[Mailman-Users] FAQ 5.3 localdomain.localhost problem

2006-12-01 Thread Dewhirst, Rob
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#5.3

I have the correct DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and
DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py and I am still getting emails with urls
referring to localdomain.localhost in them.  I have restarted mailman
after the change.

I noticed in Defaults.py there is a note that DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has been
replaced with DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.

In any case, they are both defined and both correct. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
was NOT defined in my mm_cfg.py file when the problematic list was
created. I added it to solve this problem.  No other lists or new ones I
create have this problem.  This was the first list I created that has
this problem.

Ideas?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 5.3 localdomain.localhost problem

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 12/1/06, Dewhirst, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have the correct DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and
 DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py and I am still getting emails with urls
 referring to localdomain.localhost in them.  I have restarted mailman
 after the change.

 Ideas?

Run fix_url

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman still sending command confirmations via e-maili

2006-12-01 Thread Ben Swihart
My problem is that Mailman is sending The results of your email 
commands messages when a subscription is successful and *I do not want 
it to do that* as I have set the send_welcome_msg to Yes and this is 
unfriendly and redundant to the welcome message that goes out to new 
members.

Can you help?

Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] tried to help by sending me a patch.

In my Defaults.py file I added

# Should Mailman send a response to a successful e-mail 'confirm' command?
RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM = No

And, in cmd_confirm.py I modified a couple lines:

-(results[0] == Pending.UNSUBSCRIPTION and 
mlist.send_goodbye_msg)):

+(results[0] == Pending.UNSUBSCRIPTION and 
mlist.send_goodbye_msg)
+or
+(not mm_cfg.RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM)):



Also, Mark said: The command results should not be sent if a welcome 
will be sent (send_welcome_msg on General Options is Yes) even without 
the patch.

Well, I have set the send_welcome_msg to Yes.  These command result 
e-mails are still going out.

Also, is mailmainctl -s restart the proper way to restart and 
incorporate changes to the code?

Thank you,

Ben
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing invalid list members

2006-12-01 Thread Dave Sherohman
Three days and no responses...  So there's no way to remove the address
described below?  The code that strips the second @ and everything after
it can't be bypassed?  You can't safely edit the database to delete it
directly without going through remove_members and the sanitizing code?
There's got to be *some* way to do it.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
 Somehow, a user has gotten himself subscribed to one of my lists with
 an address of the form [EMAIL PROTECTED]@hotmail.com.  How do I get rid of 
 this
 subscription?
 
 The various web interface options just give an error that this address
 is not subscribed (even while showing it on the list of subscribers -
 might want to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing) and
 remove_members from the command line gives a traceback culminating in
 Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: [EMAIL PROTECTED], so I'd guess that some 
 address
 sanity-checking is what's killing the attempt.
 
 In case it matters, I'm running Mailman from Debian's 2.1.5-8sarge5
 package and this user is probably a carryover from an earlier version,
 as remove_member's traceback starts in OldStyleMemberships.py.  And
 here's the traceback, too, just to be complete:
 
 --- cut here ---
 # remove_members my-list [EMAIL PROTECTED]@hotmail.com
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /usr/sbin/remove_members, line 186, in ?
 main()
   File /usr/sbin/remove_members, line 176, in main
 admin_notif, userack)
   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 990, in 
 ApprovedDeleteMember
 self.removeMember(emailaddr)
   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line 220, in 
 removeMember
 self.__assertIsMember(member)
   File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line 113, in 
 __assertIsMember
 raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
 Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 --- cut here ---

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing invalid list members

2006-12-01 Thread Barry Warsaw

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 5.3 localdomain.localhost problem

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:

On 12/1/06, Dewhirst, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have the correct DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and
 DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py and I am still getting emails with urls
 referring to localdomain.localhost in them.  I have restarted mailman
 after the change.

 Ideas?

Run fix_url

I've updated FAQ 5.3 to clarify that DEFAULT_HOST_NAME should not be
used and to reference FAQ 4.69 re: fix_url.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing invalid list members

2006-12-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
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[Barry swears he typed a response!]

What I tried to say was, use bin/withlist -l mylist and call  
m.removeMember() explicitly.  Then m.Save() to save the changes.

- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Old lists are working. New lists discardallmessages. How to debug?

