Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On 8/12/08, Mark Sapiro wrote: I think he was suggesting that Mailman could somehow put something like a rot13 encoded version of the recipient's address into a personalized list footer to sneak it past AOL's eliding of screen names. In the ARF reports, I don't think you're going to see copies of the footers. Not even copies of the message. Just the headers, of which all the useful information will be deleted by AOL. Moreover, even if you did get copies of the footers (as you have in the past, with the non-ARF reports), the people at AOL are smart enough to see that there is non-anonymized information in the footers and to fix that with the next update of the software. So, either way, we're screwed. AOL is determined to delete any and all data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are determined to file all these reports automatically. So do what I do -- file them automatically, in a folder that you never go look in. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On 8/13/08 1:07 AM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, either way, we're screwed. AOL is determined to delete any and all data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are determined to file all these reports automatically. So do what I do -- file them automatically, in a folder that you never go look in. Why even receive them at that point? They're little more than spam themselves so maybe it's time to ban all mail from AOL as AOL will then be a known spammer. :-( -- Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
Hi there, Larry Stone: Why even receive them at that point? They're little more than spam themselves so maybe it's time to ban all mail from AOL as AOL will then be a known spammer. :-( Because you can always claim you treat their reports seriously. ;) Actually, when lists are personalized you can always use Message-ID to look up your nice AOL citizen. That't what I do as I use full personalization option. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] changing Mailman layout
Dear all, Where do I look to change Mailman layout (I know where to change individual lists) but not sure where are files for domian.tld/mailman/listinfo located. I'd like to customize Mailman to look more like our organization's website. Many thanks in advance! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.LCWords.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually bouncing messages to a mailman list
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 07:50:34AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: It's not the added headers. It's the X-BeenThere: header in the original message. You have to remove it. Uhm, I've checked both the original message and the bounced message (going out of my mutt), and neither contains the X-BeenThere: header. The only difference is the Resent-* headers (mutt also strips the Delivered-To: header from bounced messages). Let me clarify the scenario: - Somebody sends me a message - I think the message should really go to the list, not to me - I bounce the message to the list (if the original sender is not subscribed to the list I expect to find it in the moderation queue) - The message disappears There is a Discarded message entry in Mailman's vette log, but since you don't have access, you can't see it. Thanks, I'll ask the sysadmin to have a look at that. Cri -- GPG/PGP Key-Id 0x943A5F0E -http://www.linux.it/~cri/cri.asc signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] email address obfuscation
Hello, Is there in place any method to obfuscate/hide email addresses so spammer spiders/robots can't harvest them? If not, could I edit a page to use an external JavaScript function to do so? Even more basically, can JavaScript be used at all when editing pages? Thanks. Michael Masquith USGC, Inc. Contractor Support to: The United States Coast Guard National Maritime Center 100 Forbes Drive Martinsburg, WV 25404 (P) (304)433-3456 1-888-427-5662 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changing Mailman layout
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Where do I look to change Mailman layout (I know where to change individual lists) but not sure where are files for domian.tld/mailman/listinfo located. The listinfo overview page is built on the fly by Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py. The admin(db) pages are built the same way by Mailman/Cgi/admin(db).py. The best way to add css or similar things to these pages is to modify the Format() method of the Document() class in Mailman/htmlformat.py. If you really want to add, subtract or rearrange things on these pages, you have to modify the Mailman/Cgi/* modules that generate them. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailing lists
Danny Shain wrote: Hi everyone, I want to start off by saying I think it's great that this community exists, with people willing to help people. I have a question that is dealt with on the FAQ, but before you roll your eyes I'm still posting here because the I didn't find the FAQ entry helpful. Maybe you're still rolling your eyes, but hear me out. FAQ Entry 1.7. I've set up Mailman, created a list, and added myself to the list, but I don't get any messages! That's my problem. Maybe it's because I'm using mailman through a third party (Lunarpages webhosting), but I don't see anything about cronjobs or aliases, etc. But I send emails to the mailing list, the emails show up in the mailing list archives, and yet nobody on the list receives messages. If anybody has an idea of what I can try next I would greatly appreciate it! Otherwise I'll probably end up using yahoo or something. End original message. - You are using a gmail address to post here. Did you subscribe this gmail address to the list? If so, that is the problem as gmail will not send list posts back to you that are already present in your outgoing mailbox. This is a known problem and Google appears to not give a damn about fixing it. Please see: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I+use+Gmail-Googlemail%2C+but+I+can%27t+tell+if+any+of+my+messages+have+been+posted+to+the+list Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Actually, when lists are personalized you can always use Message-ID to look up your nice AOL citizen. That't what I do as I use full personalization option. I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages are fully personalized, every recipient's message has the Message-ID of the original, incoming message. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] email address obfuscation
