Re: [Mailman-Users] i18n: admin/mod environment vs. user environment
Hi again, El 05/28/09 19:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes. This appears to be a bug. The code looks like it's trying to do the right thing, but it fails. I'll see if I can fix it. Do you want me to open a bug report at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/ Best regards, Alvaro. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] i18n: admin/mod environment vs. user environment
Alvaro Uría wrote: El 05/28/09 19:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes. This appears to be a bug. The code looks like it's trying to do the right thing, but it fails. I'll see if I can fix it. Do you want me to open a bug report at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/ Yes, that would be good. I have already worked up a preliminary patch, but doing this completely correctly and consistently is tricky without a major refactoring of the code. Every exception has two associated messages - the hold reason and the default reject reason. I have ensured that the hold reason, which is displayed in the admindb interface and in the emails to the admin are in the list's language and the hold reason in the message sent to the user is in the user's language. The default reject reason will display in the admindb detail interface in the user's language because there's no way with the current design to get it sent to the user in the user's language in all cases. The other issue is if the user follows the cancel link in the user notice, the reason displayed on the confirmation page is in the list's language. Again, the current design doesn't allow this to be in a language different from what's displayed on the admindb pages and in the summary notices mailed to the admin. I hope this partial solution will be acceptable. It is not perfect, but I think it addresses the most common issues. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?
We took care of the clear text transmissions, I believe. One of the first things we did with Mailman was to make sure all web activity uses https. Similarly, we use SSL for email server authentication and mail transfer security. What is bothering me is list owners who want to use their initials or the list name as list owner passwords. I feel like kind of a sitting duck when we can't see the passwords they have chosen and have no way to enforce decent choices. Thanks for your interest and thoughts as to how Mailman might be enhanced in this area! At 06:48 PM 6/2/2009, you wrote: Kirke Johnson writes: I am concerned that list owners can put insecure admin passwords on their lists. My testing suggests that short passwords are accepted as well as alpha-only. The only control I have found is the length of admin passwords generated by Mailman. I have not located anything else that would enforce even minimal password security. Am I missing something here? No, except that there are other security issues with all Mailman passwords. Specifically, that these transactions are conducted over unencrypted channels anyway. -- Kirke Johnson Internet: kjohn...@pcc.edu Email Administrator, TSS , Sylvania Campus http://www.pcc.edu/ Portland Community College, Portland, OR, USA (503) 977-4368 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Archive toast - how to rebuild
The archive directory (the entire thing) of our mailman install is toast. The funny thing is, I really don't care about any of the archive files. But, without the archive directory structure there, Mailman seems to be confused. Is there a way to get Mailman to simply begin a new archive for every list? Preferably in a directory of my choosing (ie. in /home/mailman/archives/ rather than in /var/lib/mailman/archives/)? -- Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes chris-bar...@tamu.eduYahoo IM: chrisnbarnes Computer Systems Manager MSN IM: ch...@txbarnes.com Department of Physics ph: 979-845-7801 Texas AM University fax: 979-845-2590 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive toast - how to rebuild
Chris Barnes wrote: The archive directory (the entire thing) of our mailman install is toast. The funny thing is, I really don't care about any of the archive files. But, without the archive directory structure there, Mailman seems to be confused. Is there a way to get Mailman to simply begin a new archive for every list? Preferably in a directory of my choosing (ie. in /home/mailman/archives/ rather than in /var/lib/mailman/archives/)? The paths to the private and public archives directories are set by the definitions of PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR and PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR. These are set in Defaults.py with PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'public') PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'private') but can be overridden in mm_cfg.py with say PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = '/home/mailman/archives/public' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = '/home/mailman/archives/private' These paths will need to exist with appropriate group and mode - Mailman's group for all three and mode 2775 for archives and archives/public and mode 2771 for archives/private. In addition you need the directories /home/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/ and /home/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/ with Mailman's group and mode 2775 for each list. I'm not sure if you need the file /home/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html or not. I don't think so, and it will be overwritten with the first post anyway. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?
On 6/3/2009 4:33 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: What is bothering me is list owners who want to use their initials or the list name as list owner passwords. I feel like kind of a sitting duck when we can't see the passwords they have chosen and have no way to enforce decent choices. It should be a lot easier to test to see if the password (clear text or encrypted) matches known values as compared to testing to see if it's an other wise good password. (No dictionary is needed to check against.) Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?
Grant Taylor wrote: On 6/3/2009 4:33 PM, Kirke Johnson wrote: What is bothering me is list owners who want to use their initials or the list name as list owner passwords. I feel like kind of a sitting duck when we can't see the passwords they have chosen and have no way to enforce decent choices. It should be a lot easier to test to see if the password (clear text or encrypted) matches known values as compared to testing to see if it's an other wise good password. (No dictionary is needed to check against.) What known values? List name, yes, but the list owner's name, initials, whatever are not known to Mailman - only her email address. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: It occurs to me that this API is going to make it hard to provide help to users. Maybe CheckPassword's API should be to raise an InvalidPasswordError with an appropriate reason, or alternatively to return a false value if nothing is wrong with the password, otherwise return a list of reasons it is invalid (ie, return 'reasons' in the example below). Thank you Stephen. Your API is clearly better than mine. I appreciate the help. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I enforce secure admin passwords?
