Re: [Mailman-Users] Updating Sendmail aliases

2003-03-24 Thread Richard Barrett
At 05:35 24/03/2003, ghhalley wrote:
John,

In Mailman 2.1.1 install directory, there are instructions on how
to do this in the README.SENDMAIL  Below is a copy of that info.
INTEGRATING SENDMAIL AND MAILMAN

David Champion has contributed a recipe for more closely
integrating Sendmail and Mailman, such that Sendmail will
automatically recognize and deliver to new mailing lists as they
are created, without having to manually edit alias tables.
In the contrib directory, you will find four files

mm-handler.readme - an explanation of how to set everything up
mm-handler- the mail delivery agent (MDA)
mailman.mc- a toy configuration file sample
virtusertable - a sample for RFC 2142 address exceptions
Hope this is what you want,
Peace
George Halley
You could also try this MM patch as an alternative to dgc's Perl 
implementation of a Sendmail mailer:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=644810group_id=103atid=300103

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[Mailman-Users] Re: filtering Importance headers

2003-03-24 Thread Will Yardley
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 02:47:24PM -0500, Erez Zadok wrote:

 Is there a way that Mailman can remove certain headers before a
 message is posted to a list?  In particular, I want to remove the
 Importance header, which some posters will set to high or
 urgent unnecessarily.  Some MUAs do all kinds of things users
 dislike for high-priority mails.

 Note: I don't want to reject such posts automatically, b/c their
 content may still be valuable, just not as urgent as the sender
 thinks.

My guess is that the easiest way to do this would be using a simple Perl
script, and pipe incoming messages through this script before they hit
Mailman at all. You could also use Procmail / formail.

AFAIK, there's no way to do this within Mailman itself.

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[Mailman-Users] installation problem

2003-03-24 Thread Mike
Hi all, i'm fairly new to using unix servers so this may seem quite newbiesish to you, 
however every time i try to install mailman i get the error below.   I created the 
user it said i should reate as well as the directory.  I set the installation 
directory to allow the user i want to install from, however i still get the error.  If 
anyone could help i would highly appriciate it.  thanks.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.0.13]$ ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2.1
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting services

2003-03-24 Thread John DeCarlo
Hello,

This is probably mostly off-topic, so any commercial replies should 
probably go directly to me.

I have been asked to support multiple school PTAs, each with one to 
three mail lists.

Initially, I have started putting together a proposal for setting up a 
computer in a central location that has someone around to reboot it, etc.

However, I would also like to start costing out an option to simply pay 
a web and Mailman hosting service to host all the lists, register the 
domain, etc.  That way there are professionals dedicated to keeping 
Mailman running and it wouldn't all depend on me.

If anyone has good experience with a service and can give me a 
recommendation, I would very much appreciate it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] installation problem

2003-03-24 Thread Richard Barrett
At 14:30 24/03/2003, Mike wrote:
Hi all, i'm fairly new to using unix servers so this may seem quite 
newbiesish to you, however every time i try to install mailman i get the 
error below.   I created the user it said i should reate as well as the 
directory.  I set the installation directory to allow the user i want to 
install from, however i still get the error.  If anyone could help i would 
highly appriciate it.  thanks.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.0.13]$ ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2.1
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
The problem is that the installation process cannot find a C language 
compiler which will be subsequently needed to run the make install.

If you have a C compiler installed then it may be that it cannot be found 
unless you add the path to it to the PATH environment variable of the user 
you are funning configure as.

Or it may be you need to install the C compiler.

If you need more help then you should identify the type and version of 
Unix-like OS you are running when posting the request for that help.



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[Mailman-Users] I want to learn python and help

2003-03-24 Thread Richard Maynard

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[Mailman-Users] International digest problems

2003-03-24 Thread Kardos Andris
Dear developers!

