[Mailman-Users] Wrong group

2006-12-18 Thread Ralph Utbult
I run mailman with Postfix. Have MTA='Postfix' and have run check_perm a
number of times, with -f
How do I tweak the mail server (a.k..a Postfix) to run the script as
group mail?

Ralph


/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman. Command output: Group
mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be
executed as
group mail, but the system's mail server executed the mail script
as
group mailman.  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
group
mail, or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wrong group

2006-12-18 Thread Todd Zullinger
Ralph Utbult wrote:
 I run mailman with Postfix. Have MTA='Postfix' and have run
 check_perm a number of times, with -f
 How do I tweak the mail server (a.k..a Postfix) to run the script as
 group mail?

What are the permissions and owner/group for the mailman aliases file?
Postfix will execute the mailman wrapper as the group that the aliases
file belongs to, so you should be able to fix this by changing that
group to mail instead of mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

2006-12-18 Thread Ralph Utbult
Ooops - sent this to Dan instead of the list...

  I run mailman with Postfix. Have MTA='Postfix' and have run
 check_perm
  a number of times, with -f How do I tweak the mail server (a.k..a
  Postfix) to run the script as group mail?
 
 If you installed Mailman from source, it's usually much easier to 
 follow the other suggested fix: rerun configure the
 --with-mail- gid=mailman option. If you installed from a package 
 that might be more difficult. Please tell us what version of Mailman 
 you're using and how it was installed.
 
 Dan

Installed package via X (Gnome). Version 2.1.9. Since I'm not a regular
Un*x administrator (fix some simple mail problem once a month) I tend to
like GUI over CMD ;-) 

Todd, my /usr/lib/mailman/subdir-files all have mail as GUID. Isn't that
suppose to mean mail client (Postfix)?
Silly question, is the mail wrapper the /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
file?
Aliases is root mail and aliases.db is mail mail

Isn't group mailman used at all?

/Ralph
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoing messagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-18 Thread Carl Zwanzig
In a flurry of recycled electrons, Brad Knowles wrote:

 Well, I updated the listinfo page for mailman-users in three places. 
 The first paragraph now reads:
 
   This mailing list is for users and other parties interested
   in the Mailman mailing list management system, as provided
   for download via the resources shown at
   http://www.list.org/download.html. There is a separate
   mailing list for people interested in discussion about
   development of the system - mailman-developers.

Brad- I like those descriptions, although I might further clarify that
uesrs doesn't mean people sending mail through mailman, it means
people installing/managing/troubleshooting mailman.

Also, could we use a short faq page that lists some common search terms 
and their local format/style? This would cover things like the space 
in MAC OS.

z!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

2006-12-18 Thread Todd Zullinger
Ralph Utbult wrote:
 Installed package via X (Gnome). Version 2.1.9.

What distro and distro version?

 Since I'm not a regular Un*x administrator (fix some simple mail
 problem once a month) I tend to like GUI over CMD ;-) 

Fair enough.  Though mailman provides no GUI method of installing, so
any such method that is used would have to be provided by your distro
and you'd likely have to ask them for help if it fails (or hope that
someone here uses the same distro and can tell you how to get it
working).

 Todd, my /usr/lib/mailman/subdir-files all have mail as GUID. Isn't
 that suppose to mean mail client (Postfix)?
 Silly question, is the mail wrapper the
 /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman file?

Yeah, that's the wrapper script.  I'm not entirely sure how or if
postfix checks the permissions and ownership of the wrapper.  The
perms/ownership I think are most important to postfix are those of the
alias file.

 Aliases is root mail and aliases.db is mail mail

That seems like the right setup.  What does your Postfix alias_maps
setting say?  Is there a separate entry for the mailman aliases
there?

 Isn't group mailman used at all?

The default if you install mailman from source is to use group
mailman.  I know that Debian uses group mail in their packages.  I'm
not sure what other distros use group mail.  In any event, that's a
choice made by the folks that package mailman for your system.  You'll
have to ask whomever that is for specific advice on getting the
Postfix integration working with the setup they've provided you.  I've
installed mailman from source and from Red Hat and Fedora packages and
not had much trouble getting that integration working smoothly.  YMMV.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

2006-12-18 Thread Todd Zullinger
Ralph,

Also, you should check out the Mailman install manual, at least the
section on integrating Postfix.

http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node13.html

And of course, peruse the Mailman FAQ if you haven't already done so.

