Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a no-password no-corfirmation unsubscribeoption anywhere?

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Muller wrote:

>Is there a no-password, no confirmation unsubscribe option anywhere in 
>Mailman? I have a client that wants this despite my protests. Apparently 
>since we put Mailman in place he is getting a lot of complaints (and rude 
>comments) about their unsubscription process.


He can always set Privacy options...->Subscription
rules->unsubscribe_policy to Yes. Then he'll have to do the
confirmation instead of the user.

Otherwise, you either have to hack the Mailman code or build a separate
web or email unsubscribe that gets Mailman to do the unsubscribe
without confirmations in the same way that admin Mass removal or
bin/remove_members does.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spamming of my list

[Mark Sapiro]

Louis Headley wrote:

>I have started to receive spam to my list. While my members are not recieving 
>them (all posts must be approved), is there a way to discard all requests at 
>once?


Mailman 2.1.5 and up have a "Discard all messages marked defer"
checkbox on the admindb page.

There is a bin/discard command line script that allows something like

bin/discard data/heldmsg-list-*


>At the moment, I must go thru the list one by one. THere as many as 40 per 
>week. How can i stop people from spam my list?

When you figure that out, you can sell it and make a fortune :-)

What you can do is integrate spam filtering in your incoming mail
process and filter it out before it gets to Mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] Is there a no-password no-corfirmation unsubscribe option anywhere?

[Edward Muller]

Is there a no-password, no confirmation unsubscribe option anywhere in 
Mailman? I have a client that wants this despite my protests. Apparently 
since we put Mailman in place he is getting a lot of complaints (and rude 
comments) about their unsubscription process.

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[Mailman-Users] spamming of my list

[Louis Headley]

I have started to receive spam to my list. While my members are not recieving 
them (all posts must be approved), is there a way to discard all requests at 
once? At the moment, I must go thru the list one by one. THere as many as 40 
per week. How can i stop people from spam my list?
Help?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:06 PM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote:

>  Well, I was just trying to help the poor soul who was struggling with the
>  web interface, assuming that he could not get to the command-line tools.

As I said, for some people what you've suggested is a perfectly 
valid option.  If that works for the OP, that's great.  If not, then 
he might need to try the command-line tools.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] delivery problems and digests?

[Mark Sapiro]

Hal Huntley wrote:

>One mailman instance that I work with is running 2.1.2 on a linux
>2.4.20-20.9 kernel.
>
>Mail to a specific list is not getting delivered, but other lists on the
>same instance are being delivered fine.



>
>Is there a command or a set of procedures that I can run to make the list
>start delivering mail again normally?

It definitely appears to be a digesting issue.

Rename or move aside the file lists//digest.mbox. That should
get the list going again.

It looks like there may be a message there with an attachment with a
null filename.

I think all the known problems of this type with scrubber are fixed in
2.1.8.

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[Mailman-Users] delivery problems and digests?

[Hal Huntley]

One mailman instance that I work with is running 2.1.2 on a linux
2.4.20-20.9 kernel.

Mail to a specific list is not getting delivered, but other lists on the
same instance are being delivered fine.  The error message one person got
back when they tried to send a message to the list was:

 start error message ===
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in 
send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in 
send_i18n_digests
msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 232, in process
url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 348, in 
save_attachment
fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
  File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 707, in 
get_filename
return unicode(newvalue[2], newvalue[0])
TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
 end error message ===


I read this message to the list that is dated January 2006:
==
Mailman sends messages in both regular and digest delivery.  The digest
processing is inserted in the middle of regular delivery if the messages
accumulated to a preset amount.  If there is a serious error in the
digest processing, the regular delivery fails.  Since the messages are
accumulated already, arrival of following message triggers the digest
processing again and also fail in the subsequent regular delivery.
==

It went on to say:
==
Therefore, the site administrator should check the qfiles/shunt
directory and the logs/error file periodically.
==

The recommendation was to go to 2.1.7 of mailman.  Well, I'd rather not do
that with all the lists going right now.  I'll need to do that later.

I guess something bombed with the digestifying.  We don't digest the
 specific list, so I tried turning that off on the list, but that didn't
 help any.  I saw in the FAQ to try "unshunt", but that doesn't seemed to
 have unstick the log jam.  There are quite a few files in the qfiles/shunt
 directory.

