Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questionsThanks for the response! In the link you included it said I can configure Mailman to remove the footer, but it does not say how. Can you direct me? Jen - Original Message - From: Brad Knowles To: Jen Onsum Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions At 4:46 PM -0500 2004-07-19, Jen Onsum wrote: 2) When mass subscribing people, everyone is automatically set to receive plain mailings. Is there a way for people not to be automatically set to receive plain mailings when mass subscribing? It's getting really annoying going through and unchecking 'plain' for thousands of subscribers. This is only for the digest mode. When the list is created, you can choose what kind of digest mode to use by default. You can also set the default digest mode that will be used for all new subscribers after the configuration change, in the Digest Options section of the web admin page for your list. 3) Mailman is adding a footer to my mailings when it sends them out. How can I stop it from doing this? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Delay in mailman passing messages
Every since switching to mailman, I have been vexed by a performance problem. Originally, I thought it was my old server. It was getting long in the tooth and in the need of retiring. Last month I replaced it and got my lists up and running with no problem on the new server. However, my problem did not go away. Specifically my problem is there is a delay of anywhere from 15 minutes to several hours in Mailman's processing of a message. Mail receives the message but then takes a long time passing it to sendmail. I am not talking about delivery time - That can take an additional 5 hours but is a different issue. I am talking about the time it takes for Mailman to process the message. After my signature are Received: lines from example messages. A couple of notes and/or important info: 1.I have tried the Run a sendmail receiver just for Mailman suggestion found in the FAQs. Nothing changes in the delay. 2.Have tried running multiple copies(4 qrunners) of the qrunners. No change. 3.Virtually no change in behavior in the delay between a 450 MHZ server running 6.1 Linux with 1 meg memory to 3 GHZ server running 9.0 Linux with 1 meg memory. 4.Nothing out of the ordinary about the messages with the longest delays as best I can tell. They come form all over the globe from all kinds of email systems and encompass all types of emails. There are no errors in the error logs. 5.No messages or clues in any of the logs for that matter. They just read like everything is a pretty day in the park 6.A total of 8 lists that are small: Biggest is 500 subscribers with 30-50 messages a day 7.The messages are scanned for viruses and SPAM but according to maillog that takes only a second or two and then the message is passed to mailman. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net Here are the examples. YOST is my PC, heavyiron.atis.net is the server that runs mailman and is the sendmail host and the priority 1 mx host for the domain Pretty quick example(about 25 minutes) === Received: from heavyiron.atis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JFwMQ7009466;Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:58:22 -0400 Received: from YOST ([192.168.2.203]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JFYF3667; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:15 -0400 A Slow message(6 hours) == Received: from heavyiron.atis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JA0ZGJ005199;Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:00:35 -0400 Received: from YOST ([192.168.2.203]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6J3r2Lf026350for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:53:02 -0400 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Runaway OutgoingRunner process
At 10:43 PM -0400 2004-07-20, David Carter wrote: I seem to have a process that has a mind of its own. It keeps consuming CPU (as much as it can get), but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. No logs are getting updated, and no actions are being performed. Have you checked the page at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.041.htp and confirmed that your problem is not one of the ones described? -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] covert/modify config dump to pickle
In moving lists from one host to another (older MM2.0 to 2.1) I noticed that while update will convert lists, it leaves bad remnants of the old host within the config.pck ie the hostname. This includes the web_page_url and hostnames of umbrella lists if you have sublists. The result being once I reach the admin page of a list on the new host, passing the cursor over various options (eg membership) shows the links point to the old host. I found a brute force way to modify this using the vim editor to do global substitutions but there must be a cleaner way to completely convert things. If not, consider this a wishlist for something to take dumpdb output and push it into a config.db/pck =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David SternUniversity of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Automatic rejecting of non-subscriber messages
I am still running an older version of mailman until we upgrade to a new server in a month or so, but I have a need to reject 100% of the non-subscribers on at least one of the listservs. There are a few ways I could do this: The first is to intercept the message before it hits the list, parse the from: address, and compare it with the subscribers for that list (I already have code that extracts the email address and passwords for some web sites). The second, and probably more preferable would to find a hook in mailman python code. The reason I need to do this is we have a moderated list, and the non-member posts are taking quite a bit of the moderator's time. -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 pgpsa8PrfxF2l.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info?
