[Mailman-Users] using moderation - admin not on mx
Hello, I am running 2 mail exchangers that handle the mailman list distribution and a third machine serves up the list administration web gui. Trouble is that when a message is held for moderator approval, I click on the url mailman provides or go to the list admin page but it says 'There are no pending requests'. I gahter that the message is being held on the mx machines as mailman expects the gui is on the mx right? How can I fix this? Can I send the message for approval to the admin machine, approve it, and send it back to mx somehow? Another topic, Can mailman be configured such that list administrators can use their LDAP passwd for authentication? I currently secure list archives in such a way. Thank you, Mark -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] using moderation - admin not on mx
Mark Heer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am running 2 mail exchangers that handle the mailman list distribution and a third machine serves up the list administration web gui. Trouble is that when a message is held for moderator approval, I click on the url mailman provides or go to the list admin page but it says 'There are no pending requests'. I gahter that the message is being held on the mx machines as mailman expects the gui is on the mx right? How can I fix this? Can I send the message for approval to the admin machine, approve it, and send it back to mx somehow? Another topic, Can mailman be configured such that list administrators can use their LDAP passwd for authentication? I currently secure list archives in such a way. The problem with the another topic is this -- an administrator of a Mailman list is ANYONE who knows the administrator password. The e-mail addresses of the administrators are there ONLY to provide addresses to which to send administrator e-mail (e.g., messages awaiting admin/moderator approval). We have list admins here who try to use their Active Directory password to get to their list admin pages, and when it does not work they complain to me. It seems to me that making the requested change would be a major change to Mailman authentication. About the first paragraph - I run Mailman on only one machine, so I do not have this problem. The web server runs on this one machine, and the Mailman machine sends all of its outbound mail to one of our central Mail Tranfer Agent mailers. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] using moderation - admin not on mx
Mark Heer wrote: I am running 2 mail exchangers that handle the mailman list distribution and a third machine serves up the list administration web gui. The distribution part of this problem is just delivering the mail that has already gone through the mailing list server. So, all admin work would be done on the mailing list server, and the list admins don't need to worry about anything else. Trouble is that when a message is held for moderator approval, I click on the url mailman provides or go to the list admin page but it says 'There are no pending requests'. I gahter that the message is being held on the mx machines as mailman expects the gui is on the mx right? I'm not sure what you're calling an mx machine. As I would use this term, the message isn't going to get to the outbound mail relay until after it has been approved by a list moderator or list admin, and from there posted to the list and then distributed out to the recipients -- via the outbound mail relay. How can I fix this? Can I send the message for approval to the admin machine, approve it, and send it back to mx somehow? Sounds to me like you need to provide more information to us about your exact configuration. Right now, we're just a bunch of blind men guessing about how an elephant might look, without ever having actually touched one or even just a part of one. Another topic, Can mailman be configured such that list administrators can use their LDAP passwd for authentication? I currently secure list archives in such a way. I think that would require modification of the source code. I'm not sure how much work that might be, but you could check the SourceForge patch list to see if anyone else has already done this and posted their patches. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] moderation rejection notices, etc.
Hi Friends. More newby questions, I am afraid. 1. Is there no capability to edit moderated messages? I have a couple of moderated members that have asked me to edit their messages, and I don't see how. (FYI, they tend to promote their own products within their otherwise extremely valuable posts). 2. When I reject a moderated message with an explanation, the rejection note comes from listname-bounces@ . So when the member replies to that message, it sends me a note saying that it received an unrecognized bounce, and buried in the note is the member's response. Shouldn't rejected annotated messages come from listname-admin@ instead? I bet there is a good reason for this that I do not know. 3. More of a comment than a question. Mailman archives do not perfectly allow importing Eudora mailboxes, even though they are a form of mbox-formatted mailboxes. Most messages seem to do fine but maybe (I am not sure) those few that do not import well have a blank line before Eudora's From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [date time] header. Not sure if that is the cause, but it is possible. 4. Finally, I want to reiterate the desire for a web-based interface for responding to messages. I'd estimate that 5-10% of my list members used this feature when we were at Topica. I also would value a way for admins to remove individual messages from the archives through a web-based . I understand that work on Mailman is done by a handful of dedicated volunteers, and I do appreciate the software and its robustness. I appreciate you folks that put so much time and energy into it and into helping us users. - - - - - - - - - - - - Michael Welch, volunteer Redwood Alliance PO Box 293 Arcata, CA 95518 707-822-7884 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.redwoodalliance.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] moderation rejection notices, etc.