Masquith, Michael CTR wrote: Is there in place any method to obfuscate/hide email addresses so spammer spiders/robots can't harvest them? Are you talking about archives? If so, mild obfuscation is done by default unless you put ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = No in mm_cfg.py. If you're talking about things like the list roster, this is controlled by the list's Privacy options... - Subscription rules - obscure_addresses setting. If not, could I edit a page to use an external JavaScript function to do so? Even more basically, can JavaScript be used at all when editing pages? If you're asking if you can put JavaScript in Mailman's HTML templates, you can. But, if you want to use JavaScript to improve on the obfuscation already done, you'd need to modify the code that does the obfuscation (which isn't all in one place). -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages are fully personalized, every recipient's message has the Message-ID of the original, incoming message. It may depend on how your MTA is set up. On my lists, there is an internal Received: line where the mailman machine hands off the message to itself. That message ID allows me to lookup the recipient despite AOL's obfuscation. Here's an example from a test list, luckly someone just tested it: (Mycroft is the border mail machine, Friday is the web/mailman server) If I had a complaint I would look up message ID m7DF2jJX008532 on host Friday. Received: from friday.westnet.com (Friday.westnet.com [216.187.52.6]) by westnet.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m7DF301M001618 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from friday.westnet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by friday.westnet.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7DF2jJX008532 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mycroft.westnet.com (Mycroft.westnet.com [216.187.52.7]) by friday.westnet.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7DF1ddZ008518 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:01:44 -0400 (EDT) == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 948-3162 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote: I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages are fully personalized, every recipient's message has the Message-ID of the original, incoming message. It may depend on how your MTA is set up. On my lists, there is an internal Received: line where the mailman machine hands off the message to itself. That message ID allows me to lookup the recipient despite AOL's obfuscation. Here's an example from a test list, luckly someone just tested it: (Mycroft is the border mail machine, Friday is the web/mailman server) If I had a complaint I would look up message ID m7DF2jJX008532 on host Friday. Received: from friday.westnet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by friday.westnet.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7DF2jJX008532 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:02:45 -0400 (EDT) That's not a Message ID, that's a queue ID. And yes, I do the same thing. -- Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Larry Stone wrote: That's not a Message ID, that's a queue ID. And yes, I do the same thing. Ah yes, of course you are right. As you said though -- either way, it works. :-) == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 948-3162 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually bouncing messages to a mailman list
Cristian Rigamonti wrote: On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 07:50:34AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: It's not the added headers. It's the X-BeenThere: header in the original message. You have to remove it. Uhm, I've checked both the original message and the bounced message (going out of my mutt), and neither contains the X-BeenThere: header. The only difference is the Resent-* headers (mutt also strips the Delivered-To: header from bounced messages). Sorry, I misunderstood. Let me clarify the scenario: - Somebody sends me a message - I think the message should really go to the list, not to me - I bounce the message to the list (if the original sender is not subscribed to the list I expect to find it in the moderation queue) Maybe not. If you are a member and the envelope of the bounced message is from you, it will be considered a post from you. - The message disappears There is a Discarded message entry in Mailman's vette log, but since you don't have access, you can't see it. Thanks, I'll ask the sysadmin to have a look at that. The message won't be too helpful in this situation. It just says 'Message discarded, msgid: ...', but if it is present, it will verify that the message reached Mailman and Mailman discarded it for some reason. I don't yet understand why Mailman would discard the message, but I am able to duplicate the problem, so I will investigate further tomorrow. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
