[Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...
I'm not sure if this is a problem on the listserv side.or if bowdoin edu's. I didn't see anything about this on previous postings, so I thought I'd ask. Basically, whenever this user tries to post to our listserv, it waits 2 days and says it can't deliver. I never see the email to be able to approve it. We don't seem to be having any other problems.just this one user. Thanks in advance. Original Message Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has been delayed Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Internet Mail Delivery mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Return-path: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail.bowdoin.edu by mail.bowdoin.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) id mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bowdoin.edu (mail [139.140.14.83]) by mail.bowdoin.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [66.92.75.203] by mail.bowdoin.edu (mshttpd); Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400 From: Wendy Cadge mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: that time againclassnotes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Your message has been enqueued and undeliverable for 2 days to the following recipients: Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reason: unable to deliver this message after 2 days Delivery attempt history for your mail: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:57:39 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:53:55 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:50:11 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:46:27 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:10:48 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:03:19 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:59:34 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:55:50 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:48:20 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:44:35 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out The mail system will continue to try to deliver your message for an additional 1 day. ___ Nathan K. Stazewski Assistant Director Alumni Relations Swarthmore College Swarthmore, PA 19081 610-957-6103 Fax: 610-328-7796 file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\NStazew1\Application%20Data\Microsoft \Signatures\www.swarthmore.edu www.swarthmore.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...
You do not seem to have an MX record published for the alumni-office.swarthmore.edu domain and while an A record is acceptable for a machine with a public IP number it is indicative of a possible failure for your network to be configured so as to allow SMTP connection to port 25 on that machine. I also found that attempting to connect to port 25 on alumni-office.swarthmore.edu failed with a timeout which suggest that something may be blocking connections to it. I suggest you discuss this with your local sys admin as the cause of your problem may be the configuration of firewalls on your machine/LAN The following illustrate the inability to connect, which is what the MTA that sent the bounce message was reporting: ;; ANSWER SECTION: alumni-office.swarthmore.edu. 2h5m45s IN A 130.58.82.74 $ telnet alumni-office.swarthmore.edu 25 Trying 130.58.82.74... telnet: connect to address 130.58.82.74: Operation timed out telnet: Unable to connect to remote host On 6 Sep 2004, at 13:55, Nathan K. Stazewski wrote: I'm not sure if this is a problem on the listserv side.or if bowdoin edu's. I didn't see anything about this on previous postings, so I thought I'd ask. Basically, whenever this user tries to post to our listserv, it waits 2 days and says it can't deliver. I never see the email to be able to approve it. We don't seem to be having any other problems.just this one user. Thanks in advance. Original Message Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has been delayed Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Internet Mail Delivery mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Return-path: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail.bowdoin.edu by mail.bowdoin.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) id mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bowdoin.edu (mail [139.140.14.83]) by mail.bowdoin.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [66.92.75.203] by mail.bowdoin.edu (mshttpd); Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400 From: Wendy Cadge mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: that time againclassnotes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Your message has been enqueued and undeliverable for 2 days to the following recipients: Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reason: unable to deliver this message after 2 days Delivery attempt history for your mail: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:57:39 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:53:55 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:50:11 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:46:27 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:10:48 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:03:19 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:59:34 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:55:50 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:48:20 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:44:35 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT) TCP active open: Failed connect()Error: Connection timed out The mail system will continue to try to deliver your message for an additional 1 day. ___ Nathan K. Stazewski Assistant Director Alumni Relations Swarthmore College Swarthmore, PA 19081 610-957-6103 Fax: 610-328-7796 file:///C: \Documents%20and%20Settings\NStazew1\Application%20Data\Microsoft \Signatures\www.swarthmore.edu www.swarthmore.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ:
Re: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting Posts from some members
David Richards wrote: We have a need to restrict the senders of a list to a very small number of people. These people may or may not be members of the list. All other posts we wish to reject, how can this be acheived? At the moment, the following are set: default_member_moderation = no (no members set to moderation) set to yes member_moderation_action = reject accept_these_nonmembers = ['[EMAIL PROTECTED]','[EMAIL PROTECTED]'] generic_nonmember_action = reject [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member of the list. Visit Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 3.11 for more information. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...
