Re: [Mailman-Users] Disabling quoting of original messages sent to request

2009-06-12 Thread Steven Bonisteel
Thanks, Terri Oda and Mark Sapiro for the responses.

The pointer to CommandRunner.py allowed me to quash the copied input for now.

(I had to do something, as the issue was getting our server into CBL and so 
largely hobbling all our lists.)

But I agree with Terri that the result is not ideal -- and probably confusing 
-- for legitimate users of the request address.

We are lucky (I guess) in that we have an otherwise tightly controlled, custom 
front end for subscriber management and that the only time *most* legitimate 
users interact with the 'request' address is when Replying to a subscription 
confirmation. (And that may be the step where a cc: of the original message is 
least informative.)

Regards,
Steven


At 06:56 PM 6/11/2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

In Mailman 2.1.x, only by modifying the the Results.send_response()
method in Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py. If you want to do this, post
that fact, and I can suggest a patch.

At 05:52 PM 6/11/2009, Terri Oda wrote:

Are you sure you want to just disable the quoting?  I know the spams are 
obnoxious, but at least right now your users can tell that the spammer is the 
culprit.  If you take that part out, then they may assume your installation of 
mailman is at fault, or that they somehow sent something out, which could be 
even more confusing than just receiving the spam copy is.

 
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[Mailman-Users] Bounce processing off but still receiving bounce messages

2009-06-12 Thread Dave Bevis
I have a list set up that the membership changes on the fly. When an  
email is sent out, the current list is removed and a new list is  
uploaded. I have turned bounce processing off but I am still  
receiving bounce messages. Is there a way to turn bounce processing  
off completely for a particular list?


Mac os x server Mailman 2.1.4

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing off but still receiving bounce messages

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Dave Bevis wrote:

I have a list set up that the membership changes on the fly. When an  
email is sent out, the current list is removed and a new list is  
uploaded. I have turned bounce processing off but I am still  
receiving bounce messages. Is there a way to turn bounce processing  
off completely for a particular list?

Mac os x server Mailman 2.1.4


If bounce processing is Off for listname, any message sent to
listname-boun...@... is ignored.

If you are seeing bounces, either some broken MTA/MDA is returning them
to other than the envelope sender or this is an Apple issue.

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[Mailman-Users] Approve all held?

2009-06-12 Thread Alexx
Hi list-ees,

After googling and searching the list archives, haven't been able to
find an answer to:
 how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for
moderation due to one reason or another? I could manually approve some
of them with confirm in subject and approved:password message, but
there are PLENTY of old  ones held for more than 3 days in queue.

I suppose it has to be done via /bin/withlist and a script, or is
there another solution?

TIA,
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[Mailman-Users] problems with mail robot -request

2009-06-12 Thread Joe

Dear Mailman-Users and Team,

i am using mailman for a long time now and like for once to say thanks 
for the good work!


 A while ago we migrated the server and the lists. It comes that i 
recognized a problem. A mail to the mail robot 
mylist-requ...@mylist.domain goes straight to the moderation-queue and 
the user got a bounce that the mail is held for approval. Even when the 
moderator approves the mail - it is published to the list and not to the 
mail-robot.


My first idea was that the migrated lists are buggy - but the same 
behaviour occurs after creating a new list.


We are using virtualhosts and postfix as a mta.

Any Ideas howto debug or which steps to take to get this problem solved 
are highly appreciated?


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[Mailman-Users] Migration to new server, new domain name

2009-06-12 Thread Duane Winner
Hello,

Can anybody point me to a document or explain to me what is necessary to
complete these steps?

We have a mailman server hosted on a FreeBSD box and need to migrate it an
Ubuntu box and change domain names on all the lists.

We have several dozen lists, all under the foo.org domain. We need to
change foo.org to bar.org

The current mail.foo.org server on FreeBSD is getting long in the tooth,
and we need to move anyway to Ubuntu. So I need to set up a new Ubuntu
server w/ Postfix, Mailman and Apache and call this server mail.bar.org
and this will be the MX server for bar.org.

For each *...@foo.org list, I need to move it to the new server, and it's
archives to mail.bar.org and that list will be called *...@bar.org

But I also want to be able to protect users with forwarding.if they
still send mail to their old respective *...@foo.org list, how do I configure
to foward and process to the new *...@bar.org list?

Thanks in advance for any links, docs, or advice.

DW
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[Mailman-Users] Member list

2009-06-12 Thread Steve
Hi,

I would need your advice...