Is there a command or a set of procedures that I can run to make the list
start delivering mail again normally?

Hal Huntley
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Synchronizing listserv members via the web

[Mark Sapiro]

Jonathan Milam wrote:
>
>I wanted to know if it is possible to synchronize listserv members via the
>web, instead of using the list_members process?  If so, is there a FAQ that
>outlines this process?


And did you see the reply at
.
If so, specifically what do you want to know that isn't covered in
that reply.

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[Mailman-Users] Synchronizing listserv members via the web

[Jonathan Milam]

Hello!

I wanted to know if it is possible to synchronize listserv members via the
web, instead of using the list_members process?  If so, is there a FAQ that
outlines this process?

Thanks,

Jonathan Milam
Computer Consultant
Wake Forest University


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Ed]

THANK you, Allen!!

<>

Which IS what I said!!!

My ONLY "mailman access" is the web interface, which IMVHO is "lacking" BUT I 
am biased!!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] followup

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>Does anyone know how I can setup permission as far as who can post? 
>ie. I don't want anyone who isn't subscribed to be able to post to the
>list, or is that just a default setting?


Look at Privacy options...->Sender filters

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[Mailman-Users] followup

[spamuser2]

Thanks, I got it working.  I just had to create the file manually and
change the permissions but it seems to be running, I have few lists up and
running, archived etc.

One more question:

Does anyone know how I can setup permission as far as who can post? 
ie. I don't want anyone who isn't subscribed to be able to post to the
list, or is that just a default setting?



> On 4/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I was wondering if there was any mailman documentation that is more
>> detailed.  I ran through the setup instructions and as far as I can
>> tell.
>> it's just not doing anything... added the aliases etc.  The owner is not
>> getting notified.. nor can I send/receive emails sent to that account.
> Is your aliases file getting properly used by Postfix? (I don't know
> how to do or check this, since I don't use postfix.)
>
> Are your qrunners running? (ps uax | grep qrunner) If not, :
> $bin/mailmanctl start
>
> If your qrunners are running, and you're sure your aliases are getting
> used properly, check the mailman logs; *some* sort of events should be
> generated when you attempt to post.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Allan Hansen]

Well, I was just trying to help the poor soul who was struggling with the 
web interface, assuming that he could not get to the command-line tools.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Allan Hansen]

At 14:53 -0500 4/10/06, Brad Knowles wrote:
>At 2:40 PM -0500 2006-04-10, Brad Knowles wrote:
>
>>  On the
>>  other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted
>>  on python.org pretty quickly.
>
>   There's another factor here -- we have plenty of subscribers who 
>never have never posted to the list, and therefore would never show 
>up in my Eudora archive, even if I had a complete list of every 
>message ever sent to the lists.  In that case, using the server-based 
>tools are the only viable option.

Please read my message again, Brad. I'm not looking at posts, but
subscribe and unsubscribe messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] capitals in list address'

[Mark Sapiro]

Matthew Clarkson wrote:

>I know that having capitals in a email address is not standard, and it 
>seems as though mailman will not allow it; Although, what I need is a 
>set of lists with the roman numerals 2 (II) in them, without the address 
>showing up with ii's.  Is there any way to do this?

You can capitalize whatever you like in real_name (The public name of
this list) on the General Options page, and the list will appear that
way on the admin and listinfo overviews and in text on other web
pages, but the list name in URLs and email addresses will still be all
lower case. I think that's the best you can do without significant
code changes.

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[Mailman-Users] capitals in list address'

[Matthew Clarkson]

I know that having capitals in a email address is not standard, and it 
seems as though mailman will not allow it; Although, what I need is a 
set of lists with the roman numerals 2 (II) in them, without the address 
showing up with ii's.  Is there any way to do this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:04 PM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote:
>>>   On the
>>>   other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted
>>>   on python.org pretty quickly.
>>
>>  There's another factor here -- we have plenty of subscribers who
>>  never have never posted to the list, and therefore would never show
>>  up in my Eudora archive, even if I had a complete list of every
>>  message ever sent to the lists.  In that case, using the server-based
>>  tools are the only viable option.
>
>  Please read my message again, Brad. I'm not looking at posts, but
>  subscribe and unsubscribe messages.

