RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
Hi, -Original Message- From: ext Ryan Abel [mailto:rabe...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 July, 2009 03:05 Diablo released On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:41 AM, jarmo.ti...@nokia.com wrote: The Maemo Eclipse Integration 2nd Edition project has released installation packages for Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Linuxes, Mac OS X and Windows. Maemo Flasher-3.5 tool supports flashing of N8x0 Diablo devices and coming Fremantle devices. One step forward and two steps back. Happy to see that you considered this Beta release to be at least one step forward (before ending up being one step backward :) No PPC binary, and the installer will happily chug right along without telling users that they're installing something they can't even use. Only x86 and 32-bit support with this beta release. Could you explain in more detailed your installation problems. E.g. do you try to install Windows XP or Windows Vista or Mac OS X 10.x or Debian Linux or some other Linux or ... Or are you trying to install Mac flasher-3.5 to PPC Mac? I do not Mac myself well enoug to say if architecture can be defined to the Mac installation package so that you will get some sensible error message if you try to install wrong architecture binary. Cheers, //Jarmo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
Hi, From: ext Andre Klapper [mailto:aklap...@openismus.com] your email and the download page do not mention any architectures. Can you please add that information to the download page? We just updated Flasher-3.5 download page and readme file here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php With binary architecture information flasher-3.5 beta installation packages support. Thanks about feedback so far. I have updated my flasher backlog with request to have also PPC architecture supported for Mac OS X. If we find PPC Mac somewhere I think this can be done easily for final release. I have not tested Windows version in Windows 7 RC yet. If somebody has latest Win7 RC installed I would be interested are there some problems? Cheers, //Jarmo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
is it possible to do tablet-tablet flashing? (serious question) most of us now have more than one device and since not all of us have linux or windows available (hiya GA), having a native solution would be a possible quicker workaround gary On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:43 AM, jarmo.ti...@nokia.com wrote: One step forward and two steps back. Happy to see that you considered this Beta release to be at least one step forward (before ending up being one step backward :) It's hardly every anything else with Nokia. :( No PPC binary, and the installer will happily chug right along without telling users that they're installing something they can't even use. Only x86 and 32-bit support with this beta release. Could you explain in more detailed your installation problems. E.g. do you try to install Windows XP or Windows Vista or Mac OS X 10.x or Debian Linux or some other Linux or ... I don't use Windows, and, by and large, I don't use Linux. Or are you trying to install Mac flasher-3.5 to PPC Mac? I do not Mac myself well enoug to say if architecture can be defined to the Mac installation package so that you will get some sensible error message if you try to install wrong architecture binary. Yes, because PPC OS X is basically the only thing I have access to on a regular basis. Yes, you can tell the installer that it should check the architecture. No, you shouldn't be doing that because you should be compiling a PPC binary. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-develop...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
Hi, I found something to comment from this last email :). access to on a regular basis. Yes, you can tell the installer that it should check the architecture. No, you shouldn't be If same installer can be used to install both x86 and PCC binaries depending on which PC you run installation package that would be great. Anyhow I think we can make at least separate PCC installation package when we will have PCC Mac to make it. that it should check the architecture. No, you shouldn't be doing that because you should be compiling a PPC binary. Nobody has told me if PCC binary can be build on x86 Mac. If not it will take some time to make PCC version of flasher-3.5 even when it is just rebuilding (at least in theory it should be just rebuilding task). Cheers, //Jarmo -Original Message- From: ext Ryan Abel [mailto:rabe...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 July, 2009 15:37 To: Tikka Jarmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki) Cc: maemo-develop...@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:43 AM, jarmo.ti...@nokia.com wrote: One step forward and two steps back. Happy to see that you considered this Beta release to be at least one step forward (before ending up being one step backward :) It's hardly every anything else with Nokia. :( No PPC binary, and the installer will happily chug right along without telling users that they're installing something they can't even use. Only x86 and 32-bit support with this beta release. Could you explain in more detailed your installation problems. E.g. do you try to install Windows XP or Windows Vista or Mac OS X 10.x or Debian Linux or some other Linux or ... I don't use Windows, and, by and large, I don't use Linux. Or are you trying to install Mac flasher-3.5 to PPC Mac? I do not Mac myself well enoug to say if architecture can be defined to the Mac installation package so that you will get some sensible error message if you try to install wrong architecture binary. Yes, because PPC OS X is basically the only thing I have access to on a regular basis. Yes, you can tell the installer that it should check the architecture. No, you shouldn't be doing that because you should be compiling a PPC binary. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