Mark Sapiro writes: Thank you Stephen. Your API is clearly better than mine. I appreciate the help. No problem! I will try to get back in touch with the code base; maybe I can actually contribute a patch -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailman
Hi, Our program has been using your program for a couple of years now. Because we didn't have our own website, we were able to use our local university's site to set up the groups. We recently got our own website through Host Papa, and decided to create our own mailing list instead. It began three weeks ago, and although we didn't have problems before, we are having most of the email bounce back. Is there someone who can help us with this? Claire Laing Communication Designer Toward Optimized Practice CMA Alberta House 12230 106 Ave NW Edmonton, AB T5N 3Z1 780.732.3367 or 1.866.505.3302 claire.la...@topalbertadoctors.org www.TOPalbertadoctors.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailman data access
Hello Mailman users, this might not be the right way of asking questions - but maybe I can get an answer to my question. I was searching and searching with google for a possibility to access the mailman data with a programatic interface. This would allow me to write a client in Java and access my mailman managed mails and present them in a neat User interface. I have seen in the mailman docu that a programatic interface exist (4.09 Mailman bin commands) but I dont know how to handle them in my case. Let me draw an example here: - my mailing list is running on http://mydomain.com/mailman/private/mailingList/ - now I want to search (via http or any other access method) for all entries - I should also be possible to search by keywords ( i.e. threads by a userId, threads by title..) Does anybody know a similar project or has anybody done this before ? thanks for you help, detlef -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman
Hello, I am working with the government of Somerville, Massachusetts in order to determine an appropriate email list hosting service. I have a few questions about the Mailman server which are not answered on your website. Is there a way to link Mailman to a blog to send automatic updates? Or is this a service that is not offered? Is there an option to include a sign-up box on our website? Or must users go to the mailman homepage to subscribe to one of our lists? I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible. This information is critical to our decision making process. Thank you, Julie Gray Somerstat City of Somerville -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Install question - was: Errors on mailman startup
Now I have managed to get mailman working correctly but for one small problem. Users can subscribe to a list, confrm the subcription, create new lists. But they can't post to the list. I think I need to fix my postfix settings. I am able to send mails to local users and also to other Internet mail accounts but can only receive local mails but not from external mail accounts. Can you please tell me how to fix this? Thanks Malveeka On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Malveeka Tewari wrote: Yes I meant DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.. Sorry about that Postfix seems to be working fine.. I am able to send and recieve mails to the local users I do not have a fixed IP address. Is there anywhere I can get a free domain name for my laptop fr sometime ( 1 week or so) so that I can test my mailman setup on my laptop? You could check out http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/. I am not recommending either for or against using such a service, just pointing it out. Since don't have any FQDN for my laptop, If I want to run mailman on my laptop what should i give the value of DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST ? You can use an IP address for testing purposes if you add it to the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary as I indicated in my prefious reply., but you can't actually run a real list in this way. Note also that even with a domain name as provided by dyndns or equivalent, many ISPs will not accept mail from such a domain. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Hi there I would like to create a list for blind people to use to discuss IT related queries. How do I start a list off and how do people subscribe. Do I need to instal mailman on a Unix based machine as the first step? Or can a windows machine be used. Thank you Stephen Plumpton Stephen N. Plumpton Action for Blind People North West Team Technology Officer Tel: 0151 298 3222 The Gateway Centre 71 London Road Liverpool L3 8HY Action for Blind People is an expert national organisation, ensuring blind and partially sighted people get practical support in all aspects of their lives. In April 2009 Action for Blind People became an associate charity of RNIB, in an innovative partnership combining regional service delivery across England. This partnership enables both organisations to share skills and deliver services in line with the UK Vision Strategy. For more information phone us on our National Freephone Helpline 0800 915 4666 or visit our fully accessible website. www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk http://www.actionforblindpeople.org.uk/ . Registered Charity no: 205913 (England and Wales) SC040050 (Scotland) P Grow a tree, plant seeds. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] mailing list support
Good day My name is Terry Munk and I manage the website for a small lake assoc. in upstate New York. Members have asked about the possibility of our having a mailing list set up to send out information to our membership. Our current host does not offer this service. We are a 501 C 3 not for Profit organization. My question is can you tell me if there is someplace out there where we can create a mailing list? I am a novice at the mailing list so I could very easily be using the wrong terms, not too sure. What I am looking for is to create a list that our membership could subscribe and unsubscribe to through a secure web site that we could send out a monthly newsletter through and occasional other items. Our current address is ny-glenlake.org http://www.ny-glenlake.org/ . I try to keep this information as up to date as possible on our web site; however we have members who for various reasons are able to get e-mail but not look at web sites. Thank you in advance for any assistance that you might be able to provide. Terry Munk webmas...@ny-glenlake.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] migrating hundreds of lists to another host
Hi mailman list, Since our list server is getting old and dying, I plan to migrate list service to another host. mailman is working with a postfix setup. the migration will be temporary and once I setup a new server for the list I will move the lists back. My question is, how Can I minimize list downtime and allow for users to use the lists without any feeling the service has been moved to another host? for example, the hostname is different for the temporary host and others? I am clueless asto how to do this. Thanks for any pointers and enlightenments, -- Zhengquan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
