[Mailman-Users] Help, I keep getting notices from a nonexisting group via mailman

2010-02-02 Thread RhondaRR
The following is the message I keep getting. When I go to unsubscribe, it says 
that it is nonexistant.  Can you help?  How do I stop receiving this message?

Mailing list membership??? However, I can't find a way to unsubscribe. 
Betterwaypress is no longer in existance.  Can you help?

From:   listserver2-ow...@betterwaypress.com
Subject:betterwaypress.com mailing list memberships reminder
my emails to the above keep bouncing back as mail delivery failure

Thank you.
rm...@rochester.rr.com

This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
betterwaypress.com mailing list memberships.  It includes your
subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a
list.

You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of
the list (for example, listserver2-requ...@betterwaypress.com)
containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email
message will be sent to you with instructions.

If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
listserver2-ow...@betterwaypress.com.  Thanks!

Passwords for rm...@rochester.rr.com:

List Password // URL
   
listserv...@betterwaypress.com   tirakaib  
http://betterwaypress.com/mailman/options/listserver2_betterwaypress.com/rmiga%40rochester.rr.com


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help, I keep getting notices from a nonexisting group via mailman

2010-02-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
RhondaRR wrote:

The following is the message I keep getting. When I go to unsubscribe, it says 
that it is nonexistant.  Can you help?  How do I stop receiving this message?

Not directly, but ...


Mailing list membership??? However, I can't find a way to unsubscribe. 
Betterwaypress is no longer in existance.  Can you help?


Betterwaypress may no longer be in existence, but the
betterwaypress.com domain registration is still valid through
21-Dec-2010. It appears to be currently hosted at
lunarmania.com/lunarpages.com.

There is a mailman installation at the current
http://betterwaypress.com/mailman/listinfo and also at
http://lunarmania.com/mailman/listinfo, but as you have discovered
there appears to be no
http://betterwaypress.com/mailman/listinfo/listserver2_betterwaypress.com
list.


There are a few possibilities.

betterwaypress.com could have been previously hosted elswhere and there
could still be a listserver2_betterwaypress.com list on that other
server. You need to look at the Received: headers in the password
reminder email you received and find out what server originated it.

The other possibility is the current Mailman installation at
http://betterwaypress.com/mailman/listinfo is broken and is still
sending reminders for the non-existent list.

Either way, you have to contact the operators of the server that is
sending you these notices and you can find that server in the
Received: headers of the notice. If you need help with this, you can
forward the entire notice to me as an attachment so it includes the
full headers, and I can tell you where it came from.

The following is the registrant of the BETTERWAYPRESS.COM domain

   Administrative Contact:
  Moran, Linda  stayathomeg...@gmail.com
  Betterway Press
  504 Darby Court
  Ridgewood, NJ 07450
  US
  2013219379

and this is for lunarpages.com

 Administrative Contact:
Web Hosting, Lunarpages  doma...@lunarpages.com
1360 N Hancock St.
Anaheim, CA 92807
US
+1.7145218150Fax: +1.7145218195

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3.0 wishlist: imap protocol support

2010-02-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Karl O. Pinc wrote:

As long as I'm requesting features, it'd be nice if
the mailman archive was able to support access via
the imap protocol.

Yes, that's something I definitely want to do.

I would think it would make more sense to structure
the archive in such a way that any old imap server could
be used rather than build imap protocol support into
mailman itself, but that's not for me to say.

There's no way I'm going to build (or maintain!) an imap server for Mailman.
Although details should be discussed on the mailman-developers list, my plan
is to provide something like the current archiver interface to allow Mailman
to 'send' messages to some service that would process the messages for a
particular imap server.  For example, there might be an implementation of that
interface for dovecot via maildir, or for whatever Twisted's imap server
wants.

The tricky part IMO is access control.  For example, a list's imap folder
should generally be world readable, except for private mailing lists, but only
list and site admin should have write access to the folder.

I'd also like to support a use case where list moderation could be handled
through the imap interface.  E.g. instead of a web page, a moderator could
approve or discard messages just by moving them between imap folders for the
list.

-Barry


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[Mailman-Users] Possible Bug in 2.1.13 sync_members

2010-02-02 Thread Barry Finkel
I think I may have uncovered a bug in Mailman 2.1.13.  I have not
completed my research.  I have a script that refreshes the subscriber
list via:

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/sync_members -w=no -g=no -d=no -a=no \
 -f /etc/mailman/generated_lists/LISTNAME LISTNAME

where

 /etc/mailman/generated_lists/LISTNAME

is a file that contains a possibly updated mailing list.  In that file
there is a line:

 ssm...@example.com(XYZ, 012345, Smith, S.A. (Sam))

and after I run the sync_members, every line below this one is
ignored; the e-mail addresses in those lines are unsubscribed from
the list.  This has happened with two lists since I installed
Mailman 2.1.13 (replacing 2.1.11 - I never installed 2.1.12 in
production).  The third list that contains this e-mail address has
a different format:

 ssm...@example.com(Smith, S.A. (Sam)  :012345)

and that list has no problems.  I have not yet checked for changes in
the sync_members source from 2.1.11 to 2.1.12 to 2.1.13.

