[Mailman-Users] SErver made a boo boo
Hi, Im trying to access the links after the mailing list is created. The email is comming properly to my email id,when im trying to access the links the apache server is giving an error. Servre made a boo boo???what is this error ,im using mailman 2.1.6 and postfix along with apache. I have followed the configuration details given at list.org and documentation at http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/mailman/ Regds, plaza c -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature idea: List-Msg-Archive header
At 8:46 PM -0500 2005-08-22, Jim C. Nasby wrote: Many times I find myself wishing that one of the headers that mailman appends would give me a URL I could go to to get that exact email in the archive. I know there's often a delay between mail being sent and showing up in the archive, but it seems like a good error message should handle that situation... It's not possible to do this within Mailman, at least not the way it's written today. At the time the message is being sent out to recipients, it has not yet been written to the archive, and therefore it is impossible to tell what the URL to that message will be. Moreover, sometimes the archival process can be rather lengthy, compared to being able to quickly dump off the outgoing message to the MTA. In that case, doing the archive step first would add a noticeable delay to the message being sent to recipients. One thing I'd like to see is that the archival process be changed from using sequence numbers to using a slice of an MD-5 hash of the incoming message. This has multiple benefits: 1. When you go to re-generate your archives based on the contents of an mbox file, none of the existing messages will have their sequence number changed. This means that all external references to specific messages in the archives will still remain valid after the archives have been rebuilt. Today, this is not true, and the FAQ and other documents have to be updated to reference the correct messages, if the archives ever have to be rebuilt. 2. It should be possible to know what the URL to that message would be before it is actually created by the archival process. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] SErver made a boo boo
On 2005-08-23 15:56, plaza c wrote: Im trying to access the links after the mailing list is created. The email is comming properly to my email id,when im trying to access the links the apache server is giving an error. Servre made a boo boo???what is this error ,im using mailman 2.1.6 and postfix along with apache. It sounds like the default Apache 500 ErrorDocument. (You can check your Apache configuration to find out which error code is producing that text.) You will want to double-check your Apache configuration for Mailman. Check things like having the proper ScriptAlias directive and path, having the cgi module loaded, having the right permissions and group ownership on the Mailman files (see Mailman's 'check_perms -f'). More clues may be found in Apache's error log. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman
Hi, Im new to mailman.I've configured mailman-2.1.6 and getting the list mailed to my email id . while trying to access the list through my apache sever ,im getting the following error.. Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. Is this error of postfix or cgi or something else pls help -- Regds, plaza c -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] HA: Bug in Mailman
Please post here, 1) The error log of your apache (just the lines when you are trying to enter the links), you can achive it with tail -f /path/to/your/apache/error_log. 2) Tell us how exactly you've integrated mailman with your SMTP server. 3) Tell us version of your OS, post here lines from apache conf. file which concern the mailman integration. Regards, Leon Kolchinsky От: [EMAIL PROTECTED] от имени plaza c Отправлено: Вт, 8/23/2005 2:43 Кому: mailman-users@python.org Тема: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman Hi, Im new to mailman.I've configured mailman-2.1.6 and getting the list mailed to my email id . while trying to access the list through my apache sever ,im getting the following error.. Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. Is this error of postfix or cgi or something else pls help -- Regds, plaza c -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lkolchin%40univ.haifa.ac.il Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm subscription with outlook
All, Any help greatly appreciated, apologies if it was already covered. mailman - 2.1.6 exim - 4.52-3 sparc solaris 8 outlook 2000 (or any other version) We've come across a problem where exchange users who wish to confirm their subscription via email get the following error: snip The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: RE: Your confirmation is required to join the some-internal-list mailing list -Original Message- From: snip ...this ONLY happens when they hit Reply as opposed to creating a new mail and putting confirm 98278438uidssfid in the Subject field. However, this ONLY happens to users who have their mailboxes sitting on the exchange server. All users who have Personal Folders set (i.e pulling emails to local pst file) do NOT experience these problems. I've compared the headers and can not see any noticeable difference?! I just can not understand why (if?) it matters where the mailbox sits? Is exchange doing something weird here? Thank you -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
Getting closer. Thanks. Mark Sapiro wrote: Chuck Vohs wrote: I have mailman version 2.1.6 installed with cPanel on RH 7.3, sending mail through exim. I'm not sure if it's relevant, but see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.011.htp Yeah, I had seen that, and they are working on it. I just was at such a lost, I figured I might find some hints or help here. I have several lists running. All used to work just fine. Last week, 2 lists stopped sending mail. Each responds to commands, but posts are just not sent. I can't see where they are dying at. Messages sent to the lists by nonmembers are held as pending, and I get an email to approve or reject. When I approve, the message is never sent. It seems you're saying that posts are being sent out from lists other than the specific 2 lists. If so, then it's probably not a qrunner problem unless you're running multiple 'slices' of qrunners and one has died. Check Mailman's error log. Check the mailman qfiles/ directory to see where the messages are piling up (shunt, retry, out ?). Sometimes a corrupt file will cause a list to shut down in this way. Check the files in lists/listname/ for the two lists. In particular, if there is a digest.mbox file, try moving it aside and see if that helps. Wow, that is good news, they are piling up in qfiles/shunt. So that means 1) the messages are getting to the server 2) mailman is trying to process them (it has given them really strange file names), so something is working, just not 100% yet. Thanks for the tip!!! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] HA: making lists private from command line
