Re: Recording calls
OK, build 2 up and installable through the App Manager On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:57, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, saw that too right now after waking up. I've now uploaded a 2nd build with a minuscule P... That's what -devel is for :-) -Tom I am having problems installing recaller. App manager says Application packages missing: Python-dbus(=0.83.0-1maemo3)I have python installed on the device including that same version of python-dbus package. To be sure of it, I installed it again from extras-devel repository. Is the capitalization the problem here? Has someone successfully installed the app? Hartti On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: I have now uploaded my recaller widget to the autobuilder, it built OK and should show up in extras-devel during the next hours (IF the servers work again - I have 0.2.0 of sleeper still not showing up in the package interface after 2 hours in the queue). The widget is encoding in AAC stereo right now at 128 kBit - this takes about 1 MB per minute in very good quality. Probably overkill, but the 27 GB in MyDcos give you 460h of recording time, so everything has become a bit relative on a monster like the N900 :-) And yes, the widget can also be used as a simple recorder/dictaphone. Best regards -Tom ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Hi, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: IMO developer could was his/hers hands just by adding disclaimer to licence conditions. Something like make sure recording calls is legal before using this software. You mean like every image viewer has a warning that viewing some images might be illegal in some places? Or like every text editor has a warning that you should make sure that what you write is legal where you are? Be careful, in some countries it might be illegal to say things like that... Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
2010/1/19 Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: IMO *developer could* *wash his/hers hands* just by adding disclaimer to licence conditions. Something like make sure recording calls is legal before using this software. but I'm not lawyer so this is uneducated guess. reasoned from the fact that kitchen knives can be sold even after people are stabbed to death with few of those sold... You mean like every image viewer has a warning that viewing some images might be illegal in some places? Or like every text editor has a warning that you should make sure that what you write is legal where you are? -- Matan. No, read what I wrote. Point bolded. Ossipena / Timo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
O Lun, 18-01-2010 ás 23:14 +0100, Thomas Waelti escribiu: I have now uploaded my recaller widget to the autobuilder, it built OK and should show up in extras-devel during the next hours (IF the servers work again - I have 0.2.0 of sleeper still not showing up in the package interface after 2 hours in the queue). I'd prefer it to be a program instead of a widget (or both), as I don't like having such a widget for the the low (but some) use I'd make. Would it be possible? Br. -- Xabier Rodríguez Calvar Computer Engineer IGALIA http://www.igalia.com signature.asc Description: Esta é unha parte de mensaxe asinada dixitalmente ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Hartti Suomela har...@gmail.com wrote: There is a brainstrom on this http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/call_recording/ and a related talk.maemo.org discussion thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33296 on page 5 there are some instructions on how to do this from command line. I am not aware of an app for this yet Hartti And while Nokia brainstorms, the venerable old Palm OS has had one for years... http://www.mrgadget.com.au/gadget/2009/how-to-record-telephone-conversations-on-your-palm/ http://mobilesoftware.mrgadget.com.au/product.asp?id=1962n=CallRec Sorry, coudn´t resist... I still think a Linux based OS with backwards PalmOS compatibility would have been superb. Too bad Nokia doesn´t have the vision to snap Access Software as its Japanese management seems doomed FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
It literally took the Palm YEARS to get a call recorder. It took the N900 weeks (days :-) to get a call recorder - dictaphone - FM radio recorder - Internet radio recorder - Flash TV recorder, in AAC 128 kbps Stereo :-) Happy hacking - the N900 rocks! -Tom On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 15:50, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Hartti Suomela har...@gmail.com wrote: There is a brainstrom on this http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/call_recording/ and a related talk.maemo.org discussion thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33296 on page 5 there are some instructions on how to do this from command line. I am not aware of an app for this yet Hartti And while Nokia brainstorms, the venerable old Palm OS has had one for years... http://www.mrgadget.com.au/gadget/2009/how-to-record-telephone-conversations-on-your-palm/ http://mobilesoftware.mrgadget.com.au/product.asp?id=1962n=CallRec Sorry, coudn´t resist... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: It literally took the Palm YEARS to get a call recorder. It took the N900 weeks (days :-) to get a call recorder - dictaphone - FM radio recorder - Internet radio recorder - Flash TV recorder, in AAC 128 kbps Stereo :-) Happy hacking - the N900 rocks! -Tom Has anyone managed to install the Garnet VM beta 5 on the N900?. I'm just curious if it works, as the Access Software page only mentions N800 and N810 tablets... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