I know exactly what you're looking at, and that only works for 
people who have to approve every subscription or who get a notice of 
every unsubscription.  That also assumes that you haven't lost any 
mail along the way, etc

Not all lists are run this way, in fact I would submit that most 
lists probably are not run this way.  And regardless of how large or 
small your e-mail archive is, I doubt that most people have a 100% 
perfect archive of every message that they've ever received over a 
reasonable given period of time.


Speaking only for myself, I know that none of the Mailman-related 
mailing lists hosted on python.org are run this way, and I also know 
that I don't have a perfect e-mail archive.

I've recently moved from Belgium back to the US, and during the 
transition I know that at least a few messages were lost.  I also 
know that e-mail systems are not perfect, and there have probably 
been a few other messages that have been lost along the way that I am 
not aware of.


Even for people who do have a reasonably good e-mail archive, and 
who have their lists configured to send them subscription and 
unsubscription notices, I would challenge you to see how fast Eudora 
(or any other MUA) can search your archives of those messages across 
all your lists, to pull up a given recipient and then compare that to 
the command-line tools such as bin/find_member.


The web interface may not be the greatest and fastest thing 
around, but that's because not everyone has the same moderator (or 
set of moderators) for all their lists, so each moderator is only 
going to be able to see (and search) the list of subscribers for the 
one list they are currently looking at.

But the command-line interface (for the site admin) is something 
altogether different.  As you run larger and larger lists, you become 
more and more dependant on the command-line tools, because they scale 
better than the web tools.  We're working on beefing up the web tools 
to try to address some of these issues, but in the meanwhile there 
are at least some other options that can be used.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Daniel Carvalho wrote:
>>
>>the scripts didn't work - they always return empty lists... Maybe it's a
>>problem with the python instalation iin my computer.
>
>
>What version of Python do you have? Do the scripts issue any error?
>Note that if you mistype either the list name or the list password,
>you will get no output and no error message.


I have updated the scripts at
 and
. They now issue
meaningful errors for invalid hostname, listname or password (in most
cases - during testing, I intentionally garbled a domain name and got
the "non-existent list" message instead of the "error accessing URL"
message. Turns out that the garbled domain was a valid domain that has
a Mailman installation.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:40 PM -0500 2006-04-10, Brad Knowles wrote:

>  On the
>  other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted
>  on python.org pretty quickly.

There's another factor here -- we have plenty of subscribers who 
never have never posted to the list, and therefore would never show 
up in my Eudora archive, even if I had a complete list of every 
message ever sent to the lists.  In that case, using the server-based 
tools are the only viable option.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:44 AM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote:

>  Yes, of course, as I am interacting with Mailman after all, but
>  my setup has one BIG advantage: speed. Using my setup I can search
>  through all the lists in 1 second (the same subscriber may be on multiple
>  lists and want to get off them all).

There's plenty of speed in the Mailmain command-line tools, too.

>Using the Mailman pages I first
>  have to wait, then enter the list name, then wait, then enter my
>  password, then wait, then enter the search, then wait, etc. Just to
>  look at 1 of my 40+ lists. Then repeat all that 40 times...

How big are your lists?  How big is your archive?  I have over 
ten gigabytes of e-mail archives that go back many years, and it 
takes Eudora quite some time to search through all of them.  Even if 
I limit myself to just the Mailman-related lists for which I've only 
been a subscriber for a couple of years, it takes a while.  On the 
other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted 
on python.org pretty quickly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists

[Allan Hansen]

At 11:08 -0500 4/10/06, Brad Knowles wrote:
>At 8:57 AM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote:
>
>>  Instead of looking up subscribers by address, use their names.
>
>   You can also use the Mailman search function, which will work 
>with partial names and e-mail addresses, either by user part or 
>domain part.  If the comment field in their subscription is filled 
>in, that should be searchable too.
>
>   If I were subscribed to your lists, you could search for me by my 
>first name (or part thereof), my last name (or part thereof), or any 
>part of the domain name of the dozen or more different domains that I 
>might use in subscribing to your lists.
>
>
>   In other words, all the necessary features are already there in 
>the search box.  You just have to use them.