Nathan, http://zmailer.org/mxverify.html is a nice self-test page. You can use it to check swarthmore.edu and alumni-office.swarthmore.edu for correct configuration. Regards, David -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Redirecting from one list to another
Mailman Users: I am running Mailman 2.1.5. I have several lists where one is allstudents, and several others that are a subset such as commuters, residents, etc. Sometimes messages are sent to the allstudents list which should have been sent to one of the other lists. How do I redirect the message to the subset list without it going to the allstudents list? Can this be done through the admin interface? If not then how? Thanks, Bruce Embrey -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Wierd error
When folks try to mail password reminders they get this error: Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main main() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py, line 249, in main loginpage(mlist, doc, user, language) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py, line 813, in loginpage table.AddRow([_(In order to change your membership option, you must File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 89, in _ return tns % dict ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70) at index 105 Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3 (#1, Jun 19 2003, 22:18:51) [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform freebsd4 any ideas what went wrong ? /thomas -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd error
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 11:09:39PM +0200, Thomas von Hassel wrote: When folks try to mail password reminders they get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): [...] File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py, line 813, in loginpage table.AddRow([_(In order to change your membership option, you must File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 89, in _ return tns % dict ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70) at index 105 There is a mistake in the Danish translation that shipped with 2.1.5. It is missing an 's' in one of the translated strings. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-August/038622.html -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
Hmmm, okay ... is there a not-so-easy way? :) Thanks! Kristina On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:51:24PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: - At 2:02 PM -0700 2004-09-03, K. Clair wrote: - - Is there a relatively easy way to remove configuration options from - the administrative interface for all lists? I know that I can set - defaults, but what if I don't want list administrators to be able to - change them? - - Not really. There are certain things (like personalization) that - a site admin can prevent list owners from seeing, and you can set - lots of defaults, but that's about it. - - There's no convenient way to go through and have the site admin - to go through each and every option in the package and say yes, I - want them to see this option, no I don't want them to see those, yes - this other one is okay, etc - - -- - Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little - temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - - -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania - Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 - - SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan
I'm a newb with this and am a bit overwhelmed with the installation and docs. Been searching the archives but hoping for quick help, as I suspect I made a dumb error. I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable mailman. Using Sendmail. I have it working more or less on local lan, but outside of it, email clients do not receive mail from it. They can send. I get error messages locally to my root and user email accounts on the server every 5 minutes or so: Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:39:53 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 5 lines Text 2 Shown 1 KB Message, Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news 2.1 Shown10 lines Text You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Part 2: Included Message ] Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:30:02 -0800 From: Cron Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 284, in ? main() File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 259, in main lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 243, in lock self.__write() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 422, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.linux.23031.0' Here's a snip of my mm_cfg.py: ### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. from Defaults import * ## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.dorydesign.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dorydesign.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) (I thought you would add the actual host names under the add_virtualhost line but it returns errors when trying to start or stop mailman). I figure it is probably a simple mistake or overlook. Hopefully someone can lend a hand. I can post more info - just not sure what is needed. My /etc/aliases contains the suggested aliases from the INSTALL. My hosts file has 127.0.0.1 localhost and then also its IP Address and linux.local (the name of server). Not sure if I need to add anything more there. Perhaps I just need more in my mm_cfg.py file ? or perhaps a permission problem with cron? Thank you very much for reading and also to anyone who may offer ideas/inquiries!!! cheers, JD. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan
PS: I forgot to mention I am connecting behind a linksys router (I added port 25 in port forward) and connect via cable modem. And I believe the isp (gci.net) allows port 25. Jim Dory wrote: I'm a newb with this and am a bit overwhelmed with the installation and docs. Been searching the archives but hoping for quick help, as I suspect I made a dumb error. I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable mailman. Using Sendmail. I have it working more or less on local lan, but outside of it, email clients do not receive mail from it. They can send. I get error messages locally to my root and user email accounts on the server every 5 minutes or so: Thank you very much for reading and also to anyone who may offer ideas/inquiries!!! cheers, JD. -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan
Dan Phillips wrote: Have you run bin/check_perms -f ? the obvious cause of the error is a permission issue, but check_perms doesn't always find everything. FWIW, my locks directory is 775 and the lock files themselves are 664. Before even messing with that, however, if you have no need for the NNTP gate, then comment out the gate_news in the mailman crontab and you don't have to worry about it :-) BTW, did you install from source? If so, know that Mailman-2.1.5 (the latest) requires python 2.3. Dan Dan Phillips Professor of Horn, University of Memphis site administrator: music.memphis.edu Hello Dan, Thanks for the reply! Check_perms had some errors and with -f it no longer reports any errors. The problem could well be the older python version. I installed python via a package on the Suse 7.3 disks as I could not find one that worked otherwise. I downloaded the latest source for python and I got back gcc ./configure errors. I found an rpm of python that was perhaps for suse 8 and it didn't work either. So that is why I went with the older python. The only one I could get to install. I could search more for an upgrade, but didn't have luck the first time. I've thought of upgrading to Debian on the server but really didn't want to go through the hassle (learning curve and time)- but maybe that would be an alternative. I'll try commenting out the NNTP gate (haven't researched what it is yet - don't even know if I need it). Locks directory under /usr/local/mailman is drwxrwsr-x, as is all of those directories. But if it ain't gonna work with python 2.1.1, maybe that is where my attention should lie? As an aside, should I reply to the list? When I hit reply, or reply-all, it does not include the mailman list. Seems odd. cheers, JD -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looking for Yahoo style email list
At 1:52 PM -0500 2004-09-04, Paul wrote: I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS style web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the user chooses can read and post to the list from a web page like the Yahoo Groups. Mailman doesn't do this. It'll handle the mailing list side reasonably well, but the BBS style interface is not included. Can Mailman be adapted? Probably. Can you write code in Python? Does an open source solution exist? If you find one, please let us know. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan
At 5:28 PM -0800 2004-09-06, Jim Dory wrote: I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable mailman. What do you consider the latest stable mailman? If you search at the Mailman FAQ Wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py, you will find that item 5.008 informs you that you need Python 2.3 if you're going to use Mailman 2.1.5. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to list (was:trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan)
Jim Dory in response to an off list reply from Dan Phillips: As an aside, should I reply to the list? When I hit reply, or reply-all, it does not include the mailman list. Seems odd. Your reply-all doesn't automatically include the list because Dan's reply to you didn't include the list. It is always tricky to know what to do in this case. This list is set up so simple replies to list messages go to the originator and reply-all goes to the originator, the list and any other explicit recipients of that message. I happen to believe that this is the proper way to set up a list, but I don't want to start that thread here (there are plenty of examples in the archives if you want to see the arguments). The problem is if I receive an off list reply, do I treat it as though ommitting the list was a mistake and continue the thread on the list, or do I treat it as though it was off list on purpose and respect the replier's privacy and not copy back to the list? I tend toward the latter but will do the former if I think there is enough general interest. As far as ethics is concerned, unless the reply specifically indicates it is off list, I don't have a problem including it in a further reply to the list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