Hi, [jot] some answers below... From: ext gary liquid [mailto:liq...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 July, 2009 15:58 To: Ryan Abel Cc: Tikka Jarmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki); maemo-users@maemo.org; maemo-develop...@maemo.org Subject: Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released is it possible to do tablet-tablet flashing? (serious question) [jot] I think it is not possible because Tablet USB port drivers do not support it but I am not sure. What is possible is to use /usr/sbin/fiasco_flasher available from Tablet to flash images from mmc card. most of us now have more than one device and since not all of us have linux or windows available (hiya GA), having a native solution would be a possible quicker workaround [jot] The easies way to do flashing we be from PC but maybe it would be enough for you to flash from inside Tablet. BTW no quarantine this will work as I have not tested this myself. Cheers, //Jarmo gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
The Maemo Eclipse Integration 2nd Edition project has released installation packages for Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Linuxes, Mac OS X and Windows. Maemo Flasher-3.5 tool supports flashing of N8x0 Diablo devices and coming Fremantle devices. Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool details - Version: 2.4.5.3 - Beta - Date: June 30, 2009 - Hardware supported: Nokia N800, N810 and N810 Wimax with Diablo 4.1.x and Nokia NXXX with Fremantle 5.x Supported operating systems - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based Linuxes and tar ball for others) - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1 - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Downloads and documentation - Flasher-3.5 downloads: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php - Flasher-3.5 documentation: not available for this beta release Sources for libusb library (LGPL v2) installed as part of flasher-3.5 for Windows and Mac OS X: - Libusb (Mac): http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-0.1.12.tar.gz - Libusb-win32 (Win): http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz Short description The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool is a command line utility that supports N800, N810 and N810 Wimax devices with Maemo Diablo 4.1.x platform releases and coming NXXX device with Maemo Fremantle 5.x platform release. Notice that older Maemo devices (like Nokia 770) and Maemo platform releases may require a specific flasher tool. Flasher-3.5 is run from a Linux, Windows or Mac host computer, and it will send data and commands to the connected Maemo device over USB. Command line parameters supported by flasher-3.5 together with some usage examples are documented in Help.txt file available from installation packages. Flasher-3.5 binary gives also command line help if it is run without any parameter or with --set-rd-flags or --clear-rd-flags parameters. Installation The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool should be installed from the installation package provided for Debian based Linuxes, Windows XP/Vista and Mac OS X. For other than Debian based Linux distributions also compressed tar file is provided. Installation of Maemo Flasher-3.5 requires administration rights in all supported operating systems. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
The Maemo Eclipse Integration 2nd Edition project has released installation packages for Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Linuxes, Mac OS X and Windows. Maemo Flasher-3.5 tool supports flashing of N8x0 Diablo devices and coming Fremantle devices. Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool details - Version: 2.4.5.3 - Beta - Date: June 30, 2009 - Hardware supported: Nokia N800, N810 and N810 Wimax with Diablo 4.1.x and Nokia NXXX with Fremantle 5.x Supported operating systems - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based Linuxes and tar ball for others) - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1 - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Downloads and documentation - Flasher-3.5 downloads: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php - Flasher-3.5 documentation: not available for this beta release Sources for libusb library (LGPL v2) installed as part of flasher-3.5 for Windows and Mac OS X: - Libusb (Mac): http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-0.1.12.tar.gz - Libusb-win32 (Win): http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz Short description The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool is a command line utility that supports N800, N810 and N810 Wimax devices with Maemo Diablo 4.1.x platform releases and coming NXXX device with Maemo Fremantle 5.x platform release. Notice that older Maemo devices (like Nokia 770) and Maemo platform releases may require a specific flasher tool. Flasher-3.5 is run from a Linux, Windows or Mac host computer, and it will send data and commands to the connected Maemo device over USB. Command line parameters supported by flasher-3.5 together with some usage examples are documented in Help.txt file available from installation packages. Flasher-3.5 binary gives also command line help if it is run without any parameter or with --set-rd-flags or --clear-rd-flags parameters. Installation The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool should be installed from the installation package provided for Debian based Linuxes, Windows XP/Vista and Mac OS X. For other than Debian based Linux distributions also compressed tar file is provided. Installation of Maemo Flasher-3.5 requires administration rights in all supported operating systems. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