I am doing some tests at the moment.
What I want to do, is to be able to invite or to make subscribe some
people, in order to send them some newsletters.

However, I do wish that ONLY the moderators and the administrator can
send newsletters. None of the members should be able to send newsletters.
- How can I disable it ?

Instead of letting them sending emails and waiting for approval, I would
prefer that this will be rejected automatically, without rejecting the
admin and moderators

Can I setup the system like this ?

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] issues with having www on address

2009-06-12 Thread Mitch Gore
Hi,

I have my mailman set up and its working.  I have one small issue left.

If i goto http://mysite.com/mailman/admin/ I see all my lists.

but if i goto http://www.mysite.com/mailman/admin i see all but 2 lists.

In my mm_cfg.conf file I have:

DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'www.mysite.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'info.mysite.com'

removing the www from the default url host doesnt seem to fix anything.  is
there a way  i am suppose to handle these differant URL's?

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[Mailman-Users] Move systems (UNCLASSIFIED)

2009-06-12 Thread McCord, Mark C Mr CIV USA
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I have mailman with postfix running on a 32-bit RHEL 5 system.  I need to
move it to a new 64-bit system.  Is there a way to do so without losing the
data, configurations, etc  I already have?  I have some Linux experience,
but this my first foray into managing a list server (or any type of mail
server).

Mark 
 
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[Mailman-Users] Help please?

2009-06-12 Thread patrick
I am using mailman to run a mail list   memb...@saparweb.com

 

 

The problem is that list members using  xx...@hotmail  addresses do not
receive the messages, not even in their spam folders?

 

Any suggestions please?

 

 

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[Mailman-Users] Question of adminstration

2009-06-12 Thread Steve James
Hi,

Sorry guys to bother you, but I cannot find anywhere the answer to my
question

I am doing some tests at the moment.

What I want to do, is to  create a mailing list, in order to send
newsletters
BUT Only the administrator and the moderator can send newsletters
I don't want that the members in the list, can send any info, via our
newsletter

If they send any email, I would like to reject automatically the email.
( but not from the moderator or the Admin )

Thanks


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[Mailman-Users] gmail marks mailman confirmation mail as spam...

2009-06-12 Thread Kārlis Repsons
Hi,
maybe you have some recipe for making gmail treat confirmation mails as 
non-spam? It just throws mail confirm e8492f19d7c336341050...
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman + virtualenv

2009-06-12 Thread Rick Morrison
I've been tasked with upgrading an existing Mailman installation to a new
version while maintaining some patches we've previously made to the base
setup. All this is to happen on a VPS hosted machine while the existing
mailing list continues to run as-is.

I'm considering doing a side-by-side install of a new version of Mailman
under virtualenv, then porting over the changes, and then finally switching
over once testing is done.

Anyone out there have any experience running Mailman in virtualenv? Any
known minefields to avoid?

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] requesting copies of previous messages on a mailman list

2009-06-12 Thread Spencer, Ross
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Hi,

 

I am an administrator of a mailman mailing list. I am struggling to find
any documentation on how to request a copy of a previously posted
message using mailman.

 

i.e. for new users to reply to existing threads.

 

Is it anywhere in your documentation, can you point me in the right
direction?

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Approve all held?

2009-06-12 Thread Brad Knowles

Alexx wrote:


After googling and searching the list archives, haven't been able to
find an answer to:
 how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for
moderation due to one reason or another?


So far as I know, there is no method for doing this.  You can discard all 
messages that are held for moderation, but there's no approve all messages 
option.


You could always hack the source code yourself to add such a feature, if you 
were so inclined.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Approve all held?

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Alexx wrote:

 how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for
moderation due to one reason or another? I could manually approve some
of them with confirm in subject and approved:password message, but
there are PLENTY of old  ones held for more than 3 days in queue.

I suppose it has to be done via /bin/withlist and a script, or is
there another solution?


Assuming the admindb web interface is working, you could go there and
approve the posts.

Otherwise, you can modify bin/discard to approve the posts rather than
discard them.

See http://wiki.list.org/x/nIA9 for some information on the usage of
bin/discard.

If you look at the bin/discard script, near the end you will see

   mlist.HandleRequest(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, '', False, False, '')

(actually indented more than above). If you change mm_cfg.DISCARD to
mm_cfg.APPROVE, the script will approve held posts rather than discard
them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with mail robot -request

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Joe wrote:

  A while ago we migrated the server and the lists. It comes that i 
recognized a problem. A mail to the mail robot 
mylist-requ...@mylist.domain goes straight to the moderation-queue and 
the user got a bounce that the mail is held for approval. Even when the 
moderator approves the mail - it is published to the list and not to the 
mail-robot.