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brian Parish wrote:

4. discard_these_nonmembers is blank and generic_nonmember_action
 is hold

5. forward_auto_discards is set to Yes, so I see the discards, but with no 
explanation as to why

Given point 4, I don't understand how mailman can do anything but hold the 
message for approval, whether I am correctly subscribed or not.


In Mailman as distributed by the Mailman project, 4) and 5) above are
not possible. The only auto discards which are forwarded to the list
owner as a result of forward_auto_discards being set to Yes are those
discards which result from a match with discard_these_nonmembers or
generic_nonmember_action of Discard.

Other Discards can result from member_moderation_action,
header_filter_rules. KNOWN_SPAMMERS (in mm_cfg.py), or 'scrubbing' of
an HTML message if ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 0, but none of these
forward to the list owner.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Old lists are working. New lists discardallmessages. How to debug?

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brian Parish wrote:

I did a bit more digging and found that the lists which don't work have
no entries in /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

Obviously a problem!  Tried creating another list and found that entries
were created in /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman and indeed, that
one works (although with other issues, which I'll post on separately). 
Having gone through the same process for both, I am at a loss to
understand this, but does this info add anything to the understanding of
anyone else?


You can try running bin/genaliases which should rebuild the aliases and
virtual-mailman files.

The fact that the list entries are missing from virtual-mailman may be
another manifestation of the same underlying problem, but I don't
think it is the cause per se as the posts are getting through the MTA
(Postfix?) and getting discarded by Mailman. If the missing
virtual-mailman entries were the problem, the posts would be rejected
by Postfix or misdelivered.

You could check your Postfix log to verify that the post is ultimately
piped to |path/to/mail/mailman post listname.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Fedora Core, 500 Internal Server Error

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Vernon Webbwrote:

Next I look in my /var/log/httpd/suexec.log and I get:

[2006-11-24 10:07:27]: uid: (500/morganfundingcorp) gid: (500/500) cmd: 
confirm 
[2006-11-24 10:07:27]: file is either setuid or setgid: (/usr/lib/mailman/cgi- 
bin/confirm)

So I change from 2755 with User as root, Group as mailman to 0755 and now I 
get:

[2006-11-25 14:45:43]: uid: (500/morganfundingcorp) gid: (500/500) cmd: admin 
[2006-11-25 14:45:43]: target uid/gid (500/500) mismatch with directory (0/41) 
or 
program (0/41) 
[2006-11-25 14:45:49]: uid: (500/morganfundingcorp) gid: (500/500) cmd: 
listinfo 
[2006-11-25 14:45:49]: target uid/gid (500/500) mismatch with directory (0/41) 
or 
program (0/41)


You may find something helpful in
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing invalid list members

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote:

What I tried to say was, use bin/withlist -l mylist and call  
m.removeMember() explicitly.  Then m.Save() to save the changes.

And, please note that this is in the FAQ at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.013.htp.

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[Mailman-Users] Questions regarding mailman tunning FAQ 6.6

2006-12-01 Thread Xueshan Feng

I am looking into ways to improve performance for our mailman server. It
currently serves 15,000 mailing list, and the largest list has more than
10,000 members. We are running mailman 2.1.8 with Postfix. We have load
spike at 20, and during busy hours, load average is around 10.  Messages
delays do occur but not too bad yet. I want to be more proactive to
prevent things from getting worse. 

Mailman FAQ 6.6 mentioned the following configuration tuning for
qrunner:

|Set your qrunner proc to live longer, and extend the lock life: 

|QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(10)
|QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15)
|QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300
|Set these to 20 hours, 2 hours and 5

I cannot find these variables used anywhere in source code, other than
mentioned in NEWS file in the mailman release.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Xueshan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notification loop

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brian Parish wrote:

With *bounce_processing set to Yes on one list I get:
*

The attached message was received as a bounce...

messages, with the same message attached many times.  i.e. The Uncaught bounce 
notification IS the attached message.  These continue streaming out until I 
turn off *bounce_processing


This loop should not occur. Unless the owner address(es) for the site
(mailman) list bounce. Uncaught bounce notifications are send from
sitelist-owner with envelope from sitelist-owner. Thus, if the
list owner address bounces, and the bounce is uncaught, the new notice
will be sent to the owner of the site list, which should be
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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ken Cheney wrote:

When I send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the names don't unsubscribe from the 
lists.