In digests generated by mailman, it is a quiter irritating problem, that
the subject and the sender's email as in the following example are not
correctly handled in non-us email. On a list where people write in
hungarian (french, slovak, etc.) for example, the mail's body is
correctly readable, but not the subject lines. I know what is the
technological backgroud, you don't have to explain why is it so. But you
could support at least the most common subject encoding variants. Do you
think you can do that for the rest of us outside the US?

Thanks a lot,

Andrs Kardos



Today's Topics:

   1. =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Szem=2Elyig=2Esz=E1m?=
(=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Moln=E1r_Tam=E1s?=)



Today's Topics (correctly):

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list

2003-03-24 Thread Richard Barrett
At 06:20 24/03/2003, Brian Read wrote:

The latest downloadable version of mailman is 2.1.1, try here:

http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/
Usually the sourceforge is the best place to get the latest MM.

See: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

You will also find patches for the latest stable release on sourceforge and 
a CVS repository for the current MM development in progress.


cheers

Brian

At 04:35 24/03/2003, Rod Neep wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], ghhalley 
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Jan,

I found the answer off of the Mailman FAQ search engine.  I am in the
process of implementing this solution.  Below is the link to the
question 3.11
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=newsletter%2Fannouncement
%2Fone-wayquerytype=simplecasefold=yesreq=search
Peace,
George
Hmmm OK. I am trying to do the same thing:
create an announcement list.
The FAQ refers to the following:

  Set the member_moderation_action to Reject and add a nice rejection
  notice text to the following text box.  Say something like this is
  an announcement list, to reach the band, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Set the generic_nonmember_action to Reject or Discard.

Those options do not appear to be available in version 2.0.13 (which is 
the latest downloadable version of Mailman).

I have no problem with the other settings in the configuration, but it 
would be nice to be able to (nicely) auto-reject posts to the list by 
those not specified.

Regards
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[Mailman-Users] Set default to not send welcome letter

2003-03-24 Thread Jan Banan
Hi,

Is it possible to set the default for a list to not send out a welcome 
letter to new subscribers added under Membership Management - Mass
Subscription? 

(I'm sure I otherwise will forget to mark No on Send welcome 
messages to new subscribees? everytime I add people manually.)

  Regards / JB


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Set default to not send welcome letter

2003-03-24 Thread Larry Hansford
At 11:06 AM 3/24/2003, Jan Banan wrote:
Hi,

Is it possible to set the default for a list to not send out a welcome
letter to new subscribers added under Membership Management - Mass
Subscription?
Under General Options, Send welcome message to newly subscribed 
members?, with a yes or no 
http://www.lch-assoc.com/mailman/admin/tftd/?VARHELP=general/send_welcome_msg

That sets the default.

Larry


(I'm sure I otherwise will forget to mark No on Send welcome
messages to new subscribees? everytime I add people manually.)
  Regards / JB


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[Mailman-Users] Install documentation wrong, out of order

2003-03-24 Thread Michael Clark
I installed Mailman from source, downloaded from 
http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz . The bulleted steps in Step 4 
Final system set-up are slightly out of order. Could the bullet 
labelled Create a site-wide mailing list be moved to be before 
Start the Mailman qrunner daemon? Thanks, Michael



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[Mailman-Users] Approved posters, accept_these_nonmembers

2003-03-24 Thread Mark J. Bradakis

While digging around in the FAQ and the archive, it seems there are many
references to setting 'accept_these_nonmembers' to a regular expression.
Does this actually work, and if so, can anyone provide a working example
for Mailman 2.1.1 we are running?

I'm assuming that one feature of majordomo, the ability to have approved
posting addresses included from a file with a list of addresses or the
name of another list, does not have an equivalent in mailman.  Is this
correct?

mjb.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setup an announce list

2003-03-24 Thread Rod Neep
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
At 06:20 24/03/2003, Brian Read wrote:

The latest downloadable version of mailman is 2.1.1, try here:

http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/
Usually the sourceforge is the best place to get the latest MM.

See: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

You will also find patches for the latest stable release on sourceforge 
and a CVS repository for the current MM development in progress.
We are a tiny bit cautious about upgrading from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 on a 
live system.

