Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password

2004-01-26 Thread Simon White
25-Jan-04 at 22:21, Ed Wilts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:17:34PM -0500, Brian Haines wrote:
  I am very interested in the topic of configuring Mailman to allow
  subscribe/unsubscribe requests without a password. From the archives Simon
  White offered something of a solution and was willing to share it, but his
  email was not in the message (as it should be).

Have you seen how much spam I get already, without leaving my email
open to even more harvesters? It's inconvenient but I don't have time to
create some clever anti spam scheme at the moment (server too low spec
for any kind of heuristics).

  I would be interested in Simon's or any other's solutions or thoughts on a
  solution.

I put up a web page here:

http://mediadev.homelinux.net/mailman.html

 You should be aware that there are morons out there that will try to
 spam your lists with messages and probably fake subscribe/unsubscribe
 messages. If you allow for an Internet-wide subscribe without
 confirmation, you could easily be classified a spammer and end up on
 blackhole lists.  You better know what you're doing before you dig into
 this.  It isn't that hard for a user to subscribe or unsubscribe
 themselves.  Admins, of course, can do it for them with the utilities I
 listed above or via the web pages.

You make an important point, Ed. However, there are a number of
mitigating circumstances for most admins. They do not want to have to
handle subs/unsubs manually. If a spammer starts to abuse a list managed
by a conscientious admin, then the potential problems that arise are
usually minimised. I haven't made it too easy to allow unconfirmed
subs/unsubs in my scripts because of this. You have to have root access
to the console in order to install the scripts, and I haven't released a
patch to the Mailman source. (As an aside, I did send a patch for the
remove_members script on a separate issue, never got any feedback about
that).

Are spammers are going to make a bad name for Mailman if they download
and screw around with my scripts? Perhaps. But they could equally do
damage (and in a less complex manner) with the standard tools available
with Mailman. So I don't consider that I'm lowering the bar here.

In my opinion, for most lists that I have ever managed or sub-managed
for a manager that isn't a techie, subscribing and unsubscribing is
hard. Indeed, unsubscribing requires a password, something that a lot of
newbies or even longtime casual web users are visibly not able to
fathom. The law in some countries implies that email unsubscription
should be simpler than that.

I put the emphasis on unsubscribing anyway. Automating subscription
without a confirmation email (which is just a simple reply mechanism) is
probably NOT a good idea. Automating subscription before making all
posts require approval is NOT a good idea. 

I automate subscription without confirmation on my install on the
provisos that all it is a once monthly announce list only. Also, the
confirmation email is in English (or was at the time), whereas the list
subscribers are all French, so every new subscription caused emails to
the admin saying there was a bug in the subscription and they had this
strange English error message.

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[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

2004-01-26 Thread Hannes Calitz
When trying to create a new list, I get the following error.
HEEEPPP
Thanks

Hannes


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py,
line 55, in main
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py,
line 217, in process_request
  File
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line
226, in create
  File
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line
47, in _update_maps
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)



Python information:
Variable
Value
sys.version
2.2.2 (#1, Apr 18 2003, 08:23:15) [GCC 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE
Linux)] 
sys.executable
/usr/bin/python 
sys.prefix
/usr 
sys.exec_prefix
/usr 
sys.path
/usr 
sys.platform
linux2 

Environment variables:
Variable
Value
HTTP_ACCEPT 
image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword,
application/x-shockwave-flash, */* 
CONTENT_TYPE 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
HTTP_REFERER 
http://mail.interexcel.co.za/mailman/create 
SERVER_SOFTWARE 
Apache/1.3.27 (Linux/SuSE) PHP/4.3.1 mod_perl/1.27 mod_jk/1.2.2-dev 
PYTHONPATH 
/usr/lib/mailman 
SCRIPT_FILENAME 
/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create 
SERVER_ADMIN 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
SCRIPT_NAME 
/mailman/create 
SERVER_SIGNATURE 
Apache/1.3.27 Server at mail.interexcel.co.za Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 
POST 
HTTP_HOST 
mail.interexcel.co.za 
SERVER_PROTOCOL 
HTTP/1.1 
QUERY_STRING 

HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL 
no-cache 
REQUEST_URI 
/mailman/create 
CONTENT_LENGTH 
158 
HTTP_USER_AGENT 
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) 
HTTP_CONNECTION 
Keep-Alive 
SERVER_NAME 
mail.interexcel.co.za 
REMOTE_ADDR 
196.25.43.3 
REMOTE_PORT 
1776 
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
en-za 
SERVER_ADDR 
160.124.109.10 
SERVER_PORT 
80 
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
CGI/1.1 
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
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UNIQUE_ID 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

2004-01-26 Thread Detlef Neubauer
Hannes Calitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 When trying to create a new list, I get the following error.