Michael Welch wrote: 1. Is there no capability to edit moderated messages? I have a couple of moderated members that have asked me to edit their messages, and I don't see how. (FYI, they tend to promote their own products within their otherwise extremely valuable posts). There is no real capability to edit moderated messages, no. There is what I would classify as a work-around, described in FAQ 3.9 at http://wiki.list.org/x/24A9. If you go to the Mailman FAQ landing page at http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions and do a search on edit moderated, this should be the second item that shows up on the list. 3. More of a comment than a question. Mailman archives do not perfectly allow importing Eudora mailboxes, even though they are a form of mbox-formatted mailboxes. Most messages seem to do fine but maybe (I am not sure) those few that do not import well have a blank line before Eudora's From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [date time] header. Not sure if that is the cause, but it is possible. Eudora mailboxes are not in proper 7th edition mbox format, so they cannot be imported directly. You need to get that [EMAIL PROTECTED] crap fixed to be something reasonable before you can import them. Why the hell Eudora decided to be so damn stupid as to use something that is almost-but-not-quite a proper mbox format I will never know, but then Eudora is dead so I guess the point is more or less moot. 4. Finally, I want to reiterate the desire for a web-based interface for responding to messages. I'd estimate that 5-10% of my list members used this feature when we were at Topica. I also would value a way for admins to remove individual messages from the archives through a web-based . I understand that work on Mailman is done by a handful of dedicated volunteers, and I do appreciate the software and its robustness. I appreciate you folks that put so much time and energy into it and into helping us users. These things are on the list, and may be addressed in Mailman3. I don't know if we'll get a chance to look at them before then. If you have code you can contribute to fix these issues, that would greatly speed up things between now and whenever a future version of Mailman3 might ship that may address them. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] moderation rejection notices, etc.
Brad Knowles wrote at 11:23 AM 7/25/2008: Eudora mailboxes are not in proper 7th edition mbox format, so they cannot be imported directly. You need to get that [EMAIL PROTECTED] crap fixed to be something reasonable before you can import them. OK, maybe you can lead me to the specs for 7th edition mbox format. But I think that if I can get a blank line in front of the crap that it may import OK. Or else maybe I have to move the From: header to the first line of the message, delete the Eudora crap, and make sure there is a blank line before each message in the file. - - - - - - - - - - - - Michael Welch, volunteer Redwood Alliance PO Box 293 Arcata, CA 95518 707-822-7884 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.redwoodalliance.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] moderation rejection notices, etc.
Michael Welch wrote: OK, maybe you can lead me to the specs for 7th edition mbox format. Formal specs? No. But you can see the page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbox for an informal discussion of the subject. But I think that if I can get a blank line in front of the crap that it may import OK. A blank line isn't going to help. You need to replace the [EMAIL PROTECTED] crap with the appropriate information. In fact, what needs to go there should be the contents of the Return-Path: header, just without the angle brackets. Or else maybe I have to move the From: header to the first line of the message, delete the Eudora crap, and make sure there is a blank line before each message in the file. No, you can't delete the From_ line, because that is the only delimiter that is used to separate one message from the next. Before you start mucking about with this, I would encourage you to read up on what Eudora screwed up, so that you'll have a better idea of what you need to fix. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] moderation rejection notices, etc.
Brad Knowles wrote: Formal specs? No. But you can see the page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbox for an informal discussion of the subject. Note that this page links to another page at http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/mail-mbox-formats.html that actually has a more detailed discussion of the formats and issues in question, along with specific comments along the lines of: X means Y but it doesn't mean Z no matter how much you might otherwise think it would -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