Yes, of course, as I am interacting with Mailman after all, but
my setup has one BIG advantage: speed. Using my setup I can search
through all the lists in 1 second (the same subscriber may be on multiple
lists and want to get off them all). Using the Mailman pages I first
have to wait, then enter the list name, then wait, then enter my
password, then wait, then enter the search, then wait, etc. Just to
look at 1 of my 40+ lists. Then repeat all that 40 times...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman isn't working: see /var/log/mailman/post

[Mark Sapiro]

Will Twomey wrote:

>This is what I see in smtp-failure
>
>Apr 10 02:41:41 2006 (23791) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with
>code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')


See


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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 4/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was wondering if there was any mailman documentation that is more
> detailed.  I ran through the setup instructions and as far as I can tell.
> it's just not doing anything... added the aliases etc.  The owner is not
> getting notified.. nor can I send/receive emails sent to that account.
Is your aliases file getting properly used by Postfix? (I don't know
how to do or check this, since I don't use postfix.)

Are your qrunners running? (ps uax | grep qrunner) If not, :
$bin/mailmanctl start

If your qrunners are running, and you're sure your aliases are getting
used properly, check the mailman logs; *some* sort of events should be
generated when you attempt to post.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating a jump to various topics - possible?

[Mark Sapiro]

Jewel wrote:

>A subscriber emailed me asking if the information in a listserv can be 
>organized to be able to jump to the various topics so one doesn't have 
>to scroll down.


I assume you are talking about reading a digest. Depending on your
user's MUA, the user may be able to get close to the desired result by
setting her/his "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?" option to MIME.


>Also, is there a setting in 
>Mailman which will eliminate the redundant messages each time someone 
>responds?


It's called 'moderation' :-)

No. there's no automated way to strip unnecessary quoting from list
posts. You have to train your users.

You can post pleas to the list and publicly chastize people who don't
comply until they get the point (or go away), or you can moderate
offenders and send their posts back to them for editing until they get
it right (or go away), or you can moderate the offenders and fix their
posts for them (way too much work), or you can just post an occasional
reminder (which does little good) and ignore the problem.

One thing I've thought of but never tried is to make the list 'digest
only' for a period of time. This would probably be a disaster however.
You'd just get a digest full of posts with subject "Re: xxx digest,
Vol nn, Issue, nn", most of which quoted the entire digest to which
they were replying.

Anybody out there have another suggestion?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:57 AM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote:

>  Instead of looking up subscribers by address, use their names.

You can also use the Mailman search function, which will work 
with partial names and e-mail addresses, either by user part or 
domain part.  If the comment field in their subscription is filled 
in, that should be searchable too.

If I were subscribed to your lists, you could search for me by my 
first name (or part thereof), my last name (or part thereof), or any 
part of the domain name of the dozen or more different domains that I 
might use in subscribing to your lists.


In other words, all the necessary features are already there in 
the search box.  You just have to use them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Allan Hansen]

>In this gents case I KNOW of SIX, repeat SIX e-mails accounts he uses.  Do I 
>know the very FIRST letter of the account he uses for his subscription??  No.  
>So I have to go thru entire ALPHABET  [page per letter at a time] to find it 
>instead of just being able to scroll down a 60 member page.


Instead of looking up subscribers by address, use their names. And instead of 
using
the Mailman interface, use your mail client (I use Eudora, which has a VERY 
fast and
flexible search engine):

All subscriptions to my lists (40 of them) go through a very simple web 
interface
that requires a name and an address. (My moderators have access to this page, 
so that
they can moderate and subscribe/unsubscribe without being admins - I hesitate 
giving
anyone admin access, but they do need the subscribe/unsubscribe/list_members 
functionality).

Mailman then sends emails to me with the subscription list, name and address.
Eudora (my mail client) filters those into a separate folder. I can now search 
for
a person's name in the Eudora mail box and see all his/her subscriptions over 
time.

Mailman also sends unsubscriptions to me, filtered into a separate mailbox. 
These
messages have only the subscriber address, which is fine by me.

Finally, every month, a cron job sends the contents of all the lists to me. 
These
contain the person's name and address both and get filtered by Eudora into yet 
another
mailbox (containing 'current' subscriptions) (Whenever I get a batch of these, 
I purge
last month's batch). 