Hi Jarmo, your email and the download page do not mention any architectures. Can you please add that information to the download page? Am Dienstag, den 30.06.2009, 14:41 +0200 schrieb jarmo.ti...@nokia.com: Supported operating systems - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based Linuxes and tar ball for others) Only x86? Or also PPC? - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1 - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard PPC and x86? andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released
Hi, -Original Message- From: ext Andre Klapper [mailto:aklap...@openismus.com] Sent: 30 June, 2009 15:55 Subject: Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released Hi Jarmo, your email and the download page do not mention any architectures. Can you please add that information to the download page? Sorry about that. Only x86 and 32-bit for this beta release. Main purpose to publish new Fremantle flashers, when there are no Fremantle devices yet available :), is to get feedback from maemo community and have true installation packages available for Eclipse Integration. It would be great also to have GUI wrapper done for end users/developers on top of these (usable on all supported platforms Windows, Linuxes and Mac OS X :). Hint, hint ... Cheers, //Jarmo Am Dienstag, den 30.06.2009, 14:41 +0200 schrieb jarmo.ti...@nokia.com: Supported operating systems - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based Linuxes and tar ball for others) Only x86? Or also PPC? - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1 - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard PPC and x86? andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (AGPS)
guys the fact that it wants a data connection through a cell (wifi isn't good enough) suggests that it might look to see which gsm towers are around. out of curiosity I ran hcidump so I could watch the negotiation with the cellphone. my n810 does not get cell tower info as it connects to get agps data, although it would be a cool hack if it did. I don't think there is a way to do out-of-band AT commands after DUN is running a full-on connection (so I didn't check) the only commands it did run were... ATF (OK) AT+GCAP (+GCAP: +FCLASS) AT+CPAS (ERROR) AT+CRM=? (ERROR) AT+CMEE=1 (ERROR) AT+CGDCONT=1,ip,wap.cingular and so on with the connection. probably wifi was left out of the agps menu just because it isn't the norm for connecting while on the go... -- Brad ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (ipv6)
Hi, ext Jesper Cheetah wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) And it includes some ipv6 support! [Gain root] insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko ip -6 addr show It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. Diablo ifconfig is provided by Busybox. Just use (build) the real ones from Debian net-tools and iputils-ping (source) packages. If you haven't yet tried Chinook or Diablo SDK, now's a good time. :-) Or you may prefer just using cross-compiler with SB2 (available from Debian and freedesktop.org and announced now and then on maemo-devel) for building instead of Scratchbox v1 in the Chinook/Diablo SDKs. The browser also seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says server not found. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (AGPS)
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Nils Faerber wrote: Using the ephimeris data from ublox a ublox Antaris 5 receiver can have a time to first after cold start of less than three seconds! Now that's impressive! (thanks for the info; I stand corrected re. AGPS in non-cellphone devices..) We already wondered what this GUI is good for ;) Choosing your region? Oh well... From running supld on the command line (it normally runs as a daemon from startup) : SUPL daemon version is Mon May 5 12:12:24 UTC 2008 SLP address: supl.nokia.com SLP port: 7275 A-GPS srv address: supl.nokia.com Position timestamp: 1214410112.00 Position latitude: 49.162067 Position longitude: -123.119614 Position uncertainty: 300 Previous A-GPS req time: 0 Previous A-GPS req status: 0 A-GPS support: 1 NW INIT enabled: 0 Cached assistance data support: 1 Packet data for assistance data allowed: 1 Preferred connection id: Rogers Internet SetId NAI: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PSK EMSK: Wimax BSID: GSM Cell ID by BT support: 0 Debug SLP IP source: provisioned Debug mode: 0 Debug log folder: /media/mmc2/supllog/ agps-ui allows you to choose the preferred connection id (it only offered my EDGE connection), but supld downloaded data over the WLAN. agps-ui also has a checkbox to enable Packet data ... I presume it means do you want to incur cellular data charges for downloading an ephemeris?. I don't know how to turn on debugging (DBUS?); nothing is written to /media/mmc2/supllog/. I'm not sure where the positions came from; I suspect from the last position saved by gpsdriver. It's more accurate than geosearching my ip address. I think that supld is exchanging data on DBUS with gpsdriver; the new version links libsupld.so I presume from this that some location data is available from WiMax on the new device, and also from the GPS cell ID. I know the cell ID is available from my Nokia cellphone (I had gnokii running on my laptop via USB, and I built it for the tablet), and I believe Google has been mapping cell locations by driving around (Rogers told me the tower locations were confidential when I asked a couple of years back). Pointing a browser at supl.nokia.com doesn't get you far; I don't know the path, and it may be using a client-side SSL certificate for authentication. I haven't actually tried this much in real life so far. From what you say about ephemeris lifetime, I would hope to get a 30-second fix going outside from somewhere with WLAN but no sky (like my home, or office). I would hope that one could also take an 8-hour plane trip, then use agps-ui to set my approximate location, and get a fix in a minute or two instead of never. If true, it should go a long way to fixing the GPS woes (thanks, Zoltan). -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released - problems with 'extras' repository... read on...
