Re: [Mailman-Users] How to PRESERVE multipart/mixed format
At 2:50 PM +0200 3/6/07, andReadG wrote: The link is correct and everything works in the end, but I would prefer the original attachment to remain within the original mime multipart message! The sending of any kind of MIME/HTML format e-mail is a really, really bad idea. It's bad enough that there isn't a single mail client on the planet that can actually do anything remotely close to a decent job of *writing* MIME/HTML format messages, but compound that with the problem that there isn't a single mail client on the planet that is capable of properly *reading* MIME/HTML format messages, and you have a disaster. The problem is that crap from one particular vendor will mostly kinda-semi-sorta work okay with other crap from the same vendor, but then everyone gets lulled into this sense that everyone else should be exposed to the same crap. More importantly, people get criminally misled into the view that their particular brand of crap should necessarily be inflicted upon the entire rest of the world, because it obviously works quite well enough for them -- if only the entire rest of the world would kow-tow to them. Of course, the particular brand of crap from one vendor rarely interoperates well at all with any kind of crap from any other kind of vendor. Trust me, when it comes to MIME/HTML and any kind of MIME/multipart format, the whole world would be so much better off if the entire concept had never been invented. Short of that, it would be best if all of that got removed from the entire rest of the world, so that we wouldn't have to deal with all that. Failing that, we should at least try to fix all multi-party communications channels that happen through commonly shared mechanisms such as mailing lists. And yes, I recognize the hubris and irony in suggesting that I know better than anyone else in the world on this subject, and that everyone else should kow-tow to me. ;) Can it be done? Yeah. Turn off all filtering within Mailman. And be prepared for the deluge of sewage. (note: the actual MTA is postfix) The MTA you use is not relevant to this particular question. Please understand, I'm not blaming you for any of this. I know that you've probably got some sort of impossible demand that has been handed down to you from $DEITY's-gift-to-your-organization, and that you have to just live with it. But that doesn't make it a good idea. Sometimes people demand that you do things that are not in their best interest. And sometimes when you give them what they demand, even if you know how bad it is for them, it doesn't actually blow up in their face -- at least, not immediately. But you know that, sooner or later, it will blow up in their face, and then they will forget that they demanded that you give them the loaded bazooka without a safety and then blame you for allowing them to blow off their entire leg -- and half the city as well. Face it -- you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. That's just the nature of this business. But you should at least have some sort of idea of what you're getting yourself into. I hope I'm not asking something naive! Sadly enough, no. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu Slides from Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
Hello, I'm trying to set up mailman along with postfix to be able to create my own mailllists at home.. I use a dyndns, which I'd like to use for the mail list URL (is that possible??) - boffman.mine.nu. It seems to work fine, I can send mail between users on the machine, locally.. I can send mail from a local user to an external mail.. And the other way around. I can also subscribe to a list, locally, and get the confirmation.. But this is what fails externally. That is, if I send a mail to some [EMAIL PROTECTED] from an external mail account, something goes wrong.. For some reason it uses the result from gethostname()(?) as address in the mail ( blahblah.bredband.comhem.se) instead of boffman.mine.nu. I have a log extract from the mail log over this scenario, here: http://rafb.net/p/WRvuTL64.html As I understand, something (wrong) happens at line 11.. There it uses @ c83-255-126-145.bredband.comhem.se for the first time.. Which I do not want.. And after that, it uses that as from-address in the relay.. Or something. I can't figure out what happens.. I just hope it's some simple configuration detail that I've missed. Any tips are highly apprecciated !! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
Quoting Stefan Berglund ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): That is, if I send a mail to some [EMAIL PROTECTED] from an external mail account, something goes wrong.. For some reason it uses the result from gethostname()(?) as address in the mail ( blahblah.bredband.comhem.se) instead of boffman.mine.nu. That's a Postfix issue. In /etc/postfix/main.cf, you need to specify the myhostname, mydomain, and possibly the masquerade_domains -- Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.xcski.com/ It's not hard, it's just asking for a visit by the fuckup fairy. -- Peter da Silva -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] header