This setup lets me quickly see what current subscriptions anyone has
without going anywhere near the server's web interface and without knowing the
person's multiple addresses. I just search for the name. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Description text not appearing in "To:" header?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Brudenell wrote:
>
>I had, incorrectly by the sound of it, assumed Mailman worked the same way 
>because:
>
>1)  Mailman's built-in help text for the 'description' setting says:
>
>description (general): A terse phrase identifying this list.
>This description is used when the mailing list is listed with
>other mailing lists, or in headers, and so forth. It should be
> ^
>as succinct as you can get it, while still identifying what the
>list is.
>
>OK, so the above might refer to the 'header' you can get Mailman to include 
>within the message body up at the top, or it could mean the true headers of 
>messages (ie, the To:/From:/Subject:/Received:/etc header lines).


As I said in my original reply, when the list is anonymous, the
'description' is included in the From: header, so the above, while
misleading in your case, is correct in that the description is used in
some cases in an actual message header.


>By itself it's a bit ambiguous, but then we also have:
>
>2)  Section 2.1.1 of the Mailman Admin help pages at GNU's site
>
>says this:
>
>description
>In the general list overview page, which shows you every
>available mailing list, each list is displayed with a short
>description. The contents of this variable is that description.
>Note that in emails from the mailing list, this description is
>^^
>also used in the comment section of the To: address. This text
>
>should be relatively short and no longer than one line.
>
>This seems pretty clear, and I also found the same information on other 
>sites' help pages using Google (sadly I didn't note down the URLs for any 
>of these).


Yes, it is clear, but unfortunately, it's wrong.


>I'll just assume that Mailman (now) doesn't/shouldn't rewrite the "To:" 
>header as standard and the Mailman Administration help page is out of date.


And we'll get the manual corrected.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "Other subscriptions" page is not showingsubscriptions for one particular list

[Mark Sapiro]

Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
>
>However, can't mailman remove spaces (which are not allowed in hostnames 
>anyway according to the RFC) itself? Or simply ignore them when comparing 
>host names.


Yes. Apparently, up to now, no one thought of this problem. I think at
least leading and trailing spaces should be removed. Actually, I think
only a trailing space would be a problem. A leading or imbedded space
would result in invalid email addresses and would probably not go
unnoticed.


>Similarly, case shouldn't matter in hostnames, 
>as "proscientia.tuwien.ac.at" and "ProScientia.TUWien.Ac.At" are the same by 
>definition. So all hostname checks should be made case-insensitive.
>Or would this be too hard to be implemented in mailman?


No. It's not too hard :-) Since people often prefer one spelling over
the other, I would not want to convert saved host domain names to
lower case, but we could certainly do a case insensitive compare.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman isn't working: see /var/log/mailman/post

[Mark Sapiro]

Will Twomey wrote:

>I don't see anything wrong coming up in /var/log/mail.log,
>/var/log/mail.err nor /var/log/mailman/error
>
>/var/log/mailman/post shows this, however.  Any ideas?
>
>I'm using Debian stable, everything was working (havn't touched it).
>
>Apr 10 02:15:23 2006 (21439) post to test from [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>size=2093, message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>2 failures
>Apr 10 02:15:23 2006 (21439) post to test from
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1010,
>message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 1
>failures


Both the /var/log/mailman/smtp and /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure logs
will have info about these. These are just bounces occurring at the
SMTP level between Mailman and the outgoing MTA.
/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure has the detailed error info.

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[Mailman-Users] creating a jump to various topics - possible?

[Jewel]

A subscriber emailed me asking if the information in a listserv can be 
organized to be able to jump to the various topics so one doesn't have 
to scroll down.I personally can't think of how this could be done 
but wanted to run it by the experts.  Also, is there a setting in 
Mailman which will eliminate the redundant messages each time someone 
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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[spamuser2]

Hi all,

  I'm running postfix with virtual host and mysql.
I mainly followed the following guide:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml


I was wondering if there was any mailman documentation that is more
detailed.  I ran through the setup instructions and as far as I can tell.
it's just not doing anything... added the aliases etc.  The owner is not
getting notified.. nor can I send/receive emails sent to that account.

Any ideas suggestion would be appreciated.

Joe

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Description text not appearing in "To:" header?