ext David Greaves wrote: Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) If you have problems with installing apps from extras, read this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras Also this http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/diablo_extras-why_the_issue_and_how_to_help.html -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (AGPS)
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, GROG! (Jeff Howie) wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800 with a bluetooth GPS? I have to agree with Josh. AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device. Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online. Hmm... as per http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186839postcount=641 there's an app agps-ui beta from http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/ It uses supl-daemon to download something from https://supl.nokia.com:7275 Not sure at this point what effect this has - I'm indoors with too weak a satellite signal to get a fix. Looks interesting ... certainly agps-ui lets you choose your estimated position. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (AGPS)
Andrew Daviel schrieb: On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, GROG! (Jeff Howie) wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800 with a bluetooth GPS? I have to agree with Josh. AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device. Well... AGPS (assisted GPS) is intended to shorten the time to first fix (TTF) by uploading known data like ephimeris data up into the GPS receiver. The known data can also be a precise known time, geographic region etc. Bascially all data that can be used to help guessing your initial position or help the corelation. Some cellular networks broadcast position alike information as part of the cellular infrastructure which can be used to helpthe GPS receiver. But this is not the only method. There are also IP network based services by some companies providing initial data, like ublox or Jentro. Using the ephimeris data from ublox a ublox Antaris 5 receiver can have a time to first after cold start of less than three seconds! SIRF-III also supports AGPS (upload of ephimeris) in some configurations. The problem with AGPS is that it does not help much in the offline state. If you do not get up-to-date information from the network you are back to the non AGPS time to first fix. Ephimeris data is valid IIRC 28h so you have to update it every day. Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online. Hmm... as per http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186839postcount=641 there's an app agps-ui beta from http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/ It uses supl-daemon to download something from https://supl.nokia.com:7275 Not sure at this point what effect this has - I'm indoors with too weak a satellite signal to get a fix. Looks interesting ... certainly agps-ui lets you choose your estimated position. We already wondered what this GUI is good for ;) Choosing your region? Oh well... Cheers nils faerber -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) And it includes some ipv6 support! [Gain root] insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko ip -6 addr show It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. The browser also seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says server not found. -- Jesper Cheetah ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Jesper Cheetah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) And it includes some ipv6 support! [Gain root] insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko ip -6 addr show It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. The browser also seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says server not found. problem is not the browser but autoconfiguration for ipv6 is not working. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box? thanks, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
It did previously ... On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box? thanks, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIYsClE+4TUALb7FERAunCAJ4nIwqRm7S8J/VZpEPJBXnObD8PegCgqohH XZmwx7uLGmaJLbe4hf0peSM= =JA7E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Chinook supports it? The last I'd read was that you needed to jump through some hoops to get it to work. thanks, K On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 07:51:14PM -0400, Jonathan Greene wrote: It did previously ... On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box? thanks, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIYsClE+4TUALb7FERAunCAJ4nIwqRm7S8J/VZpEPJBXnObD8PegCgqohH XZmwx7uLGmaJLbe4hf0peSM= =JA7E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
I've definitely used my bluetooth headphones ... though I think it might actually be dual-mono rather than stereo. Have not tried the BH-903's yet in Diablo On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chinook supports it? The last I'd read was that you needed to jump through some hoops to get it to work. thanks, K On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 07:51:14PM -0400, Jonathan Greene wrote: It did previously ... On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box? thanks, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIYsClE+4TUALb7FERAunCAJ4nIwqRm7S8J/VZpEPJBXnObD8PegCgqohH XZmwx7uLGmaJLbe4hf0peSM= =JA7E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIYuxBE+4TUALb7FERAqAaAKCiG5FNGoU847R8n8UbCKaUG6FjuACgsSHO xcHETOo6n6agv+2zsTGYUE4= =Fv2f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released (AGPS)