It does work, and runs the stock Palm apps fine. Still have not found the time to install the other Palm apps I still cling to On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:00, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: It literally took the Palm YEARS to get a call recorder. It took the N900 weeks (days :-) to get a call recorder - dictaphone - FM radio recorder - Internet radio recorder - Flash TV recorder, in AAC 128 kbps Stereo :-) Happy hacking - the N900 rocks! -Tom Has anyone managed to install the Garnet VM beta 5 on the N900?. I'm just curious if it works, as the Access Software page only mentions N800 and N810 tablets... FC ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
I still had problems with installing this though App Manager (it was complaining about the same thing even though I refreshed the app catalogs) However I succeeded in installing the required packages manually (recaller + one missing python module) Works great, thanks! I would make the button a little bigger to be easier to tap on, though. And if that button would be available directly in the Phone UI, that would be just perfect :-) Hartti On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: OK, build 2 up and installable through the App Manager On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:57, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, saw that too right now after waking up. I've now uploaded a 2nd build with a minuscule P... That's what -devel is for :-) -Tom I am having problems installing recaller. App manager says Application packages missing: Python-dbus(=0.83.0-1maemo3)I have python installed on the device including that same version of python-dbus package. To be sure of it, I installed it again from extras-devel repository. Is the capitalization the problem here? Has someone successfully installed the app? Hartti On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: I have now uploaded my recaller widget to the autobuilder, it built OK and should show up in extras-devel during the next hours (IF the servers work again - I have 0.2.0 of sleeper still not showing up in the package interface after 2 hours in the queue). The widget is encoding in AAC stereo right now at 128 kBit - this takes about 1 MB per minute in very good quality. Probably overkill, but the 27 GB in MyDcos give you 460h of recording time, so everything has become a bit relative on a monster like the N900 :-) And yes, the widget can also be used as a simple recorder/dictaphone. Best regards -Tom ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
I had no issues, but I know I had a similar issue with the first devel item I installed. (I needed a python-conic, which was only in devel, but was off-version. :P I didn't have it with recaller, though I did have to reboot before it widget showed up on the screen? I do like the functionality, but have to say having it on the phone app screen would rock. :) I'll play with a it a little more over the next day or two though and let you know what I think. Awesome from what I've seen so far! Hartti Suomela har...@gmail.com wrote: = I still had problems with installing this though App Manager (it was complaining about the same thing even though I refreshed the app catalogs) However I succeeded in installing the required packages manually (recaller + one missing python module) Works great, thanks! I would make the button a little bigger to be easier to tap on, though. And if that button would be available directly in the Phone UI, that would be just perfect :-) Hartti On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: OK, build 2 up and installable through the App Manager On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 07:57, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, saw that too right now after waking up. I've now uploaded a 2nd build with a minuscule P... That's what -devel is for :-) -Tom I am having problems installing recaller. App manager says Application packages missing: Python-dbus(=0.83.0-1maemo3)I have python installed on the device including that same version of python-dbus package. To be sure of it, I installed it again from extras-devel repository. Is the capitalization the problem here? Has someone successfully installed the app? Hartti On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: I have now uploaded my recaller widget to the autobuilder, it built OK and should show up in extras-devel during the next hours (IF the servers work again - I have 0.2.0 of sleeper still not showing up in the package interface after 2 hours in the queue). The widget is encoding in AAC stereo right now at 128 kBit - this takes about 1 MB per minute in very good quality. Probably overkill, but the 27 GB in MyDcos give you 460h of recording time, so everything has become a bit relative on a monster like the N900 :-) And yes, the widget can also be used as a simple recorder/dictaphone. Best regards -Tom ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
