Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List

2009-05-31 Thread LuKreme

On 1-Mar-2009, at 08:22, Mark Sapiro wrote:

This is not the way the Membership Management... - Membership List
page in recent Mailman works. If there are more than
admin_member_chunksize members, the list is broken into pages by the
first character of the email address.



I have a list with 32 users and I get this (annoying) display instead  
of just a list of users. As far as I could tell, there is no default  
value for this, and if it is unset, even one users causes this display.


I have

mm_cfg.py:ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100
mm_cfg.py:DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100

(The first value did nothing so I tried the second as well)

But am still getting the initial letter display in the membership  
screen 33 members total, 1 shown.


Is there some way to disable this completely?  I want a display that  
shows the first 50 users (or 25, or 100, or whatever I set) on the  
first screen, then the next chunk on the next screen, c. This initial  
letter thing is wretched.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
LuKreme wrote:


I have a list with 32 users and I get this (annoying) display instead  
of just a list of users. As far as I could tell, there is no default  
value for this, and if it is unset, even one users causes this display.


What does the above mean?


I have

mm_cfg.py:ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100


As you notice, this does nothing.


mm_cfg.py:DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100

(The first value did nothing so I tried the second as well)


The second sets the default value for the admin_member_chunksize
attribute of a newly created list.


But am still getting the initial letter display in the membership  
screen 33 members total, 1 shown.

Is there some way to disable this completely?  I want a display that  
shows the first 50 users (or 25, or 100, or whatever I set) on the  
first screen, then the next chunk on the next screen, c. This initial  
letter thing is wretched.


Recent versions of Mailman allow you to set admin_member_chunksize on
the list's General Options page. If your Mailman doesn't support this,
you need to use bin/withlist or bin/config_list to set it. E.g.,

#!/bin/sh
f=`mktemp`
echo admin_member_chunksize = 5000  $f
bin/config_list -i $f LISTNAME
rm $f

(don't try to set it to 0, it will break the Membership List page).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List

2009-05-31 Thread LuKreme

On 31-May-2009, at 15:15, Mark Sapiro wrote:

#!/bin/sh
f=`mktemp`
echo admin_member_chunksize = 5000  $f
bin/config_list -i $f LISTNAME
rm $f



this got me:

usage: mktemp [-d] [-q] [-t prefix] [-u] template ...
   mktemp [-d] [-q] [-u] -t prefix

I did this manually and got:

Non-standard property restored: admin_member_chunksize

is that an error or a success?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating a new list fails

2009-05-31 Thread LuKreme

On 30-May-2009, at 15:42, Mark Sapiro wrote:

See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9 for why you should make
this change in mm_cfg.py, not Defaults.py.



OK, but the settings in Defaults.py were from 2007, when the machine  
was named 'akane' and it had an alias as 'mail'. Now the machine is  
named mail and 'akane' is just a DNS alias. I went ahead and added the  
lines to mm_cfg.py so they won't get blow away, but don't see any  
reason to restore the lines in Defaults.py as it will be overwritten  
when I finally get around to updating.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
LuKreme wrote:

On 31-May-2009, at 15:15, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 #!/bin/sh
 f=`mktemp`
 echo admin_member_chunksize = 5000  $f
 bin/config_list -i $f LISTNAME
 rm $f


this got me:

usage: mktemp [-d] [-q] [-t prefix] [-u] template ...
mktemp [-d] [-q] [-u] -t prefix


Sorry, my mktemp doesn't require a 'template'.


I did this manually and got:

Non-standard property restored: admin_member_chunksize

is that an error or a success?


That is a success, it means that admin_member_chunksize is a list
attribute but is not in the GUI.

So now your Membership List for that list will be all on one page until
it exceeds 5000 members at which point it will be in alphabetical
chunks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating a new list fails

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
LuKreme wrote:

On 30-May-2009, at 15:42, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9 for why you should make
 this change in mm_cfg.py, not Defaults.py.


OK, but the settings in Defaults.py were from 2007, when the machine  
was named 'akane' and it had an alias as 'mail'. Now the machine is  
named mail and 'akane' is just a DNS alias. I went ahead and added the  
lines to mm_cfg.py so they won't get blow away, but don't see any  
reason to restore the lines in Defaults.py as it will be overwritten  
when I finally get around to updating.


That's fine. You now have the correct settings in mm_cfg.py so it
doesn't matter what's in Defaults.py for these. What will be in
Defaults.py after an upgrade depends on how you upgrade. If you
upgrade from our source, you set these things in Defaults.py with the
--with-urlhost= and --with-mailhost= options to configure.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman does not respond to my email.

2009-05-31 Thread Cory Walker
Hello!