I am running on Ubuntu dapper with packages I built from the SourceForge
source.  The only patches are

 1) one from Ubuntu to place files in the proper directories

 2) one from Mark Sapiro to allow multiple owner addresses on
 /usr/sbin/newlist

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[Mailman-Users] Moving a list from one domain to another

2010-02-02 Thread Geoff Shang

Hello,

I realise this is probably a FAQ, but I couldn't find anything specificly 
about this in the FAQ.


I need to move a list from one domain to another.  The domains are both 
hosted on the same machine so there's no need to *physically* move 
anything.


I figure I don't need to worry about the multiple domain restrictions, as 
I don't expect there to be name clashes (I admin all the lists and the 
server).


I figure I have to change the host in the list configuration, and also add 
the new domain to mm_cfg.py.  Apart from running bin/fix_url.py, do I need 
to do anything else?  Can I run gen_aliases to fix the aliases (using 
Postfix) or is it better to change them by hand?


Cheers,
Geoff.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Possible Bug in 2.1.13 sync_members

2010-02-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Finkel wrote:

I think I may have uncovered a bug in Mailman 2.1.13.  I have not
completed my research.  I have a script that refreshes the subscriber
list via:

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/sync_members -w=no -g=no -d=no -a=no \
 -f /etc/mailman/generated_lists/LISTNAME LISTNAME

where

 /etc/mailman/generated_lists/LISTNAME

is a file that contains a possibly updated mailing list.  In that file
there is a line:

 ssm...@example.com(XYZ, 012345, Smith, S.A. (Sam))

and after I run the sync_members, every line below this one is
ignored; the e-mail addresses in those lines are unsubscribed from
the list.  This has happened with two lists since I installed
Mailman 2.1.13 (replacing 2.1.11 - I never installed 2.1.12 in
production).  The third list that contains this e-mail address has
a different format:

 ssm...@example.com(Smith, S.A. (Sam)  :012345)

and that list has no problems.  I have not yet checked for changes in
the sync_members source from 2.1.11 to 2.1.12 to 2.1.13.


There are no changes in sync_members. What has changed is in 2.1.11,
Mailman used its own email package (version 2.5.8) installed in
Mailman's pythonlib directory. Beginning with 2.1.12, Mailman uses the
email package of the installed Python which depends on version.

The difference is almost certainly in email.Utils.getaddresses() which
is used to parse the lines of the input into 'address' and 'display
name + comment' parts.

I think the problem is that the addresses

ssm...@example.com(XYZ, 012345, Smith, S.A. (Sam))

and

ssm...@example.com(Smith, S.A. (Sam)  :012345)

contain comments within comments and email.Utils.parseaddr() used by
email.Utils.getaddresses() can be confused by this. However, email
4.0.1 which is in most recent Python versions parses those into

name: 'XYZ, 012345, Smith, S.A. Sam', address: 'ssm...@example.com'

and

name: 'Smith, S.A. Sam  :012345', address: 'ssm...@example.com'

respectively, so that should be OK. Also email 3.0+ from python 2.4.2
gives the same result.

In any case, I am surprised at the result. If sync_members finds any
member addresses in the input file that appear invalid, it reports
these and quits before doing anything to the list, and if it throws an
exception while updating the list, it quits without saving the updated
list.

What's in Mailman's error log? What's in the output from sync_members?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving a list from one domain to another

2010-02-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Geoff Shang wrote:

I realise this is probably a FAQ, but I couldn't find anything specificly 
about this in the FAQ.

I need to move a list from one domain to another.  The domains are both 
hosted on the same machine so there's no need to *physically* move 
anything.

I figure I don't need to worry about the multiple domain restrictions, as 
I don't expect there to be name clashes (I admin all the lists and the 
server).

I figure I have to change the host in the list configuration, and also add 
the new domain to mm_cfg.py.  Apart from running bin/fix_url.py, do I need 
to do anything else?  Can I run gen_aliases to fix the aliases (using 
Postfix) or is it better to change them by hand?


You need

add_virtualhost('new.web.domain', 'new.email.domain')

in mm_cfg.py if it's not already there

Then you need to run

 bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname -u new.web.domain

That moves the list.

For Postfix, it depends on whether new.web.domain is virtual or local
and likewise the old domain.

If both old and new domains are local, you don't need to do anything
more.

If either old or new domain is virtual:
if new domain is virtual:
make sure new.email.domain is in POSTFIX_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
in mm_cfg.py
if you don't already have data/virtual-mailman in Postfix's
virtual_alias_maps:
add it
if you don't already have new.mail.domain in Postfix's
virtual_alias_domains:
add it
run bin/genaliases

(the above is intended to be Pythonic pseudo code)

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