2010/1/14 Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC What about a real free format like OGG vorbis? Um.. speex? -- I appear to be temporarily using gmail's horrible interface. I apologise for any failure in my part in trying to make it do the right thing with post formatting. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
O Sáb, 16-01-2010 ás 04:14 +0100, sebastian maemo escribiu: Of course, laws depend very much on the country you live... but IMHO recording a conversation in YOUR own phone is perfectly legal and you don't need to warn anybody about it, because you are recording YOUR conversation... In Spain you have to warn the other person about it and that's why everytime you call a call center they warn you about they might be recording it. Br. -- Xabier Rodríguez Calvar Computer Engineer IGALIA http://www.igalia.com signature.asc Description: Esta é unha parte de mensaxe asinada dixitalmente ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
The problem is to find a compromise between: a) CPU/power usage b) Encoding efficiency c) Playback capability d) API availability Due to a) and d), I'm only looking at the gstreamer encoders available on the N900. Du to c) I have dropped the ANB and AWB codecs from evaluation - I was unable to quickly find a standard software for playback on Windows (e.g. WMP or VLC bot failed) Tonight, I'll try low bitrate AAC as it is probably a good compromise between these factors. I will also try speex, as it's on the N900 by default and technically ideally for encoding this kind of audio. However, I'm not so sure about playback capability on Windows :-) Is Speex on the N900 using the DSP? Because I guess that all NokiXXXenc are, e.g. the AAC one. Thanks -Tom On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 09:37, Harri Haataja realbla...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/14 Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC What about a real free format like OGG vorbis? Um.. speex? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Craig Woodward wo...@rochester.rr.com wrote: In any case, this is not new territory for phones in general or for Nokia. Several Nokia phones have had the ability to record conversations. My Nokia 6230i has the ability to record calls, but for legal notification reasons emits a muted beep/tone every 5 seconds while it's recording. The tone is at about 10% of the volume of the call and lasts 1/2 second, every 5 seconds. In Symbian phones there are many call recorder apps, including the ability to disable the warning beep (since it's not required in all places, as you described). Recording into various formats (AMR seems preferred for voice since it has a very small size). And features like auto-uploading your conversations to a FTP/web server for later reference, rather than storing all only on the phone. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Some guidance (very limited though) from Wikipedia on the legal aspects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws Hartti On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM, sebastian maemo sebastian.ma...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/14 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com Recording conversations is a useful tool, but also illegal or highly regulated in many jurisdictions, so that might deter developers somewhat. I'm not a lawyer... but I think you're wrong (in general). Of course, laws depend very much on the country you live... but IMHO recording a conversation in YOUR own phone is perfectly legal and you don't need to warn anybody about it, because you are recording YOUR conversation... What is completely illegal is to record conversations of other people, or even making illegal use of your own conversations when other people is involved... That's MHO and I'm not a lawyer :-P -- Salut, Sebas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Just one thought on this: Most people are going to do playback on the device. I would focus on the best codec available for recording and playback on the N900. If people want to use it some other place, maybe making an export function (for Wav or MP3 or whatever) would suffice. Worst case, make a selectable setting for which codec to use and let the user decide? One idea: Most phone conversations are mono. Maybe a good strategy would be to record in stereo, with inbound on one channel and out-bound on the other? It would make listening to it later interesting, since you could balance out one side or the other to catch pieces obscured by overlap? Would also help clarify who said what on a 2-party call at least. What's the app/widget garage name? Would love to load it up and take it for a test drive. I miss this from my 6230, though I honestly don't use it often. (Had a hot key for it to turn it on while driving in case there was something I needed to take note of for later. Hard to take notes while driving. :) Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: = The problem is to find a compromise between: a) CPU/power usage b) Encoding efficiency c) Playback capability d) API availability Due to a) and d), I'm only looking at the gstreamer encoders available on the N900. Du to c) I have dropped the ANB and AWB codecs from evaluation - I was unable to quickly find a standard software for playback on Windows (e.g. WMP or VLC bot failed) Tonight, I'll try low bitrate AAC as it is probably a good compromise between these factors. I will also try speex, as it's on the N900 by default and technically ideally for encoding this kind of audio. However, I'm not so sure about playback capability on Windows :-) Is Speex on the N900 using the DSP? Because I guess that all NokiXXXenc are, e.g. the AAC one. Thanks -Tom On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 09:37, Harri Haataja realbla...