Re: [maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
I actually fnd the browser to be much more stable than on the 770 and aside from flash weakness is really quite good. Can't say I would not like to see a webkit adaptation like on my s60v3 phones though. Viewing in full screen very naturally displays the pages I visit. If we had a bit more horsepower under the hood, I'm sure the more complex ajax stuff would work better as well. On 2/1/07, Anuj Verma (Kevin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:56:31 +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: I use links, but would like to hear is minimo better than opera in base? > How it compare in ram and stability? Is there a package of elinks for N800, any url ? /kevin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users /maemo-users /maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:56:31 +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: > I use links, but would like to hear is minimo better than opera in base? > How it compare in ram and stability? Is there a package of elinks for N800, any url ? /kevin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:44:52 +, Neil MacLeod wrote: > Minimo is no longer being actively developed: > > http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/dougt/archives/017337.html > > DougT and the Mozilla Organisation apparently have big ideas for it's > replacement, something called "Mobile Companion", I can only hope it's > development is less shambolic than that of Minimo. > > I personally don't agree with their reasons for not continuing with Minimo > - it's pretty clear they were struggling to get it to work on the mobile > phone platform, however the Internet Tablet platform should be perfect for > Minimo. > > Antonio did a great job bringing Minimo to the 770, I wouldn't blame him > if he didn't continue though. > > It would be great if Nokia picked up the Minimo pieces, or ported their > S60 browser to the Internet Tablet thus breaking the dependency on > closed-source Opera. Even I'll like to jump on this thread and claim that my browsing experience on N800 did not came out to be any better using both either Minimo or Opera, then of my experience on Palm Zire72 device using Opera mini and default Palm browser. /kevin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
>I use Opera on the 770 and N800, mainly because Minimo is so far >from being finished. > >While Minimo works great with many sites, and is actually better on >some sites than Opera, Minimo is nowhere near a finished product and >is not usable as a "production" quality browser. I'd agree with that except IMHO Opera on the 770 is not production quality either. Hence my gripe about marketing an Internet tablet which does not have a decent web browser. It would be nice if they at least let Opera offer upgrades for it. I contacted Opera a few months ago about the issues in their browser and they said that they cannot / will not release upgrades as it is all tied up in the agreement with Nokia. Kind of annoying as they do release upgrades etc for windows (which is not open source of course). The last version of Minimo I tried crashed less often than Opera. Both do a reasonable job or rendering the web pages so they are readable/usable. Last time I checked Minimo couldn't use the zoom / full screen hardware buttons (I know that was being worked on) and didn't have flash. Minimo does have better support for DHTML / XML / XSLT etc. Minimo can be slow to load. Try the Adobe website in opera on the 770, is it not the slowest thing in the universe. I wonder whether the issue is that opera is trying to redesign the page to fit better on a small screen, however given the resolution of the 770 they should just not bother and perhaps it would go faster? Our first 800 has arrived, which we will no doubt be testing in the near future. Oops, meant to send this to the list: What i'd actually like to see is a port of webkit (http://webkit.org/) to the 770. An other team in Nokia has ported this to symbian (http://opensource.nokia.com/) and its used as the browser on the newer Nokia smart phones so its optimised for small platforms and is under active development as its used by Safari on the Mac, the aforementioned Symbian browser, and as the html renderer in kde amoung other things. In maemo svn there use to be (probably still is but a quick look and I couldn't find it) a browser wrapper which made mention of webkit I think. This may well make for a more lightweight but still opensource browser with good support for most things than the moz codebase. There's also the codebase called Web based on gtkhtml that Chris was working on http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/Web/ Peter Also since found this https://garage.maemo.org/projects/browser/ which is the code mentioned above. P ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
I use Opera on the 770 and N800, mainly because Minimo is so far from being finished. While Minimo works great with many sites, and is actually better on some sites than Opera, Minimo is nowhere near a finished product and is not usable as a "production" quality browser. I'd agree with that except IMHO Opera on the 770 is not production quality either. Hence my gripe about marketing an Internet tablet which does not have a decent web browser. It would be nice if they at least let Opera offer upgrades for it. I contacted Opera a few months ago about the issues in their browser and they said that they cannot / will not release upgrades as it is all tied up in the agreement with Nokia. Kind of annoying as they do release upgrades etc for windows (which is not open source of course). The last version of Minimo I tried crashed less often than Opera. Both do a reasonable job or rendering the web pages so they are readable/usable. Last time I checked Minimo couldn't use the zoom / full screen hardware buttons (I know that was being worked on) and didn't have flash. Minimo does have better support for DHTML / XML / XSLT etc. Minimo can be slow to load. Try the Adobe website in opera on the 770, is it not the slowest thing in the universe. I wonder whether the issue is that opera is trying to redesign the page to fit better on a small screen, however given the resolution of the 770 they should just not bother and perhaps it would go faster? Our first 800 has arrived, which we will no doubt be testing in the near future. Regards Simon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release Date: 31/01/2007 15:16 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
Zoran Kolic wrote: Antonio did a great job bringing Minimo to the 770, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't continue though. What do you use on 770: opera or minimo? I've tried built in opera and it must be set with swap enabled to work in a real time. Some sites ask to be seen in full graphic, for whatever reason. Zoran I use Opera on the 770 and N800, mainly because Minimo is so far from being finished. While Minimo works great with many sites, and is actually better on some sites than Opera, Minimo is nowhere near a finished product and is not usable as a "production" quality browser. With the December announcement by the main (only?) Minimo core developer it's now likely that Minimo will never be completed, which is a great shame. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
> Antonio did a great job bringing Minimo to the 770, I wouldn't blame him if > he didn't continue though. What do you use on 770: opera or minimo? I've tried built in opera and it must be set with swap enabled to work in a real time. Some sites ask to be seen in full graphic, for whatever reason. Zoran ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
Zoran Kolic wrote: The browser randomly shuts down and sometimes reboots the Nokia, blinding me at night in the process :-) I use links, but would like to hear is minimo better than opera in base? How it compare in ram and stability? Zoran Minimo is no longer being actively developed: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/dougt/archives/017337.html DougT and the Mozilla Organisation apparently have big ideas for it's replacement, something called "Mobile Companion", I can only hope it's development is less shambolic than that of Minimo. I personally don't agree with their reasons for not continuing with Minimo - it's pretty clear they were struggling to get it to work on the mobile phone platform, however the Internet Tablet platform should be perfect for Minimo. Antonio did a great job bringing Minimo to the 770, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't continue though. It would be great if Nokia picked up the Minimo pieces, or ported their S60 browser to the Internet Tablet thus breaking the dependency on closed-source Opera. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
> The browser randomly shuts down and sometimes > reboots the Nokia, blinding me at night in the process :-) I use links, but would like to hear is minimo better than opera in base? How it compare in ram and stability? Zoran ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: New OS 2006 firmware released
I just got done installing the new firmware, and then re-selecting all the repositories and re-installing all the software I had. My quick impression is that the WiFi is much improved - I had a torture test where I loaded a web page with a BUNCH of images from a local server - before this would be 80%+ likely to either kill the WiFi connection or reboot the unit (usually the latter) - now it survives every time. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