I don't know if this is possible but I'd like to ask anyway. Although I can disable sending rfc2369 using Mailman I'd rather not. Is there a way of removing certain parts of it and am I allowed to do that? If still interested: I wish to remove the url references to the webserver for unsubscribing as this will not be available to subscribers. Unsubbing and all other requests will be acceptable of course via email . I've read thru the rfc and I'm a bit confused as to whether to use whitespace instead of the urls/ delete them or add a leading comment. Any pointers or help greatly appreciated as I've looked thru faqs/ archives/ googles etc and can't quite find what I want. Thanks This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender-- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Runaway OutgoingRunner process
That was one of the first places I looked. Nothing. Dave At 04:21 AM 7/21/2004, Brad Knowles wrote: At 10:43 PM -0400 2004-07-20, David Carter wrote: I seem to have a process that has a mind of its own. It keeps consuming CPU (as much as it can get), but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. No logs are getting updated, and no actions are being performed. Have you checked the page at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.041.htp and confirmed that your problem is not one of the ones described? -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. David Carter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Modeling Engineer OPNET Technologies, Inc. http://www.opnet.com/ phone 240.497.3000 x2743 = Register for OPNET's Online Technology Workshops http://www.opnet.com/TechWorkshops/ = Register for OPNETWORK 2004 (Aug 30 - Sept 3, Washington DC) http://www.opnet.com/opnetwork2004/ = -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic rejecting of non-subscriber messages
On Jul 21, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: I am still running an older version of mailman until we upgrade to a new server in a month or so, but I have a need to reject 100% of the non-subscribers on at least one of the listservs. There are a few ways I could do this: The first is to intercept the message before it hits the list, parse the from: address, and compare it with the subscribers for that list (I already have code that extracts the email address and passwords for some web sites). The second, and probably more preferable would to find a hook in mailman python code. The reason I need to do this is we have a moderated list, and the non-member posts are taking quite a bit of the moderator's time. Go to Privacy options - Sender filters, look towards the bottom of the page for 'generic_nonmember_action'. -Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Listinfo page
I see the html attachment was stripped, here's the listinfo.html page attached as a .txt file. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brendan Chard Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Listinfo page Using Mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD I am attempting to edit the listinfo.html template file so that the edit subscriber options form appears before the subscription form as this is more practical for supporting my user base. I have successfully switched the two forms on the listinfo page and made minor edits to make it more user friendly but have encountered one problem. If a user enters an address that is not subscribed to the list and then presses the Unsubscribe or Edit Options button (which I have renamed to Edit My Options) a bug traceback screen results. In the original unedited listinfo page if the address is not subscribed mailman is able to tell the user this without producing a bug traceback. A modified listinfo page for one of the lists is available for viewing here: http://groups.michbar.org/mailman/listinfo/aces Attached is my modified listinfo.html template file and the traceback report. Any help in pointing out how I might have incorrectly modified the listinfo.html file to cause this error is greatly appreciated. -Brendan !-- $Revision: 2.4 $ -- HTML HEAD TITLEMM-List-Name Info Page/TITLE /HEAD BODY BGCOLOR=#ff P TABLE COLS=1 BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=4 CELLPADDING=5 TR TD COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#99CCFF ALIGN=CENTER BFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=+1MM-List-Name -- MM-List-Description/FONT/B /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 pnbsp; /td /tr tr TD COLSPAN=1 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 BFONT COLOR=#00About MM-List-Name/FONT/B /TD TD COLSPAN=1 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 MM-lang-form-startMM-displang-box MM-list-langs MM-form-end MM-Options-Form-Start /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 PMM-List-Info/P p To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the MM-ArchiveMM-List-Name Archives/MM-Archive. MM-Restricted-List-Message /p /TD /TR TR TD COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 BFONT COLOR=#00Using MM-List-Name/FONT/B /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 To post a message to all the list members, send email to A HREF=mailto:MM-Posting-AddrMM-Posting-Addr/A. pYou can subscribe to the list, or change your existing subscription, in the sections below. /td /tr TR TD COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 a name=subscribers BFONT COLOR=#00MM-List-Name Subscribers :: Edit Options/FONT/B/a /TD /TR tr TD COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=100% p MM-Editing-Options MM-Form-End /td /tr MM-Subscribe-Form-Start TR TD COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 BFONT COLOR=#00Subscribing to MM-List-Name/FONT/B /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 P Subscribe to MM-List-Name by filling out the following form. MM-List-Subscription-Msg ul TABLE BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=2 CELLPADDING=2 WIDTH=70% HEIGHT= 112 TR TD BGCOLOR=#dd WIDTH=55%Your email address b(required)/b:/TD TD WIDTH=33%MM-Subscribe-Box /TD TD WIDTH=12%nbsp;/TD/TR tr td bgcolor=#dd width=55%Your name b(required)/b:/td td width=33%mm-fullname-box/td TD WIDTH=12%nbsp;/TD/TR TR TD COLSPAN=3FONT SIZE=-1You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security, but should prevent others from messing with your subscription. bDo not use a valuable password/b as it will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext. pIf you choose not to enter a password, one will be automatically generated for you, and it will be sent to you once you've confirmed your subscription. You can always request a mail-back of your password when you edit your personal options. MM-Reminder /TD /TR TR TD BGCOLOR=#ddPick a password:/TD TDMM-New-Password-Box/TD TDnbsp;/TD/TR TR TD BGCOLOR=#ddReenter password to confirm:/TD TDMM-Confirm-Password/TD TDnbsp; /TD/TR tr TD BGCOLOR=#ddWhich language do you prefer to display your messages?/TD TD MM-list-langs/TD
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info?
