[Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix : where to set X-No-Archive

2007-10-24 Thread Terrence Brannon
I am running mailman and postfix on a Debian Stable machine.
Mail-archive.com will not archive emails if the header X-No-Archive is
set to yes.

Is this header set via mailman or postfix? I want to set it to No

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message

2007-10-24 Thread Anne Ramey

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Anne Ramey wrote:

   
 Have a new and different one.  One of my users that has two lists, let's 
 call them list1 and list2.  If he sends a message to list1 and cc's 
 list2, list1 never receives the message.  If he sends the same message 
 only to list1, it goes through fine.  According to my exim logs, it is 
 delivering both messages to list1:
 


 The exim log certainly says the the first post was delivered to both
 lists, but ...


   
 The first message is successfully posted to list2, the second message is 
 successfully posted to list1.  The first message has absolutely no MM 
 longs relative to list1.  Nothing in the vette, smtp, post, error, 
 bounce, etc.  Nothing at all related to message one for List1.  This is 
 a weekly message and this has happened for the last 4+ weeks.  Before 
 that it appears to have worked fine.  I haven't made any system changes 
 in that time.  What could cause something like this.  Is is possible a 
 list setting could do this?  I checked the sender filters on both lists 
 but saw nothing that looked wrong.
 


 I can't offhand think of any way the a post can evaporate from Mailman
 without a trace.

 There are two ways to verify that the post actually reached Mailman.

 Way 1 is somewhat disruptive. Stop Mailman, send the post to list1 with
 cc to list2, examine the files in Mailman's qfiles/in queue with
 bin/dumpdb (bin/show_qfiles won't show the metadata which says which
 list the post is for) to see if the post is there twice, once for each
 list, then start Mailman.  If the post is in the in queue for list1
 and then evaporates, it is a Mailman problem, but I don't know what
 the problem might be. If the post doesn't get to the in queue then it
 could be an exim problem or possibly a problem with the post script.

 Way 2 is to modify scripts/post to log something. At the end of the
 main() function following:

 inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR)
 inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(),
 listname=listname,
 tolist=1, _plaintext=1)

 add

 print  sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued')


 This will write the 'post to %(listname)s received and queued' message
 with the listname filled in to both the error and post logs for every
 post. This again will tell you if the post got to the post script.

 Once we know whether or not the post gets this far, we can focus our
 attention and maybe come up with an answer or a way to get more
 information.

 One thing just occurred to me. Is it possible that the post to list1
 and list2 is somehow generated from a post from list1 and contains an

 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 header, thus preventing it from being accepted by list1. Then perhaps
 the resend to list1 gets generated from the post from list2 and
 doesn't contain the

 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 header.

   
Thank you for the reply.  I have to restart Mailman this weekend (during 
our maintenance window) anyway for another change.  I'll take way2 and 
see what I see the next week.  I'll let you know the results.

Thanks,

Anne 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Anne Ramey wrote:
   
Thank you for the reply.  I have to restart Mailman this weekend (during 
our maintenance window) anyway for another change.  I'll take way2 and 
see what I see the next week.  I'll let you know the results.


Note that the patch to scripts/post does not require a Mailman restart
to be effective or to be removed because the post script is run by the
mail wrapper in a new process invoked by the MTA for each message.

Also, if possible, have the poster of the message add a Bcc: directly
to you so you can see the headers in the incoming message in case
there's something there that's causing this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Obscure the email domain in archives

2007-10-24 Thread Oliver Schulze L.
Many Thanks for the info!

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 There is no option or setting to do this. You would have to modify the
 code in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list

2007-10-24 Thread pierre lacoste


Hello everybody,

My question is simple:
Can you tell me how can I rename a mailing list?

I have a mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I want to rename this into [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
QA Engg wrote:

I tried the procedure to  install  mailman from the  Wikipedia  and
following errors

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ emerge -p mailman
bash: emerge: command not found
[...]


You are trying to follow instructions for a package and perhaps even an
OS which you do not have.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # groups mailman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cron mailman
cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # cd /usr/local/mailman/cron  crontab -u mailman
crontab.in

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # su - mailman


In 3 of the four lines, the '#' you typed is actually the 'root' shell
prompt in the example you are copying. Thus you are typing comments,
not commands.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ cd /usr/local/mailman/cron
bash: $: command not found


Here and in the following you typed a '$' prompt as opposed to the '#'
above so bash told you there is no '$' command.

You need to get some help and instruction from somone who knows
something about Unix/Linux. That is beyond the scope of the
mailman-users@python.org list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list

2007-10-24 Thread Dan
pierre lacoste wrote:
 Can you tell me how can I rename a mailing list?

 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.070.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix : where to set X-No-Archive

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Terrence Brannon wrote:

I am running mailman and postfix on a Debian Stable machine.
Mail-archive.com will not archive emails if the header X-No-Archive is
set to yes.


Neither will Mailman.


Is this header set via mailman or postfix? I want to set it to No


Neither standard Mailman nor Postfix will add or set this header. This
header is normally added to a message via her MUA by a user who
doesn't want the message archived. Normal messages contain no
X-No-Archive: header at all.

I don't know about Mail-archive.com, but Mailman will not archive
messages that contain any X-No-Archive: header, even 'X-No-Archive:
No'.