Brad Knowles wrote: So, either way, we're screwed. AOL is determined to delete any and all data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are determined to file all these reports automatically. And I'm *SURE* they will _never_ consider moving the Report to TOS button away from the Delete Message button ... or asking if the user is sure they want to report a message to TOS. sigh -- IBM i on Power - For when you can't afford to be out of business -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] email address obfuscation
Mark, Thanks! Are you talking about archives? No. If you're asking if you can put JavaScript in Mailman's HTML templates, you can. That was it. Thanks. Michael Masquith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:12 AM To: Masquith, Michael CTR; Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email address obfuscation Masquith, Michael CTR wrote: Is there in place any method to obfuscate/hide email addresses so spammer spiders/robots can't harvest them? Are you talking about archives? If so, mild obfuscation is done by default unless you put ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = No in mm_cfg.py. If you're talking about things like the list roster, this is controlled by the list's Privacy options... - Subscription rules - obscure_addresses setting. If not, could I edit a page to use an external JavaScript function to do so? Even more basically, can JavaScript be used at all when editing pages? If you're asking if you can put JavaScript in Mailman's HTML templates, you can. But, if you want to use JavaScript to improve on the obfuscation already done, you'd need to modify the code that does the obfuscation (which isn't all in one place). -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailing lists
Dragon, Mark, Thanks for the quick replies. Dragon, I'd been having a brief conversation with Mark away from the listserv and we actually got to just about the same point. I have a webmail account provided by my hosting which is technically the recipient of all mailman emails, which I then have forwarding to a gmail account. I didn't understand why it was forwarding welcome/approval/error messages but not my actual posts, which I eventually verified were in fact being sent to my webmail account. POP3 refused to fetch them too. Your responses seem to answer this perfectly though, and I now understand that gmail is intentionally hiding them from me. (Even though the gmail account is not registered with mailman, I'm sending my posts out from gmail under the identity of my webmail account, and I guess google is smart enough to know that when it sees the forwarded message coming back.) Aside from the data collecting I've generally been a fan of every gmail feature, but I guess I was bound to find one that seems stupid eventually. I can't believe there's not even an option somewhere to disable this feature if you so choose. I turned on receive acknowledgment of own posts and I get those, and I do see a copy in my sent mail. So I guess everything was working perfectly all along and I just didn't know it. Plus it was in the FAQ. Hope saying thanks again makes up for that :). Thanks for helping me out and saving me a lot of wasted time and effort, I really appreciate it, ~Danny On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are using a gmail address to post here. Did you subscribe this gmail address to the list? If so, that is the problem as gmail will not send list posts back to you that are already present in your outgoing mailbox. This is a known problem and Google appears to not give a damn about fixing it. Please see: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I+use+Gmail-Googlemail%2C+but+I+can%27t+tell+if+any+of+my+messages+have+been+posted+to+the+list Dragon ~~ ~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a webmail account (provided by the hosting) which I have told to forward all mail to gmail. I'd been receiving forwarded welcome/approval/error messages on my gmail during testing, but I decided to double check the webmail to see if it was at least getting there. It was... all my test emails were in my webmail inbox, inexplicably not forwarding like the other messages. Nor are they being retrieved by POP3. It doesn't sound like this is applicable in this case, but see http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually bouncing messages to a mailman list
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 08:33:14AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: Let me clarify the scenario: - Somebody sends me a message - I think the message should really go to the list, not to me - I bounce the message to the list (if the original sender is not subscribed to the list I expect to find it in the moderation queue) Maybe not. If you are a member and the envelope of the bounced message is from you, it will be considered a post from you. I thought about that, so I tested both possibilities for the envelope sender of the bounced message: envelope from me (yes, I am a member of the list) or envelope from the sender of the original message (I tested both cases: member or not-member of the list); in all tests the message disappears. There is a Discarded message entry in Mailman's vette log, but since you don't have access, you can't see it. Thanks, I'll ask the sysadmin to have a look at that. The message won't be too helpful in this situation. It just says 'Message discarded, msgid: ...', but if it is present, it will verify that the message reached Mailman and Mailman discarded it for some reason. I got feedback from the sysadm: indeed the message is discarded by mailman: Aug 12 13:43:44 2008 (6025) Message discarded, msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't yet understand why Mailman would discard the message, but I am able to duplicate the problem, so I will investigate further tomorrow. Thank you very much! Let me know if I can help you somehow (reminder: I'm using mailman version 2.1.9) Cri -- GPG/PGP Key-Id 0x943A5F0E -http://www.linux.it/~cri/cri.asc signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Newsrunner infinite loop
Hi,
I have a mailman 2.1.11 installation running about 1000 mailing lists.
