Re: Getting a N810 abroad
On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Michael Flaig wrote: Hi, remember, european prices contain taxes (16% in germany), us prices don't (afaik) When you look at the pricegrabber page for the N810, it lists the sales tax (or lack there of). So when Amazon is selling it for 419USD. That is what one pays. The only penalty I can think of is that your credit card will do a USD to EUR conversion that may not be beneficial (but is still usually better then the cash conversion). Even the Dell price, with sales tax is 457USD. And no, I do not know why there is such a large price differential (except for EU taxes). For once, I like being on the right side of that difference. E -- Erik Hovland mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://hovland.org/ PGP/GPG public key available on request ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
Erik Hovland wrote: On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Michael Flaig wrote: Hi, remember, european prices contain taxes (16% in germany), us prices don't (afaik) When you look at the pricegrabber page for the N810, it lists the sales tax (or lack there of). So when Amazon is selling it for 419USD. That is what one pays. But when you import it from outside the EU, your EU entry-point Customs may randomly check it, and charge you VAT on the invoice amount. The only penalty I can think of is that your credit card will do a USD to EUR conversion that may not be beneficial (but is still usually better then the cash conversion). Even the Dell price, with sales tax is 457USD. And no, I do not know why there is such a large price differential (except for EU taxes). For once, I like being on the right side of that difference It's usually because American companies (wrongly) claim and believe that Europeans have more disposable income than Americans, when in fact the opposite is the case. In fact, the historic price differential was down to Europeans simply not knowing the comparative value of goods because the choice was so poor. Not so nowadays, but the myth persists. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:04:46PM +, Peter Flynn wrote: When you look at the pricegrabber page for the N810, it lists the sales tax (or lack there of). So when Amazon is selling it for 419USD. That is what one pays. But when you import it from outside the EU, your EU entry-point Customs may randomly check it, and charge you VAT on the invoice amount. Sure. But the original poster was talking about being in the US on a business trip. So they could easily just hand carry the device and have Customs be none the wiser. And no, I do not know why there is such a large price differential (except for EU taxes). For once, I like being on the right side of that difference It's usually because American companies (wrongly) claim and believe that Europeans have more disposable income than Americans, when in fact the opposite is the case. In fact, the historic price differential was down to Europeans simply not knowing the comparative value of goods because the choice was so poor. Not so nowadays, but the myth persists. In this case it is a European company that is perpetuating the myth. But US companies like Apple are definitely showing the same pricing differential on their products. E -- Erik Hovland mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://hovland.org/ PGP/GPG public key available on request ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
Hi Michael I've considered that already. The exchange rate for €/CHF is currently to high to go this way. 1 € ~= 1.6 CHF, ok I would save ~10% on the taxes as the MwSt by us is only 7.6% but then I would have to drive 400 KM to the next Nokia shop. I guess this is not an option for me. Thank you any way. Yves On Feb 3, 2008 7:05 PM, Michael Flaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, remember, european prices contain taxes (16% in germany), us prices don't (afaik) why don't you just drive over to germany and get the n810 here? there should be a nokia shop in karlsruhe somewhere ... official price is 459EUR in germany. amazon germany has it for 401,95 I would suggest getting into a shop in karlsruhe, maybe call the shop in advance, to make sure they have it and maybe bargain to get it at the amazon price. I don't really know about swiss custom and if there is a customs duty - well swiss taxes are higher I suppose - so ... just my 2 cents, Michael btw. 459EUR ~ US$679 Am Freitag, den 01.02.2008, 14:34 +0100 schrieb Yves Kurz: Hello tablet community As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? Are there any major issues to expect, except the different keyboard layout? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? Are the GPS maps for Europa installed? Since I'm only for one week there, where should I go to get one? Thank you for your help. Yves ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
Hello Frantisek On Feb 1, 2008 3:44 PM, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yves Kurz wrote: Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? Yes. At least the AC-4U one that came with US version of Nokia 770 works fine with this adapter http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3529 . It is funny that they will send you this item alone across globe and all you pay is $1.26. Something is wrong here. Indeed something strange. Shipping should be more expensive than the $1.26. Anyway I ordered one, thanks for the tip. Yves Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
Just google n810 and buy it online from a US dealer, ship to where you are going to be in the US. US n810 deals are currently running just under $400 or around 270 EU, although I'd double check on it being in stock before ordering. * If a shop has a store the state you are having it shipped to, you will pay the sales tax. If not, no sales tax, just shipping, and sometimes that's free... * If you are going to be in California, you can order from a shop that is in CA (California). It will ship in 2-3 days to you, or less. You'll pay CA sales tax, which is something between 7.25 8.75% depending upon location. * If you order from a shop outside of CA and ship into CA, you'll avoid sales tax. * Some, such as Buy.com may have no shipping charge deals, but I'm not sure about if they are located in CA or not, so who knows about sales tax. * As a point of reference, it usually takes about a week or more to get something shipped from NY to CA. Also, you can Google up some options when it comes to getting an EU charger for back in EU. Nokia provides one for less than $10 US. Although, come to thing about it, I sort of recall when I was in Spain last summer, the regular US Nokia charger adapted to EU use with a simple plug adapter -- however, I'd double check on that before trying it... Yves Kurz wrote: Hi Michael I've considered that already. The exchange rate for €/CHF is currently to high to go this way. 1 € ~= 1.6 CHF, ok I would save ~10% on the taxes as the MwSt by us is only 7.6% but then I would have to drive 400 KM to the next Nokia shop. I guess this is not an option for me. Thank you any way. Yves On Feb 3, 2008 7:05 PM, Michael Flaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, remember, european prices contain taxes (16% in germany), us prices don't (afaik) why don't you just drive over to germany and get the n810 here? there should be a nokia shop in karlsruhe somewhere ... official price is 459EUR in germany. amazon germany has it for 401,95 I would suggest getting into a shop in karlsruhe, maybe call the shop in advance, to make sure they have it and maybe bargain to get it at the amazon price. I don't really know about swiss custom and if there is a customs duty - well swiss taxes are higher I suppose - so ... just my 2 cents, Michael btw. 459EUR ~ US$679 Am Freitag, den 01.02.2008, 14:34 +0100 schrieb Yves Kurz: Hello tablet community As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? Are there any major issues to expect, except the different keyboard layout? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? Are the GPS maps for Europa installed? Since I'm only for one week there, where should I go to get one? Thank you for your help. Yves ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Always, Dr Fred C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
My answers are based on the N800. Yves Kurz wrote: Hello tablet community As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? Are there any major issues to expect, except the different keyboard layout? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? The N800 one did, but if not, I think it's a standard Nokia charger, easily purchased for European voltage. Are the GPS maps for Europa installed? I know that the maps can just be downloaded from within the program, even on the N800 which does not come with maps. Since I'm only for one week there, where should I go to get one? Thank you for your help. Yves Ryan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Getting a N810 abroad
Hello tablet community As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? Are there any major issues to expect, except the different keyboard layout? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? Are the GPS maps for Europa installed? Since I'm only for one week there, where should I go to get one? Thank you for your help. Yves ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
Yves Kurz wrote: Hello tablet community As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? Are there any major issues to expect, except the different keyboard layout? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? The adapter can work on either power system. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
I think Frys is a good bet though I live on the east coast and we don't have them here. You might also try an online order with it shipping to your hotel... The charger pin size is standard nokia and will be US, but it should be easy to find a plug for your country. I believe the maps that come pre-loaded will be based on the country / region of purchase as well, but as Ryan noted you can download additional or replacement maps from within the application. Someone had posted a link to a direct download via computer on the list previously if I recall correctly. On Feb 1, 2008 8:44 AM, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My answers are based on the N800. Yves Kurz wrote: Hello tablet community As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? Are there any major issues to expect, except the different keyboard layout? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? The N800 one did, but if not, I think it's a standard Nokia charger, easily purchased for European voltage. Are the GPS maps for Europa installed? I know that the maps can just be downloaded from within the program, even on the N800 which does not come with maps. Since I'm only for one week there, where should I go to get one? Thank you for your help. Yves Ryan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 02:34:30PM +0100, Yves Kurz wrote: As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? For some of us, it's not just a good idea, it's the only way. Nokia doesn't sell any tablets in my country (boo!). Are there any major issues to expect, except the different keyboard layout? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? Yes. Or you can buy a European one (the model is AC-4), it's a standard new thin Nokia plug. Are the GPS maps for Europa installed? I think not, but you can download those. Since I'm only for one week there, where should I go to get one? Google found me this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14314 Maybe you'll find an answer there. Online ordering has the problem that most shops want a US credit card with a US billing address. This works if you have any friends living there. Good luck, Marius Gedminas -- It is a mess, pure and simple. Sucks to be away from Unix, huh? -- man perlfaq3 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
Hi Yves, On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 14:34 +0100, Yves Kurz wrote: As a software developer and long time Linux user I'm would like to get an N810. The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. That's the price I see in the Digitec shop, I don't know why it's that high. However, you can order it on nseries.com directly from Nokia for less than that. It's 379 EUR there, so about 610 CHF, + shipping. Probably still more expensive than in the US... Jürg ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting a N810 abroad
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 02:34:30PM +0100, Yves Kurz wrote: The problem: In my country (Switzerland) it costs about sFr799 (US$ 720) which is very over priced and way beyond what I intend to give for such a device. Luckily my employer sends me to the SD-West developer conference next month which takes place in Santa Clara, CA. Now I thought I could buy one there. What do you think, is this a good idea? Yes, especially since you can get it for less then suggested price in the US. Is this device priced this high in all of Europe? Does the US charger also accept the European 230V/50Hz input? I traveled out of the US last year and purchased a charger while in Germany. It worked fine with my US N800. The charger jack is Nokia standard. Since I'm only for one week there, where should I go to get one? Another poster suggested Fry's. They are the most likely to have it in the brick and mortar stores in the Bay area. But if you are staying in one place for a few days, you are likely to be able to buy it online and have it shipped to your hotel. Pricegrabber is the usual place to shop for these things online in the US: http://computers.pricegrabber.com/tablet-pcs/m/54962199/search=nokia+n810 Note that Amazon has a very competitive price on this item right now. Since the US cell phone market is all about the providers, it is unlikely that you will find the device in cell phone shops in the US. But it is possible. Also there are Nokia stores in the US. One is in NYC the other is in Chicago. Maybe you could make your flight have a layover in one of these cities and make your layover long enough to trip out to the stores. These Nokia stores will definitely have the N810. E -- Erik Hovland mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://hovland.org/ PGP/GPG public key available on request ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