# Common practice seems to favor X-No-Archive: yes.  No other
value for
# this header seems to make sense, so we'll just test for it's
presence.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list

2007-10-24 Thread pierre lacoste

OK thanks

Pierre

 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:15:38 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] rename a mailing list
 
 pierre lacoste wrote:
  Can you tell me how can I rename a mailing list?
 
  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 
 See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.070.htp
 
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[Mailman-Users] ports

2007-10-24 Thread Melinda Gilmore
I looked somewhat in the archives but am not finding information on what
port mailmanctl listens on.  Or this whole email may show my ignorance on
the setup.  But what I am trying to do is setup a warning in our nocol if
mailmanctl is down.  I need a port number.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] ports

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Melinda Gilmore wrote:

I looked somewhat in the archives but am not finding information on what
port mailmanctl listens on.  Or this whole email may show my ignorance on
the setup.  But what I am trying to do is setup a warning in our nocol if
mailmanctl is down.  I need a port number.


mailmanctl does not 'listen'. It responds to signals, not to
commumication on a socket. Even the fact that it is present (which can
be determined from the existence of the file master-qrunner.pid in
Mailman's data/ directory and the existence of a process with the pid
contained in that file) does not mean that all or even any of the
qrunners are running (they might have died multiple times and reached
mailmanctl's restart limit).

Depending on your OS something like

  ps -fw --ppid `cat /path/to/data/master-qrunner.pid`

May tell you whether or not the qrunner processes are all there.

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[Mailman-Users] Question on functionality

2007-10-24 Thread Jim Park
All,
 I would like to know how Mailman handles an email that is sent to an 
umbrella list that contains multiple lists and contains one or more 
users that are members of the various lists.  Is Mailman smart enough 
to not send multiple messages to the user(s) that are on multiple lists 
under the umbrella list?  I am seeing a list member that is receiving 
multiple emails.  I am trying to narrow down the reasons why she is 
receiving 8 duplicate copies of the same message.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman troubles

2007-10-24 Thread Doc Schneider
I'm seeing the following errors in the error log. Any one know where to
find a fix? This is MM 2.1.5 running on RHEL 4 Python 2.3.4.

Thanks,


Oct 24 18:15:35 2007 (13363) SHUNTING:
1193264135.2076499+0c863f656c1d72d260d866d594b0e1bfedff5c6e
Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Uncaught runner exception: unknown
encoding: gb2312
Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 111, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 167, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py, line 223, in
_dispose
res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py, line 77, in
__init__
subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py, line 144, in
make_header
h.append(s, charset)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py, line 272, in append
ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312


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[Mailman-Users] MM errors.

2007-10-24 Thread Doc Schneider
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I'm seeing the following errors in the error log. Any one know where to
find a fix? This is MM 2.1.5 running on RHEL 4 Python 2.3.4.

Thanks,


Oct 24 18:15:35 2007 (13363) SHUNTING:
1193264135.2076499+0c863f656c1d72d260d866d594b0e1bfedff5c6e
Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Uncaught runner exception: unknown
encoding: gb2312
Oct 24 18:15:51 2007 (13363) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 111, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 167, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py, line 223, in
_dispose
res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py, line 77, in
__init__
subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py, line 144, in
make_header
h.append(s, charset)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py, line 272, in append
ustr = unicode(s, incodec, errors)
LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on functionality

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jim Park wrote:

 I would like to know how Mailman handles an email that is sent to an 
umbrella list that contains multiple lists and contains one or more 
users that are members of the various lists.  Is Mailman smart enough 
to not send multiple messages to the user(s) that are on multiple lists 
under the umbrella list?


No.


I am seeing a list member that is receiving 
multiple emails.  I am trying to narrow down the reasons why she is 
receiving 8 duplicate copies of the same message.


If the she is a member of the list and, directly or indirectly, of 7 
subordinate lists, she will recieve 8 copies of a post to the list (unless she 
is a gmail user in which case gmail will supress the dups).

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[Mailman-Users] Reporting

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Ray [Lists]
Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.

So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
level of activity.

So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.


See
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Ray [Lists]
Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

   
 Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
 list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
 and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.
 


 See
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1123383group_id=103atid=300103.

   
Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

2007-10-24 Thread Steven Stern
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On 10/24/2007 06:33 PM, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
 Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
 list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
 and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.
 
 So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
 to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
 this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
 level of activity.
 
 So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?

Use mmdsr. It's in the contrib directory under your mailman install.  I
run it from cron at 23:59 every night and get a daily report of list
traffic.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ports

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Melinda Gilmore wrote:

So there is not a nocol type way to have yourself paged for mailman itself. 


I know nothing about nocol, but it seems unlikely that the only way it
can check on the health of a process is via communication to a socket,
but even if that is the case, you could create your own process to
check the health of mailmanctl and the qrunners and monitor that with
nocol (There is no problem in computer programming that cannot be
solved
by adding yet one more level of indirection. - Maurice Wilkes).

Also, see
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1208685group_id=103atid=300103
for a patch that adds a 'status' function to mailmanctl, but note that
this still doesn't check the qrunners.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Ray [Lists]
Steven Stern wrote:
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 On 10/24/2007 06:33 PM, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
   
 Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
 list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
 and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.

 So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
 to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
 this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
 level of activity.

 So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?
 

 Use mmdsr. It's in the contrib directory under your mailman install.  I
 run it from cron at 23:59 every night and get a daily report of list
 traffic.

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I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

2007-10-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure 
out past history.


mmdsr as written just does a daily report, but the information it
sumarizes and reports is all in Mailman's log files, so it should be
easy to adapt to your needs.

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