If the package you are using has omitted some of these steps you may
need to finish them.  And file a bug/feature request with the packager
to see if they can do this automatically in the future.

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[Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

2006-12-18 Thread stupidmail4me
I'm pulling my hair out on this one.

I have mailman working on one machine and can't get it
to work on another with the exact same config.

Here's the setup:
OpenBSD 4.0
Mailman 2.1.8p3

I have in my mc file I have
VIRTUSER_DOMAIN(`lists.foo.org') set (and yes, I've
run m4 and made the cf file). In mailertable I've got
lists.foo.org mailman:lists.foo.org. But if I try and
send a message I get a 550 5.1.1 User Unknown.

What am I doing wrong? For the life of me I'v  tried
everything?!?!?!?!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server 10.3: Outgoing messagesstuck in qrunner/in folder

2006-12-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:38 AM -0800 12/18/06, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

  Brad- I like those descriptions, although I might further clarify that
  uesrs doesn't mean people sending mail through mailman, it means
  people installing/managing/troubleshooting mailman.

Good point.  I'll make that change.

  Also, could we use a short faq page that lists some common search terms
  and their local format/style? This would cover things like the space
  in MAC OS.

Also a good idea.  Do you want to get something started, and then let 
others fill in/correct as necessary?

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[Mailman-Users] How to exclude certain topics but subscribe to all others?

2006-12-18 Thread Kelly Jones
I'm subscribed to a mailman mailing list. I want to receive all emails
on the list *except those* matching a given topic or topics. How do I
do this?

If a new topic is created, I want to be subscribed to it by default,
but have the option of excluding it as well.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Wrong group

2006-12-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ralph Utbult wrote:

Todd, my /usr/lib/mailman/subdir-files all have mail as GUID. Isn't that
suppose to mean mail client (Postfix)?


They should all be GID = the group of the 'mailman' user, which is
probably 'mailman' judging from the group mismatch error you reported.
Then, the question is why doesn't bin/check_perms -f fix it? Are you
running this as root?


Silly question, is the mail wrapper the /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
file?


Yes.


Aliases is root mail and aliases.db is mail mail

Isn't group mailman used at all?


Which ailases and aliases.db. The ones in /etc, I'm guessing.

With MTA = 'Postfix' Mailman maintains its aliases separately in
Mailman's data/aliases and data/aliases.db. These are the files that
are apparently GID='mailman' and not GID='mail'. However, if you
change them to GID='mail', Mailman's list create and delete processes
may no longer be able to update them, so you may be stuck.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp
for more on how Mailman uses groups.

It seems like whoever created your package either didn't intend you to
use Postfix or did a poor job.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to exclude certain topics but subscribe to allothers?

2006-12-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Kelly Jones wrote:

I'm subscribed to a mailman mailing list. I want to receive all emails
on the list *except those* matching a given topic or topics. How do I
do this?


You have to subscribe to every topic except the ones you don't want,
and also elect to receive messages that don't match any topic. This
may or may not be what you want because a message can match more than
one topic, and if one of those is one you want to exclude and another
isn't, you'll receive the post.


If a new topic is created, I want to be subscribed to it by default,
but have the option of excluding it as well.


It doesn't work that way. You have to somehow become aware that there
is a new topic and subscribe to it.

In order to get what you want, you'd have to implement a 'topics to
avoid' option. There currently is no such option.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem hooking mailman up with sendmail

2006-12-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
stupidmail4me wrote:

I have in my mc file I have
VIRTUSER_DOMAIN(`lists.foo.org') set (and yes, I've
run m4 and made the cf file). In mailertable I've got
lists.foo.org mailman:lists.foo.org. But if I try and
send a message I get a 550 5.1.1 User Unknown.


Have you installed aliases for the list(s) in /etc/aliases or ??

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