On Jul 21, 2004, at 8:26 AM, Rob Hackney wrote: I don't know if this is possible but I'd like to ask anyway. Although I can disable sending rfc2369 using Mailman I'd rather not. Is there a way of removing certain parts of it and am I allowed to do that? If still interested: I wish to remove the url references to the webserver for unsubscribing as this will not be available to subscribers. Unsubbing and all other requests will be acceptable of course via email . I've read thru the rfc and I'm a bit confused as to whether to use whitespace instead of the urls/ delete them or add a leading comment. Any pointers or help greatly appreciated as I've looked thru faqs/ archives/ googles etc and can't quite find what I want. I'm pretty sure you'd have to modify the CookHeaders handler to do anything different with those headers. -Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] List signature as attachment?
Messages that come from Outlook (via Exchange) in HTML format through a Mailman 2.1 list have the list footer added as an attachment to the email as it comes through the list. Didn't do this under version 2.0. Any way to stop this from happening on those emails? Thanks, Darren Young Senior UNIX Administrator University of Chicago Graduate School of Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 773-702-0331 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Wish List
On 21 Jul 2004 at 4:22, Brad Knowles wrote: Hmm. If I am answering too many questions, then maybe it is time for me to leave. No, Brad, I wouldn't want you to do that. Barry can't be on this list very much due to work/time conflicts, and I think you'll agree that his time is better spent working on creating code for upcoming versions of Mailman, working out strategies for incorporating chunks of code from other people, etc I understand that completely and definitely agree. One of the things that makes the open source community work so well is people like you who are willing to share their knowledge of a package while the developers continue to dedicate their efforts to improvements. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Mailman Web Interface not working
The web interface for mailman is not working... its shows all the details fine, but doesnot commit the changes i make, like i can not change setting of users, approve/reject messages, anything... I do not see any error messages anywhere in the logs.. Pls help Sunil Ranta -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] List signature as attachment?
Darren Young wrote: Messages that come from Outlook (via Exchange) in HTML format through a Mailman 2.1 list have the list footer added as an attachment to the email as it comes through the list. Didn't do this under version 2.0. Any way to stop this from happening on those emails? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.005.htp and http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Web Interface not working
At 8:41 PM +0530 2004-07-21, root wrote: The web interface for mailman is not working... its shows all the details fine, but doesnot commit the changes i make, like i can not change setting of users, approve/reject messages, anything... See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.045.htp. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] phantom moderation requests
I'm just reiterating this question. Has anyone else had this issue? I am using mailman-2.1.5. Moderation request emails are occasionally being sent to the administrator/moderator at 8:00am for nonexistent moderation requests. In other words, nothing shows up under Tend to pending moderator requests on the web interface after receiving one of these emails. This has happened on several lists that I have recently set up and haven't used yet (no members). I have searched and cannot find anything in the mailman-users archives for this issue. Does anyone know what causes this or if it might be possible to make these moderation emails cease? Thanks Nathan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] what is the way mailman deliver the messages?