Hello Mark, Thanks for your reply. All I did is: ./config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/mailman_config_new.txt mailman My additional question is: Where these configurations saved (in the DB maybe?), in what files exactly? P.S. for the first and the second question, value should be equal to 1. # legal values are: #0 = Poster #1 = This list #2 = Explicit address reply_goes_to_list = 1 ## Archive options # # List traffic archival policies. # Archive messages? # # legal values are: #0 = No #1 = Yes archive = No # Is archive file source for public or private archival? # # legal values are: #0 = public #1 = private archive_private = 1 Additional values I've found for securing privacy of mailman widesitelist for example: # Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine? # # legal values are: #0 = No #1 = Yes advertised = True Best regards, Leon Kolchinsky От: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Отправлено: Вт, 8/23/2005 1:04 Кому: '?; mailman-users@python.org Тема: Re: [Mailman-Users] making lists private from command line [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Is there a way to make list private and turning archiving off. from command line? Or make the archives private from command line? You can do this from the command line with bin/config_list bin/config_list --help for help. bin/config_list -o filename listname To see the output from the existing list 'listname' which will show you the form of the required input. Only attributes you want to change need be in the input file. 2) I'm used to lists (using some lists from another sites) configured in such a way, so when I press Reply button in my e-mail client in the To line there is the list e-mail address an not only e-mail of the person who's wrote this mail. In the default configuration I believe I have to push Reply All button to send the reply to the list, and the system (of mailman) knows to send this reply only once to the person who's wrote this original message (correct me if I wrong). Actually, it's up to the user whether or not to receive a post from the list if he/she is a direct addressee, but the default is as you say. How to configure this behavior I'm used to? Set reply_goes_to_list to This list -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] HA: HA: Bug in Mailman
Hello, You didn't have to cp /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin /var/www/cgi-bin. For Fedora, you have to make these changes in apache config: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended). # RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo May be you should first try to follow step-by-step, this tutorial: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html It's concerning your distribution particulary. Regards, Leon Kolchinsky От: plaza c [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Отправлено: Вт, 8/23/2005 4:38 Кому: '? Тема: Re: HA: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman Hi, Im new and hope the following information would help to understand the problem. This is : 1. tail -f /path/to/your/apache/error_log [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] \tREMOTE_PORT: 32874 [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] \tHTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5 [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] \tHTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] \tPATH_INFO: /list1 [Tue Aug 23 19:42:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] [Tue Aug 23 19:42:43 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] File does not exist: /var/www/html/favicon.ico [Tue Aug 23 19:42:43 2005] [error] [client 192.168.99.52] File does not exist: /var/www/html/cgi-bin/missing_handler.pl 2. I configured the mailman as per the documentation given at www.list.org and http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/mailman/ I did not configure the virtual hosts.Im working on a machine in lan ,Doing an experimentation to be later implemented on the server. My FQDN is http://somedomain.com. Im using postfix 2.1.5-5 and apache. 3. This is the required lines from apache.conf ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/www/cgi-bin/ # # /var/www/cgi-bin should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured. # Directory /var/www/cgi-bin/ AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory I had Done : cp /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin /var/www/cgi-bin Im using fedora core 3 I have also reffered http://wiki.linuxhelp.net/index.php/Mailman_Setup as a help. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
Chuck Vohs wrote: Wow, that is good news, they are piling up in qfiles/shunt. So that means 1) the messages are getting to the server 2) mailman is trying to process them (it has given them really strange file names), so something is working, just not 100% yet. The really strange file names are normal. Somewhere in processing the message, Mailman is encountering an error which causes the message to be shunted. There should be messages in Mailman's error log giving more detail. After the underlying problem is found and resolved, the shunted messages can be reprocessed with bin/unshunt if desired. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to confirm subscription with outlook
Darko Longin wrote: outlook 2000 (or any other version) We've come across a problem where exchange users who wish to confirm their subscription via email get the following error: snip The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: RE: Your confirmation is required to join the some-internal-list mailing list snip I've compared the headers and can not see any noticeable difference?! I just can not understand why (if?) it matters where the mailbox sits? Is exchange doing something weird here? Absolutely. The subject RE: Your confirmation is required to join the some-internal-list mailing list Says you have VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes in mm_cfg.py which produces that subject in the confirmation e-mail and a From: address of the form From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]cookie Outlook/exchange is dropping/munging the +cookie part of the address in the reply. You can remove VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes from mm_cfg.py which will make the confirmation be From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: confirm cookie This format may work with outlook/exchange. You also may be able to configure exchange to preserve the +cookie part of the address in the reply. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] private list archives