...

 RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
 /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

Oh, i know this.

Read http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#6.9


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[Mailman-Users] Changing host_name ... the hard way

2004-01-26 Thread Bill Whitacre
I moved a Mac OS X Server box running Panther from one IP to another 
and am still getting the 'old' host_name showing up on all maillists.

I can't use the admin form to change it because it tries to submit the 
change back to a URL that has the old host_name!

Does anybody know where the host_name info is stored and how to change 
it in terminal?

Thanks.

bw

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Changing host_name ... the hard way

2004-01-26 Thread Remko Lodder
in the bin directory lives a fix_url file, perhaps that works?

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I moved a Mac OS X Server box running Panther from one IP to another
and am still getting the 'old' host_name showing up on all maillists.

I can't use the admin form to change it because it tries to submit the
change back to a URL that has the old host_name!

Does anybody know where the host_name info is stored and how to change
it in terminal?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Undeliverable Mail

2004-01-26 Thread Nik Engel
* Nik Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004-01-14  (08:51:41PM):

 Any ideas how I can delete or stop this ? the mail is not stuck in the
 mailq; that means it is coming from mailman again and again; is there a
 queue too ? 
Anyway how is the procedure when bounces happen? Does somebody get
informed ? Is there a possibility that the owner of the lists gets
notified ? 

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.4 under Mac OS X Server 10.3.2

2004-01-26 Thread B.J. Ash
Hello,

I have tried to upgrade my existing Mac OS X Server Mailman (v. 2.1.2) 
to v.2.1.4 and I received the following error while in make install:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File bin/update, line 45, in ?
import paths
  File /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py, line 55, in ?
import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese
make: *** [update] Error 1
I did some research on this and under OS X 10.2 it was a problem with 
the Python lib architecture set to i386 and PPC at the same time.  This 
isn't the case in OS X 10.3.

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions would be very much appreciated on a 
workaround as my list is down right now :-)

TIA.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman

2004-01-26 Thread danny
Hi,

I have used Mailman for our organization private mailing list name [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Now I have change my hosting and I would like to ask how I can transfer my mailing 
list file to the new hosting.  The New hosting also has Mailman as their mailing list.

Looking forward to your assistance.  Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] problems using mailman

2004-01-26 Thread vacations
Hello,

I have a site with shared hosting through pronic solutions which usees Mailman as the 
mailing list including in my hosting package.

I have tried to set up my mailing list, but have had no success sending a posting.  I 
sent it to the list name [EMAIL PROTECTED], but the mail was returned rejected.  I 
made sure then to send it from the recognized list owners email address and nothing 
happened at all.  I did not receive a rejected message, but the posting was not sent 
to the list, and I don't see anything in pending tasks.

Secondly,  I don't want list members to have to have a password to subscribe on 
unsubcribe, according to your website this is not required in version 2.1.  Pronic is 
using 2.1.2 and I don't see how to turn this requirement off.

I appreciate your assistance in getting my enewsletter mailing list up and running.

Thank you
Kimya Morris
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[Mailman-Users] cron script

2004-01-26 Thread root
Hi List,

I installed mailman out of the box from my suse 8.1 system.
Downloaded compiled and installed the newest version 2.1.4.
Mailman actually works fine but every minute i get a mail with the 
following content.

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 89, in ?
   from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
 File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 26, in ?
   from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO
Whats wrong? did I made a mistacke?

Cu 

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[Mailman-Users] Administrative requests for all lists

2004-01-26 Thread Moritz Engel
like many people, I maintain a number of mailman lists. It would be so
nice if it would be possible to have a page where all administrative
pending requests form all lists are mentioned. Especially that I have to
log in to every list with administrative privileges separately is very
time vasting.

If there is a feature implemented or you have got an idea, please mail
back.

Thanks,
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman

2004-01-26 Thread Remko Lodder
perhaps the archives, public and private, and the lists/$yourlist thing?

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Hi,

I have used Mailman for our organization private mailing list name
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Now I have change my hosting and I would like to
ask how I can transfer my mailing list file to the new hosting.  The New
hosting also has Mailman as their mailing list.