Does the mail reach Mailman? Is anything returned to the sender? What
does the MTA log say it did with the mail?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 5.3 localdomain.localhost problem

2006-12-01 Thread Dewhirst, Rob

 I've updated FAQ 5.3 to clarify that DEFAULT_HOST_NAME should 
 not be used and to reference FAQ 4.69 re: fix_url.

withlist -l -r fix_url listname

worked great.  Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-01 Thread Ken Cheney
Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the MTA 
logs?  how would I tell if the message made it to mailman.  Come to think of it 
I have seen in logs where it say [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been removed from the 
list.  Yet my email address is still on the list.
   
  Thanks.
  Ken

Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ken Cheney wrote:

When I send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the names don't unsubscribe from the 
lists.


Does the mail reach Mailman? Is anything returned to the sender? What
does the MTA log say it did with the mail?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing invalid list members

2006-12-01 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 11:03:26AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Barry Warsaw wrote:
 What I tried to say was, use bin/withlist -l mylist and call  
 m.removeMember() explicitly.  Then m.Save() to save the changes.

Yep, that took care of it.  Thanks!

 And, please note that this is in the FAQ at
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.013.htp.

Mea culpa.  It never even occurred to me that this might be common
enough to appear in the FAQ.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ken Cheney wrote:

I send email to the list using my corprate Outlook client to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 what setting do i have in error that logs [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]  I dont have a mail client on the list server at all.  Strickly 
command line shell only.


Some MTA between your corprate Outlook client and Mailman is rewriting
the headers in your message. This also explains why you can't
unsubscribe via mail to listname-leave.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Most recent posts to top of page

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry R Cisna wrote:

I m sure this is an easy fix, but i can not find a howto on doing this:
How do I get MM to show most recent posts at top of the page,rather than
the default, most recent are at the bottom..


Which page? archives? admindb? something else?

In any case, it's probably a code hack.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ken Cheney wrote:

Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the 
MTA logs?


Maybe /var/log/maillog; maybe somewhere else.


how would I tell if the message made it to mailman.


There will be a maillog entry indicating the message was delivered via
a pipe to the wrapper as in |path/to/mail/mailman leave listname in
the case of mail to listname-leave.


Come to think of it I have seen in logs where it say [EMAIL PROTECTED] has 
been removed from the list.  Yet my email address is still on the list.


Did you subsequently resubscribe? Were you removed from one list and
still on another? Are you confusing the list owner with list members?

Mailman's subscribe log should have all the subscribe and unsubscribe
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding mailman tunning FAQ 6.6

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Xueshan Feng wrote:

Mailman FAQ 6.6 mentioned the following configuration tuning for
qrunner:

|Set your qrunner proc to live longer, and extend the lock life: 

|QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(10)
|QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15)
|QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300
|Set these to 20 hours, 2 hours and 5


These are Mailman 2.0.x settings. They aren't relevant to Mailman 2.1.x.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of old stuff in the FAQ.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to setup umbrella lists

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:

The patch, I believe, is here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1220144group_id=103atid=300103


And I just added a comment to the tracker item that the patch applies
without change to Mailman 2.1.9.

Additionally, each sublist either needs 'require_explicit_destination'
set to 'No,' or the address of the umbrella list added to
'acceptable_aliases'.

There may be something I'm missing, but I think that's everything.


And sublist-a may require @sublist-b in it's accept_these_nonmembers
and so forth, although this can often be avoided by adding the
umbrella-bounces address as a member with delivery disabled on each
sublist.

Adding the umbrella-bounces address to the sublist's
accept_these_nonmembers is not the same, and generally won't work
unless USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is Yes in mm_cfg.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:

Unfortunately, it looks like, since Moderate.py comes before anything
else, there's no really 'correct' way to do this.


It doesn't come before SpamDetect which processes header_filter_rules,
so your suggestion below won't work.


One option that ought to work, however, would be the following:
Moderate all users that you want rejected, and set
member_moderation_action to reject. Unmoderate the users you want
held. Add a header filter rule that matches on everything (something
like a single caret ('^') should suffice), and is set to Hold. I
haven't tested this, and I don't know if it will work or not.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action

2006-12-01 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 12/1/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Patrick Bogen wrote:

 Unfortunately, it looks like, since Moderate.py comes before anything
 else, there's no really 'correct' way to do this.


 It doesn't come before SpamDetect which processes header_filter_rules,
 so your suggestion below won't work.