Hi everybody, seems i am to tired to find the archives of my mailinglist. I have set the archives private because i don't want to make the archives public, i want that only subscribed users are able to accesss them. I was now searching a link to the archives in the web-admininterface later than login as a subscribed user, but did not find it. Any hint, where to click? Sorry for that silly question and thanks in advance Christian -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] HA: making lists private from command line
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I did is: ./config_list -i /var/lib/mailman/data/mailman_config_new.txt mailman There should be a file created by installation - /var/lib/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg - which is intended to be used with config_list to make some appropriate changes to the site list (mailman). My additional question is: Where these configurations saved (in the DB maybe?), in what files exactly? Everything for a list (list configuration, membership, member options) is stored as a Python pickle in (based on the above path) /var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] private list archives
Christian Anton wrote: I was now searching a link to the archives in the web-admininterface later than login as a subscribed user, but did not find it. If you haven't modified the listinfo page for the list, the last thing in the first section (About listname) is: To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the listname Archives. (The current archive is only available to the list members.) where listname Archives is the link. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Bounce list weirdness
Hi All, I am having a very strange problem with my mailman install, I keep getting these emails and I have no idea how to stop them. I have exim4 turned off as well as mailman unti I can figure this out we send out a newsletter once a week to people interested in adoption and only one user can send to the list but it seems that all the users are getting this mail: The headers are: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 22 16:24:07 2005 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mailman01.adoptionweek.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mail.adoptionmedia.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MNO515014228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:24:05 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mailman01.adoptionweek.com ident=mailman) by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1E7LPW-00034t-FM; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:58 -0700 Received: from [70.84.169.194] (helo=aac.dropspam.com) by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1E5HGE-0004p3-57 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:18:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 30295 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 - Date: 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [URGENT] - URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED Content-type: text/plain From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: emag.mail.adoptionweek.com List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/private/emag List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for mor e information X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 62598 Here is a sample of the email: Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED], - URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED - Please note, an immediate response is required to prevent your messages from being automatically deleted. Your e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] was NOT delievered. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is protected against viruses and spam by www.dropspam.com, and all new senders are required to be authenticated by clicking on the link below. Please follow this link to add yourself to the approved sender list of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://verify.dropspam.com/verify.cgi?key=3209/emag%40mail.adoptionweek.com/aac02160/1 Thank you! Dropspam.com Block 100% of viruses and spam. http://www.dropspam.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
Mark Sapiro wrote: The really strange file names are normal. Somewhere in processing the message, Mailman is encountering an error which causes the message to be shunted. There should be messages in Mailman's error log giving more detail. After the underlying problem is found and resolved, the shunted messages can be reprocessed with bin/unshunt if desired. Thanks so much Mark. You are right, in the error log, this entry repeats: Aug 23 10:29:58 2005 (14333) SHUNTING: 1124807396.5748971+07b93b33553514b955399dacc91a5ca6df015192 Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py, line 73, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 131, in process Decorate.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py, line 98, in process ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I have tried reinstalling mailman. I'm not sure what to make of this error. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.6 MM, htdig and MHonarc integration patches available
If anyone is still using them, I have finally found time to prepare MM 2.1.6 compatible versions of some patches I have been publishing for some years to support integration of Mailman with htdig (for archive search) and MM with MHonArc (for archive content page generation). These are available at the following URLs. Any problem then email me. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detailaid=444879group_id=103atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detailaid=444884group_id=103atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detailaid=760567group_id=103atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detailaid=820723group_id=103atid=300103 and also available via my own web site (which is now working again): http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/index.html -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.6 MM, htdig and MHonarc integration patches available
