Wrapping text on mobile devices (Was: Re: [maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure)
On Thu Jan 4 01:08:41 2007, Neil MacLeod wrote: My advice to you would be to stop inserting carriage returns every 6 or 7 words and instead allow the text to wrap normally so that the viewer can read your messages with text formatted as narrow or as wide as they feel comfortable. I can - astonishingly - steer this discussion slightly closer to the topic of the list. :-) There's a specification for email body text generally known as format=flowed [1], which provides a soft-wrapped variant on plain text that to the naked eye (at least for most character glyph based scripts) appears to be traditional plain text wrapped at around 78 columns. Neil's message (and this one) uses it, and it's this that allows the viewer to automatically re-wrap the text at any particular size, or use (as my client does) a proportional font for display. You might also spot that the quoted passage above might also be re-wrapped, since format=flowed also marks up quoted passages accurately. I thoroughly recommend finding a client which supports format=flowed properly, as not only does it mean that wrapping decisions become attuned to the reader's taste rather than the sender's, but it's also slated for inclusion in the next mobile email standard revision, so you may as well get ahead of the curve. (For mobile email standard revision, read The Lemonade Profile, a set of specifications designed for mobile phones, smallish devices like the 770, and weird links like GPRS and satellite, the current version being RFC4550). My apologies for inadvertantly coming around to a point. [1] - Some folk call it f=f, which is confusing, because traditional plain text is actually now format=fixed, which is also f=f. It's all in RFC3676. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 03:22:11PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: Sorry to reply so lately. I had hard time to send mail to the maemo ser- ver, whatever the reason is. (Why wrap the text so narrowly?) The eyes go downward, not left-right. T h a t d o e s n o t c o n v i n c e m e . : - ) Marius Gedminas -- He who sacrifices functionality for ease of use Loses both and deserves neither signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
Marius Gedminas: (Why wrap the text so narrowly?) Zoran Kolic: The eyes go downward, not left-right. T h a t d o e s n o t c o n v i n c e m e . : - ) M e n e i t h e r . -- Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ I have been working on a design doc for restricted execution of Python as part of my dissertation for getting Python into Firefox to replace JavaScript on the web. -- Brett Cannon, June 2006 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
Nicola Larosa wrote (03-01-2007 12:00): Marius Gedminas: (Why wrap the text so narrowly?) Zoran Kolic: The eyes go downward, not left-right. T h a t d o e s n o t c o n v i n c e m e . : - ) M e n e i t h e r . We ll I gu es s yo u ca n wr ap i t to o na rr ow t oo . I t is a lw ay s a ma tt er o f st ri ki ng t he r ig ht b al an ce . :- ) -- René Seindal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
Zoran Kolic wrote: Sorry to reply so lately. I had hard time to send mail to the maemo ser- ver, whatever the reason is. (Why wrap the text so narrowly?) The eyes go downward, not left-right. Hi Zoran English, when written with a fixed-width font, typically contains 12-14 words per line (on average). Text with too many words per line becomes difficult to follow, and text with too few words per line rapidly becomes irritating and uncomfortable to read due to the excessive left-right-down motion required by the eye balls as they follow the text. As has been demonstrated by the extreme examples in previous posts, your argument that The eyes go downward, not left-right is clearly flawed - the eyes do in fact go left-right AND down! The point is to format text in such a way that it is comfortable for the eyes to read it - all of your posts so far have failed in this respect, unless of course the reader suffers from tunnel vision. Just a thought, but you may end up receiving fewer replies to your messages as people won't bother to read what you have to say due to the poor formatting, in which case it's in your own interests to at least try to conform. My advice to you would be to stop inserting carriage returns every 6 or 7 words and instead allow the text to wrap normally so that the viewer can read your messages with text formatted as narrow or as wide as they feel comfortable. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
Neil MacLeod wrote: Just a thought, but you may end up receiving fewer replies to your messages as people won't bother to read what you have to say due to the poor formatting, in which case it's in your own interests to at least try to conform. I concur. I did not finish reading the René Seindal message, the one with two letters per line, which was even less readable than the ones with one letter per line. My advice to you would be to stop inserting carriage returns every 6 or 7 words and instead allow the text to wrap normally so that the viewer can read your messages with text formatted as narrow or as wide as they feel comfortable. That would definitely be best. -- Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ I have been working on a design doc for restricted execution of Python as part of my dissertation for getting Python into Firefox to replace JavaScript on the web. -- Brett Cannon, June 2006 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
Sorry to reply so lately. I had hard time to send mail to the maemo ser- ver, whatever the reason is. (Why wrap the text so narrowly?) The eyes go downward, not left-right. then it would seem that you have successfully installed openssh. Hm, no. As first, I added space after enabled in gainroot file (thanks Frantisek). So, it works as for every 770 user on earth. Then I used red pill to see all packages (tanks Inigo). This method allowed me to install perl modules by the click (kh-kh). No Net directory in modules, by my surprize. After that, I changed my mind and let the time go on. Dropbear is ssh2 and has issue with openvms, plan9 and so on machines from the void. If I con- nect to trusted ssh2 box, I could jump further just on dropbear. What exactly is the problem? Lack of knowledge, as always. Next week or so I would try to desinstall drop- bear, remove all files from init.d and rcX and install clean openssh. If not via apt-get, then by graphical ma- nager. (Cannot believe I said this.) If any problem, I will feel free to ask for advice. if you do not describe the symptoms I know. When it clears to me, I see where to go. I post prematurely; the next ob- sesion is iptables. Noone posted something on this topic, even the app is already on 770. Answers on command. There is no /etc/sysconfig directory on the gadget, where file should be placed. Little script could be put into init.d with shell and rules. The person, who added it to the sys- tem, might know how to configure it on embeded. Happy New year to all. Zoran ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