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[Mailman-Users] errors on make install

2004-01-26 Thread reeprflame
when i install 2.1.4 i get this following error on make install command:


Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File bin/update, line 48, in ?
from Mailman import MailList
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 49, in ?
from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py, line 17, in ?
from Archiver import *
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 36, in ?
from Mailman.i18n import _
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 52, in ?
set_language()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 34, in set_language
_translation = gettext.translation('mailman', mm_cfg.MESSAGES_DIR,
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'MESSAGES_DIR'
make: *** [update] Error 1


i have no idea how to fix this and have tried redownloading and
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Undeliverable Mail

2004-01-26 Thread Paul H Byerly
Nik Engel wrote:
Anyway how is the procedure when bounces happen? Does somebody get
informed ? Is there a possibility that the owner of the lists gets
notified ?
 You really don't want to be notified of every bounce, trust me.  You 
can be notified of suspensions and removals for bouncing, if you like.  See 
http://server/mailman/admin/listname/bounce for information and settings.

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[Mailman-Users] re: change welcome message email subject line

2004-01-26 Thread Craig Elkins
Hi,

I've found documentation on how to change the subject line in the subscibe email 
welcome message but I'm afraid it was over my head.  It suggested going to the 
appropriate language mailman.po file, changing the welcome message then running some 
command.

1. I can't find an english (no en) directory in the messages directory
2. I'm afraid to run the command they refered to.  can someone tell me what command, 
using telnet, i should run after updating this mailman.po file?

Thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman looped

2004-01-26 Thread Brian Haines
I have an announce only list of about 80,000 email addresses. I just
started using Mailman and ran our list for the first time using it on
Saturday. The program was still sending mail on Monday morning and I noticed
that I received many of the same autoresponders, four and five times. And
today (Monday) we had many of our members report that they received the
message several times.

I will try to give as much of the configuration as I can think of to give.
Please forgive me as this is the first time using Mailman, and my first time
administering a full Web server (I have much experience in shared
hosting/virtual hosting).

Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES 2.1, 1.3 GHz, 40 GB HD, 512 DDR RAM
Mailman version 2.0.13
Sendmail version 8.11.6, config V9/Berkeley
Apache version 1.3.27

I am not sure that is all anyone needs to try and help me.

Thanks for any and all suggestions in advance!

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[Mailman-Users] Two problems with 2.1.3

2004-01-26 Thread Mark Leisher
gcc 3.2.2
Python 2.3
Solaris 2.8
Two problems have come up in the past two days:
1. Non-critical.  When a confirmation message arrives, there is a spurious 
colon on the end of the mailto:.. link.

2. Critical. Since rebooting a couple days ago, mailman can no longer write in 
the subdirectories of qfiles/ despite both owner and group being mailman.
Another oddity is that the lock files in locks/ are being created with a date 
24 hours in the future no matter what the system clock says.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Two problems with 2.1.3

2004-01-26 Thread Erick Mechler
:: 2. Critical. Since rebooting a couple days ago, mailman can no longer write 
:: in the subdirectories of qfiles/ despite both owner and group being mailman.

Is the qrunner process running with the right UID/GID?  I'd check your 
startup script.

:: Another oddity is that the lock files in locks/ are being created with a 
:: date 24 hours in the future no matter what the system clock says.

Is NFS involved?

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[Mailman-Users] Unknown virtual host

2004-01-26 Thread Mark Edwards
I've used the web interface to successfully add lists in the past, but 
for some reason today I got to do it and I get:

Error: Unknown virtual host: secure.antsclimbtree.com

secure.antsclimbtree.com is the SSL domain at my site, and it 
definitely works otherwise.  Mail goes to that domain successfully.

I tried adding via the newlist command line program, and that worked 
fine.

Anyone know what this error means?  Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman looped

2004-01-26 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:22 PM -0500 2004/01/26, Brian Haines wrote:

 I will try to give as much of the configuration as I can think of to give.
 Please forgive me as this is the first time using Mailman, and my first time
 administering a full Web server (I have much experience in shared
 hosting/virtual hosting).
	To track this down, you need to know as much as you can about the 
duplicate messages.  Specifically, you need to know the complete 
contents of all the headers in those messages.  If you can track 
message-ids and queue-ids (assigned by the mail servers where the 
messages passed through), it should be able to determine where the 
duplicates were generated, and that is the first step to figuring out 
why.

	Your log data might also be able to help.

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