guys So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800 with a bluetooth GPS? not without vendor-specific hacking for the specific gps. in other words, no. Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online. It is, but you have to enable AGPS and Packet data in agps-ui program, after installing it.. Moreover, this feature is available for all GPS applications on n810, not only Maps. It's possible the agps change downloads ephemeris, but the fact that it wants a data connection through a cell (wifi isn't good enough) suggests that it might look to see which gsm towers are around. -- Brad ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box? No. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Diablo released
Diablo has been released guys :) -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb: Diablo has been released guys :) Details? Like where? What? Cheers nils faerber -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
officially? On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Nils Faerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb: Diablo has been released guys :) Details? Like where? What? Cheers nils faerber -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Nils Faerber wrote: Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb: Diablo has been released guys :) Details? Like where? What? http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html ;-) \o/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
ext Nils Faerber wrote: Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb: Diablo has been released guys :) Details? Like where? What? http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html SDK announcement to land soon. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Quim Gil wrote: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html SDK announcement to land soon Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the rush that happened last time round ;-) If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address down just in case of this happening! Download looking good, 50% done (~200KB/s) :-) M ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Diablo released
Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)? Or would I be the first to try it? Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quim Gil Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30 To: ext Nils Faerber Cc: maemo-users Subject: Re: Diablo released ext Nils Faerber wrote: Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb: Diablo has been released guys :) Details? Like where? What? http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your _tablet-for_the_last_time.html SDK announcement to land soon. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Diablo released
Am Dienstag, den 24.06.2008, 07:00 -0600 schrieb Dr. Nicholas Shaw: Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)? Or would I be the first to try it? Please try, I'd say. ;-) The bug report is not closed as fixed and according to the last comment it's still not clear how this happens. Bug 3146 *might* be related, but looks unlikely to me. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Hi, ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)? Or would I be the first to try it? We haven't been able to reproduce it (and the cards with which it seems to happen are less common brands/no-brand). There have been some changes in the memory card handling so there's a remote chance it's fixed. Please test and comment on the bug! :-) - Eero Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quim Gil Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30 To: ext Nils Faerber Cc: maemo-users Subject: Re: Diablo released ext Nils Faerber wrote: Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb: Diablo has been released guys :) Details? Like where? What? http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your _tablet-for_the_last_time.html SDK announcement to land soon. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
James Knott wrote: Matt Emson wrote: Quim Gil wrote: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html SDK announcement to land soon Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the rush that happened last time round ;-) If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address down just in case of this happening! ??? Why would you need the MAC address? To access the download page. -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up, never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1? -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
That's a good question. Generally if you don't need to update... then don't do it. Theoretically all the applications should work on Diablo without much modifications. Many, in fact, do. But many of them where on the chinook extras repository and they are still not been moved to the Diablo's one. Thus updating to Diablo may give you more troubles. On the other side, a part from those new features, there are also plenty of bugfixes that Diablo carries along. And some performance improvements. Anyway, you are the only one that needs to weight the pros and cons of updating. Then, again alone, decide. -- anidel On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Dave Sherohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up, never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1? -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Dave Sherohman wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up, never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1? but but but it's the *latest* Clearly you're in the wrong community!! David PS it's the last flash upgrade - Diablo will now have online upgrades. PPS No. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released - problems with 'extras' repository... read on...