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/14 Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC What about a real free format like OGG vorbis? Um.. speex? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
I have now uploaded my recaller widget to the autobuilder, it built OK and should show up in extras-devel during the next hours (IF the servers work again - I have 0.2.0 of sleeper still not showing up in the package interface after 2 hours in the queue). The widget is encoding in AAC stereo right now at 128 kBit - this takes about 1 MB per minute in very good quality. Probably overkill, but the 27 GB in MyDcos give you 460h of recording time, so everything has become a bit relative on a monster like the N900 :-) And yes, the widget can also be used as a simple recorder/dictaphone. Best regards -Tom Just one thought on this: Most people are going to do playback on the device. I would focus on the best codec available for recording and playback on the N900. If people want to use it some other place, maybe making an export function (for Wav or MP3 or whatever) would suffice. Worst case, make a selectable setting for which codec to use and let the user decide? One idea: Most phone conversations are mono. Maybe a good strategy would be to record in stereo, with inbound on one channel and out-bound on the other? It would make listening to it later interesting, since you could balance out one side or the other to catch pieces obscured by overlap? Would also help clarify who said what on a 2-party call at least. What's the app/widget garage name? Would love to load it up and take it for a test drive. I miss this from my 6230, though I honestly don't use it often. (Had a hot key for it to turn it on while driving in case there was something I needed to take note of for later. Hard to take notes while driving. :) Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: = The problem is to find a compromise between: a) CPU/power usage b) Encoding efficiency c) Playback capability d) API availability Due to a) and d), I'm only looking at the gstreamer encoders available on the N900. Du to c) I have dropped the ANB and AWB codecs from evaluation - I was unable to quickly find a standard software for playback on Windows (e.g. WMP or VLC bot failed) Tonight, I'll try low bitrate AAC as it is probably a good compromise between these factors. I will also try speex, as it's on the N900 by default and technically ideally for encoding this kind of audio. However, I'm not so sure about playback capability on Windows :-) Is Speex on the N900 using the DSP? Because I guess that all NokiXXXenc are, e.g. the AAC one. Thanks -Tom On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 09:37, Harri Haataja realbla...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/14 Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC What about a real free format like OGG vorbis? Um.. speex? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: IMO developer could was his/hers hands just by adding disclaimer to licence conditions. Something like make sure recording calls is legal before using this software. but I'm not lawyer so this is uneducated guess. reasoned from the fact that kitchen knives can be sold even after people are stabbed to death with few of those sold... You mean like every image viewer has a warning that viewing some images might be illegal in some places? Or like every text editor has a warning that you should make sure that what you write is legal where you are? -- Matan. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
I am having problems installing recaller. App manager says Application packages missing: Python-dbus(=0.83.0-1maemo3) I have python installed on the device including that same version of python-dbus package. To be sure of it, I installed it again from extras-devel repository. Is the capitalization the problem here? Has someone successfully installed the app? Hartti On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: I have now uploaded my recaller widget to the autobuilder, it built OK and should show up in extras-devel during the next hours (IF the servers work again - I have 0.2.0 of sleeper still not showing up in the package interface after 2 hours in the queue). The widget is encoding in AAC stereo right now at 128 kBit - this takes about 1 MB per minute in very good quality. Probably overkill, but the 27 GB in MyDcos give you 460h of recording time, so everything has become a bit relative on a monster like the N900 :-) And yes, the widget can also be used as a simple recorder/dictaphone. Best regards -Tom Just one thought on this: Most