Mail to the LIST-request address should never be hels for approval
unless it it also sent to the LIST posting address.


My first idea was that the migrated lists are buggy - but the same 
behaviour occurs after creating a new list.

We are using virtualhosts and postfix as a mta.


I seems that possibly you have

recipient_delimiter = -

in Postfix's main.cf, but that alonoe should not cause this as the
alias for LIST-request should override the '-' recipient delimiter in
this case, so you apparently have a problem with your Mailman aliases
and/or virtual maps too.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Migration to new server, new domain name

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Duane Winner wrote:

Can anybody point me to a document or explain to me what is necessary to
complete these steps?

We have a mailman server hosted on a FreeBSD box and need to migrate it an
Ubuntu box and change domain names on all the lists.

We have several dozen lists, all under the foo.org domain. We need to
change foo.org to bar.org

The current mail.foo.org server on FreeBSD is getting long in the tooth,
and we need to move anyway to Ubuntu. So I need to set up a new Ubuntu
server w/ Postfix, Mailman and Apache and call this server mail.bar.org
and this will be the MX server for bar.org.

For each *...@foo.org list, I need to move it to the new server, and it's
archives to mail.bar.org and that list will be called *...@bar.org


This is covered in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9.


But I also want to be able to protect users with forwarding.if they
still send mail to their old respective *...@foo.org list, how do I configure
to foward and process to the new *...@bar.org list?


You need to congigure the MX MTA for foo.org with aliases or whatever
to forward l...@foo.org mail to l...@bar.org for each list.

In mailman, you probably want to set l...@foo.org in Privacy options...
- Recipient filters - acceptable_aliases for each l...@bar.org list,
although this isn't strictly necessary because current code will
accept l...@foo.org as an explicit destination for l...@bar.org for
backwards compatibility reasons.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Member list

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Steve wrote:

I am doing some tests at the moment.
What I want to do, is to be able to invite or to make subscribe some
people, in order to send them some newsletters.

However, I do wish that ONLY the moderators and the administrator can
send newsletters. None of the members should be able to send newsletters.
- How can I disable it ?


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9.


Instead of letting them sending emails and waiting for approval, I would
prefer that this will be rejected automatically, without rejecting the
admin and moderators


Yes. This is covered in the FAQ, but note that the secure way to do
this is to leave everyone moderated and post with an Approved: header
as also mentioned in the FAQ.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] issues with having www on address

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mitch Gore wrote:

I have my mailman set up and its working.  I have one small issue left.

If i goto http://mysite.com/mailman/admin/ I see all my lists.

but if i goto http://www.mysite.com/mailman/admin i see all but 2 lists.


This is because all but two of your lists are in the www.mysite.com
domain and the other two are in the mysite.com domain. The fact that
the www.mysite.com lists appear on the mysite.com overview is actually
a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/342162


In my mm_cfg.conf file I have:

DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'www.mysite.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'info.mysite.com'

removing the www from the default url host doesnt seem to fix anything.  is
there a way  i am suppose to handle these differant URL's?


To understand why changing mm_cfg.py alone is not effective, see the
FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9.

In your case, if you have only the two domains and want to see all
lists on the overview regardless of which URL you use, set

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py. Otherwise, the above referenced FAQ explains hou to run
fix_url to put all lists in the DEFAULT_URL_HOST domain.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Approve all held?

2009-06-12 Thread Terri Oda

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Alexx wrote:

how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for
moderation due to one reason or another? I could manually approve some
of them with confirm in subject and approved:password message, but
there are PLENTY of old  ones held for more than 3 days in queue.

I suppose it has to be done via /bin/withlist and a script, or is
there another solution?

Assuming the admindb web interface is working, you could go there and
approve the posts.


And if you want a script to work with that, here's one I wrote for 
greasemonkey (a firefox add-on that lets you script parts of your 
interface).  You'll have to alter the @include line so it contains your 
own site address.  This would probably work better as a bookmarklet, if 
someone wants to convert it.