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) If you have problems with installing apps from extras, read this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras David ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
ext Dave Sherohman wrote: is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1? Depends on your definition of Diablo + 1 If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though. If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat. ;) -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Hi, ext Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:31PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed. I noticed this even without zooming. Previously, Google Reader was nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do something). Now it's fast. Although now there are some rendering artifacts from scrolling via panning: http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png Does it seem to be the same bug as this one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242 ? If not, please create a new one, thanks! - Eero (I assume fix to this will be one of the SSU benefits :-)) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
Done: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3287 Marius, can we attach your snapshot to it ? -- anidel On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, ext Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:31PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed. I noticed this even without zooming. Previously, Google Reader was nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do something). Now it's fast. Although now there are some rendering artifacts from scrolling via panning: http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png Does it seem to be the same bug as this one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242 ? If not, please create a new one, thanks! - Eero (I assume fix to this will be one of the SSU benefits :-)) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone is reason enough. of course, I left my special N810 usb cable at home today (of all days...) reason to leave early? j. On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:54:39 -0500, Dave Sherohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 06:34:36PM +0300, Quim Gil wrote: ext Dave Sherohman wrote: is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1? Depends on your definition of Diablo + 1 If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though. If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat. ;) Well, really, I meant whatever future version includes something I care about, aside from a no-flash path for future upgrades. I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then. Unless there's another new feature that matters to me today... -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone is reason enough. So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800 with a bluetooth GPS? -- Jonathan Swift - May you live every day of your life. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
No one seems to have asked the obligatory, ritual question yet... so I guess I need to fill in : Will there be a 2008HE version of Diablo for good old 770 ? :-) (as someone mentioned, I don't recall whether it was here or on ITT, a 770 with 2008HE, Maemo mapper and a GPS is a great personal navigator solution - better even than the N8x0, for a number of reasons) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 07:13:24PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: -- The *REAL* Y2K is the year 2048. Isn't that Y2Ki ? -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Diablo released
I'm guessing the Gnumeric is one of those not yet moved over. I setup the repository and, nope, doesn't show up. I still have the memory card problem but am going to try a different card to see if the problem continues. Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aniello Del Sorbo Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:33 To: Dave Sherohman; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Diablo released That's a good question. Generally if you don't need to update... then don't do it. Theoretically all the applications should work on Diablo without much modifications. Many, in fact, do. But many of them where on the chinook extras repository and they are still not been moved to the Diablo's one. Thus updating to Diablo may give you more troubles. On the other side, a part from those new features, there are also plenty of bugfixes that Diablo carries along. And some performance improvements. Anyway, you are the only one that needs to weight the pros and cons of updating. Then, again alone, decide. -- anidel On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Dave Sherohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Diablo has been released guys :) So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up, never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1? -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:43:28 -0500, GROG! (Jeff Howie) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone is reason enough. So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800 with a bluetooth GPS? my guess is no - unless the nokia gpsd supports some very non-standard gpsd features and the BT GPS is in a binary mode, not an NMEA mode. If it is just spewing NMEA over an RFCOMM port, then I don't think you would have the required interface to issue AGPS commands (but my knowledge of AGPS implementations is non-existent and even my theoretical knowledge is quite limited, so I may be wrong) rgds, josh ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:54:39PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then. Unless there's another new feature that matters to me today... Faster web browser scrolling? Fix for the irritating Ctrl+D CPU spinning bug in osso-xterm? Fix for the irritating popup that closes your vkb when you press the Ctrl toolbar button in osso-xterm? Somewhat nicer Application Manager user interface? Hey, is there a wiki page listing the nice things about Diablo? Marius Gedminas -- I am right now in the process of reading the Xft source code (the suspense near the end of Chapter 7 is unbearable) [...] -- Juliusz Chroboczek signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo released
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Dave Sherohman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up, never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1? Visually, the absence of double-taps on the vkb and jerky finger panning in the browser are both big improvements that I noticed immediately. Other than that, you won't notice huge changes. Whether the seamless updates matter to you when going from major version to major version, it is certainly better having a more robust application manager that is capable of such things. I have already been impressed at how it handled reinstalling my apps after flashing and failing gracefully on the apps that were missing from diablo repositories. It is definitely more solid. Also, while Diablo will run the vast majority of apps built for Chinook today, the same cannot be said for future apps built for Diablo running on Chinook since they may require versions of libraries that got updated in Diablo; particularly those requiring libssl as security patches may make it into 0.9.8 (diablo) that won't make it into 0.9.7 (chinook). You also may have to wait a *long* time for another updated firmware to come out whereas you probably won't have to wait long for updates (feature, security and bugfixes) to start trickling through via SSU. In the end, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to reflash. But in my experience, after making a backup just before reflashing and letting the first-boot process restore it after, the reflash was the least painful that I have encountered so far. /Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