I've been having trouble with my main email (this is not it). Whenever I try
to post a message to a mailman mailing list with it, nothing happens. I
can't confirm subscriptions or post. Obviously, this email works fine with
any mailman server. With my main email, I've tried multiple clients
(evolution, thunderbird). None of them work. This has only happened since a
few months ago. I know this problem isn't unique to a certain list, because
it happens on this mailing list and all of my other projects.

Thanks in advance - Cory
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman administraive interface does not store data

2009-05-31 Thread Eggert Ehmke (FTV)
Hello,

I already run a Mailman list on my server that works fine. Now I set up a 
second list on another virtual domain. All looks fine, aliases and 
virtual-mailman are configured, the apache is configured. I can access the 
list administration but cannot change the general options. When I enter data 
in the general options and press Submit, the old options are displayed again. 
What makes things bad, I don't see any related error messages, also not in 
apache log files. How to track this down?
Chris
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[Mailman-Users] Email address cannot post to a specific mailing list

2009-05-31 Thread Cory Walker

Hello!

I've been having trouble using this email address to post to my projects 
mailing list, linux4nano-...@gna.org. No matter what I do, my emails 
never go through. I am subscribed, and I have also tried resubscribing. 
Obviously, I can use it to post to other lists. I've tried using another 
email and it works fine. Does anyone know what's wrong?


Thanks in advance, Cory
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman does not respond to my email.

2009-05-31 Thread Cory Walker
Hello!

I've been having trouble with my main email (this is not it). Whenever I try
to post a message to a mailman mailing list with it, nothing happens. I
can't confirm subscriptions or post. Obviously, this email works fine with
any mailman server. With my main email, I've tried multiple clients
(evolution, thunderbird). None of them work. This has only happened since a
few months ago. I know this problem isn't unique to a certain list, because
it happens on this mailing list and all of my other projects. I have even
tried using Comcast's web interface, so I know it is not the way I've set my
client up.

Thanks in advance - Cory
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Re: [Mailman-Users] howto rebuild the html files from mbox?

2009-05-31 Thread Zhengquan Zhang
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:42:53AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Zhengquan Zhang wrote:
 
 I just found that one list we manage has failed to generate the
 individual html file for the web archive since 2008, I did the
 check_perms yesterday and got it working again. the problem is the 2008
 folder is still missing but fortunately we have the mbox file intact.
 
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 apache mailman 162M May 28 16:05 admin.mbox
 
 I checked and found all messages from 2008 and 2009 are in it.
 
 my question is how to regenerate the 2008 and 2009 folder and the txt
 files from the mbox file?
 
 bin/mailmanctl stop
 bin/arch --wipe admin
 bin/mailmanctl start
 
 See bin/arch --help and bin/cleanarch --help for more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce notifications.

2009-05-31 Thread Timothy Park
Thank you very much Mark.  I'm sure that we'll be able to enact one of
those options.


Sincerely,

Tim

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
 Timothy Park wrote:

I'm sorry in advance if I'm not understanding Mailman's bounce notification
process, but here's my issue:  I've noticed that when a message bounces,
there are no notications to list owners.  I only stumbled upon this error
when we created a mailing list for a small group of developers, and one
wasn't receiving any email due to a problem with his mail server.  I had no
idea until he told me that he wasn't receiving our messages about a week
into the project.  When I checked Mailman's bounce log
(/var/log/mailmain/bounce), the erorr was there, and his bounce score was
1.0.  Is this the normal action of Mailman's bounce system? That is, to hold
off notifying the list owner of a bounce until the bounce score passes the
defined threshold?  If so, is there any way I can force bounce errors to be
delivered?  I tried disabling bounce processing, but that seems to just
discard bounced messages without a notification.  Some of our mailing lists
are mission critical where one person not receiving a message could be a
big deal, so if mailman could let us know when there is a delivery failure,
that would be wonderful (we wouldn't mind the extra email).  Thanks for your
help!


 Your observations are correct and that's the way bounce processing is
 designed to work.

 If you want to be notified of every bounce, you have a few choices:

 1) Be sure bounce_processing is Yes and bounce_notify_owner_on_disable
 is Yes, and set bounce_score_threshold = 1.0. This will cause a
 notice to be sent to the list owner containing the bounce message on
 the first bounce. The downside is the member's delivery will also be
 disabled, and the owner will then need to re-enable it, unless the
 address is truly undeliverable.

 2) Change the alias for LISTNAME-bounces to deliver to owner instead
 of bounces. This will direct all bounces to the owner, but requires
 delivery to Mailman to be via alias and to be truly effective requires
 aliases to not be automatically generated.

 3) Create a cron to run a few times a day and go through the bounce log
 looking for entries like

 May 28 05:06:04 2009 (12757) LISTNAME: u...@example.com bounce score:

 with timestamp  than the last run and mail a notice to LISTNAME-owner.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors on mailman startup

2009-05-31 Thread Malveeka Tewari
Hi

I installed mailman on localhost using the following instructions on
http://systers.org/systers-soc/doku.php/step_by_step_system_installation_-_production

But on starting mailman I get an error:
Site-list is missing: mailman-admin

Can anyone help me here?

