Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
I'll second that. There's currently a bunch (perhaps 50%) of supposedly n800 software at maemo that doesn't install on a fresh N800 because some assumed files on the N800 are missing. Most of these seem to be from the same core files, however I was unable to locate much info about these missing files at the maemo site -- I gather folks are supposed to be born with this knowledge? I have encountered these problems with a fresh install of OS2006 on the 770. After enabling red-pill mode (ridiculous procedure) I attempted to install (all listed on the maemo downloads site) : openssh from the .install file. Package not found evince: Nothing happens in the Application Manager when the .install file on maemo.org applications is downloaded. The .install link defaults to the n800. So I google for evince and download it from the developer site using the correct install file. It appears to download, and then I am told Package not found canola: Unable to install. Installation file corrupted Success. Osso-xterm advanced and fbreader install. Mplayer, installs but then Application manager crashes. Python 2.4 runtime: Download failed Python 2.5 runtime: Download failed and application manager crashes. At this point I am giving up and going to bed. It is really quite frustrating. I have some familiarity with the device, I can only imagine the annoyance of someone who has just bought one. Gavin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 01:01:56AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tip to users: no matter what are you looking for, try first in http://downloads.maemo.org. Once you have tried the app take one minute to rate it and leave a comment. You will be *very* helpful to the next users after you. Tip to developers: no matter what applications you develop, make sure they have a nice and descriptive page in http://downloads.maemo.org with a tested install file. You will make users happy in a single click. By the way, tested ideally would mean tested on a fresh N800 with no extra repositories added. Otherwise you may think the .install file works, when it actually doesn't. Marius Gedminas -- We're sysadmins. To us, data is a protocol-overhead. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Marius Gedminas On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 01:01:56AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tip to users: no matter what are you looking for, try first in http://downloads.maemo.org. Once you have tried the app take one minute to rate it and leave a comment. You will be *very* helpful to the next users after you. Tip to developers: no matter what applications you develop, make sure they have a nice and descriptive page in http://downloads.maemo.org with a tested install file. You will make users happy in a single click. By the way, tested ideally would mean tested on a fresh N800 with no extra repositories added. Otherwise you may think the .install file works, when it actually doesn't. Marius Gedminas The quality awareness project could cover the application packaging and publishing too: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/qualityaware/ Br, --jakub ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
Marius Gedminas wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 01:01:56AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tip to users: no matter what are you looking for, try first in http://downloads.maemo.org. Once you have tried the app take one minute to rate it and leave a comment. You will be *very* helpful to the next users after you. Tip to developers: no matter what applications you develop, make sure they have a nice and descriptive page in http://downloads.maemo.org with a tested install file. You will make users happy in a single click. By the way, "tested" ideally would mean tested on a fresh N800 with no extra repositories added. Otherwise you may think the .install file works, when it actually doesn't. Marius Gedminas I'll second that. There's currently a bunch (perhaps 50%) of supposedly n800 software at maemo that doesn't install on a fresh N800 because some assumed files on the N800 are missing. Most of these seem to be from the same core files, however I was unable to locate much info about these missing files at the maemo site -- I gather folks are supposed to be born with this knowledge? IMHO, the cost of including everything one needs in an install package is minimal compared to the 'unreliable software reputation' that is created when an installation fails. It's much harder to get rid of a bad reputation than it is to avoid it by including all necessary files from the start. This is particularly true for newbies who aren't particular computer literate, who will also tend to be in much larger numbers than those who know their way around the n800/maemo/linux system. It's this group of folks who will be the most critical judges of the N800s success in the long run, not the techies who may dominate this list. The general FAILURE of many Maemo Techies to police/rate software who also freely pass out 4 stars on stuff that doesn't install on a fresh N800s should also be noted. They also don't seem to get it that something that doesn't fully self install on a fresh n800 is a BIG FAT ZERO star product for most n800 endusers. IMHO, all of the ratings that currently exist should be thrown out and redone with the primary rule to get any rating at all should be a clean full install on a 'fresh n800'. It's a serious quality control matter that need immediate addressing if the maemo site desires to develop and keep a solid reliable reputation. The general expectation of end users is everything should install flawlessly with a simple click, without any additional BS or steps required. Documentation and searching for answers for failed installations at some web site might as well be written in and stored at some Klingon server for this crowd. Complaining and spreading ill will about faulty software/hardware is the path of least resistance to this crowd... Most endusers barely know the difference between hardware, firmware and software. Only that something works, or doesn't work. Always, Dr Fred C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
