Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question

2007-10-24 Thread Mikhail Sobolev
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 04:30:50PM +, Steve Greenland wrote:
 Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian
 unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and
 migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs,
 installs with only other testing packages, etc.)
I'd like to point one [obvious] thing: Debian uses single bug tracking
system for all its packages, hence checking whether a package is having
serious problems is very easy.  For packages in extras{,-testing}
repository this might not be the case.

Cheers

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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question

2007-10-24 Thread Steve Greenland
According to Mikhail Sobolev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 04:30:50PM +, Steve Greenland wrote:
  Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian
  unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and
  migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs,
  installs with only other testing packages, etc.)
 I'd like to point one [obvious] thing: Debian uses single bug tracking
 system for all its packages, hence checking whether a package is having
 serious problems is very easy.  For packages in extras{,-testing}
 repository this might not be the case.

Well, that just means that there would need to be a single BTS for the
extra repository, which would be a good thing. Expecting users to track
down package specific bug trackers is absurd.

I understand Nokia need to keep a separate repo and BTS for official,
corporately supported, anything-else-will-make-your-tablet-explode
packages. So the community needs a seperate repo and BTS. But there
needs to be only one of these.

By only one, I don't mean to limit categorization such as bora vs.
mistral or (possibly) tested vs. unstable. But we don't need a doesn't
different websites with a dozen different BTS and three dozen different
variants of libgtk.

Of course, nobody is forced to use this hypothetical central repo. But
the current situation is not what I'd call user friendly.

Steve



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system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question

2007-10-20 Thread James Sparenberg
On Friday 19 October 2007 09:30:50 Steve Greenland wrote:
 According to Krischan Keitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  The optimum may be between the two - meaning we need some kind of
  a quality management for the community efforts. To approve that
  just verified and checked apps are in the official and universe
  repositories. So that Jill Random and ourselves can benefit from rock
  solid high quality apps. What do you think?

 Who is going to do the testing and certification? It's a lot of work,
 and not particularly rewarding. And I can guarantee that sooner or later
 some developers will feel personally maltreated by any such group.

 Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian
 unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and
 migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs,
 installs with only other testing packages, etc.)

 But I'd settle for just getting people to use one repo, rather than
 setting up there own.

 Regards,
 Steve

Heck I'm hoping for an agreement on how to spell Utilities  (Ok cheap shot 
meant to be humorous not mean.)  But case sensitive does yield fun in this 
area.

James



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Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support and the repository question

2007-10-19 Thread Steve Greenland
According to Krischan Keitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The optimum may be between the two - meaning we need some kind of
 a quality management for the community efforts. To approve that
 just verified and checked apps are in the official and universe
 repositories. So that Jill Random and ourselves can benefit from rock
 solid high quality apps. What do you think?

Who is going to do the testing and certification? It's a lot of work,
and not particularly rewarding. And I can guarantee that sooner or later
some developers will feel personally maltreated by any such group.

Probably the easiest workable solution is something like the Debian
unstable/testing process, whereby packages are uploaded to unstable, and
migrate to testing after meeting certain criteria (no new serious bugs,
installs with only other testing packages, etc.)

But I'd settle for just getting people to use one repo, rather than
setting up there own.

Regards,
Steve
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Steve Greenland
The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
world.   -- seen on the net

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