Indeed, this is correct. I think I failed at reading, since
Moderate.py isn't anything like the first in the pipeline. :/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman still sending command confirmations viae-maili

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ben Swihart wrote:

Well, I have set the send_welcome_msg to Yes.  These command result 
e-mails are still going out.

Also, is mailmainctl -s restart the proper way to restart and 
incorporate changes to the code?


The -s option is not really applicable to a 'restart', but yes, that
should do it. In general, it is not a good idea to use '-s' unless you
have run the command (really only mailmanctl start) without it and it
has complained about locks and you have verified that the locks really
are stale. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.068.htp.

That said, these confirmations shouldn't be sent in your case with or
without the patch.

Look at the file Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py. You will see the
definition of the Results class and within that, the definition of the
send_response() method which should begin as follows:

def send_response(self):
# Helper
def indent(lines):
return ['' + line for line in lines]
# Quick exit for some commands which don't need a response
if not self.respond:
return

Do you see that? Also, in cmd_confirm.py right after the lines you
patched, do you see

# We don't also need to send a confirmation succeeded
message
res.respond = 0
else:

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:

On 12/1/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It doesn't come before SpamDetect which processes header_filter_rules,
 so your suggestion below won't work.

Indeed, this is correct. I think I failed at reading, since
Moderate.py isn't anything like the first in the pipeline. :/


I also wrote in another reply in this thread which seems stuck in a
mail queue somewhere that the Approved: password header bypasses all
tests except content filtering. This is not correct. It doesn't bypass
header_filter_rules (unless you reorder the pipeline).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't login mailman list admin web

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stanley Chen wrote:

Recently we have sent out several mails to this list, and it's still 
running.


What is still running? Is Mailman still sending to the MTA?


However, we can't login to the admin webpage. After we input password, 
the page was loading as shown in the status bar, but after several 
minutes still can't show the admin page and finally it said page can't 
be loaded.


Seems like the list may be locked. If so, and the lock is stale, you
can manually remove the lock from Mailman's locks/ directory, but
first be sure it isn't locked by some current process.

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[Mailman-Users] list members do not get mail :details

2006-12-01 Thread brcisna
Hello List,

I have setup a couple other MM installs in the past.  This is the first
time i have installed MM on a server different from the mail server that
users use.
I never see any smtp-failures in the MM logs?
Ive went through the faq 3.1.4 Users not receiving mail. No joy:(. 
Below is a copy paste of the mail log on the actual MM server.
Is the mailer=local corrrect?
I have copyed pasted aliases into /etc/aliases,,,run newaliases...
I can telnet send from MM server to Mail server no probs. it appears by
the post bewlow that the mail has sent to the ,,remote mail server( on the
same LAN). Im not familar at all even after reading for many hours on how
to use the test folder in the MM directory? I must still be  newbie:).
There uis surely a built in tester in MM to replicte a sent email to
MM,then the sendout to list members,but i cant find it?
Below is a cpoy from the mail server that MM resides on. I NEVER see any
listing on the actual mail server that this is sending to, though

MM 2.18  Fedora COre 5  sendmail

Thanks,

Barry Cisna




to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] list members do not get mail :details

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Cisna wrote:

Below is a copy paste of the mail log on the actual MM server.
Is the mailer=local corrrect?

to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02,
mailer=local, pri=86494, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent


This is from the MTA log, thus the message was delivered from Mailman
to this MTA and this MTA delivered it somewhere - perhaps a local
mailbox, have you checked?


I have copyed pasted aliases into /etc/aliases,,,run newaliases...


Mailman's aliases have to do with delivery of incoming mail to Mailman,
not sending from Mailman.


There uis surely a built in tester in MM to replicte a sent email to
MM,then the sendout to list members,but i cant find it?

You can use bin/inject to place a message in Mailman's 'in' queue, but
look in Mailman's 'smtp' log. Do you see outgoing messages there? It
seems that Mailman is delivering the mail to the outgoing MTA. What
happens to it after that is an MTA issue, not a Mailman issue.


Below is a cpoy from the mail server that MM resides on. I NEVER see any
listing on the actual mail server that this is sending to, though

MM 2.18  Fedora COre 5  sendmail

to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02,
mailer=local, pri=86494, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent


If I understand correctly, Mailman is delivering to sendmail on the
local machine, sendmail is sending the mail somewhere as evidenced by
the above log entry, but the mail isn't getting to the end recipient.
This would seem to be an issue with the local sendmail. It sent the
mail somewhere.

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