Are there any problems, or advice on things to be careful of?

Regards
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[Mailman-Users] private archive problem

2003-03-24 Thread b. ash
Hi,

I am having trouble with the private archives,  I keep getting these 
messages, the path is definitely correct, check_perms is okay, and 
httpd.conf seems okay, with its two entries.

Any ideas

# error message below:

Archive File Not Found
No file /tcpp-announce/ 
(/research/common/mailman-2.0.13/archives/private/tcpp-announce/)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] private archive problem

2003-03-24 Thread Rod Neep
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], b. ash 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Hi,

I am having trouble with the private archives,  I keep getting these 
messages, the path is definitely correct, check_perms is okay, and 
httpd.conf seems okay, with its two entries.

Any ideas

# error message below:

Archive File Not Found
No file /tcpp-announce/ 
(/research/common/mailman-2.0.13/archives/private/tcpp-announce/)

I would be very interested in seeing a reply to this, as I have the same 
problem but in reverse!

If a list is set to private archives then all is OK
http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/private/[list-name]/
If a list is set to public then it results in a 404 URL not found.
http://www.british-genealogy.com/pipermail/[list-name]/
Regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Install documentation wrong, out of order

2003-03-24 Thread Todd
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Michael Clark wrote:
 I installed Mailman from source, downloaded from 
 http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz . The bulleted steps in Step 4 
 Final system set-up are slightly out of order. Could the bullet 
 labelled Create a site-wide mailing list be moved to be before 
 Start the Mailman qrunner daemon?

This is already fixed in CVS:


http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/INSTALL?rev=2.24content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

Barry's quick! (in a good way ;-)

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[Mailman-Users] Web interface

2003-03-24 Thread abid
I believe I installed mailman correctly,  I can create a list and add member
from the shell.  I can't seem to figure out how to use the webaccess.  I did
as install notes told me.  My data files are in /usr/local/mailman.  The
user is in /home/mailman.  What URL do I go to administer mailman.  Any info
would be greatly appreciated.

TIA
AB


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[Mailman-Users] Plain Text

2003-03-24 Thread Staven Bruce
We have a RedHat 8.0 Linux server running the latest version of Mailman atop
a Sendmail MTA. Whenever I send a message to a mailing list, it always
arrives to the recipients in plain text, even when I'm using another font. I
compose the messages in Outlook usually, and want to be able to use
different colored backgrounds, different fonts, etc. Can I do this with
Mailman? 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface

2003-03-24 Thread Larry Hansford
At 05:03 PM 3/24/2003, abid wrote:
I believe I installed mailman correctly,  I can create a list and add member
from the shell.  I can't seem to figure out how to use the webaccess.  I did
as install notes told me.  My data files are in /usr/local/mailman.  The
user is in /home/mailman.  What URL do I go to administer mailman.  Any info
would be greatly appreciated.
You should be able to go to http://www.yourdomain.com/mailman/admin/list_name

If you added yourself to the list, you should have received an e-mail with 
the link to your web maintenance page.  If not, you need to verify that 
Mailman is running -- use a  ps auxww|grep mailman to verify it is running.

Larry


TIA
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[Mailman-Users] Before Upgrading from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1

2003-03-24 Thread Tom Hanna
Hi, good people,
Looks like the community is highly focused on and motivated about the 2.1.1 
version.

I do the day-to-day Mailman list management and list creation. I do not do 
the installs. I championed a recent upgrade, and need your input:

We have a linux/POSTFIX server, and our upgrade from the late 1.xx on a 
linux/sendmail server to 2.1b6 on linux/postfix server was, according to my 
key person, non-trivial.  Therefore I hesitate to ask for the upgrade 
from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1.  Can users and guiders tell me:

1. How valuable is it to move up from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1, given our POSTFIX 
environment on a linux box?