Hi, I have the mailman with freebsd and postfix. My hostname is host.domain.com, and the list is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I want [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I can´t remove de host of header. Anyone can help me? Gerson Oaida === Aviso de confidencialidade: === Esta mensagem da Empresa Brasileira de Pesquisa Agropecuaria (Embrapa), empresa publica federal regida pelo disposto na Lei Federal N. 5.851,de 7 de dezembro de 1972, e enviada exclusivamente a seu destinatario e pode conter informacoes confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional. Sua utilizacao desautorizada e ilegal e sujeita o infrator as penas da lei. Se voce a recebeu indevidamente, queira, por gentileza, reenvia-la ao emitente, esclarecendo o equivoco. = Confidentiality note: = This message from Empresa Brasileira de Pesquisa Agropecuaria (Embrapa) a government company established under Brazilian law (5.851/72) is directed exclusively to its addresses and may contain confidential data, protected under professional secrecy rules. Its unauthorized use is illegal and may subject the transgressor to the law's penalties. If you are not the addressee, please send it back, elucidating the failure. == Embrapa Florestas www.cnpf.embrapa.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery fails with (-2, 'Name or service not known')
Hi, I'm in trouble. I've read the FAQ and everything about it on mailman site. My problem is described in the FAQ (6.14) : http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.014.htp I see these log entries in smtp-failure: Dec 22 21:03:29 2004 (1060) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known') Dec 22 21:18:32 2004 (1060) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not known'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 22 21:18:32 2004 (1060) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known'). This python script : import smtplib connection = smtplib.SMTP() didn't return any error to me... So I've look in my resolv.conf file. My resolv.conf look like this : search domainname.com nameserver 193.24.123.123 but my computer name is ns50.domainname.com. Should I have domainname.com in resolv.conf or ns50.domainanme.com ? I've tried that in python shell : import socket x = socket.gethostname() print x ns50.domainname.com y = socket.gethostbyname(x) print y 127.0.0.1 So i've aded nameserver 127.0.0.1 to my resolv.conf . I've rebooted this computer and restarted mailman daemon. But the problem is always here ... When I try to access to python shell with mailman user ( @# su mailman ) I've got a error : This account is currently not available. So I can't test this python shell script with mailman user ... I've look my /etc/hosts, I think it's world readable : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -lah /etc/hosts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135 Feb 2 16:21 /etc/hosts What should I do ? Any tips ? I have this problem since two week from now ... and I can't see how to solve that :( Thanks you if you have a tips ! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] header
Quoting Gerson Rino Prantl Oaida ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi, I have the mailman with freebsd and postfix. My hostname is host.domain.com, and the list is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I want [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I can´t remove de host of header. Try sending email from that host without using mailman (but not as root). If it's still putting host.domain.com, then you need to make the following changes to your /etc/postfix/main.cf (this will look a lot like the message I sent a few hours ago): mydomain = domain.com myorigin = $mydomain masquerade_domains = $mydomain masquerade_exceptions = webmaster, root -- Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.xcski.com/ In an experiment to determine the precise amount of beer required to enjoy this film, I passed out. -- Dave O'Brien, on Highlander II -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
Stefan Berglund wrote: Hello, I'm trying to set up mailman along with postfix to be able to create my own mailllists at home.. I use a dyndns, which I'd like to use for the mail list URL (is that possible??) - boffman.mine.nu. Paul has addressed your main question. I just want to add that you may have problems trying to run Mailman from a server with a dynamic IP. Earthlink.net for one will not accept your mail. The same is true for some smaller ISPs. They don't like IPs with a 'generic' rDNS. Depending on exactly which ISPs are used by your list members, you may not be able to send mail to all of them unless you have a fixed IP, and rDNS for the IP that points back to your domain. I had the same issue with sending mail directly from my home network. I already had a static IP, but it had a generic name. I had to register my own domain and get the ISP to set rDNS for my IP to point to my domain. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Paul has addressed your main question. I just want to add that you may have problems trying to run Mailman from a server with a dynamic IP. Earthlink.net for one will not accept your mail. The same is true for some smaller ISPs. They don't like IPs with a 'generic' rDNS. Depending on exactly which ISPs are used by your list members, you may not be able to send mail to all of them unless you have a fixed IP, and rDNS for the IP that points back to your domain. I had the same issue with sending mail directly from my home network. I already had a static IP, but it had a generic name. I had to register my own domain and get the ISP to set rDNS for my IP to point to my domain. Which ISP do you use? I have a static IP from my cable company but they refuse to give me an rDNS entry. In every other way, I really like them, but I do get bounces occasionally from people's (IMHO) misconfigured MTAs who don't accept mail from cable rDNSs. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRe7kg3EjvBPtnXfVAQJaCwP/fIMYLx+q2gR2kfx0om3bonPQy+k5tx6p 0Mzth5+RL8gLuBm4ckB7XG1AvBQQsk8KbruD6tPR9Tz0E891QtTIrY4/wEC/m3ck ZshZZqwigAchUDXB3l5KVvE7W1MU2FXQMIrkXfIHMWR3i8rJdHYF6WfMRbq9xti/ NmmYmZUVm90= =2MJA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
Quoting Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Paul has addressed your main question. I just want to add that you may have problems trying to run Mailman from a server with a dynamic IP. Earthlink.net for one will not accept your mail. The same is true for some smaller ISPs. They don't like IPs with a 'generic' rDNS. The biggest problem I had when I was doing a mailman list on my home server was that many sites would refuse email from IPs that were on their RBLs list of dynamic IPs. Yes, some of them look for a valid rDNS, but 99.99% of them were perfectly happy with an rDNS of 74-202-84-132.static.twtelecom.net rather than list.xcski.com. I tried to get around that by sending my outgoing mail through my ISP's outgoing mail server (using Postfix's relayhost = [smtp-server.rochester.rr.com]), but then my ISP wouuld decide I'd sent enough mail for that day and block me for 24 hours. For a while I was using a friend's box on a colo facility for a relayhost, but eventually I moved my lists to first a Virtual Private Server at linode.com, and then to my own colo box. -- Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.xcski.com/ IMAP is just not a very rich protocol. -- Steve Conn, Exchange Server product manager for Microsoft -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] ISPs and rDNS [was: Trouble with mailman external responses]
Barry Warsaw wrote: Which ISP do you use? I have a static IP from my cable company but they refuse to give me an rDNS entry. In every other way, I really like them, but I do get bounces occasionally from people's (IMHO) misconfigured MTAs who don't accept mail from cable rDNSs. I use value.net, now a part of amerion.com, but I don't recommend them. My IP is a DSL connection from amerion.com, but it is via dslextreme.com. I don't know the exact relationship between amerion.com and dslextreme.com, but I have no specific problem with dslextreme.com. Amerion.com is not too responsive. On the rDNS issue, I sent three email requests to Amerion customer service over about 2 weeks. I got no response to the first two. The third request was responded to with I've forwarded this to engineering and the change was made a few days later in only one of two name servers. One more email produced an apology and an update of the second DNS a day or two later. I also can't seem to get them to recognize that their MTA at mail.value.net (Ipswitch Imail, aka SMTPD32, on a MS Windows box) is seriously overloaded or misconfigured resulting in its often reaching its maximum number of concurrent port 25 sessions which causes it to stop listening and refuse a port 25 connect until something finishes. I got so frustrated with connect refusals on my attempts to send mail that I started using my own MTA. That ultimately solved my sending problem, but not the issue of delayed and out of sequence incoming mail. (Actually, I think they've done something as the situation isn't as bad as it once was, but it's still a problem). People see/hear this rant and ask why I just don't go somewhere else, and I have no good answer - just inertia and an attachment to my value.net address. Paul Tomblin wrote: The biggest problem I had when I was doing a mailman list on my home server was that many sites would refuse email from IPs that were on their RBLs list of dynamic IPs. Yes, some of them look for a valid rDNS, but 99.99% of them were perfectly happy with an rDNS of 74-202-84-132.static.twtelecom.net rather than list.xcski.com. Actually, when I first started using my own MTA, I just configured the MTA's primary host name as netblock-68-183-193-239.dslextreme.com, and things worked well except for earthlink.net. I don't know if they would have liked me better if the name had been netblock-68-183-193-239.static.dslextreme.com, but I wound up going through the whole domain registration/rDNS dance before I could get them to unblock me. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] True virtual hosting patch for 2.1.9
