86 CISC. Here's some learning for you to do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_instruction_set_computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture Then I thought I would use it as a glorified GPS unit so I spent more money and bought a bluetooth GPS unit for it. Well, if you're looking for cost-effictive, it's probably cheaper to buy a N810 with GPS on board. also difficult for me. Thus, I gave up. Next, Skype: I have tried to have a phone call or two over wireless, but with mixed luck, sometimes too slow, sometimes alright. ...and this is the fault of the device why?. It's like complaining about a car because a certain lane on a highway is too slow. So, all in all, what do people use their Nokias for and are they happy with the overall usability of the apps and their documentation? Or am I just being lazy and giving up easily? Yes. You should get a hobby or another distraction. Clearly the N800 is a very bad toy. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: And then, you may be able to sell that bike, but for only a tiny fraction of what you paid for it, which means any way you look at it you were ripped off. Telling somebody to just sell something that they paid hard-earned cash for and will have to take a huge loss on is callous and unrealistic. Especially when what they really want is for the thing to live up to its potential. Mark It seems to me that the user is complaining about Nokia when in fact he´s to blame for not doing proper homework before buying. Please let me know what are the points in Nokia´s sales literature that are false or promises that are not fulfilled. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Matt Emson mem...@interalpha.co.uk wrote: Um... showing my age here, but I almost killed myself by tripping over a Palm Pilot Pro serial cable... it broke. The serial cables were designed to be screwed in to the serial port. In the fight between my foot and the cable, the serial connector sheared off. Luckily, the device flew out of the cradle and landed on the carpet face up, else that would have been toast too. The serial cradles also didn't charge the device, though the Palm Pilot Pro use 2 x AAA batteries, so it wasn't hard to keep it running :-) Them was the days!! M Sorry I was thinking on the connection between the PDA and the cradle, not the cradle and the computer. And by the way, I was thinking about the Palm V... which DID charge it. My point was that it's possible to design a connector that makes a good contact, enough to charge a battery powered device, but which doesn't actually require to be inserted deep and tight. Better case in point: cordless phones... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM, hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: First I'd suspect the charger itself, it's power cable is quite thin and can break. Have you tried another charger? I've seen quite a few complaints about power cable damage on this forum over the years. -- hendrik Which shows newer is not always better... anyone remembers the good old PalmPilot cradles? Not only were those rock-solid, but also it was impossible to break any connectors by pulling hard or by tripping on wires it'd just unplug itself without any damage. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A bluetooth keyboard for $45 - StowAway Shasta for Blackberry (would it work?)
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Aaron Newcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the keyboard cam in today and I am writing this email with it now. It took me about 30 minutes to get working. You must download the binary tarball at http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#kbdd Then extract it, edit the btkbd.conf file, make the files executable, put the keyboard in discover mode then run btkbd. After that the keyboard should work. I am running this on Diablo. The script requires you to be root which is one drawback. Response seems pretty good. The / key is in a wierd place though. I can't comment on battery life yet. Let me knw if you have more questions. Excellent!. The only question that comes to mind is if all the software couldn't be just packaged into a nice .deb for easy installation by anyone without dropping to a shell. (Not that I care, but others aren't so fond of the CLI) Thanks for the reporting Aaron!. I hope I'm not bugging you but can you take a pic of the extended keyboard next to the N800 so I could see its relative size? (If you need web storage you could use http://pages.google.com while logged in to your GMail account, then upload the jpg there and get its URL). FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A bluetooth keyboard for $45 - StowAway Shasta for Blackberry (would it work?)