Thanks
Malveeka

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Dave Filchak sub...@zuka.net wrote:

 Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Dave Filchak wrote:



 Mark Sapiro wrote:


 Did you actually do the test described in the post at
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044976.html
 (linked from the FAQ) as the Mailman user?


 Yes. This test was fine.


 Did you actually try to send mail as described in the post at
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044746.html
 (linked from the FAQ) as the Mailman user?


 This worked as well although, as I mention below, I am not logged in a
 mailman as mailman has no login shell and no password. Do I need to create
 one for mailman and try it again?


 If you did those as the Mailman user and they didn't show any error,
 then I can't explain why it fails when OutgoingRunner does the exact
 same thing.



 Did not do them as the mailman user but as another user (not root). User
 mailman has no login shell (/sbin/nologin) Should mailman need a login shell
 and passwd? It never has before and mailman was working. Again, there was a
 UPS failure at my ISP and the servers lost power abruptly so something might
 have happened then. But everything else is working, including regular mail.




 No. Mailman doesn't need a login shell or a password. You should be
 able to do, e.g.

 sudo -u mailman /bin/bash

 in order to get a command shell running as mailman or

 sudo -u mailman python

 to get a python interpreter.

 It seems there is a permissions issue somewhere that is preventing
 mailman from accessing something. Make sure /etc/hosts and
 /etc/resolve.conf are world readable. If that isn't it, try to narrow
 it down by running the tests as mailman using sudo as above.



 OK .. ran both tests as mailman. First one was fine. Second one, while it
 shown no errors initially, I only received the email that was sent as a rcpt
 (secondary email address). The To: email address did not get delivered. The
 smtp-failure logs do not show a specific error for that email transaction
 but it still shows a ton of the same errors, i.e.:

 May 29 16:21:04 2009 (6489) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not
 known'), msgid: mailman.1.1243617046.6486.some...@domain.net
 May 29 16:21:04 2009 (6489) delivery to some...@domain.org failed with
 code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

 Both /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts are world readable. I am truly
 stumped.

 Dave



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Install question - was: Errors on mailman startup

2009-05-31 Thread Malveeka Tewari
Sorry for replying in an already running thread.
Will not happen again.

I tried creating a newlist using bin/newlist

It asked me for an email address and password which I enetered but I got an
error
Illegal list name: mailman-ad...@localhost


On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 Malveeka Tewari wrote:
 
 I installed mailman on localhost using the following instructions on
 
 http://systers.org/systers-soc/doku.php/step_by_step_system_installation_-_production
 
 But on starting mailman I get an error:
 Site-list is missing: mailman-admin
 
 Can anyone help me here?


 Please do not hijack existing threads for new topics. Post an original
 message, not a reply.

 The instructions you reference above are old. They reference mailman
 2.1.10. The current version is 2.1.12. They are also incomplete
 because they don't mention creating the site list.

 The error message you got says you didn't create the site list, which
 is normally named 'mailman', not 'mailman-admin', but in your case you
 have declared its name to be mailman-admin by putting

 MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman-admin'

 in mm_cfg.py.

 Our installation manual is in the tarball and also at
 http://www.list.org/mailman-install/index.html. See section 8.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Install question - was: Errors on mailman startup

2009-05-31 Thread Malveeka Tewari
Thanks a lot!
Now atleast my mailman is running

Malveeka

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 Malveeka Tewari wrote:
 
 I tried creating a newlist using bin/newlist
 
 It asked me for an email address and password which I enetered but I got
 an
 error
 Illegal list name: mailman-ad...@localhost


 The instructions you are following are no good. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and
 DEFAULT_URL_HOST and the host names you supply to configure have to be
 fully qualified domain names. 'localhost' won't work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] howto rebuild the html files from mbox?

2009-05-31 Thread zhang zhengquan
Thanks a lot Mark,
It helped me out,

Regards,
Zhengquan

2009/5/29 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net:
 Zhengquan Zhang wrote:

I just found that one list we manage has failed to generate the
individual html file for the web archive since 2008, I did the
check_perms yesterday and got it working again. the problem is the 2008
folder is still missing but fortunately we have the mbox file intact.

-rw-rw-r-- 1 apache mailman 162M May 28 16:05 admin.mbox

I checked and found all messages from 2008 and 2009 are in it.

my question is how to regenerate the 2008 and 2009 folder and the txt
files from the mbox file?

 bin/mailmanctl stop
 bin/arch --wipe admin
 bin/mailmanctl start

 See bin/arch --help and bin/cleanarch --help for more information.

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[Mailman-Users] adding already existing mail lists to /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

2009-05-31 Thread Noah Garrett Wallach

Hi,

okay there is a warning to not manually edit the 
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file.  how do I add already existing mail 
lists that I am migrating from another server to an existing 
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file?


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[Mailman-Users] adding already existing mail lists to /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

2009-05-31 Thread Noah Garrett Wallach

Hi,

okay there is a warning to not manually edit the
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file.  how do I add already existing mail
lists that I am migrating from another server to an existing
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file?

Cheers,

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[Mailman-Users] adding already existing mail lists to /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

2009-05-31 Thread Noah Garrett Wallach

Hi,

okay there is a warning to not manually edit the
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file.  how do I add already existing mail
lists that I am migrating from another server to an existing
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file using the auto-add technique that 
would be similar to adding a new list from scratch.


Cheers,

Noah
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors on mailman startup

2009-05-31 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Malveeka Tewari malve...@gmail.com:

 I installed mailman on localhost using the following instructions on
 http://systers.org/systers-soc/doku.php/step_by_step_system_installation_-_production
 
 But on starting mailman I get an error:
 Site-list is missing: mailman-admin
 
 Can anyone help me here?

Create the required list mailman-admin

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman administraive interface does not store data

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Eggert Ehmke (FTV) wrote:

I already run a Mailman list on my server that works fine. Now I set up a 
second list on another virtual domain. All looks fine, aliases and 
virtual-mailman are configured, the apache is configured. I can access the 
list administration but cannot change the general options. When I enter data 
in the general options and press Submit, the old options are displayed again. 
What makes things bad, I don't see any related error messages, also not in 
apache log files. How to track this down?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] adding already existing mail lists to/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Noah Garrett Wallach wrote:

okay there is a warning to not manually edit the 
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file.  how do I add already existing mail 
lists that I am migrating from another server to an existing 
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file?


Run Mailman's bin/genaliases

(shall I repeat that 3 times?)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not respond to my email.

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Cory Walker wrote:

I've been having trouble with my main email (this is not it). Whenever I try
to post a message to a mailman mailing list with it, nothing happens. I
can't confirm subscriptions or post. Obviously, this email works fine with
any mailman server. With my main email, I've tried multiple clients
(evolution, thunderbird). None of them work. This has only happened since a
few months ago. I know this problem isn't unique to a certain list, because
it happens on this mailing list and all of my other projects. I have even
tried using Comcast's web interface, so I know it is not the way I've set my
client up.


You seem to have eliminated every variable except the address itself.
It might help us to help you if you told us what that is (or at least
the local part).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not respond to my email.

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote:

Cory Walker wrote:

I've been having trouble with my main email (this is not it). Whenever I try
to post a message to a mailman mailing list with it, nothing happens. I
can't confirm subscriptions or post. Obviously, this email works fine with
any mailman server. With my main email, I've tried multiple clients
(evolution, thunderbird). None of them work. This has only happened since a
few months ago. I know this problem isn't unique to a certain list, because
it happens on this mailing list and all of my other projects. I have even
tried using Comcast's web interface, so I know it is not the way I've set my
client up.


You seem to have eliminated every variable except the address itself.
It might help us to help you if you told us what that is (or at least
the local part).


Are you sure that the issue is Mailman not receiving or ignoring your
mail and not you ignoring Mailman's responses? Does this address
receive other peopls list posts? Do your posts appear in the list's
archive?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Email address cannot post to a specific mailing list

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Cory Walker wrote:

I've been having trouble using this email address to post to my projects 
mailing list, linux4nano-...@gna.org. No matter what I do, my emails 
never go through. I am subscribed, and I have also tried resubscribing. 
Obviously, I can use it to post to other lists. I've tried using another 
email and it works fine. Does anyone know what's wrong?


See my second reply in the Mailman does not respond to my email.
thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-June/066223.html.

Also note that Comcast's email service went through significant changes
in the last few months. Check your Comcast email preferences - filters
in particular - and look in your Comcast Spam folder.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List

2009-05-31 Thread LuKreme

On 31-May-2009, at 15:48, Mark Sapiro wrote:
So now your Membership List for that list will be all on one page  
until

it exceeds 5000 members at which point it will be in alphabetical
chunks.


Well, I set it to 100, not 5000 :)

Is there anyway to have it never ever use the new (well, not new  
anymore, I suppose) alphabetic chunks no matter what?  I'd much prefer  
100 per page, for as many pages as it takes.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
LuKreme wrote:

Is there anyway to have it never ever use the new (well, not new  
anymore, I suppose) alphabetic chunks no matter what?  I'd much prefer  
100 per page, for as many pages as it takes.


It's been an RFE for some time
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266715.

I understand that for lists of one or two hundred members, it might be
desirable to show two to four pages of 50, but with thousands of
members, the alphabetic chunks may be preferred.

You're welcome to submit a patch.

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