people are going to do playback on the device. I would focus on the best codec available for recording and playback on the N900. If people want to use it some other place, maybe making an export function (for Wav or MP3 or whatever) would suffice. Worst case, make a selectable setting for which codec to use and let the user decide? One idea: Most phone conversations are mono. Maybe a good strategy would be to record in stereo, with inbound on one channel and out-bound on the other? It would make listening to it later interesting, since you could balance out one side or the other to catch pieces obscured by overlap? Would also help clarify who said what on a 2-party call at least. What's the app/widget garage name? Would love to load it up and take it for a test drive. I miss this from my 6230, though I honestly don't use it often. (Had a hot key for it to turn it on while driving in case there was something I needed to take note of for later. Hard to take notes while driving. :) Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: = The problem is to find a compromise between: a) CPU/power usage b) Encoding efficiency c) Playback capability d) API availability Due to a) and d), I'm only looking at the gstreamer encoders available on the N900. Du to c) I have dropped the ANB and AWB codecs from evaluation - I was unable to quickly find a standard software for playback on Windows (e.g. WMP or VLC bot failed) Tonight, I'll try low bitrate AAC as it is probably a good compromise between these factors. I will also try speex, as it's on the N900 by default and technically ideally for encoding this kind of audio. However, I'm not so sure about playback capability on Windows :-) Is Speex on the N900 using the DSP? Because I guess that all NokiXXXenc are, e.g. the AAC one. Thanks -Tom On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 09:37, Harri Haataja realbla...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/14 Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC What about a real free format like OGG vorbis? Um.. speex? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Yeah, saw that too right now after waking up. I've now uploaded a 2nd build with a minuscule P... That's what -devel is for :-) -Tom I am having problems installing recaller. App manager says Application packages missing: Python-dbus(=0.83.0-1maemo3)I have python installed on the device including that same version of python-dbus package. To be sure of it, I installed it again from extras-devel repository. Is the capitalization the problem here? Has someone successfully installed the app? Hartti On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: I have now uploaded my recaller widget to the autobuilder, it built OK and should show up in extras-devel during the next hours (IF the servers work again - I have 0.2.0 of sleeper still not showing up in the package interface after 2 hours in the queue). The widget is encoding in AAC stereo right now at 128 kBit - this takes about 1 MB per minute in very good quality. Probably overkill, but the 27 GB in MyDcos give you 460h of recording time, so everything has become a bit relative on a monster like the N900 :-) And yes, the widget can also be used as a simple recorder/dictaphone. Best regards -Tom Just one thought on this: Most people are going to do playback on the device. I would focus on the best codec available for recording and playback on the N900. If people want to use it some other place, maybe making an export function (for Wav or MP3 or whatever) would suffice. Worst case, make a selectable setting for which codec to use and let the user decide? One idea: Most phone conversations are mono. Maybe a good strategy would be to record in stereo, with inbound on one channel and out-bound on the other? It would make listening to it later interesting, since you could balance out one side or the other to catch pieces obscured by overlap? Would also help clarify who said what on a 2-party call at least. What's the app/widget garage name? Would love to load it up and take it for a test drive. I miss this from my 6230, though I honestly don't use it often. (Had a hot key for it to turn it on while driving in case there was something I needed to take note of for later. Hard to take notes while driving. :) Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: = The problem is to find a compromise between: a) CPU/power usage b) Encoding efficiency c) Playback capability d) API availability Due to a) and d), I'm only looking at the gstreamer encoders available on the N900. Du to c) I have dropped the ANB and AWB codecs from evaluation - I was unable to quickly find a standard software for playback on Windows (e.g. WMP or VLC bot failed) Tonight, I'll try low bitrate AAC as it is probably a good compromise between these factors. I will also try speex, as it's on the N900 by default and technically ideally for encoding this kind of audio. However, I'm not so sure about playback capability on Windows :-) Is Speex on the N900 using the DSP? Because I guess that all NokiXXXenc are, e.g. the AAC one. Thanks -Tom On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 09:37, Harri Haataja realbla...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/14 Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC What about a real free format like OGG vorbis? Um.. speex? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