Each of them is bi-directionally gatewayed via NNTP.
I have been hitting the following scenario:
Email 'a' is made of a text body and email 'b' as a text attachment.
Email 'b' is made of a text body and another non-text attachment.
Posting email 'a' to any mailing list gets email a distributed to all
the mailing list members but puts NewsRunner in the following infinite
loop (1 traceback per second. Needless to say, the posting never makes
it to the newsgroup)
Aug 13 14:36:30 2008 (25129) Uncaught runner exception:
Aug 13 14:36:30 2008 (25129) Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/NewsRunner.py, line 86, in
_dispose
conn.quit()
File /usr/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py, line 600, in quit
resp = self.shortcmd('QUIT')
File /usr/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py, line 260, in shortcmd
return self.getresp()
File /usr/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py, line 215, in getresp
resp = self.getline()
File /usr/lib/python2.4/nntplib.py, line 207, in getline
if not line: raise EOFError
EOFError
Any hint about what may cause this ?
Thanks!
Max
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Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
Mark Sapiro writes: Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Actually, when lists are personalized you can always use Message-ID to look up your nice AOL citizen. That't what I do as I use full personalization option. I'm confused. How do you use the Message-ID for this? Even when messages are fully personalized, every recipient's message has the Message-ID of the original, incoming message. Well, we could provide a Resent-Message-ID. If it's not present in the AOL bounce and they won't provide it, we just say We log every outgoing message so we can fix these problems. Provide the corresponding Resent-Message-ID or it's not our problem, you're simply arbitrarily throwing away your customers' mail. But what it really comes down to is that they are arbitrarily throwing away their customers' mail, and their customers apparently like it that way. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
But what it really comes down to is that they are arbitrarily throwing away their customers' mail, and their customers apparently like it that way. I would be MORE prone to believe that their customers have absolutely NO CLUE, Stephan and being aolers don't 'care' enough to complain (even IF they know how to) -:)-:)!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On 8/13/08, Larry Stone wrote: Why even receive them at that point? They're little more than spam themselves so maybe it's time to ban all mail from AOL as AOL will then be a known spammer. :-( If you set yourself up to receive them, it's a lot harder for AOL to automatically mark you as a spammer. Unless you actually are a spammer, you're not going to get enough Scomp reports to show up on their radar, and you can pretty much safely ignore them. At least, that's what we've been told by the AOL representative we have been working with. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On 8/13/08, Ed at JustBrits wrote: I would be MORE prone to believe that their customers have absolutely NO CLUE, Stephan and being aolers don't 'care' enough to complain (even IF they know how to) -:)-:)!! All their customers know is that they are doing everything they can to make the spam pain go away. So, they hit Report as spam for every single message, and boy does that make them feel good. Of course if they thought you were ever throwing away any of their e-mail (spam or not), they'd be really hopping mad. So, you make sure they never find out. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
So, you make sure they never find out. LMAO, Brad ! Tnx, NEEDED that ! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
Brad Knowles wrote: If you set yourself up to receive them, it's a lot harder for AOL to automatically mark you as a spammer. Actually, in my experience, AOL doesn't give a rats a-- that you are setup for the feedback loop (at least the old program) ... if they thought you might be a spammer they will still rate limit your delivery even if they send feedback to you. david -- IBM i on Power -- For when you can't afford to be out of business. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
On 8/13/08, David Gibbs wrote: Actually, in my experience, AOL doesn't give a rats a-- that you are setup for the feedback loop (at least the old program) ... if they thought you might be a spammer they will still rate limit your delivery even if they send feedback to you. Yeah, but rate-limiting is nothing like having all your e-mail silently dropped on the floor. At least you're getting something through, and you usually know something about that fact. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
* David Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Brad Knowles wrote: So, either way, we're screwed. AOL is determined to delete any and all data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are determined to file all these reports automatically. And I'm *SURE* they will _never_ consider moving the Report to TOS button away from the Delete Message button ... or asking if the user is sure they want to report a message to TOS. Care to share a picture of how it looks? No retard aoluser was able to send me a screenshot. Yet. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (i.A. des IT-Zentrums) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite - Universitätsmedizin BerlinTel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-BerlinFax. +49 (0)30-450 570-962 IT-Zentrum Standort CBF send no mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