Thanks. I had no success from trying Neil MacLeod's suggestion of changing mistral to gregale for the Distribution in the Application Manager Catalog repository data. Then looking for xterm in the new Application Catalog, I did find osso-xterm-advanced and sorta figured out your recommendation of the green arrow scripted download routine. And it worked like a charm. Now I easily became root and could do terminal operations. But the same Application Manager apt-get snag came up again when trying to partition my 1GB MMC card. This was a step in the HowTo for booting from the MMC. These are excerpts from the terminal (the same error and failed to fetch occurred for all six packages to be installed): -- / # apt-get install e2fsprogs -- Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free e2fslibs 1.37-2sarge1 Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' -- Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/e/ e2fsprogs/e2fslibs_1.37-2sarge1_armel.deb Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' -- E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? -- / # -- Is this an issue with repository.maemo.org or am I just missing something? Again your advice would be appreciated. --Don Nokia 770 OS2006 On Jul 21, 2007, at 6:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go to http://downloads.maemo.org/product/osso-xterm-advanced with your tablet and click the green arrow. Press OK and some seconds later you will be done. - Tip to users: no matter what are you looking for, try first in http://downloads.maemo.org. Once you have tried the app take one minute to rate it and leave a comment. You will be *very* helpful to the next users after you. Tip to developers: no matter what applications you develop, make sure they have a nice and descriptive page in http://downloads.maemo.org with a tested install file. You will make users happy in a single click. Quim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
D. L. Fuller wrote: Then looking for xterm in the new Application Catalog, I did find osso-xterm-advanced and sorta figured out your recommendation of the green arrow scripted download routine. And it worked like a charm. Ah, sorry - I thought that (advanced) was what you were installing anyway as it's the only one I ever bother with... such a shame that so many other defective packages remain hanging around in cyberspace to catch out the unwary. Another argument for properly managed repositories I guess. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
D. L. Fuller wrote: I followed two HowTo procedures to become root. First successfully installing becomeroot and then getting osso-xterm 0.13 listed in the Application Manager. But then the install of osso-xterm fails as Package not found. I've double-checked and my entered repository data seems okay, but the log shows: Installing osso-xterm 0.13 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/ ncurses/libncurses5_5.4-3_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/v/vte/ libvte-common_0.11.13-3osso2_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/v/vte/ libvte4_0.11.13-3osso2_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/o/osso- xterm/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Any advice would be appreciated. Try changing maemo2.0 to gregale in each of your repositories. You're not the first to be caught out by this problem with the maemo2.0 repositories which seems to be due to a caching issue (the files are listed, but are not physically present). Perhaps someone from Maemo can advise or fix? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
You can dowload it through the opera browser at your n800 and open the file manager and dobler click. On 7/21/07, D. L. Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed two HowTo procedures to become root. First successfully installing becomeroot and then getting osso-xterm 0.13 listed in the Application Manager. But then the install of osso-xterm fails as Package not found. I've double-checked and my entered repository data seems okay, but the log shows: Installing osso-xterm 0.13 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/ ncurses/libncurses5_5.4-3_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/v/vte/ libvte-common_0.11.13-3osso2_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/v/vte/ libvte4_0.11.13-3osso2_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/o/osso- xterm/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Any advice would be appreciated. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
Go to http://downloads.maemo.org/product/osso-xterm-advanced with your tablet and click the green arrow. Press OK and some seconds later you will be done. - Tip to users: no matter what are you looking for, try first in http://downloads.maemo.org. Once you have tried the app take one minute to rate it and leave a comment. You will be *very* helpful to the next users after you. Tip to developers: no matter what applications you develop, make sure they have a nice and descriptive page in http://downloads.maemo.org with a tested install file. You will make users happy in a single click. Quim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