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not HID compatible so it needs additional software, see http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#kbdd It is the same one as HP iPAQ Bluetooth Foldable just with different key labels. The same one is also sold by MSI (google for MSI BK100). Thanks for the notice! I have it and it works fine for me Good to know. I'll order it, then... but I wouldn't recommend it to people who expect things to just work out of box. Well it should be a matter of insisting to Nokia that they add the serial profile Bluetooth keyboards to the base Maemo OS. The fact that there are several models that use the serial profile justifies it, IMHO. Also it drains battery relatively quickly when not in use so expect to change/charge batteries every few weeks Like I said I have an IR foldable keyboard from the same firm (StowAway) and there seems to be a contact already there, when you fold it closed the battery is apparently disconnected from the keyboard, look for a piece of metal near one of the hinges. Are you sure you shut it 100% closed when not in use?. Of course leaving it wide open and not folded will cause it to keep working. or put a piece of something between battery contacts (or remove them) when you are not using it for longer time. Frantisek This is a good advise for any battery-operated peripheral, but make sure you close it, then check again on battery drain when not in use. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A bluetooth keyboard for $45 - StowAway Shasta for Blackberry (would it work?)
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also it drains battery relatively quickly when not in use so expect to change/charge batteries every few weeks or put a piece of something between battery contacts (or remove them) when you are not using it for longer time. Frantisek From a product review: The keyboard does not include a power switch. It will automatically power off when not in use. One set of batteries should last as long as 3 months with typical use. Like I said... you are supposed to shut it closed when not in use... there's a contact there that disconnects the battery FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A bluetooth keyboard for $45 - StowAway Shasta for Blackberry (would it work?)
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fernando Cassia wrote: Like I said... you are supposed to shut it closed when not in use... there's a contact there that disconnects the battery This may be true for infrared one but the bluetooth one needs to retain pairing information. Once you disconnect battery pairing info is lost and you need to pair it again (pin is ). Frantisek I said disconnects the battery because that's what happens with the IR version. In the bluetooth version perhaps the same contact disconnects the RADIO which is the power-hungry element of any BT device. What I do know is what I read on reviews... the unit is supposed NOT TO waste battery operating when you fold it and close it. You still haven't told us if the behaviour you experienced was with the keyboard fully closed or if you left it standing in open position. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fennec vs MicroB
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone installed Fennec yet? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fennec/1.0a1/releasenotes/ http://osnews.com/print/20411/Fennec_Mobile_Browser_from_Mozilla Thanks for the pointer... I'm not surprised AT ALL to see them mention the N810 only. I wonder if there's ANYTHING that makes it NOT RUN on a N800. Or perhaps the Mozilla team is clueless about the platform? That doesn't surprise me either as the team that started Mozilla Minimo made the ugly choice of selecting Windows Mobile as their first target. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fennec vs MicroB
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suspects: Years ago, Nokia started a project to get a full linux device running gtk based apps, with matchbox window manager and gecko based browser. That's how minimo started, funded by a RD Nokia project. After months, Nokia decided to use Opera in its first linux/gtk/mb device, and the minimo team started on its windowsce version Sorry if that's the case, I never heard of that part of the story. When I complained/asked why they were targetting a platform which already had a decent built-in browser (ie if you buy a pocketPC with a Microsoft OS then it's expected you'd be happy with MSFT's solutions and Microsoft's own browser to begin with) instead of selecting a platform which had a good market share (at the time more than MSFT) like PalmOS, the answer I got was we selected WinCE because that's the OS we the developers are familiar with. Period. End of story. That are my thoughts., based in my experience in GPE and MB projects (in their early stages...) I do remember about the Nokia funding. Yeah it made very little sense to fund Mozilla then choose Opera. But corporations do those things... I'm getting used to it. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
A bluetooth keyboard for $45 - StowAway Shasta for Blackberry (would it work?)
