Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, John Holmblad wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. What does Google Maps application do that maemo-mapper does not? -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org writes: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, John Holmblad wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, youll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. What does Google Maps application do that maemo-mapper does not? Streetview. I think it has better search also. And it shares POI with the Nokia Map application so on my phone I can use the better search in goole maps and get a POI in the Nokia Map application. -- /Tommy Persson ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, John Holmblad wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. What does Google Maps application do that maemo-mapper does not? -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org Routing. Maemo-mapper requires you to be online and gets directions from - can you say: Google Maps?... (Not that I've been able to get that to work in Maemo Mapper.) Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
2009/3/19 Mark wolfm...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, John Holmblad wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. What does Google Maps application do that maemo-mapper does not? Routing. Maemo-mapper requires you to be online and gets directions from - can you say: Google Maps?... (Not that I've been able to get that to work in Maemo Mapper.) Google Maps also requires you to be online for maps and routing, doesn't it? I still don't see what Google Maps does more than Maemo Mapper. The only thing I can think of is shop search, but that is not in the todo list of Maemo Mapper, probably. -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/19 Mark wolfm...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, John Holmblad wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. What does Google Maps application do that maemo-mapper does not? Routing. Maemo-mapper requires you to be online and gets directions from - can you say: Google Maps?... (Not that I've been able to get that to work in Maemo Mapper.) Google Maps also requires you to be online for maps and routing, doesn't it? I still don't see what Google Maps does more than Maemo Mapper. Google Maps *does* routing. Maemo Mapper *doesn't*. Maemo Mapper *tries* to use Google Maps for routing, but it doesn't work, at least not well or reliably. Google Maps is online in the first place. Maemo Mapper is essentially an offline application, so requiring you to be online to do routing - or even more importantly to download maps for an area you didn't foresee needing in an area where there is no cellular coverage, much less Wi-Fi - is less than optimal. Ultimately, anything GPS-enabled that requires you to have Internet access for critical functionality is severely crippled. As long as Maemo Mapper relies solely on bitmaps, there's really no possibility of it ever doing native routing. That's one very big strike against it. Ultimately, vector data is the only efficient way to do street maps. It enables all kinds of things that are not possible using bitmaps, and requires *much* less storage space. Satellite images are nice as overlays, but - especially for the regular street maps - having to store multiple images for the exact same data at different zoom levels is insane. The only thing I can think of is shop search, but that is not in the todo list of Maemo Mapper, probably. -- anidel You're really comparing apples to oranges. Not only are you comparing an online application to an offline one, you're also comparing an app that has the full potential of Google with one that never can on its own. Sure, it can interface with Google to get the most of the same functionality, but why would anybody use a limited third-party app when going straight to the source is easier, faster, more efficient, more powerful and just as free? If you want to make a more reasonable comparison, you need to compare any IT mapping application with any standalone GPSr. After all, the tablet is basically the same form factor and has far more functionality built in. As yet, there's no IT mapping app that comes anywhere near the features, ease of use or practicality of a standalone GPSr. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
Actually I didn't start the comparison thread in the first place and secondly Maemo Mapper does not plan to substitute Google Maps and offers (well, actually it doesn't) you the possibility to also use Google's maps. Maemo Mapper is something different, it was never, I think, intended to replace a turn-by-turn specific device. In fact, many people use it to keep track of the, well, track. And many people do not move that often away from a particular area (like me in London) and have maps specific for that region does not actually occupies much space. In fact, it does the opposite. My full Wayfinder map of England I am sure is bigger than the stored London maps in Maemo Mapper. I am sure I will never need much of the vector data of England I have sitting in my device. Aniello 2009/3/19 Mark wolfm...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/19 Mark wolfm...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, John Holmblad wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. What does Google Maps application do that maemo-mapper does not? Routing. Maemo-mapper requires you to be online and gets directions from - can you say: Google Maps?... (Not that I've been able to get that to work in Maemo Mapper.) Google Maps also requires you to be online for maps and routing, doesn't it? I still don't see what Google Maps does more than Maemo Mapper. Google Maps *does* routing. Maemo Mapper *doesn't*. Maemo Mapper *tries* to use Google Maps for routing, but it doesn't work, at least not well or reliably. Google Maps is online in the first place. Maemo Mapper is essentially an offline application, so requiring you to be online to do routing - or even more importantly to download maps for an area you didn't foresee needing in an area where there is no cellular coverage, much less Wi-Fi - is less than optimal. Ultimately, anything GPS-enabled that requires you to have Internet access for critical functionality is severely crippled. As long as Maemo Mapper relies solely on bitmaps, there's really no possibility of it ever doing native routing. That's one very big strike against it. Ultimately, vector data is the only efficient way to do street maps. It enables all kinds of things that are not possible using bitmaps, and requires *much* less storage space. Satellite images are nice as overlays, but - especially for the regular street maps - having to store multiple images for the exact same data at different zoom levels is insane. The only thing I can think of is shop search, but that is not in the todo list of Maemo Mapper, probably. -- anidel You're really comparing apples to oranges. Not only are you comparing an online application to an offline one, you're also comparing an app that has the full potential of Google with one that never can on its own. Sure, it can interface with Google to get the most of the same functionality, but why would anybody use a limited third-party app when going straight to the source is easier, faster, more efficient, more powerful and just as free? If you want to make a more reasonable comparison, you need to compare any IT mapping application with any standalone GPSr. After all, the tablet is basically the same form factor and has far more functionality built in. As yet, there's no IT mapping app that comes anywhere near the features, ease of use or practicality of a standalone GPSr. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- anidel ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I didn't start the comparison thread in the first place and secondly Maemo Mapper does not plan to substitute Google Maps and offers (well, actually it doesn't) you the possibility to also use Google's maps. True enough. Maemo mapper *does* have it's uses. It's just a niche thing that doesn't have a broad application. Maemo Mapper is something different, it was never, I think, intended to replace a turn-by-turn specific device. People who don't know where they are will still not know where they are (or more accurately, how to get where they're going) if you shove a map in front of them. I fail to see the usefulness for a device that does nothing but show you where you currently are, other than very small niches like geocaching, which you can do equally well with any GPS-enabled device I've seen or tried. Keeping track of where you are on a little screen only distracts you from your surroundings, which at best makes it more difficult to orient yourself if your battery should die or you otherwise find yourself without GPS help, and at worst is very dangerous for everyone around you. In fact, many people use it to keep track of the, well, track. And many people do not move that often away from a particular area (like me in London) and have maps specific for that region does not actually occupies much space. In fact, it does the opposite. My full Wayfinder map of England I am sure is bigger than the stored London maps in Maemo Mapper. Have you actually verified that? How about some actual numbers, bearing in mind the wealth of additional information you get with the Wayfinder database, including Wi-Fi hotspots and other POIs. I am sure I will never need much of the vector data of England I have sitting in my device. Aniello All it take is that one time to make it worthwhile... I will never understand why people need maps, much less GPS-enabled devices, for their own localities. If you never travel away from your own neighborhood or city, what possible use are maps on your tablet, other than the novelty and fun of playing with a gadget? I do know some people who can't navigate their way out of a wet paper bag even in their own neighborhood, but since they can't do that even *with* a map or a GPS (couldn't operate one if their lives depended on it) or extremely precise written directions that doesn't change the irrationality of a GPS mapping app that has very limited functionality and data. In my entire metropolitan area, including all the suburbs and outlying areas, all you have to do is give me a street address and the general location, and I'll find it with a minimum of fuss and time. I don't need Maemo Mapper (or a printed map, for that matter) for that. Maemo Mapper just slows me down. (And I've lived most of my life far from here...) You're still comparing apples with oranges. Most handheld GPSrs allow you to install only the areas you need, especially the older ones with very limited storage capacity. If you tried using bitmaps on one of those, you would only be able to load a very small area indeed. With OSM (and the aforementioned GPSrs), you can download vector data in tiles, and therefore get only the areas you need, but that data will still only take a tiny fraction of the space that Maemo Mapper will use for the equivalent area, leaving much more space for other things. As a matter of fact, the Wayfinder data for all of the UK Ireland is only 143MB, Whereas covering only London with Maemo Mapper at different zoom levels and with OSM/satellite/etc. probably approaches that. I have 125 MB of Maemo-Mapper data installed, and that's very limited areas because I've all but stopped using it since I installed RoadMap. (Which has some issues of its own - there are some gaping holes in my vicinity's data for certain OSM tiles that flatly refuse to download.) London - being an area of very dense data - would be an excellent example of the minimum difference in storage space requirements. The more rural the area, the more pronounced the difference. But there's still the problem of native routing, which is elementary with vector data and practically impossible with bitmaps. Enabling routing with bitmaps would require adding a ton of metadata that would take at least as much space as all of the vector data for the same area. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
keep in mind though that the iPhone and Android devices direct you to an application NOT the browser through a URL handler. not that that's not a good idea but no other device except for the upcoming PalmPre can really handle the heavy requirements in the browser. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - jonathangre...@gmail.com Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com Sent from: Paddington Greater London United Kingdom. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How About Google Maps for Mobile for the IT?
Also, it's not only touch screens that have Google Maps. There's an app for nearly all phones. But, like Jonathan said, it's an app, not viewing via the web client. K On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jonathan Greene atmasph...@atmasphere.netwrote: keep in mind though that the iPhone and Android devices direct you to an application NOT the browser through a URL handler. not that that's not a good idea but no other device except for the upcoming PalmPre can really handle the heavy requirements in the browser. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, here is another app that would be nice to have on the IT: http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html# At the end of that www page they put in the following teaser: Of course, if you have an iPhone, iPod touch, or Android device, you’ll already be familiar with Google Maps right there on your home screen. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - jonathangre...@gmail.com Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com Sent from: Paddington Greater London United Kingdom. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