Hi, I've applied mailman-vh-2.1.7.patch from http://nix.lauft.net/mailman/ to my mailman 2.1.9 (running on fedora core 5). But I can't create same list name on different domains ... where should I look to fix this problem ? Any tips or logs ? Thanks ! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] sendmail and solaris stuff
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 27, 2007, at 10:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you guys aren't working with either Sendmail or Solaris, I think it would be best for me to walk through and record the entire process, and give that to you as a basis for inclusion where and however you want to use it. Sounds great Hank, thanks. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRe8EOHEjvBPtnXfVAQLlSwP/Yy0m8Imse1G/caR4nHNXOo+TN7FKdEAf IaE7HRIO6Z9e1c0WE0RiaHwpaLWNsBe8ME33sTBv5p9yT5XceL2VTRZz8ZXvCrKX xlCvDKQfNCtXX4Hk3Ezv861QUDJcKJDI3cLV3s1w8uMI43i1ManDwBcC/IEQn9SN hjz2M6Jr33c= =rkmC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] ISPs and rDNS [was: Trouble with mailman external responses]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Actually, when I first started using my own MTA, I just configured the MTA's primary host name as netblock-68-183-193-239.dslextreme.com, and things worked well except for earthlink.net. I don't know if they would have liked me better if the name had been netblock-68-183-193-239.static.dslextreme.com, but I wound up going through the whole domain registration/rDNS dance before I could get them to unblock me. That's not a bad idea actually. So far, I've only had one or two MTAs block me because of my funky reverse and I usually just go through my dormant gmail account to request a whitelisting. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRe8GqnEjvBPtnXfVAQIQSAP9FDBLsdyxX3QapJfHNu70/cRXv2sAPZ6I STH8V9L2PNPZaEPeVGMXKI92bckc3K1UbIRqz9bwt0tL6rsbq+Sk2Yc83dqkxg8X HZy5vbZ4x4kNfClD6YiZFOoA9UqKpjhuXJ1RdkgA1hBVl9Ph8vx8HqwTtFZBlCOk jp/a4NGoUQ4= =CKRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Paul Tomblin wrote: I tried to get around that by sending my outgoing mail through my ISP's outgoing mail server (using Postfix's relayhost = [smtp-server.rochester.rr.com]), but then my ISP wouuld decide I'd sent enough mail for that day and block me for 24 hours. For a while I was using a friend's box on a colo facility for a relayhost, but eventually I moved my lists to first a Virtual Private Server at linode.com, and then to my own colo box. Maybe you know Paul: I looked a long while back and never found a good answer, but can Postfix set a relayhost on a per-recipient basis? IOW, for the one or two domains that block me because of my funky reverse DNS, I'd like to relay them through my ISP, but I'd like to handle everyone else myself. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRe8HBnEjvBPtnXfVAQIt9AP/Vx/laQiZYOTaLmGG70B/8Yq3ooEnZRfT 2KICM6Jt7K7XJDcwjDE5Rr58rv9x3eqm2ENmTywhEsCxUdEZmzHSviU5YDRTCXp5 Nk1BXz4Db5QOmgT/jI5KXt9IJ7UUDUo8KqCPYMAFa+H/CdToAkjHYX+5q213ld1N y7u7Dv86HTA= =kV2v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
At 1:40 PM -0500 3/7/07, Barry Warsaw wrote: Maybe you know Paul: I looked a long while back and never found a good answer, but can Postfix set a relayhost on a per-recipient basis? IOW, for the one or two domains that block me because of my funky reverse DNS, I'd like to relay them through my ISP, but I'd like to handle everyone else myself. All postfix routing solutions can be determined via tables and maps, so you should be able to do that. Just create a suitable map. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu Slides from Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
Quoting Barry Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Paul Tomblin wrote: I tried to get around that by sending my outgoing mail through my ISP's outgoing mail server (using Postfix's relayhost = [smtp-server.rochester.rr.com]), but then my ISP wouuld decide I'd sent enough mail for that day and block me for 24 hours. For a while I was using a friend's box on a colo facility for a relayhost, but eventually I moved my lists to first a Virtual Private Server at linode.com, and then to my own colo box. Maybe you know Paul: I looked a long while back and never found a good answer, but can Postfix set a relayhost on a per-recipient basis? IOW, for the one or two domains that block me because of my Yes. When ISPs first started blocking dynamic IPs, I was adding them one at a time to /etc/postfix/transport like this: .rit.edusmtp:smtp-server.rochester.rr.com rit.edu smtp:smtp-server.rochester.rr.com microsoft.com smtp:smtp-server.rochester.rr.com Make sure you have transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport in /etc/postfix/main.cf -- Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.xcski.com/ Belligerent Design: The theory that life was put on this planet by an external sentient force just to piss me off. - Lore Brand Comics -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
The esteemed Barry Warsaw has said: Which ISP do you use? I have a static IP from my cable company but they refuse to give me an rDNS entry. In every other way, I really like them, but I do get bounces occasionally from people's (IMHO) misconfigured MTAs who don't accept mail from cable rDNSs. - -Barry Barry, I'm going to disagree with you on this one. Virtually all of the spam that gets through the various filters on my box comes from big-service dynamic IP's right here in the US. Right now, I'm trying to home in on some of this spam, and am operating under the assumption that I've got two or three users with infected Microsoft systems sending out port 25 mail without their knowledge. I've pinned down a couple of others. These users haven't got the foggiest notion that there is anything wrong, what is wrong, why it is wrong, or what to do about it, and that seems to be a common affliction among consumer users with always-on internet connectivity. My own site has two IP's, with their own identities separate from my upstream feed, with reverse lookups properly configured, and no port blocking either way. It took some time, discussion, and a couple of very serious technical interviews with their people before they agreed to that. They consider me a commercial site with competent on-site administration, and terms and conditions which are quite different from consumer sites. I'd really call a sendmail receiving site that blocks dynamic IP mail as misconfigured, when virtually all of the mail coming from such IP's is spam. Hank -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Permission issues
Hi again, thanks for the help w/ my previous problem.. However, I had messed it up a bit, so I reinstalled it (postfix + mailman) :-) Now I got some user/group issues.. It complains about postfix running the scripts(?) as nobody instead of mailman. Some googling tells me that this is kindof common, and that postfix should use the same identity as the owner of the aliases file...? Right now I have this postfix config; alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases ..and user mailman owns both these files. Something wrong there..? Also, I get some problem when I try to create a new list now, using the web interface. I get a Oops, there was a bug page, and looking at the mailman error log, it seems to be some kind of permission problem here also; ... admin(29718): os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775) admin(29718): OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testlist.mbox' admin(29718): [- Python Information -] admin(29718): sys.version = 2.4.2 (#1, Jun 13 2006, 15:10:48) [GCC 3.3.5-20050130 (Gentoo 3.3.5.20050130-r1, ssp-3.3.5.20050130-1, pie-8.7.7. admin(29718): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(29718): sys.prefix = /usr admin(29718): sys.exec_prefix = /usr admin(29718): sys.path= /usr admin(29718): sys.platform= linux2 admin(29718): [- Environment Variables -] admin(29718): HTTP_REFERER: http://boffman.mine.nu/mailman/create admin(29718): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache admin(29718): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/create admin(29718): SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache Server at boffman.mine.nuPort 80/address ... And, looking at the path mentioned; # ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/archives/private drwxr-s--x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 7 14:52 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ total 8 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 7 14:52 mailman drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 7 14:52 mailman.mbox It feels like I've missed to do some settings of permissions.. I run gentoo, and followed some gentoo guide.. Did I miss something? Does anyone have any tips? (hehe, I think this is among the most tricky things I've stumbled upon.. I've re-done it a couple of times now, and get new errors every time..! I thought hm, maybe I should set up a mailing list!.. how naive :)) Grateful for help -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Paul Tomblin wrote: Yes. When ISPs first started blocking dynamic IPs, I was adding them one at a time to /etc/postfix/transport like this: .rit.edusmtp:smtp-server.rochester.rr.com rit.edu smtp:smtp-server.rochester.rr.com microsoft.com smtp:smtp-server.rochester.rr.com Make sure you have transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport in /etc/postfix/main.cf Transports, right! (sound of hand smacking head). I will definitely try this next time I get bounced by someone. Thanks! - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRe9PJnEjvBPtnXfVAQIVGQQAqfqw5tbmM2o/D+DqCXCqR7NIOGq6Cmi9 xQPknC/Zykv+HSMx+h19OCxCJRdCgqFhMFefI7Qi6c41hDXoiGHIR9Oa2fiipyo+ H4yNILa3tLWXXYraIkzWOA9WtGMF0UDX9aw2SkkYpwCmjjXBMf9qwdTjiap0Yb/R V6Tk13oAQ6Y= =GBGK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, I'm going to disagree with you on this one. Virtually all of the spam that gets through the various filters on my box comes from big-service dynamic IP's right here in the US. Hi Hank, I don't disagree, except to point out that no-reverse-dns dynamic IP (or clueless owner :). I'm still trying to get my ISP to provide reverse-dns for my static IP address, for which I pay $19.95/mo extra. I don't have many other options except to move to a CoLo, which I'd rather not do. I recognize that there's no good way for an MTA to determine what's truly a dynamic IP address, and that for the money I'm spending, my ISP really should give me a way to set up my reverse. I guess either are as likely to happen as a certain operating system vendor fixing all their deployed units so that botnets are impossible. :/ - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRe9QpnEjvBPtnXfVAQI8rAP/RRNyy7/2u4pw1lLm1iNHCu89ndb1xtHa DwzNPXJt7PKbah7vI+q+tM4uysTPqaigO2nx4PgYDuf78PVjAQ46exBza4WZDDNe tV3blypeOdznEnYTDzykKtuFHuK8IXLRgLw9Lx+/PUo1keezyv76C4cVBGw6LP9h mQRUMMW632M= =zJRo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with mailman external responses
At 2:08 PM -0700 3/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really call a sendmail receiving site that blocks dynamic IP mail as misconfigured, when virtually all of the mail coming from such IP's is spam. On the python.org mail system, we do not accept e-mail from sites that don't have proper working reverse DNS set up for their IP address. However, we do not refuse connections from networks that are known to be within dynamic IP address space from major providers -- some of our own key people (like Barry) use dynamic IP address space, and we wouldn't want to reject their connections or connections from anyone else doing the same. So long as those addresses have proper reverse DNS set up for them, and they're not on one of the very conservative RBLs that we use, then they should be fine. IMO, this is a reasonable balance to strike. Most everything else we do is done within SpamBayes, which is a Bayesian anti-spam classification system written in Python, and maintained by various well-known people in the Python community (see http://sourceforge.net/projects/spambayes and http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes). In this respect, we eat our own dog food, and run the same anti-spam processing system on our own machines as we provide for the benefit of the larger anti-spam community. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu Slides from Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission issues
Stefan Berglund wrote: Now I got some user/group issues.. It complains about postfix running the scripts(?) as nobody instead of mailman. Some googling tells me that this is kindof common, and that postfix should use the same identity as the owner of the aliases file...? Right now I have this postfix config; alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases ..and user mailman owns both these files. Something wrong there..? /etc/mail/aliases should not have any Mailman aliases, so its ownership is not relevant to Mailman. It is the group of the file /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db that is important, not the owner. Postfix runs the pipe as the user:group of the file it found the alias in. Mailman only cares about the group. Also, I get some problem when I try to create a new list now, using the web interface. I get a Oops, there was a bug page, and looking at the mailman error log, it seems to be some kind of permission problem here also; ... admin(29718): os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775) admin(29718): OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testlist.mbox' If this one weren't so obvious to me, I would have wanted to see the full traceback preceeding the above lines. And, looking at the path mentioned; # ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/archives/private drwxr-s--x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 7 14:52 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ Premissions on /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ should be drwxrws--- at a minimum, but they probably need to be drwxrws--x for public archives to work. What is happening here is the web create cgi is running as the web server user and mailman group because of the SETGID bit on the wrapper. It does not have permission to create /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/testlist.mbox because /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ is not group writable. It feels like I've missed to do some settings of permissions.. I run gentoo, and followed some gentoo guide.. Did I miss something? Does anyone have any tips? Did you run bin/check_perms? Also, see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp regarding mailman permissions, security and group mismatch errors. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