On 23/08/05, Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is still using them, I have finally found time to prepare MM 2.1.6 compatible versions of some patches I have been publishing for some years to support integration of Mailman with htdig (for archive search) and MM with MHonArc (for archive content page generation). WOO HOO!! Thank you Richard. I've been waiting for them to be updated for MM 2.1.6. Now, *I* just need to find the time to test and upgrade my server :( -- Bryan Carbonnell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting What a great ride! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] private list archives
Mark Sapiro wrote: Christian Anton wrote: I was now searching a link to the archives in the web-admininterface later than login as a subscribed user, but did not find it. If you haven't modified the listinfo page for the list, the last thing in the first section (About listname) is: To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the listname Archives. (The current archive is only available to the list members.) where listname Archives is the link. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Argl When i created the list i dropped this point out of the listinfo page because i thought we would not need any type of archives on this list, but now we do want. I have copied the html snippet of another list and now it runs again. thank you very much Christian -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] list members treated as nonmembers problem
mailman 2.1.5 on gentoo I was upgrading from 2.0.God knows how old on a Red Hat eight system. I moved the list and archive directories over into the 2.1.5 hierarchy. Whenever I send a message to a list, the message is held and I am told I am not a member of that list even though I can see it in the Web user interface. I've probably messed up other things in the conversion but it was rather hurried because of problems with the old system which no longer has a working power supply.. (in other words, please don't tell me I need more data from the old installation because it means using screwdrivers and other sharp objects when I'm stressed ;-) some help would be most appreciated. ---eric -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host not working?
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote: If all you want to change is the e-mail host for a list and not the web URL, you can change this on the list's General options page - it's the host_name attribute. It is probably spamcon.org - change it to lists.spamcon.org. That was what was wrong. I've used Mailman for a couple years now, at least, but I set up lists so infrequently that I didn't remember that option existed. Thanks to you and others who replied. **SJS -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
Mark Sapiro schrieb: Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: I'm just trying to set up mailman, but I can't make it work. When I send an email to a list, all I can see is this entry in info log of Postfix: Aug 22 23:18:58 mangoo2 postfix/local[12738]: 1BC3EF0021: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=2, status=sent (delivered to command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman post dupa) and that's it, no Postfix errors nor other entries, no mailman logs, no clue. What should I look for? Are the qrunners running? I.e., did you do mailmanctl start or some equivalent script. It seems that was it, it wasn't running. However, it doesn't start: # bin/mailmanctl start Vermisse die Mailingliste: mailman (which we can translate missing mailing list: mailman) Why it wants a list called mailman if I never created it (and never wanted), but I created other lists instead? -- Tomek -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
Tomasz Chmielewski schrieb: (...) It seems that was it, it wasn't running. However, it doesn't start: # bin/mailmanctl start Vermisse die Mailingliste: mailman (which we can translate missing mailing list: mailman) Why it wants a list called mailman if I never created it (and never wanted), but I created other lists instead? OK, it seems all I needed to do was: bin/newlist mailman -- Tomek http://wpkg.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] no posts appear on a new list
At 9:37 PM +0200 2005-08-23, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: Why it wants a list called mailman if I never created it (and never wanted), but I created other lists instead? If you had searched the FAQ before posting, you should have discovered that the mailman site list is required for the operation of Mailman. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.025.htp. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
Chuck Vohs wrote: Thanks so much Mark. You are right, in the error log, this entry repeats: Aug 23 10:29:58 2005 (14333) SHUNTING: 1124807396.5748971+07b93b33553514b955399dacc91a5ca6df015192 Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Aug 23 10:34:53 2005 (14333) Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py, line 73, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 131, in process Decorate.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py, line 98, in process ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I have tried reinstalling mailman. I'm not sure what to make of this error. It looks like msg_footer (on the list's Non-digest options page), and possibly also digest_footer (on the list's Digest options page), has a non-ascii character in it. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages are lost...I have followed FAQs 3.14
Mark Sapiro wrote: It looks like msg_footer (on the list's Non-digest options page), and possibly also digest_footer (on the list's Digest options page), has a non-ascii character in it. You rock! That was it...not sure how that happened, but I deleted the footers, and it works fine. Thanks so much. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list members treated as nonmembers problem