[Mike Brudenell]

Greetings -

--On 9 April 2006 17:17:37 -0700 Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mike Brudenell wrote:
>>
>> Things have been going very well, except I've just noticed that messages
>> I'm sending out to my test list are coming through with the header:
>>
>>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Because that's how you addressed the message you sent.

Hmmm, I think my mental model of Mailman's operation needs tweaking 
slightly...


>> However given I had set the list's 'Description' setting to "A test
>> list" I  was instead expecting it to be:
>>
>>To: A test list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> If the list is anonymous, that's what the From: header will look like,
> but Mailman doesn't change the To: header unless the list is fully
> personalized in which case, the To: becomes the message recipient, not
> the list.

We're currently using (a rather old version of) Lyris ListManager at 
present.  As standard this deliberately rewrites the "To:" header of 
messages it distributes out to members of lists so that:

a)  Whatever was in the "To:" header is removed, then
b)  It is replaced with the list's short description followed by
the list's address

To be honest this is one of the things I hate about Lyris ListManager, as 
it makes it difficult when someone cross-posts their message to a number of 
lists: as standard a recipient only sees their copy as going "To:" the only 
list they're on, so any reply they make goes only to that one list, rather 
than all the lists the original was posted to.

(Yes, it is possible to alter this, but the standard is this action.)

I had, incorrectly by the sound of it, assumed Mailman worked the same way 
because:

1)  Mailman's built-in help text for the 'description' setting says:

description (general): A terse phrase identifying this list.
This description is used when the mailing list is listed with
other mailing lists, or in headers, and so forth. It should be
 ^
as succinct as you can get it, while still identifying what the
list is.

OK, so the above might refer to the 'header' you can get Mailman to include 
within the message body up at the top, or it could mean the true headers of 
messages (ie, the To:/From:/Subject:/Received:/etc header lines).

By itself it's a bit ambiguous, but then we also have:

2)  Section 2.1.1 of the Mailman Admin help pages at GNU's site

says this:

description
In the general list overview page, which shows you every
available mailing list, each list is displayed with a short
description. The contents of this variable is that description.
Note that in emails from the mailing list, this description is
^^
also used in the comment section of the To: address. This text

should be relatively short and no longer than one line.

This seems pretty clear, and I also found the same information on other 
sites' help pages using Google (sadly I didn't note down the URLs for any 
of these).

If Mailman doesn't rewrite the "To:" header as standard perhaps the 
information in (2) above relates to an earlier version?  I did manage to 
find a thread suggesting a change in this area had been experimented with 
but then backed out, albeit back in 2002:



I'll just assume that Mailman (now) doesn't/shouldn't rewrite the "To:" 
header as standard and the Mailman Administration help page is out of date.

Thanks for the help,
Mike B-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "Other subscriptions" page is not showingsubscriptions for one particular list

[Reinhold Kainhofer]

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Am Montag, 10. April 2006 04:21 schrieben Sie:
> Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
> >Any ideas what might be the problem?
> >Are there any "hidden" settings (not available in the web UI), which
> > causes the lists to appear disconnected (although the name and email are
> > identical)?
>
> The 'hidden' setting is the list's web_page_url attribute. This is set
> at list creation time by interpolating the create web domain into
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN.

They were correctly set on the command line.

> BUT, this setting is not what determines whether or not a list appears
> in the user's "list my subscriptions" list. It is the list's visible
> host_name attribute that determines this.
>
> You say all the lists use exactly the same hostname. Do you mean the
> host_name attribute on the General Options page? Your symptom would be
> explained if the proscientia- lists all have one host_name
> and the proscientia list has another (perhaps differing only in case)
> host_name.

Ah, thanks a lot. Indeed, this one list had a trailing space in the host_name 
setting. Removing it fixed the problem.

However, can't mailman remove spaces (which are not allowed in hostnames 
anyway according to the RFC) itself? Or simply ignore them when comparing 
host names. Similarly, case shouldn't matter in hostnames, 
as "proscientia.tuwien.ac.at" and "ProScientia.TUWien.Ac.At" are the same by 
definition. So all hostname checks should be made case-insensitive.
Or would this be too hard to be implemented in mailman?

Cheers,
Reinhold

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[Will Twomey]

I don't see anything wrong coming up in /var/log/mail.log,
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/var/log/mailman/post shows this, however.  Any ideas?

I'm using Debian stable, everything was working (havn't touched it).

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