You'll still have to click submit yourself (which gives you a chance 
to review if you want) but it will move all the defaults to be accept



// ==UserScript==
// @name   Approve all Mailman posts
// @descriptionTerri Oda's lazy way to approve all postings
// @namespace  http://terri.zone12.com
// @includehttp://mailman.linuxchix.org/mailman/admindb/*
// ==/UserScript==

var inputs = document.getElementsByTagName(input);

for (var i=0; i  inputs.length; i++){
if(inputs[i].type == 'radio' 
inputs[i].name.indexOf(senderaction-) == 0 
inputs[i].value == 1){
inputs[i].checked = true;
}
}
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help please?

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
patrick wrote:

The problem is that list members using  xx...@hotmail  addresses do not
receive the messages, not even in their spam folders?


Hotmail (Windows Live Mail) is discarding messages from your server.
This is something that you or the server admins will have to deal with
Microsoft to fix.

See http://postmaster.msn.com/Troubleshooting.aspx, and note the
middle paragraph under

Sender services, tools, and issue submission

which says

If your e-mail complies with our service guidelines and you are still
experiencing e-mail delivery problems that are not addressed in our
FAQ, click here to contact support.

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[Mailman-Users] Who kicked the gate loose?

2009-06-12 Thread Jones, Scott (GE Money, consultant)
Whence cometh the sudden flood of posts? 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Move systems (UNCLASSIFIED)

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
McCord, Mark C Mr CIV USA wrote:

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Caveats: NONE
 
I have mailman with postfix running on a 32-bit RHEL 5 system.  I need to
move it to a new 64-bit system.  Is there a way to do so without losing the
data, configurations, etc  I already have?  I have some Linux experience,
but this my first foray into managing a list server (or any type of mail
server).


If you are currently running the RedHat rpm package, see the FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/x/KYCB for where to find things.

What you need to do is install Mailman on the new server. Do not create
any lists other than possibly the 'mailman' site list.

Move the contents of the lists/ and archives/private/ directories
(except maybe for the 'mailman/' and 'mailman.mbox/' directories) from
the old server to the new.

If the domain name isn't changing, that's all you need to do. If the
domain is changing, see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Who kicked the gate loose?

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jones, Scott (GE Money, consultant) wrote:

Whence cometh the sudden flood of posts? 


New members are moderated by default. Sometimes the moderator (who
isn't me) is attending to other parts of his life and isn't able to
approve posts for a few days.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Approve all held?

2009-06-12 Thread Terri Oda

Terri Oda wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Alexx wrote:

how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for
moderation due to one reason or another? I could manually approve some
of them with confirm in subject and approved:password message, but
there are PLENTY of old  ones held for more than 3 days in queue.

I suppose it has to be done via /bin/withlist and a script, or is
there another solution?


Here's a bookmarklet version of the script I posted earlier.  Just 
bookmark this stupidly long string and then when you're viewing your 
admin page, click the bookmark to move every box over to Accept -- 
should simplify the task some.




javascript:function%20approveAll(){var%20inputs=document.getElementsByTagName(input);for(var%20i=0;iinputs.length;i++){if(inputs[i].type=='radio'inputs[i].name.indexOf(senderaction-)==0inputs[i].value==1){inputs[i].checked=true;}}};approveAll()


I expect the stupidly long string is going to get line-wrapped, so 
you'll probably need to stick it back together.  I've only tested it in 
Firefox 3, but it's pretty basic JavaScript so it will likely work in 
other browsers.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question of adminstration

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Steve James wrote:

What I want to do, is to  create a mailing list, in order to send
newsletters
BUT Only the administrator and the moderator can send newsletters
I don't want that the members in the list, can send any info, via our
newsletter

If they send any email, I would like to reject automatically the email.
( but not from the moderator or the Admin )


Answered in another thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-June/066314.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] requesting copies of previous messages on a mailman list

2009-06-12 Thread Grant Taylor

On 06/10/09 07:34, Spencer, Ross wrote:
I am an administrator of a mailman mailing list. I am struggling to 
find any documentation on how to request a copy of a previously 
posted message using mailman.


I'm not aware of any ability in Mailman that will allow you make a 
request for a previously posted message.


In fact, I believe that Mailman simply (in effect) splits / explodes any 
given message and re-sends it on to multiple recipients, with one of the 
recipients being an archive.  To the best of my knowledge the archive 
simply appends the message to an mbox file (or similar) for later view 
via the web interface.  I do not believe there is any concept of 
retrieving a given message out of the archive.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] requesting copies of previous messages on a mailmanlist

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Spencer, Ross wrote:

** Protective Marking : NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED  **

I am an administrator of a mailman mailing list. I am struggling to find
any documentation on how to request a copy of a previously posted
message using mailman.

 

i.e. for new users to reply to existing threads.


Does your list have archives?

If so, and if the ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS  setting has it's
default value of Yes, the poster's address in the archived message is
a mailto: link to the list with appropriate Subject= and In-Reply-To=
query fragments for replying.

There is an issue in that in Mailman versions prior to 2.1.10, there
was a bug in that the In-Reply-To was the Message-ID of the prior post
in thread if any rather than the current post.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] gmail marks mailman confirmation mail as spam...

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Kālis Repsons wrote:
 Hi,
 maybe you have some recipe for making gmail treat confirmation mails as 
 non-spam? It just throws mail confirm e8492f19d7c336341050...


Confirmations are sent with

Precedence: bulk

which may be part of the problem, but I just tested a confirmation to a
gmail.com address and it went to the inbox. As far as I know, I have no
special spam whitelisting in effect on this gmail account.

The one thing that might be different is the server I sent this from has

VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py which changes the subject from

  confirm 6e4cfe0ab337729574b1a643a231569ef0ef59ab

to

  Your confirmation is required to join the LISTNAME mailing list

and the From: from

  listname-requ...@example.com

to

  listname-confirm+6e4cfe0ab337729574b1a643a231569ef0ef5...@example.com

So you might try setting VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes if your MTA can
properly deliver to an address such as above. That may help.

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[Mailman-Users] Administrivia

2009-06-12 Thread LuKreme
I have Administrivia turned on for a list, but people keep sending  
subscribe requests to the list address (because they are morons, I  
guess, I send them the subscribe address). Anyway, the administrivia  
setting does not pick up these messages and I end up with them in the  
admin queue and end up manually adding them to the subscribers list  
and purging the message.


Can I get administrivia to process subscribe request?

message will come in with the single word subject of subscribe  
sometimes with a single word body of subscribe or sometimes no body.


The help says Administrivia tests will check postings to see whether  
it's really meant as an administrative request (like subscribe,  
unsubscribe, etc), and will add it to the the administrative requests  
queue, notifying the administrator of the new request, in the process.


but at least on my system, this doesn't seem to happen.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrivia

2009-06-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:12:17 -0600
LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote:

Hello LuKreme,

 The help says Administrivia tests will check postings to see whether  
 it's really meant as an administrative request (like subscribe,  
 unsubscribe, etc), and will add it to the the administrative requests  
 queue, notifying the administrator of the new request, in the process.
 but at least on my system, this doesn't seem to happen.

I asked a very similar question a few months back, and got a very
comprehensive answer from Mark Sapiro.

In my case, it was that the people attempting to (un)subscribe were
sending their requests with a plain text *and* an HTML part.  The
combination of the two parts added up to far more than the allowed
number of lines for a message to be treated as administrivia, s was
passed on to the list processing software, which promptly strips the
HTML part, leaving just the one word message that arrived at the list.

Is it possible that the same thing is happening on your list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Who kicked the gate loose?

2009-06-12 Thread Brad Knowles

Jones, Scott (GE Money, consultant) wrote:

Whence cometh the sudden flood of posts? 


I have been remiss in my duties as moderator for this list, and today I 
finally got the chance to try to catch up.


I'll try to stay more current in the future.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrivia

2009-06-12 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brad Rogers wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:12:17 -0600
LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote:

Hello LuKreme,

 The help says Administrivia tests will check postings to see whether =20
 it's really meant as an administrative request (like subscribe, =20
 unsubscribe, etc), and will add it to the the administrative requests =20
 queue, notifying the administrator of the new request, in the process.
 but at least on my system, this doesn't seem to happen.

I asked a very similar question a few months back, and got a very
comprehensive answer from Mark Sapiro.


Which can be found at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-December/064208.html


In my case, it was that the people attempting to (un)subscribe were
sending their requests with a plain text *and* an HTML part.  The
combination of the two parts added up to far more than the allowed
number of lines for a message to be treated as administrivia, s was
passed on to the list processing software, which promptly strips the
HTML part, leaving just the one word message that arrived at the list.

Is it possible that the same thing is happening on your list?


Note that for the above scenario, you can rearrange the pipeline to put
MimeDel before Hold so that both administrivia and too big checks
are done after content filtering. To do this, put

#
# Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so too big is based on content filtered
# message.
#
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel')
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel')

in mm_cfg.py.

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