2. In the operational setting, is the upgrade install from 2.1b6 POSTFIX to 
2.1.1 POSTFIX trivial?  Or non-trivial? Please explain. (Don't want to 
overload my most valuable colleague! ;)

ICYAW*, I found 186 recent postfix queries on this list on version 
upgrades, and this is way more than I can sift to answer my own questions.

TIA
Tom
*In Case You Are Wondering

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved posters, accept_these_nonmembers

2003-03-24 Thread Nathan Neulinger
There is a patch I submitted on the sf page that should allow you to
specify include the members of this other list as an approved poster.

As far as I know, using regex patterns in those fields works fine. 

-- Nathan

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 14:34, Mark J. Bradakis wrote:
 While digging around in the FAQ and the archive, it seems there are many
 references to setting 'accept_these_nonmembers' to a regular expression.
 Does this actually work, and if so, can anyone provide a working example
 for Mailman 2.1.1 we are running?
 
 I'm assuming that one feature of majordomo, the ability to have approved
 posting addresses included from a file with a list of addresses or the
 name of another list, does not have an equivalent in mailman.  Is this
 correct?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Before Upgrading from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1

2003-03-24 Thread Matthew Davis
* Tom Hanna ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 1. How valuable is it to move up from 2.1b6 to 2.1.1, given our POSTFIX 
 environment on a linux box?

I'd say very valuable given 2.1.1 is the stable version with many fixes,
security fixes included.  Plus the version supported by the list.

 2. In the operational setting, is the upgrade install from 2.1b6 POSTFIX to 
 2.1.1 POSTFIX trivial?  Or non-trivial? Please explain. (Don't want to 
 overload my most valuable colleague! ;)

My upgrade from 2.0.13 - 2.1.1 was non-trivial.  If you install on-top of
your previous install, make sure your aliases are correct.  And I believe
there were a number of questions on the list about the auto generation of
aliases for postfix with 2.1 (which is very nice by the way, once you get
all the little bugs worked out).  Mainly the big problem is a permission
issue with the alias file.  Not really too hard to fix.

If your going to install to another location, 'bin/dumpdb' might save you a
bit of work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] International digest problems

2003-03-24 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Hi,

What version are you using ? Mailman 2.1.1 can handle
non-ascii TOC, I believe.
Kardos Andris wrote:
Dear developers!

In digests generated by mailman, it is a quiter irritating problem, that
the subject and the sender's email as in the following example are not
correctly handled in non-us email. On a list where people write in
hungarian (french, slovak, etc.) for example, the mail's body is
correctly readable, but not the subject lines. I know what is the
technological backgroud, you don't have to explain why is it so. But you
could support at least the most common subject encoding variants. Do you
think you can do that for the rest of us outside the US?
Thanks a lot,

Andrs Kardos



Today's Topics:

   1. =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Szem=2Elyig=2Esz=E1m?=
(=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Moln=E1r_Tam=E1s?=)


Today's Topics (correctly):

  1. Szemlyigszm (Molnr Tams)

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[Mailman-Users] archive path

2003-03-24 Thread kenneth
Hello all,

I have a setup using Mailman 2.1 and have the following situation:

List-Id: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids.orchidguide.com
List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Archive: http://potto-webdesign.com/mailman/public/orchids
List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

As you can see the List-Archive line point to the hostname and not the 
the list domain.

How do I fix this ?
I tried modifying mm_cfg.py to no avail as I only seem to break the program.


kind regards,

Kenneth.

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[Mailman-Users] date header missing in digest

2003-03-24 Thread kenneth

Hello,

Using mailman 2.1 does anybody else also have the problem of missing date 
headers in the digest ?

The individual messages sent out DO contain a date, but I think by looking at 
these that it is the original date supplied by the sender.
Now the digests do not contain that date.

How do I add this ?


It is rather stupid because if I accidentely sort my mailbox on date then all 
digests are either on top or all at the bottom of the list, making an overview 
impossible.


kind regards,

Kenneth.

PS: if anybody knows where and how I could add 'Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=iso-8859-1' to be included in each and every digest then please let 
me know as well.
Previous suggestions never worked.

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