Eric S. Johansson wrote: mailman 2.1.5 on gentoo I was upgrading from 2.0.God knows how old on a Red Hat eight system. I moved the list and archive directories over into the 2.1.5 hierarchy. Whenever I send a message to a list, the message is held and I am told I am not a member of that list even though I can see it in the Web user interface. The poster is validated as a list member in various ways depending in particular on the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py setting of USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. Read the comments about this and about SENDER_HEADERS in Defaults.py, and also understand what headers are put in your message and what envelope sender is set by your MUA/MTA. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce list weirdness
Sean Roe wrote: I am having a very strange problem with my mailman install, I keep getting these emails and I have no idea how to stop them. I have exim4 turned off as well as mailman unti I can figure this out we send out a newsletter once a week to people interested in adoption and only one user can send to the list but it seems that all the users are getting this mail: This is strange. Ordinarily, I would say that one of your list subscribers uses the dropspam.com mail filtering service and the approval message from dropspam.org in response to a received list post is being sent back to the list and accepted for posting. It seems that this scenario is somewhat correct except from the contents of the approval message, the subscriber appears to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] which appears to be the list posting address so I'm confused as to what your setup actually is. In any case, if you follow the suggestion in http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.034.htp and moderate everyone and post using approved:, the dropspam.com approval message won't make it through to the list. The headers are: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 22 16:24:07 2005 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mailman01.adoptionweek.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mail.adoptionmedia.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MNO515014228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:24:05 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mailman01.adoptionweek.com ident=mailman) by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1E7LPW-00034t-FM; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:58 -0700 Received: from [70.84.169.194] (helo=aac.dropspam.com) by mailman01.adoptionweek.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1E5HGE-0004p3-57 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:18:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 30295 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 - Date: 17 Aug 2005 07:17:39 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [URGENT] - URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED Content-type: text/plain From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: emag.mail.adoptionweek.com List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/private/emag List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://lists.adoptionweek.com/mailman/listinfo/emag, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for mor e information X-mail.adoptionmedia.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 62598 Here is a sample of the email: Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED], - URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED - Please note, an immediate response is required to prevent your messages from being automatically deleted. Your e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] was NOT delievered. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is protected against viruses and spam by www.dropspam.com, and all new senders are required to be authenticated by clicking on the link below. Please follow this link to add yourself to the approved sender list of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://verify.dropspam.com/verify.cgi?key=3209/emag%40mail.adoptionweek.com/aac02160/1 Thank you! Dropspam.com Block 100% of viruses and spam. http://www.dropspam.com -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list members treated as nonmembers problem
Mark Sapiro wrote: The poster is validated as a list member in various ways depending in particular on the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py setting of USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. Read the comments about this and about SENDER_HEADERS in Defaults.py, and also understand what headers are put in your message and what envelope sender is set by your MUA/MTA. thank you. That was exactly the clues I needed. the problem seemed to be related to a friend of mine running mailman list on virtual machine here. We were having all sorts of problems with SPF message rejection and when we tried: SENDER_HEADERS = ('sender') the problems went away (why? I have no idea). so, I copied and got bit. It's probably additionally some interaction between postfix and mailman in terms of what gets sent in the SMTP transaction but what the heck, it's working now and I can live with it. thanks again for the help. ---eric -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Instrumentation and Harvesting
Chris Brigham wrote: I'm working on a project that will be attempting to instrument Mailman events and harvest message archives and list membership. Is there a way to do any of this programmatically? Will I have to manually scrape the administration pages and subscribe a bot to the list that I want to manage? Do any external APIs exist? The bin/list_members script is the preferred way to get the membership of a list. See some of the threads returned by http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman-users+%22Jean-Philippe+GIOLA%22 for information about using Mailman's external archiver hook in conjunction with the standard pipermail archive. What other events do you want to instrument and in what way? Mailman's logs may help. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailman users on a World Map
Hi, We've been playing around with the new Google Maps API, and have created a service for groups to easily create a world map locating their members, at http://www.zeemaps.com I've taken the liberty of creating a map for Mailman users at: http://www.zeemaps.com/map.do?group=319 Please go to this link and mark your location on this map, using the password 'mailman' Will be cool to see a world map locating Mailman users. Let me know if you have any questions, etc. Best wishes Claire -- Claire McLister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1684 Nightingale Avenue Suite 201 Sunnyvale, CA 94087 408-733-2737(fax) http://www.zeesource.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp