Re: [Mailman-Users] default settings for newly created lists

[Tomas Macek]

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Dragon wrote:

> Tomas Macek wrote:
>> Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.5.1-34 on RHEL4 machine. I will have to create 
>> some lists and I don't want to go throught the bin/config_list -o list.cfg 
>> list -> edit the cfg file -> bin/config_list -i list.cfg list, but I want 
>> to edit the options, that are the source for the creating new lists when I 
>> type the ./newlist command. Where is the default setting for new lists 
>> stored? I really can't find it.
>> For example I'd like to have 'msg_footer' option set the same for all my 
>> lists, 'generic_nonmember_action' and many others set to my own default, 
>> when I create a new list. Is it possible? Where can I do it?
>> 
>> Many thanks, Tomas
>  End original message. -
>
> All of the list and server defaults are in the Defaults.py file but DO NOT 
> change that one. It gets overwritten when Mailman is upgraded.
>
> You can put the settings you want in the mm_cfg.py file, this file is used to 
> override defaults and set other options like msg_footer etc. at list 
> creation. The settings you want have to be in that file when you create the 
> list or they won't be set.
>
> Dragon
>

I knew about the changes in Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py but I didn't try to write 
lists config variables in it. Now I have this settings in my mm_cfg.py:

...
generic_nonmember_action = 0
GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0
...

I did not know, if the variables in mm_cfg.py are case sensitive, so I wrote 
both. But still when I try to create a new list ("./newlist x") and then dump 
the config, I still see generic_nonmember_action = 1. Why? What should I change?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] join vs subscribe

[kalin mintchev]

i just got the emails - all of them at once - hours after the requests
were made...

and i'm seeing something in the maillog i haven't seen before:
timeout waiting for input from local during Draining Input

i just confirmed one. by replying. still not a member...

this has never happened before. i found this thread without a resolution
of the problem:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045582.html

anyone knows how that story ended?

my mailman version is 2.1.5. it has been working fine so far except i have
to restart mailman with cron because the bounce runner crashes for some
reason...



> so then what does it mean when i sent 3 different email requests to
> subscribe to a list and nothing happens..
>
> the ways are: sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject and body 'subscribe'.
> mail log says:
>
> l350hXwM001076: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list",
> ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=
> 00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30923, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
> or in other words this is turned over to mailman.
> after A FEW HOURS this turns up in the mailman subscribe log:
>
>
> Apr 04 20:17:21 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED] Apr
> 04 20:17:21 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Apr 04
> 20:17:24 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 04
> 20:17:25 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 04
> 20:17:25 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 04
> 20:17:25 2007 (5670) list: pending kalin mintchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> still i have not gotten the email where i'm supposed to confirm my
> subscription.
>
> my name is not in the queue?
>
> what's up with the delay?
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>> kalin mintchev wrote:
>>>what is the difference between listname-join and listname-subscribe?!
>>
>>
>> They're spelled differently. Otherwise, none. listname-join is a synonym
> for listname-subscribe just as listname-leave is a synonym for
> listname-unsubscribe.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] join vs subscribe

[kalin mintchev]

so then what does it mean when i sent 3 different email requests to
subscribe to a list and nothing happens..

the ways are: sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject and body 'subscribe'.
mail log says:

l350hXwM001076: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list",
ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=
00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30923, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

or in other words this is turned over to mailman.
after A FEW HOURS this turns up in the mailman subscribe log:


Apr 04 20:17:21 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Apr
04 20:17:21 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 
04
20:17:24 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 04
20:17:25 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 04
20:17:25 2007 (5670) list: pending [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 04
20:17:25 2007 (5670) list: pending kalin mintchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

still i have not gotten the email where i'm supposed to confirm my
subscription.

my name is not in the queue?

what's up with the delay?

thanks




> kalin mintchev wrote:
>>what is the difference between listname-join and listname-subscribe?!
>
>
> They're spelled differently. Otherwise, none. listname-join is a synonym
for listname-subscribe just as listname-leave is a synonym for
listname-unsubscribe.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] join vs subscribe

[Mark Sapiro]

kalin mintchev wrote:
>
>what is the difference between listname-join and listname-subscribe?!


They're spelled differently. Otherwise, none. listname-join is a
synonym for listname-subscribe just as listname-leave is a synonym for
listname-unsubscribe.

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[Mailman-Users] join vs subscribe

[kalin mintchev]

hi all..

what is the difference between listname-join and listname-subscribe?!

thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] RSS

[David Gibbs]

Jason [WeatherServer] wrote:
> Anyone have the RSS patch working with the latest version of Mailman 
> or does Mailman have RSS built in and I just can't find it.

I've got an RSS feed working with MhonArc, which I'm using as an
external archiver.

http://david.fallingrock.net/2005/07/22/rss-from-mhonarc/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Size Limits of Files?

[Mark Sapiro]

Justin Denick wrote:

>I had a user complain that she could not send mail, reply, or check Sent
>Mail.
>She would click on "Sent" and after awhile it would just download a file
>called right_main.php.
>
>After some checking I found that the file was pretty large 193MB, though
>there were other files that were larger, but still accessible.
>
>My 'fix' or hack, whatever you will call it, was to split the file into
>three sets (2005, 2006, 2007), using the same MAILMAN header for each file.
>I then subscribed to these new 'folders' and viola she had access to all of
>her Sent mail. I then moved the data from 2007 back into the actual Sent
>mail file. Now when she composes mail it will have some semblance of working
>correctly.
>
>My question is why did it break in the first place.


Did you really mean to send this question to the Mailman-Users list?

If so, you have to provide a lot more detail to enable us to understand
how it relates to Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman scripts running with wrong group

[Mark Sapiro]

No One wrote:

>I have mailman up an running but message are bouncing because of a complaint 
>about the group that the scripts are running as. Here is the error:
>
> Command output: Group
> mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be  executed 
> as
> group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script  as
> group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as  group
> "mail", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
>
>I have no idea what it is talking about. Is this a postfix issue or a mailman 
>issue. Since I installed mailman as an rpm, I never ran a configure script. 
>This was never an issue in the previous version. What do I need to do now? 
>Thanks.


See

for information about this kind of error.

What you really need to do is contact your packager, however I think in
most cases, Postfix excecutes the pipe to Mailman using the user and
group of the file in which it found the alias that contains the pipe
to Mailman. So, you could try adjusting that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman scripts running with wrong group

[Peter]

Le Mercredi 4 Avril 2007 20:39, No One a écrit :
> I have mailman up an running but message are bouncing because of a
> complaint about the group that the scripts are running as. Here is the
> error:
>
>  Command output: Group
>  mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be 
> executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail
> script  as group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script
> as  group "mail", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
>
> I have no idea what it is talking about. Is this a postfix issue or a
> mailman issue. Since I installed mailman as an rpm, I never ran a configure
> script. This was never an issue in the previous version. What do I need to
> do now? Thanks.

Check the archives of this list.  This issue has been covered.

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[Mailman-Users] Size Limits of Files?

[Justin Denick]

I had a user complain that she could not send mail, reply, or check Sent
Mail.
She would click on "Sent" and after awhile it would just download a file
called right_main.php.

After some checking I found that the file was pretty large 193MB, though
there were other files that were larger, but still accessible.

My 'fix' or hack, whatever you will call it, was to split the file into
three sets (2005, 2006, 2007), using the same MAILMAN header for each file.
I then subscribed to these new 'folders' and viola she had access to all of
her Sent mail. I then moved the data from 2007 back into the actual Sent
mail file. Now when she composes mail it will have some semblance of working
correctly.

My question is why did it break in the first place.


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman scripts running with wrong group

[No One]

I have mailman up an running but message are bouncing because of a complaint 
about the group that the scripts are running as. Here is the error:

 Command output: Group
 mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be  executed 
as
 group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script  as
 group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as  group
 "mail", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
 `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.

I have no idea what it is talking about. Is this a postfix issue or a mailman 
issue. Since I installed mailman as an rpm, I never ran a configure script. 
This was never an issue in the previous version. What do I need to do now? 
Thanks.



 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Traceback

[Mark Sapiro]

No One wrote:
>
>You are correct about the versions. I was assuming (I know, I know) that when 
>I get mailman going it will handle the conversion. Is there something else I 
>should do first?


No. Mailman should handle the conversion without problem. It was the
permissions problem that was preventing it from doing so.


>As to the rest, I ran check_perms a bunch of times and it reported no 
>problems. However, with all the installing and uninstalling I must have not 
>done it this last time.  It fixed a host of problems that are usually there 
>after an install. Now it runs. Thanks for your help.


You're welcome. I'm glad it's working.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Dennett wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> What Mailman version is this, and is it a package or a source install?
>>
>> I've only actually tested this on 2.1.5, but I see nothing in the code
>> in other versions that would affect it.
>It's version 2.1.9.cp2, and a package. I'm with Site 5.


OK. I've tested this now with Mailman 2.1.9+ with the same result,
namely an urgent message is sent to all list members regardless of
delivery status, regular/digest or other filters.

Thus, not sending urgent messages to delivery disabled members in your
case is most likely a cPanel 'feature'. See
.

In any case, it seems that using the Urgent: header for these kinds of
messages is still a good solution for you as your Topics method didn't
deliver to delivery disabled members either, nor did it deliver
immediately to digest members, and the Urgent: header avoids the reply
problem with topics.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>>> If you enable delivery for these test members, do they receive either
>>> ordinary or urgent posts?
>>>   
>> Yep - both types. Just tried them out now.
>> 
>
>
> What Mailman version is this, and is it a package or a source install?
>
> I've only actually tested this on 2.1.5, but I see nothing in the code
> in other versions that would affect it.
It's version 2.1.9.cp2, and a package. I'm with Site 5.

Any replies may not get a response until Monday evening (UK time) as I'm 
away for the weekend starting Thursday morning.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] default settings for newly created lists

[Dragon]

Tomas Macek wrote:
>Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.5.1-34 on RHEL4 machine. I will have to 
>create some lists and I don't want to go throught the 
>bin/config_list -o list.cfg list -> edit the cfg file -> 
>bin/config_list -i list.cfg list, but I want to edit the options, 
>that are the source for the creating new lists when I type the 
>./newlist command. Where is the default setting for new lists 
>stored? I really can't find it.
>For example I'd like to have 'msg_footer' option set the same for 
>all my lists, 'generic_nonmember_action' and many others set to my 
>own default, when I create a new list. Is it possible? Where can I do it?
>
>Many thanks, Tomas
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All of the list and server defaults are in the Defaults.py file but 
DO NOT change that one. It gets overwritten when Mailman is upgraded.

You can put the settings you want in the mm_cfg.py file, this file is 
used to override defaults and set other options like msg_footer etc. 
at list creation. The settings you want have to be in that file when 
you create the list or they won't be set.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Installing Mailman 2.1.9 on Solaris 10

[vancleef]

The esteemed David Devereaux-Weber has said:
> 
> Hank,
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> I installed Python 2.4.4.  I did receive errors that tcl and something 
> else didn't install.  Now, the Mailman install script still finds 
> /opt/csw/lib/python2.3/distutils/dist.py:213 .  Can you tell me where 
> Python 2.4.4 puts the distutils?
> 
> Dave
> 
If you built python 2.4.4 to install in /usr/local, you should have a
/usr/local/lib/python2.4 directory that has the distutils in it.  

I assume you're building Mailman 2.1.9 from downloaded source; if not,
I recommend you do that, rather than using somebody else's prebuilt
source.  

Make sure the correct python is in your PATH.  If you've already built
Mailman with the /opt/csw python2.3, do a make clean, rerun configure,
make, and make install on Mailman.  

As I've said, /opt/csw is not a Solaris 10 directory, but is used by
one or more of the package prebuilders.  I would do an audit on what
is in that directory and pkgrm anything you don't actually need on
your system.  

Using the Solaris release sendmail and apache works well, but I'd
build Python 2.4.4 and Mailman 2.1.9 from source.  The default gid for
sendmail is "other" and for apache is "nobody", for the Mailman
configure script on Solaris 9/10.

Hank

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Re: [Mailman-Users] default settings for newly created lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Tomas Macek wrote:

>Where is the default setting for new lists stored? I really can't find it.
>For example I'd like to have 'msg_footer' option set the same for all my 
>lists, 'generic_nonmember_action' and many others set to my own default, when 
>I create a new list. Is it possible? Where can I do it?


There is no default new list configuration per se, but most defaults
can be set in mm_cfg.py, for example DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER and
DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION.

Read Defaults.py for the full list.

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[Mailman-Users] kwotidian.com

[Fred Leber]

Dear Mailman Users,

I am looking to put together a small team for Kwotidian.com, a startup which 
will create and distribute bilingual language development email. Kwotidian will 
use Mailman and we need 1-3 persons to handle the technical side.

The idea for Kwotidian began with a company named Wordburger in 1999. 
Wordburger sent out bite-size, witty, bilingual language lessons. Subscribers 
learned a few useful English words each day. Wordburger grew rapidly to 140,000 
subscribers who wanted to learn or improve their English, 95% of whom were in 
non-English speaking countries. Our most successful edition was the Chinese, 
with 55,000 subscribers. We shut down in 2001 because our primary revenue model 
at that time was advertising and the reputation of internet advertising had 
gone down the drain. Now we intend to try again. The goal is not to have 
hundreds of thousands of subscribers  -  it is to have millions of subscribers. 
 Kwotidian.com needs a small team whose essential ingredient is enthusiasm and 
energy. Mailman and html experience would be good and experience with 
international character set encodings would be desirable but not essential.

Kwotidian is not yet operational but the basic idea and a sample Kwotidian 
daily message can be seen at kwotidian.com.

Please get in touch with me if you are interested. I will be glad to provide 
more details.

Fred Leber
Williamstown, Massachusetts USA
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Mark Sapiro]

Martin Dennett wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> If you enable delivery for these test members, do they receive either
>> ordinary or urgent posts?
>Yep - both types. Just tried them out now.


What Mailman version is this, and is it a package or a source install?

I've only actually tested this on 2.1.5, but I see nothing in the code
in other versions that would affect it.

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[Mailman-Users] default settings for newly created lists

[Tomas Macek]

Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.5.1-34 on RHEL4 machine. I will have to create some 
lists and I don't want to go throught the bin/config_list -o list.cfg list -> 
edit the cfg file -> bin/config_list -i list.cfg list, but I want to edit the 
options, that are the source for the creating new lists when I type the 
./newlist command. Where is the default setting for new lists stored? I really 
can't find it.
For example I'd like to have 'msg_footer' option set the same for all my lists, 
'generic_nonmember_action' and many others set to my own default, when I create 
a new list. Is it possible? Where can I do it?

Many thanks, Tomas



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

[Martin Dennett]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Martin Dennett wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>>> Check Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs to see how many recipients
>>> Mailman sent to and if there were any failures at the smtp level. Also
>>> check the bounce log for bounces and the MTA logs.
>>>   
>>>   
>> Out of my reach unfortunately - I don't have access to them :-(
>> 
>
>
> OK.
>
> If you enable delivery for these test members, do they receive either
> ordinary or urgent posts?
Yep - both types. Just tried them out now.

MD
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