I have been looking for Bluetooth keyboards for a long long time, and I noticed the prices range from ~$70 to $120. However, for the first time I see a bluetooth keyboard below the $50 mark. It's the Shasta foldable keyboard by StowAway (I own one of their old IR keyboard for PalmOS devices and it works very well). However, the Shasta is marketed specifically for the BlackBerry. I wonder... from a wireless protocol point of view... isn't a Bluetooth Keyboard just a wireless input device, I mean, generic of sorts, regardless of what plastic legs the device has to support a CrackBerry in vertical position?. Or if there anything Blackberry-specific about this keyboard? Anyone in the U.S. with a N800/N810 willing to take advantage of Amazon.com's money-back warranty (or willing to sell it on eBay later to recoup the cost if it doesn't work), care to test it with the Nokia N800/N810? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BYGGEY?ie=UTF8tag=mnmsprst-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=9325creativeASIN=B000BYGGEY I would buy it, but spending $50 (and not owning a BlackBerry nor wanting to -I'm happy with my Palm Centro) only to find later that it doesn't work is not my idea of fun, specially considering I have to pay reshipping to South America and import duties... Anyway... if anyone is curious, please checkout that $45 Bluetooth keyboard sounds enticing... but I'm not willing to buy it until someone report it works (or confirms my suspicion that all Bluetooth Keyboards are the same from a protocol/stack/drivers point of view). Thanks, FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A Race between the IPhone and the Nokia IT WE
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Tim Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think if there was flash on the cnet page the iphone would just skip it thus making the test easier for the iphone. I amazes me that a supposed educated tech review firm would miss this point entirely. I think they are just lame or they are slanted toward getting that next apple invite. Either way long live the NIT tim Apple always preteds Linux doesn't exist... so it's kinda natural that fans of the JesusPhone and the Church of Cupertino itself would like to enlighten the masses about the superiority of their proprietary OS and solutions compared to that other OS that doesn't exist. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Bug: LatAm region settings wrong
I've just realised that if I go to the Control panel and click on Language and Region, selecting Spanish (Latin America) both for Language and regional settings, gives me (after reboot) Decimal separator: . (dot) Thousands separator: , (comma) The reality is that these values are wrong. We use comma for decimals and the dot for thousands... ie Two thousand three hundred fifty four with 10 cents becomes 2.354,10 (I can only speak about South America, maybe the N800 values are OK for Mexico? dunno) FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Another annoyance: bluetooth icon disappears
To add to the debate, the Palm OS in the latest Palm Centro smarphones show a Bluetooth icon all the time, greyed when not active and Blue when active. You can click on it and easily turn bluetooth on/off. So simple! isn't it?. Apparently not for the Nokia mindset... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Unable to create network connection with Palm Centro after OS upgrade?
Sheesh!! I've got a N800 updated to the latest greatest OS about a month ago. I had it working just fine with Bluetooth networking to a Palm Centro which then connected to the Net over EDGE. Now I'm unable to recreate a working connection with the Centro!. The devices see each other and pair just right. The problem is that the connection attempts to be established then ends. Also, there used to be a friendly wizard of sorts in the previous OS which I'm now unable to find! GRR I remember I select packet data then I was asked for Country and operator and everything was set. Now in the latest Nokia OS that seems to be gone?. Can anyone confirm?? I'm in the middle of a conference now and badly NEED to use my N800 with a Bluetooth connection to the Centro. Typing full length articles on the Centro is next to impossible. Thanks, FC -- Dream of the Daily Mail It is the Holy Grail And then the BBC Your life would be complete -Manic Street Preachers, Royal Correspondent ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 RIP?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Denis Dimick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do wish I had the second card slot, however, I don't need the FM radio. I never use the GPS, did use it once when lost, so it's nice to have. Denis The extra $100 in the price is NOT nice to have and just kills the ability of the device to be used in home automation scenarios, where the N800 would have made a great fixed device. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N800 and Centro - solved
OK, found the problem with my internet connection on the N800 and pairing with the Centro. Here's how I solved it. 1. Erased the phone from the list of trusted devices. 2. Went into the Centro and changed its device name from Centro to PalmCentro 3. Stopped and re-started Bluetooth service 4. Found the N800 when looking for devices still showed the OLD NAME. I thought it was a bug on the Centro, no, it's a bug in Nokia's OS which apparently uses the cached name. THIS IS VERY CONFUSING and should be corrected. 5. When I paired with the new phone (which still showed the OLD name despite having changed it and even restarted bluetooth on the Palm), by entering the new keycode, it asked me if I wanted to use the phone as an internet connection. 6. That is apparently the ONLY way to invoke the Mobile Operator Wizard run in the N800 OS. 7. If you start from Connection Manager, there's no way I could fnd to fire the Mobile Operator Wizard. BZZT Wrong!, that's why I ended up creating connections that didn't work. Someone please translate this into a bug report. :o) Just my $0.02 FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 and Centro - solved