2010/1/16 Craig Woodward wo...@rochester.rr.com I know the legality of recording calls varies greatly in many countries. In the US where I live it varies from state to state not only if you may record calls, but if those recordings may be published or used for legal purposes in a court of law. In general in the US you need to be a known participant in the call, and in some states that's enough, in others you need to inform some or all parties that the call is being recorded. In any case, this is not new territory for phones in general or for Nokia. Several Nokia phones have had the ability to record conversations. My Nokia 6230i has the ability to record calls, but for legal notification reasons emits a muted beep/tone every 5 seconds while it's recording. The tone is at about 10% of the volume of the call and lasts 1/2 second, every 5 seconds. In any case, I doubt any country would have laws that would punish a developer for making an application for the phone. Rather most laws would target the person who installed and/or used the application in a way that did not conform with local laws. sebastian maemo sebastian.ma...@gmail.com wrote: = 2010/1/14 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com Recording conversations is a useful tool, but also illegal or highly regulated in many jurisdictions, so that might deter developers somewhat. I'm not a lawyer... but I think you're wrong (in general). Of course, laws depend very much on the country you live... but IMHO recording a conversation in YOUR own phone is perfectly legal and you don't need to warn anybody about it, because you are recording YOUR conversation... What is completely illegal is to record conversations of other people, or even making illegal use of your own conversations when other people is involved... That's MHO and I'm not a lawyer :-P -- Salut, Sebas IMO developer could was his/hers hands just by adding disclaimer to licence conditions. Something like make sure recording calls is legal before using this software. but I'm not lawyer so this is uneducated guess. reasoned from the fact that kitchen knives can be sold even after people are stabbed to death with few of those sold... Ossipena / Timo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
2010/1/14 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com Recording conversations is a useful tool, but also illegal or highly regulated in many jurisdictions, so that might deter developers somewhat. I'm not a lawyer... but I think you're wrong (in general). Of course, laws depend very much on the country you live... but IMHO recording a conversation in YOUR own phone is perfectly legal and you don't need to warn anybody about it, because you are recording YOUR conversation... What is completely illegal is to record conversations of other people, or even making illegal use of your own conversations when other people is involved... That's MHO and I'm not a lawyer :-P -- Salut, Sebas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
I know the legality of recording calls varies greatly in many countries. In the US where I live it varies from state to state not only if you may record calls, but if those recordings may be published or used for legal purposes in a court of law. In general in the US you need to be a known participant in the call, and in some states that's enough, in others you need to inform some or all parties that the call is being recorded. In any case, this is not new territory for phones in general or for Nokia. Several Nokia phones have had the ability to record conversations. My Nokia 6230i has the ability to record calls, but for legal notification reasons emits a muted beep/tone every 5 seconds while it's recording. The tone is at about 10% of the volume of the call and lasts 1/2 second, every 5 seconds. In any case, I doubt any country would have laws that would punish a developer for making an application for the phone. Rather most laws would target the person who installed and/or used the application in a way that did not conform with local laws. sebastian maemo sebastian.ma...@gmail.com wrote: = 2010/1/14 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com Recording conversations is a useful tool, but also illegal or highly regulated in many jurisdictions, so that might deter developers somewhat. I'm not a lawyer... but I think you're wrong (in general). Of course, laws depend very much on the country you live... but IMHO recording a conversation in YOUR own phone is perfectly legal and you don't need to warn anybody about it, because you are recording YOUR conversation... What is completely illegal is to record conversations of other people, or even making illegal use of your own conversations when other people is involved... That's MHO and I'm not a lawyer :-P -- Salut, Sebas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC (or any other of Nokia Encoder better sutied for voice quality audio, such as G.729 or AMR-NB). Combine that with gst-python and we should have something up and running in a few hours :-) Happy hacking - Maemo rocks -Tom On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 14:33, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Hi, Hartti Suomela wrote: There is a brainstrom on this http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/call_recording/ and a related talk.maemo.org http://talk.maemo.org discussion thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33296 on page 5 there are some instructions on how to do this from command line. I just extracted this to a wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Recording_phonecalls It would be relatively straightforward to put a call recording front-end on what he's done here - ideally you'd have a .wav or .mp3 sink to concatenate input output streams together and generate one file for the phone call. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Thomas Wälti wrote: The documented method looks really hacky, IMHO the gstreamer based method of Zaheer Abbas Merali (gst guru par excellence :-) posted in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=464494postcount=50 should be the way to go. Using nokiaaacenc, you could probably directly save as AAC (or any other of Nokia Encoder better sutied for voice quality audio, such as G.729 or AMR-NB). Combine that with gst-python and we should have something up and running in a few hours :-) (pt... it's a wiki. Don't tell anyone) Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Recording calls
anyone know about an app that can record my calls, I would love to have something like that. I have it on my desktop for skype and is perfect. In my linux box I use this app http://atdot.ch/scr/ Having it somehow integrated on the Maemo phone app would be groundbreaking. So far nobody in the mobile market have released these apps and is so useful, nothing like forwarding a conversation to a third party specially for businesses. Any input would be cool, where can I push the idea to the developers? -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
There is a brainstrom on this http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/call_recording/ and a related talk.maemo.org discussion thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33296 on page 5 there are some instructions on how to do this from command line. I am not aware of an app for this yet Hartti On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com wrote: anyone know about an app that can record my calls, I would love to have something like that. I have it on my desktop for skype and is perfect. In my linux box I use this app http://atdot.ch/scr/ Having it somehow integrated on the Maemo phone app would be groundbreaking. So far nobody in the mobile market have released these apps and is so useful, nothing like forwarding a conversation to a third party specially for businesses. Any input would be cool, where can I push the idea to the developers? -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Recording calls
Well there are no universal laws, so you have to specify to which country laws are you talking about. But there are already many tools to record calls including server side SIP call recordings and call centers also record their conversation (they do disclaim). On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: Recording conversations is a useful tool, but also illegal or highly regulated in many jurisdictions, so that might deter developers somewhat. K On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Hartti Suomela har...@gmail.com wrote: There is a brainstrom on this http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/call_recording/ and a related talk.maemo.org discussion thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33296 on page 5 there are some instructions on how to do this from command line. I am not aware of an app for this yet Hartti On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com wrote: anyone know about an app that can record my calls, I would love to have something like that. I have it on my desktop for skype and is perfect. In my linux box I use this app http://atdot.ch/scr/ Having it somehow integrated on the Maemo phone app would be groundbreaking. So far nobody in the mobile market have released these apps and is so useful, nothing like forwarding a conversation to a third party specially for businesses. Any input would be cool, where can I push the idea to the developers? -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Recording calls
I've managed to record calls by starting the Recorder application and then placing a call and putting it on Speaker phone. It isn't a nicely integrated app, and requires using the speaker, but it works well as a temporary work around. Aldon -Original Message- From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org]on Behalf Of Kahlil Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:12 PM To: Tablet Blog Subject: Recording calls anyone know about an app that can record my calls, I would love to have something like that. I have it on my desktop for skype and is perfect. In my linux box I use this app http://atdot.ch/scr/ Having it somehow integrated on the Maemo phone app would be groundbreaking. So far nobody in the mobile market have released these apps and is so useful, nothing like forwarding a conversation to a third party specially for businesses. Any input would be cool, where can I push the idea to the developers? -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