Hello folks I just started to use mailman. I have near 2200 suscribers, I am using mailman mostly like a newsletter. I'd like to know which is the way mailman proceds to deliver the messages I send. The problem is that my server only allows to send messages to no more than 300 destinataries per hour. Since I have 2200, I'd like to know if mailman use any algorithm to deliver the messages during an among of time (for example, deliver to 200 destinataries per hour till it reachs the total -2200) Thanks David. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] phantom moderation requests
At 11:25 AM -0600 2004-07-21, Nathan wrote: Moderation request emails are occasionally being sent to the administrator/moderator at 8:00am for nonexistent moderation requests. In other words, nothing shows up under Tend to pending moderator requests on the web interface after receiving one of these emails. This has happened on several lists that I have recently set up and haven't used yet (no members). This is the -1 requests problem? I've seen the discussions on the list in the past, including some mention of solutions. I do not remember precisely what they were or when, but they should be able to be found using the mechanisms discussed at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.018.htp. I don't know when I might get some time to try to find the various relevant postings, but if you find them before I do, I would ask you to update the FAQ with an appropriate entry. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] what is the way mailman deliver the messages?
At 12:49 PM -0500 2004-07-21, David Elias Sanchez Vasquez wrote: I just started to use mailman. I have near 2200 suscribers, I am using mailman mostly like a newsletter. That's a typical use. I'd like to know which is the way mailman proceds to deliver the messages I send. The problem is that my server only allows to send messages to no more than 300 destinataries per hour. Since I have 2200, I'd like to know if mailman use any algorithm to deliver the messages during an among of time (for example, deliver to 200 destinataries per hour till it reachs the total -2200) Mailman has no way to control this. Depending on how you have configured various settings, Mailman may dump 100 or 500 recipients or more into what it considers to be a single outgoing message. The MTA which receives this long list of subscribers might then break that up into smaller chunks of five or ten recipients for some medium-size sites, fifty or a hundred or more recipients for large sites, and lots of smaller sites with just one or two recipients. Your ISP would look at this flow of outgoing messages, and could decide to count this in a variety of ways. They could count the total number of recipients, regardless of the number of messages. They could count the number of connection attempts, regardless of number of recipients. They could do something else. If you want to do rate limiting, you need to do that within the MTA. Mailman has no features to allow you to control this. If your MTA does not provide any features to allow you to control this, you should consider upgrading your account, switching ISPs to one that does not rate limit you, or moving your list to a hosting provider (see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.017.htp). -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists
At 11:23 AM -0700 2004-07-21, Alexander Storman wrote: We are looking for a way to password protect sending of messages in Mailman. Is there a way to setup a password inside the email body for outgoing messages? I'm not aware of anything, no. Do I have any options other than forcing a moderation flag on all users and making list administrators approve these via the web interface? Within mailman, that's the only solution I know of. What are other people doing in this situation? IMO, the better solution is to implement anti-virus scanning software on your mail server, so that these things are caught and dealt with before they ever get the chance of getting to Mailman. The information at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.012.htp is oriented towards using amavisd and SpamAssassin in an anti-spam configuration, but you can also use amavisd to tie into anti-virus scanning solutions, such as ClamAV. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing
Hello! I have a problem, and i still can't get the right answer for it, maybe you could help me. I needed do edit a message of an archive today, so i did the change, and saved it. Later, i had to run the bin/arch script to regenerate the archive of the list i had to edit a message. Thats what i did, providing bin/arch mylist [mbox]. Now, i have got a problem with that: The numeration of the mails got changed. All links which pointed to a specific mail don't work anymore, because it seems there -3633 after the arch'ing. Meaning: Mail 9659 got, after i had arched, 6026. I can't figure out, what caused it, but i still have the problem that the links are broken after this change. Is there any possiblity to get the numeration like it was before? Or is it possible to say the script, it has to start counting from Mail Number 3633, ( i mean giving the (first!) mail the number 3633, to get the old order) ? I am really desesperating on this problem - As far, -s and -e can't help in this case. Sincerly yours, Ronny -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists
At 02:23 PM 7/21/2004, Alexander Storman wrote: Hi All, We are having issues with email being spoofed from M$ viruses that have managed to get most of our company email addresses. Viruses are getting through since they are spoofed as addresses that have unmoderated approval to send to the list. We are looking for a way to password protect sending of messages in Mailman. Is there a way to setup a password inside the email body for outgoing messages? In a word, yes. Moderate everyone. When you send a message to the list make Approved: your_admin_or_moderator_password the first line at the top of your message. Better still, put that line in your headers if you can. A couple of blank lines should follow, then the body of your message. Mailman will remove the Approved line before sending out the message. A word of caution.. You might test this on a list where exposing your password will not be a problem. It is my understanding that this tactic may not work with some mail clients and even though the message should be held if it doesn't work, it's just better to be on the safe side. Tim -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Storman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hi All, We are having issues with email being spoofed from M$ viruses that have managed to get most of our company email addresses. Viruses are getting through since they are spoofed as addresses that have unmoderated approval to send to the list. We are looking for a way to password protect sending of messages in Mailman. Is there a way to setup a password inside the email body for outgoing messages? Do I have any options other than forcing a moderation flag on all users and making list administrators approve these via the web interface? What are other people doing in this situation? It happens to us all of the time... Set the max message size to 15Kb then the viruses will not get through to the list. They will end up needing to be approved by the list admin... or discarded. Your own messages that may be larger than this can be approved by yourself. Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing
Ronny Raschkowan wrote: I needed do edit a message of an archive today, so i did the change, and saved it. Later, i had to run the bin/arch script to regenerate the archive of the list i had to edit a message. Thats what i did, providing bin/arch mylist [mbox]. It seems from what you say later that you used --wipe. In any case you should have. Now, i have got a problem with that: The numeration of the mails got changed. All links which pointed to a specific mail don't work anymore, because it seems there -3633 after the arch'ing. Meaning: Mail 9659 got, after i had arched, 6026. I can't figure out, what caused it, but i still have the problem that the links are broken after this change. Is there any possiblity to get the numeration like it was before? Or is it possible to say the script, it has to start counting from Mail Number 3633, ( i mean giving the (first!) mail the number 3633, to get the old order) ? I am really desesperating on this problem - As far, -s and -e can't help in this case. I'm only guessing, but are there messages missing? it seems that the .mbox file was probably missing 3633 messages. Was the .mbox started over at some point? Is there an old .mbox file somewhere containing 3633 messages? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing
Mark Sapiro wrote: Ronny Raschkowan wrote: I needed do edit a message of an archive today, so i did the change, and saved it. Later, i had to run the bin/arch script to regenerate the archive of the list i had to edit a message. Thats what i did, providing bin/arch mylist [mbox]. It seems from what you say later that you used --wipe. In any case you should have. Hm, i had to notice that :-( Now, i have got a problem with that: The numeration of the mails got changed. All links which pointed to a specific mail don't work anymore, because it seems there -3633 after the arch'ing. Meaning: Mail 9659 got, after i had arched, 6026. I can't figure out, what caused it, but i still have the problem that the links are broken after this change. Is there any possiblity to get the numeration like it was before? Or is it possible to say the script, it has to start counting from Mail Number 3633, ( i mean giving the (first!) mail the number 3633, to get the old order) ? I am really desesperating on this problem - As far, -s and -e can't help in this case. I'm only guessing, but are there messages missing? it seems that the .mbox file was probably missing 3633 messages. Was the .mbox started over at some point? Is there an old .mbox file somewhere containing 3633 messages? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan I can't look, because the archive is very big, as far, i can't remember of all mails we became on it :) I looked in the archives/private/ directory, cd'ed to to mylist.mbox directory, but there was only the normal wikide-l.mbox. This is really strange.. But I need the normal numeration back. BTW: Is there an (official?) channel in IRC or somewhere where siteadmins could chat together and help other site admins? Sincerly yours, Ronny -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing
Ronny Raschkowan wrote: This is really strange.. But I need the normal numeration back. If I understand correctly that the new numbers are 3363 less than the old numbers, you could always add 3633 dummy messages to the beginning of the .mbox file and then bin/arch --wipe [listname] I think at most you need From e-mail date From: e-mail Date: date Subject: a subject one line of body The date in the initial From line has a specific format which is Day Mon dd hh:mm:ss e.g. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 15 08:45:41 2001 -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing
Mark Sapiro wrote: Ronny Raschkowan wrote: This is really strange.. But I need the normal numeration back. If I understand correctly that the new numbers are 3363 less than the old numbers, you could always add 3633 dummy messages to the beginning of the .mbox file and then bin/arch --wipe [listname] I think at most you need From e-mail date From: e-mail Date: date Subject: a subject one line of body The date in the initial From line has a specific format which is Day Mon dd hh:mm:ss e.g. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 15 08:45:41 2001 -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Hi. Could you provid me an exact dummy mail how it would look? I fear i'd do sth wrong., so i would like to see an example. As far, i don't figure out how i should add it 3633 times? - Doesn't it take a bit long to do that? :-) Oh - And should i delete the mylist (not .mbox) directory before editing the .mbox? Isn't there any softer way to do that..? Sincerly yours, Ronny -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts
I spend most of my time now with mailing lists manually rejecting posts from non-members from the dozens and dozens of spam messages each lists gets on a daily basis. Is there some way to auto-reject or auto-drop posts from non-subscribers that is more elegant than simply dumping the entire admin db? There are sometimes posts that exceed the size limit or cc limit that I do approve, so simply discarding the entire spool of admin messages is not a solution. I am running 2.1.3, but am willing to upgrade to 2.15 or even a cvs nightly to take care of this. -- The Piper's calling you to join him-- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
C == C L Etheridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: C In other words, an e-mail send to a list via Smartlist in the C TO field has the name of the list NOT the e-mail address of C the recipient. Please note that not only do all mailing list servers do this, but many users _depend_ on it to sort their mail. You may consider mailing list manager to be a misnomer, if you like, but the connotation of one alias, many recipients is deeply embedded here. You're almost certainly not looking for a mailing list manager, but rather mail-merge or customer relationship management (CRM) software. The FAQ has suggestions for both, IIRC. Here's how to decide for yourself: C This results in several ISPs dumping the e-mail into the spam bin. (Refer them to the Part of the Problem department) If your application is actually a mailing list in the sense that Mailman et al are (ie, the recipients are an identifiable social group and are in some way interacting through it, either by discussion or announcement of information related to the group), I would write the affected users individually and ask them to change their ISP. I would explain that many recipients sort their mail according to this field, and that future services will benefit from having names for mailing lists. Change might mean ask the ISP to fix their filters (which are broken; it only marginally increases the cost to spammers to send spam messages individually), or to actually subscribe to a different ISP. If your application is more or less personalized mass-mailing, eg, to customers and potential customers who don't care about each other (at least not in the context of this newsletter), and value your organization first, you might prefer (CRM) software or mail merge software. Another way to think about it: If you envision the upgrade path for your service to involve more interaction among the subscribers, Mailman (inter alia) is the way to go. It will make it easier to create subsidiary channels (both topics and new lists) and allow the subscribers to manage their own accounts. The aliases will make it easier for them to make contact with each other, especially the whole group. You'll have to deal with the problem ISPs another way in this case, no matter what. If planned and probable improvements involve more and more personalization, beyond simply individual addressing, then you will find that Mailman (et al) will be obstacles to implementation. They are about serving a self-managing many-to-many network, rather than explicit management of one-to-many relations. HTH -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of TsukubaTennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can do free software business; ask what your business can do for free software. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts
LuKreme wrote: I spend most of my time now with mailing lists manually rejecting posts from non-members from the dozens and dozens of spam messages each lists gets on a daily basis. Is there some way to auto-reject or auto-drop posts from non-subscribers that is more elegant than simply dumping the entire admin db? Go to the list administration-Privacy options...-Sender filters page, scroll to the bottom and select Reject or Discard for Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. There are sometimes posts that exceed the size limit or cc limit that I do approve, so simply discarding the entire spool of admin messages is not a solution. If you're routinely approving these, you might consider increasing the limits. Size limit is on the General Options page and number of recipients is on the Privacy options...-Recipient filters page -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote C == C L Etheridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: C In other words, an e-mail send to a list via Smartlist in the C TO field has the name of the list NOT the e-mail address of C the recipient. excellent material snipped C This results in several ISPs dumping the e-mail into the spam bin. more snipping of good stuff I would write the affected users individually and ask them to change their ISP. I would explain that many recipients sort their mail according to this field, and that future services will benefit from having names for mailing lists. Change might mean ask the ISP to fix their filters (which are broken; it only marginally increases the cost to spammers to send spam messages individually), or to actually subscribe to a different ISP. Another possibility is to whitelist the Mailman list in the user's settings for the ISP's spam filter. This is often an option, but how to do it varies. In some cases of web based e-mail (AOL?) just putting the list address in your address book may do it. In other cases, you may have an option to add addresses or domains to a specific whitelist. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