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: replying to myself, sorry, but it could also be the phone found in the same place. but that makes me wonder, did the centro correctly id itself as a phone? Yes, shows as: Device type: Phone Supported profiles: DUN, OPP Network Type: GSM/UMTS I was trying to create a new connection by doing this: 1. Click on the connections icon next to the battery status 2. Clicking on Connectivity Settings 3. Again on Connections and New. 4. In THAT SCREEN there is no easy way for a newbie to fire the Mobile Operators Wizard. That was my point. Clickin on Next only brings three options WLAN Packet Data and Data Call, with a fill it yourself approach IMHO there should be a button there (there's screen space available) to fire up the Mobile Operators Wizard. FC PS: I rarely use the keys. I click. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Another annoyance: bluetooth icon disappears
What is the reason for the Bluetooth icon to disappear when bluetooth is disabled? Is there any tweak/hack to make it REMAIN THERE? I want one-click access to turn Bluetooth on and off. It should stay dimmed or grayed, when bluetooth is not in use and bright when Bluetooth is enabled. Otherwise I have to go Start- Settings-Control Panel-Bluetooth-Bluetooth ON A real usability PITA FC PS: Sorry to discover all this now but I used the N800 as a wifi only device. I've only had a Bluetooth enabled phone for a month or two so this world of Bluetooth is new to me. :o) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Another annoyance: bluetooth icon disappears
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is a package (either on extra or somewhere on garage) that adds a bit of script and a icon in the extras part of the menu called switch on bt. it can be used to turn bluetooth both on and off... Thanks Kenneth! I appreciate it. [Note to Nokia: The availability of a third party package however doesn't fix the fact that the current approach is a usability disaster. :o)] FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 RIP?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:12:37AM -0600, Denis Dimick wrote: Jeff, The n800 has been discontinued, about a year ago. You may find one on e-bay, or just pick up the n810. The n810 is *not* an adequate replacement for the 800, just as the 800 is *not* an adequate replacement for the 810. I never got a word from Nokia as to wether it was discontinued or not. In fact, it's still available from Nokia UK's shopping site. I asked Nokia repeatedly, they wouldn't answer me. FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n810 and Active X
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Active X made it to the n810 yet? Impossible. Next question Not even Macs support ActiveX anymore after the death of IE or Mac. It's a dead technology,despite Microsoft's original dreams of challenging Java on the web it's not going anywhere outside intranets. It's insecure. Why would anyone want ActiveX on a mobile device anyway? FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n810 and Active X
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:21:52PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: how you'd *begin* to attempt to bring ActiveX controls to the N810. using Wine, maybe? You are aware that Wine is x86-only, right? Wine qemu or bochs, perhaps. It'd be so slow as to be unusable, and so no-one's going to be insane enough to write all the NSPlugin infrastructure necessary (are they?). Cheers, Andrew While we are at it, I want Bochs running OS/2 Warp Server, too. If possible inside a browser window. ;-) JOKE JOKE FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Can I run java on n810
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Jeff Treague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I run java on the n810. When I try to play games online off pogo.com. I need java to play and other sites are the same. If java dose not work on the n810. Are there places to play games online on the n810 and what are they. As far as I know there is a desktop java (J2SE) build for the Nokia tablets, but it allows you to run .jar java applications, not applets. What you want is a way to run java APPLETS inside a browser. That is currently not possible because Nokia has decided not to support Java and do a browser Java plug-in. A possible option would be for you to play Flash games, although I have found very few worth playing http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclientie=utf-8oe=utf-8q=flash+games The last option, and the most attractive imho, is using the Garnet OS Virtual Machine, http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ which is free, to basically run any PalmOS based game on the Nokia. There are VERY good PalmOS games, starting with the paid ones from Astraware http://www.astraware.com/palm/ See also http://www.freewarepalm.com/ and http://www.pocketgear.com/en_US/html/all_titles_list.jsp?categoryId=cat3880104_requestid=9729277sf=48190044currency= FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
